Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 On 2010-08-02 4:18 PM, silverfox_science <poast@...> wrote: > The most effective way to activate sodium chlorite using citric acid > depends upon the concentration of the citric acid. > > When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% > citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. Hi Tom, Doesn't this depend on the concentration of the sodium chlorite? Meaning, if you're using MMS1 (28%, aka 22.5% sodium chlorite), wouldn't the amount of citric acid be different than if you are using MMS5 (5% sodium chlorite)? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 On 2010-08-02 4:49 PM, silverfox_science <poast@...> wrote: > I thought that would be the case too, but when discussing this with > the people that provide the products used in industry, they told me > no. The ratio is good for all strengths of sodium chlorite. Interesting, and good to know - thanks... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 , what Tom wrote was correct. When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10% citric acid has a PH of about 2.2. 5% sodium chlorite has a PH of about 11.4. When you mix these together in equal amounts, the PH ends up at around 3. When sodium chlorite has its PH lowered to 3, about 10% of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine dioxide. The other 90% is held in the chlorous acid and can be released as needed to keep the chemistry balanced. Adding more acid (as the MMS protocol does) releases a little more free chlorine dioxide, but it also adds unreacted chemicals to the solution that basically pollute it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most effective solutions that contain the least amounts of impurities are made using a 1:10 ratio when using citric acid crystals. That is 1 part citric acid crystals to 10 parts sodium chlorite. If you use 50% citric acid the ratio changes to 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. If you use 10% citric acid the ratio changes to 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Andy, The most effective activation of sodium chlorite using 10% citric acid is to use a 1:1 ratio and let the activation continue for 10 minutes. This was tested and developed by the industries that use this technology. I ran some tests on this and found that the 1:1 ratio yields a solution with about 30% more oxidation power than the solution mixed according to the MMS protocol. It appears that the excess citric acid pollutes the solution, and the quick reaction produced by the addition of the extra acid allows more of the chlorine dioxide to escape into the air leaving less in the solution. In the food processing industry, these solutions are mixed up in a way that results in a clear, but still very powerful, solution. There is very little free chlorine dioxide produced during mixing. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 ok thanks .Fuzzy brain today! Wilkins From: palulukon <palulukon@...>Subject: RE: [ ] Re: 1:1 activator Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 5:48 PM , what Tom wrote was correct. When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>> 10% citric acid has a PH of about 2.2. 5% sodium chlorite has a PH of about 11.4. When you mix these together in equal amounts, the PH ends up at around 3. When sodium chlorite has its PH lowered to 3, about 10% of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine dioxide. The other 90% is held in the chlorous acid and can be released as needed to keep the chemistry balanced. Adding more acid (as the MMS protocol does) releases a little more free chlorine dioxide, but it also adds unreacted chemicals to the solution that basically pollute it. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> The most effective solutions that contain the least amounts of impurities are made using a 1:10 ratio when using citric acid crystals. That is 1 part citric acid crystals to 10 parts sodium chlorite. If you use 50% citric acid the ratio changes to 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. If you use 10% citric acid the ratio changes to 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Hello Andy, The most effective activation of sodium chlorite using 10% citric acid is to use a 1:1 ratio and let the activation continue for 10 minutes. This was tested and developed by the industries that use this technology. I ran some tests on this and found that the 1:1 ratio yields a solution with about 30% more oxidation power than the solution mixed according to the MMS protocol. It appears that the excess citric acid pollutes the solution, and the quick reaction produced by the addition of the extra acid allows more of the chlorine dioxide to escape into the air leaving less in the solution. In the food processing industry, these solutions are mixed up in a way that results in a clear, but still very powerful, solution. There is very little free chlorine dioxide produced during mixing. Tom Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I am totally confused now! This sounds the wrong way round! dee On 3 Aug 2010, at 00:55, healinghope wrote: > activation 10% citric acid/ 5 drops mms 1 drop citric acid wait 3 min. > activation 50% citric acid/ 1 drop mms 1 drop citric acid wait 20 sec. > > >>> When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to >>> 1 part sodium chlorite. >>> >>> When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to >>> 5 parts sodium chlorite. >>> >>> >>> IN NC >>> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 of course your are, healinghope is contradicting itself (or maybe he has different protocols); standard is this (healinghope posted it below)50% citric acid 1 to 110% citric acid 5 to 1It's quite easy imo; this is in case you need to follow the standard protocols which has of course some critics > activation 10% citric acid/ 5 drops mms 1 drop citric acid wait 3 min. > activation 50% citric acid/ 1 drop mms 1 drop citric acid wait 20 sec. > > >>> When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to >>> 1 part sodium chlorite. >>> >>> When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to >>> 5 parts sodium chlorite. >>> >>> >>> IN NC >>> >> > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 On 2010-08-02 5:01 PM, laura <montemomma2002@...> wrote: > , That WAS rude. No, it wasn't - direct, yes, but definitely not rude (look up the definition). > Just explain how to make your own 1;1 citric acid from powder. We > arent all technical geniuses.Remember sometimes the very illnesses > that bring people here also cause brain fog .For some of us we need > it spelled out. You have so much good info to share and I apreciate > your willingness to do so , but if you come off as a jerk people will > discount what you say and miss the good stuff. You seem to be forgetting - MMS *can* be *dangerous*. Just like working with 35% H2O2 - one slip of a decimal point is all it takes to wind up in the hospital, or worse. A minimal amount of brain power is required to self-treat when dealing with chemicals like this, and if someone is so incapacitated by illness that they are unable to do this for themselves, then they should either find someone to help them, or limit themselves to safer therapies until they are capable. Oh - and in case you hadn't noticed, I don't really care if people think I'm a jerk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 I think you are right--I am just going to follow what it says on the bottles. I just didn't want to cause harm to my dog (and myself) so I thought I ought to clarify. So the 10% means I put in 5 to 1 as Jim Humble says, not the other way around. Thanks. dee On 3 Aug 2010, at 10:27, fiordean dacian wrote: > > > of course your are, healinghope is contradicting itself (or maybe he has different protocols); standard is this (healinghope posted it below) > > 50% citric acid 1 to 1 > > 10% citric acid 5 to 1 > > It's quite easy imo; this is in case you need to follow the standard protocols which has of course some critics > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 4, 2010 Report Share Posted August 4, 2010 Yes I DO realise this--which is why I wanted to be perfectly clear about it. To someone who has not dealt with this substance before - and given the difficulty presented by the email platform - it is not so easy to grasp things straight away always. And for your information I make my own peroxide handling 35% perfectly well - and have been for some time. And thank you for inferring that I am mentally challenged in some way--you sound such a nice person--not that you care as you have said already. dee On 3 Aug 2010, at 12:56, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2010-08-02 5:01 PM, laura <montemomma2002@...> wrote: >> , That WAS rude. > > No, it wasn't - direct, yes, but definitely not rude (look up the > definition). > >> > > You seem to be forgetting - MMS *can* be *dangerous*. Just like working > with 35% H2O2 - one slip of a decimal point is all it takes to wind up > in the hospital, or worse. > > A minimal amount of brain power is required to self-treat when dealing > with chemicals like this, and if someone is so incapacitated by illness > that they are unable to do this for themselves, then they should either > find someone to help them, or limit themselves to safer therapies until > they are capable. > > Oh - and in case you hadn't noticed, I don't really care if people think > I'm a jerk. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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