Re: @ Alvin

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Oh boy... we can't just help ourselves, right? here it goes again...palulkon, while we can't check Jim Humble's claims of that rate of success and thousands of cases of HIV/cancer etc. treated in Africa, how can we check that in the West? The truth is WE (the people posting here) can't! Can anyone claim the opposite? How could we check? More, not a single personal experience anyone posts here can't be checked. So while most people are sincere and what they share as their experiences can be true, the state of thing is we can't actually check that.rose"Tom

(silverfox_science) appears to be the mother of all pharma trolls when it

comes to mms since he has posts all over the net critical of Jim.

Based on his posts, I am convinced Transtaafl is another troll."Just to complete the picture, I'm a troll and a thread hijacker too; I was being informed about it recently, I wasn't aware :)"Tom is the

source of the claim that mms can cause oxidative stress and harm the biofilm of

the gut."You know for sure this documentary with s Kalcker (if not play it)http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HLEEFLCefnMIn his talk with the guy making the interview, s mentions two things related to your statement above: 1) you should never stress your body (he doesn't explicitely mentions OXIDATIVE word, but I'm personally convinced he means it; it's up to you to interpret it)2) the guy making the interview tests a dose of MMS (he's not shown taking it so we must take his word for it) but he mentions a weird feeling in the throat afterwards and s explains it's because of a side effect of MMS on biofilm.I'm not defending Tom or anyone else here, I'm just a naive beginner with MMS, but I wanted to bring this here so that you can see those issues were observed by other people too (except if Tom is same as s, we have at least 2 people aware of those issues).Now these things are

probably minor to the benefits of MMS, but in order to prove Tom wrong, I believe you have to come up with stronger arguments imho. Don't take badly what I'm saying, I just want, like you, that we come closer to the truth regarding how we can improve our health by using safe, efficent and affordable products like MMS.thanksFrom: palulukon <palulukon@...>Subject: [ ] @ Alvin Date: Monday, August 2, 2010, 2:44 AM

..So

that JIM Humble could defend himself. Afternoon Alvin, You did this so

you could keep stirring the pot. Jim said nothing in his reply that he

has not said dozens of times. You know what it

is Alvin, there are more than just a few not in third world countries, where we

cannot verify the thousands of healings, that have had trouble with the

protocols resulting in damage. When any of these concerns have been

brought up they are ignored,chalked up to user error or the long finger

pointing of pharma whore is pointed. We have not found in civilized

countries that it cures 97% of all disease and that it is harmless. Interesting

that the ‘proof’ rest for the most part in countries where we

cannot verify the information. Over at ’s

group liberties are taken to cross post entire threads from here including email

addy’s…I think that is bad netediquette but could probably

be more precise J tries to

get members here to ‘innocently’ inquire as to Tom’s

credentials. Hi Okie and welcome

to the group! I have wondered about

Tom's credentials myself, just haven't brought it up yet. They view me as

the enemy over there. But I think if you just ask respectfully you

shouldn't get attacked. You could address it to him and say I've heard

people refer to you as a 'scientist' or 'chemist' and I was wondering if you

wouldn't mind sharing what educational and professional credentials you might

have bearing on the questions you answer here. Maybe others would be

interested in hearing as well. Daddybob’s

heart problems from taking MMS are brushed off “The other claim

presented below is that mms can damage the heart. The source of this is

daddybob, one of the owners of that group. Daddybob did say he thought

mms was harming his heart, but he gave no facts backing up his

conclusion. I would like to know what facts/experiences he bases this

claim on. “ Ambivalence

toward Jim runs right to the top over there because Daddybob, one of the

owners, claims mms hurt his heart, but he never mentioned any of the facts

that led him to that conclusion. I would like to know more. It is

quite possible he did not understand healing reactions. In your own

words…but you did not unsub…so why are you really still here? How do you

unsubscribe from that list..I do not see any instructions for it in the Messages You can depend on Jim

Humbles experiences and protocols as I don't think anyone has been

harmed by MMS comments on Tom

and … The hidden agenda is

only Tom and Tanstaafl who are pushing it like typical bullies to the

exclusions of alternative views. The rest of them could probably be

tolerant and considerate without the influence of these bullies/trolls. Tom

(silverfox_science) appears to be the mother of all pharma trolls when it

comes to mms since he has posts all over the net critical of Jim.

Based on his posts, I am convinced Transtaafl is another troll. He and

Tom are aware of each other and act in tandem. Whenever these guys are

helpful, it is just window dressing to get us to trust them. Tom is the

source of the claim that mms can cause oxidative stress and harm the biofilm of

the gut. Tom gives no scientific authority or personal experiences to

back up his unsubstantiated speculations, he wants us to believe him because he

poses as a scientist. I think he may have some industry experience but

you cannot trust what he says because he has a hidden agenda. I

confronted him openly on that group and said he was a pharma troll and he won't

even deny it. When you falsely accuse innocent people, they protest

loudly and proclaim their innocence, but not Tom. He acts like a

president or politician caught red-handed when they then pretend to

be above having to respond. Then you all

talk about joining Jim’s church. All the while

ppl here are trying to find the safest dosage for a particular situation and

just because we are interested in the chemistry of it which does not jive with

Jim’s chemistry you come here and try stirring things up again. There

are many of us not just here, but on the original MMS list that are exploring

ways of usage that we feel is safer. It is that simple. There are

those of us here that do not think Jim’s protocols are advisable…it

is that simple. On your other list you scoff at biofilm damage but some

of us here take it to be of importance. Many of us here also take

oxidation as a concern. Leave us to our explorations. Jim doesn’t

have to defend himself…he’s a big boy. This is childish.

This is disruptive. If Jim had addressed the concerns of ppl who did not

respond favorably to his protocols or where damage ensued it never would have

gone this far. Ppl have been told his protocols are harmless. Ppl

have been told it will cure 97% of ALL disease. Some of us here take

issue with these statements. As in any good

religion the faithful are told to take things as it is explained to them and

not ask questions. Alvin, you don’t

care about the members here that have real questions, you don’t care that

we are wanting to know the chemistry from another viewpoint. You don’t

care that members have had adverse reactions to taking SC or ASC as per Jim’s

instructions. You just want to make trouble, then report back to , Deb

and the rest while you devise more schemes. All of this smacks

of a true religious following. So get your Minister of Health at the

Genesis 2 church, follow your Bishop. But don’t cross post from

this list without permission, don’t cross post our email addy’s

without permission and quite trying to stir up trouble and diffuse the issues

here where ppl here asking real questions and have doubts as to the safely of Jim’s

protocols. Now, how does it

feel to have your post show up other than where you intended? rose

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On 2010-08-01 7:44 PM, palulukon <palulukon@...> wrote:

> You did this so you could keep stirring the pot. Jim said nothing in

> his reply that he has not said dozens of times.

I agree.

Alvin, there is nothing to be gained by continuing this. Jim has already

demonstrated himself to be either incompetent or a liar during your last

exchange of posts when, in response to one of Toms comments, he said

that he never claimed to do a bunch of testing, when he plainly stated

he did *in writing* in one of his books (forget which one, but Tom

spelled it out).

So, please, just let it go.

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Hi Tanstaafl

You are going to have to listen to two sides of the story.

I used to see you as very fair minded but it looks like you have

turned the other way..You used to be the information center on this

list but it seems that that has changed..You have your opinion and I have

mine..If you don't like what I say just use your delete button..It works

Fredom of expression is the backbone of the american democracy.

I presented the information if it is right or wrong..If you don't like it, that is too bad

It is a difference of opinion..

Re: [ ] @ Alvin

On 2010-08-01 7:44 PM, palulukon <palulukon@...> wrote:> You did this so you could keep stirring the pot. Jim said nothing in> his reply that he has not said dozens of times.I agree.Alvin, there is nothing to be gained by continuing this. Jim has alreadydemonstrated himself to be either incompetent or a liar during your lastexchange of posts when, in response to one of Toms comments, he saidthat he never claimed to do a bunch of testing, when he plainly statedhe did *in writing* in one of his books (forget which one, but Tomspelled it out).So, please, just let it go.