Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 On 2010-08-02 8:37 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...> wrote: > Hi all, I just found a site that sells a new 1:1 citric acid. The > blurb reads that this replaces the old 5.1 10% citric acid. Is this > correct? Yes, its just 50% citric acid... 10% citric acid, 50% citric acid, 22.5% sodium chlorite, 5% sodium chlorite - you can easily make all of these yourself. And while I know I'll probably get accused of being mean and insensitive for saying this, I would even argue that if you are incapable of the simple math/logical thought required to do so, you really shouldn't be using this stuff. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Well that's what you might call straight talking--or some might say rude! Remind me not to ask you anything else again! dee On 2 Aug 2010, at 14:17, Tanstaafl wrote: > On 2010-08-02 8:37 AM, Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...> wrote: >> Hi all, I just found a site that sells a new 1:1 citric acid. The >> blurb reads that this replaces the old 5.1 10% citric acid. Is this >> correct? > > Yes, its just 50% citric acid... > > 10% citric acid, 50% citric acid, 22.5% sodium chlorite, 5% sodium > chlorite - you can easily make all of these yourself. And while I know > I'll probably get accused of being mean and insensitive for saying this, > I would even argue that if you are incapable of the simple math/logical > thought required to do so, you really shouldn't be using this stuff. > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Hello Dee, The most effective way to activate sodium chlorite using citric acid depends upon the concentration of the citric acid. When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. When using citric acid crystals, the ratio is 1:10. That is 1 part citric acid crystals to 10 parts sodium chlorite. It appears that Jim Humble ran some tests and based his recommendations upon the color change of the solution. Industry could care less about color change. They want something that proves to be effective. That is where the most effective ratios come from. Jim Humble noticed that his target color could be achieved using 50% citric acid in a 1:1 ratio, so that became part of the MMS protocol. That recommendation is still flawed and produces a solution that has excess citric acid in it polluting the effectiveness of the solution. On a side note, the extra citric acid used when following the flawed MMS protocol also adds to the awful taste of the solution. Tom --- In , Dorothy Fitzpatrick <dee@...> wrote: > > Hi all, I just found a site that sells a new 1:1 citric acid. The blurb reads that this replaces the old 5.1 10% citric acid. Is this correct? This is the site: www.projectgreenlife.com/cart/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=122 & idcategory=#details dee > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Hello Tanstaafl, I thought that would be the case too, but when discussing this with the people that provide the products used in industry, they told me no. The ratio is good for all strengths of sodium chlorite. Knowing that they supply mostly lower concentrations of sodium chlorite I pressed further and found out that they also supply powder that allows the end user to mix up their own strength of sodium chlorite. They insist that the ratio still applies. In the testing that I have done, I find that the industrial activation ratio seems to be very effective. However, when activating sodium chlorite solutions of 1% or lower, things go a little strange. The same thing happens when using sodium chlorite concentrations above 30%, but I think that is due to the instability of the sodium chlorite at that concentration. It may be that the ratio is optimized for sodium chlorite solutions in the 2 - 5% range, but it does seem to be effective over a much wider range. Tom > > The most effective way to activate sodium chlorite using citric acid > > depends upon the concentration of the citric acid. > > > > When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% > > citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. > > Hi Tom, > > Doesn't this depend on the concentration of the sodium chlorite? > > Meaning, if you're using MMS1 (28%, aka 22.5% sodium chlorite), wouldn't > the amount of citric acid be different than if you are using MMS5 (5% > sodium chlorite)? > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 , That WAS rude. Just explain how to make your own 1;1 citric acid from powder. We arent all technical geniuses.Remember sometimes the very illnesses that bring people here also cause brain fog .For some of us we need it spelled out. You have so much good info to share and I apreciate your willingness to do so , but if you come off as a jerk people will discount what you say and miss the good stuff. IN NC > >> Hi all, I just found a site that sells a new 1:1 citric acid. The > >> blurb reads that this replaces the old 5.1 10% citric acid. Is this > >> correct? > > > > Yes, its just 50% citric acid... > > > > 10% citric acid, 50% citric acid, 22.5% sodium chlorite, 5% sodium > > chlorite - you can easily make all of these yourself. And while I know > > I'll probably get accused of being mean and insensitive for saying this, > > I would even argue that if you are incapable of the simple math/logical > > thought required to do so, you really shouldn't be using this stuff. > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Tom , Did you write this backwards? I thought it was 1:1 with 50 % citric acid and 1:5 with 10%citric You wrote: When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to 1 part sodium chlorite. When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to 5 parts sodium chlorite. IN NC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 Hello , Nope, that is correct. Keep in mind that we are discussing the flawed MMS activation with the very effective industrial activation. What I posted is used very effectively in industry. When you follow the MMS protocol for activation you end up with a less effective solution that is polluted with too much citric acid. Tom > When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to > 1 part sodium chlorite. > > When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to > 5 parts sodium chlorite. > > > IN NC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 50% citric acid 1 to 1/ 10% citric acid 5 to 1. > When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to > 1 part sodium chlorite. > > When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to > 5 parts sodium chlorite. > > > IN NC > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted August 3, 2010 Report Share Posted August 3, 2010 activation 10% citric acid/ 1 drop mms/ 5 drop citric acid wait 3 min. activation 50% citric acid/ 1 drop mms/ 1 drop citric acid wait 20 sec. > > When using 10% citric acid, the ratio is 1:1. That is 1 part 10% citric acid to > > 1 part sodium chlorite. > > > > When using 50% citric acid, the ratio is 1:5. That is 1 part 50% citric acid to > > 5 parts sodium chlorite. > > > > > > IN NC > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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