Re: Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers

[Guest guest]

Rose What is happening right now with MMS is nothing new

>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

Yes Marie, I am well aware of the many raids of the FDA going on for

decades. What I said was SC was sold without incident, has been part of

oral hygiene products for a long time, water and food industry and animal

use (poultry farms etc) It was under the radar. Anyone could call suppliers

of flake and obtain a 55 gallon drum no problem at minimal cost. We did not

start having issues getting SC in flake till Jim started his wild claims.

Now a product that has been in use in ag, livestock and dental is at risk

because of one man...ONE MAN who just had to have his 15 min of fame, make

outrageous claims and constantly flip a finger in the face of the FDA, from

the safety of another country. He made a real mess for everyone here and

that is the bottom line. Just goes to show you how much damage an

egotistical greedy little twerp can do. Then again money has repeatedly

been shown to be a powerful incentive. Save the world...BULL. Jim is the

same conniving con man he was in Nevada selling mining equipment. I know

someone who knew him way back then...

rose

[Guest guest]

I do not buy a bit of what you just said, prove it! Show me any legal

documentation showing Jim Humble is the thieve and crook you portray. Because of

this discovery you think all the " good uses " will be under radar? That right

there should tell you what a joke this whole thing with the FDA is.

--- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...>

wrote:

>

> Rose What is happening right now with MMS is nothing new

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Yes Marie, I am well aware of the many raids of the FDA going on for

> decades. What I said was SC was sold without incident, has been part of

> oral hygiene products for a long time, water and food industry and animal

> use (poultry farms etc) It was under the radar. Anyone could call suppliers

> of flake and obtain a 55 gallon drum no problem at minimal cost. We did not

> start having issues getting SC in flake till Jim started his wild claims.

>

> Now a product that has been in use in ag, livestock and dental is at risk

> because of one man...ONE MAN who just had to have his 15 min of fame, make

> outrageous claims and constantly flip a finger in the face of the FDA, from

> the safety of another country. He made a real mess for everyone here and

> that is the bottom line. Just goes to show you how much damage an

> egotistical greedy little twerp can do. Then again money has repeatedly

> been shown to be a powerful incentive. Save the world...BULL. Jim is the

> same conniving con man he was in Nevada selling mining equipment. I know

> someone who knew him way back then...

>

> rose

>

[Guest guest]

On 2010-08-18 4:01 PM, healinghope <mfrreman@...> wrote:

> I do not buy a bit of what you just said, prove it! Show me any legal

> documentation showing Jim Humble is the thieve and crook you portray.

> Because of this discovery you think all the " good uses " will be under

> radar? That right there should tell you what a joke this whole thing

> with the FDA is.

The one (Jim possibly being a simple crook in sheeps clothing) has

nothing to do with the other (FDA being just an enforcement arm of the

PharmaWhores).

[Guest guest]

I do not buy a bit of what you just said, prove it! Show

me any legal documentation showing Jim Humble is the thieve and crook you

portray.

I don't have to prove anything Marie...i am stating my

opinion based on what I know from various sources and certainly it is personal

opinion but I'm sticking to it. And just to be clear I never asked you to

'buy it'. How is it ole Jim can make one claim after another but if we

ask for proof we are being disloyal, ungrateful or pharma trolls? But if

one of us expresses opinions we are asked for proof. Why Oakie is

trolling curezone still trying to find out Tom’s credentials.

Let’s see…Jim’s proof is they say

they feel better, they look better=proof.

We say looks kinda shakey, looks kinda like a con,

walks kinda like a con, talks kinda like a con and we get hit with prove it in

writing.

Double standards can be soooooooo much fun eh?

Because of this discovery you think all the " good

uses " will be under radar? That right there should tell you what a joke

this whole thing with the FDA is.

Nope, don't think the good uses will escape...never

said I did (how in the world did you make that deduction from what I said?).

Now that the FDA is involved it is a wait and see how many more industries will

be effected.

Thanks Jim, thanks for nothing...

rose

[Guest guest]

MMS may be great for some people, it may be harmful to some people.

Jim Humble is pushing it, but he's the one making it and profiting from it. It

was helpful for me for several months, then it made me

sicker than my original condition.

I think one needs outside research: outside of Jim Humble.

Judith

--- In , " palulukon " <palulukon@...>

wrote:

>

> Rose What is happening right now with MMS is nothing new

>

> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

>

> Yes Marie, I am well aware of the many raids of the FDA going on for

> decades. What I said was SC was sold without incident, has been part of

> oral hygiene products for a long time, water and food industry and animal

> use (poultry farms etc) It was under the radar. Anyone could call suppliers

> of flake and obtain a 55 gallon drum no problem at minimal cost. We did not

> start having issues getting SC in flake till Jim started his wild claims.

>

> Now a product that has been in use in ag, livestock and dental is at risk

> because of one man...ONE MAN who just had to have his 15 min of fame, make

> outrageous claims and constantly flip a finger in the face of the FDA, from

> the safety of another country. He made a real mess for everyone here and

> that is the bottom line. Just goes to show you how much damage an

> egotistical greedy little twerp can do. Then again money has repeatedly

> been shown to be a powerful incentive. Save the world...BULL. Jim is the

> same conniving con man he was in Nevada selling mining equipment. I know

> someone who knew him way back then...

>

> rose

>

[Guest guest]

You are mistaken. Jim Humble doesnt make and sell MMS. He sells his books and pushes MMS because he believes it is beneficial to humanity. Many people have the belief they are here on tis earth to accomplish some "mission" for the good of humanity.I think MMS is his mission.From what I have read and heard from him via interviews , Its not about money to him.If what was said in his book about where the money from book sales goes is true, he spends most of it on teaching and healing .

I am so very greatful to Jim Humble for bringng the use of MMS to the world.But I dont like to see Jim deified as having the only true way to use MMS. I know since we are all different there has to be individual tweeking and experimentation. There is no way I can take the large doses he recomends, I think because of my stomach surgeries. I have stomach aches after 6 drops,And I was happy to read of Toms alternative ways to utilize MMS.Jim Humble himself has adjusted his protocol since he wrote his first edition,

I doubt Jim will ever totally agree with Tom, They've had a few rounds of communications and my observation is human pride or stubbornness colors the acceptance of the new ideas. They both Know they are right.So I use my judgement about what works for me .

I do think Jim loses some of hi credibility when he claims such large "cure" rates.Maybe he has that rate with the Malaria.I havent seen it with mst diseases .I Have heard of many cures and much progress made toward restoring health just not quite so high as his claim. Nevertheless MMS is another fantastic tool in the arsenal of our quest for health.

I will use it to fight infections internal and external , disinfect germs on tables and counters and floors, to fight mildew, treat pets, purify water if necessary and more.I wll not close my self off from potential new uses because its not like Jim would use it.I wont take it internally unless I am fighting an infection.I dont believe taking it for an extended time is wise. I will use it conservativly, and I will make sure to supplement with good vitamins and minerals to replace what MMS oxidizes and to give my body what it needs to rebuild my health after using MMS. My advice to others is... if you choose to use MMS , get an education on the subject.

Wilkins

From: judith660 <gold4k@...>Subject: [ ] Re: Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers Date: Wednesday, August 18, 2010, 10:02 PM

MMS may be great for some people, it may be harmful to some people.Jim Humble is pushing it, but he's the one making it and profiting from it. It was helpful for me for several months, then it made mesicker than my original condition.I think one needs outside research: outside of Jim Humble.Judith>> Rose What is happening right now with MMS is nothing new> > >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> > Yes Marie, I am well aware of the many raids of the FDA going on for> decades. What I said was SC was sold without incident, has been part of> oral

hygiene products for a long time, water and food industry and animal> use (poultry farms etc) It was under the radar. Anyone could call suppliers> of flake and obtain a 55 gallon drum no problem at minimal cost. We did not> start having issues getting SC in flake till Jim started his wild claims. > > Now a product that has been in use in ag, livestock and dental is at risk> because of one man...ONE MAN who just had to have his 15 min of fame, make> outrageous claims and constantly flip a finger in the face of the FDA, from> the safety of another country. He made a real mess for everyone here and> that is the bottom line. Just goes to show you how much damage an> egotistical greedy little twerp can do. Then again money has repeatedly> been shown to be a powerful incentive. Save the world...BULL. Jim is the> same conniving con man he was in Nevada selling mining equipment.

I know> someone who knew him way back then...> > rose>

[Guest guest]

As a seller of MMS, and mostly a lurker here, we get feedback from time to time

from our customers. For some things MMS is just amazing, but I am dismayed when

I see claims of 94% or even 97% 'cure'. That's just patently untrue. I would

be much happier if the product Champion(s) would say something like " generally

pro-oxidants aren't desirable, but they can be incredibly effective in many

cases for the short term (i.e. if the thing that you want to treat, if left

untreated, would kill you many years before the pro-oxidants would). Either

way, a good anti-oxidant protocol would be a useful addition whether on an MMS

protocol or not. " (obviously not taking them at the same time).

My personal view of MMS is that it acts as a great *very* wide spectrum

antibiotic/antiviral/antifungal. It's something I personally use to treat many

things, as have quite a few of my friends, but unless the condition demands

chronic use, it should probably be kept on hand for when it's needed, and use

other things for the daily up keep.

--- In , " judith660 " <gold4k@...>

wrote:

>

> MMS may be great for some people, it may be harmful to some people.

[Guest guest]

" generally pro-oxidants aren't desirable, but they can be incredibly

effective in many cases for the short term

My personal view of MMS is that it acts as a great *very* wide spectrum

antibiotic/antiviral/antifungal. It's something I personally use to treat

many things, as have quite a few of my friends, but unless the condition

demands chronic use, it should probably be kept on hand for when it's

needed, and use other things for the daily up keep.

, thank you very much for this feedback. I appreciate hearing real life

stories of how this is working or not. this coincides with what I have

found so far. Using Tom's figures, re ppm's to kill specific pathogens, I

can see why as a broad spectrum it worked sometimes and sometimes not.

THANK YOU

rose

[Guest guest]

So now that the FDA has banned the sale of MMS where should interested parties purchase this chemical? Does anyone know about any alternative sources?ThanksFrom: shiver121 <pmbond@...> Sent: Thu, August 19, 2010 8:15:49 AMSubject: [ ] Re: Tyranny in the USA: The true history of FDA raids on healers

As a seller of MMS, and mostly a lurker here, we get feedback from time to time from our customers. For some things MMS is just amazing, but I am dismayed when I see claims of 94% or even 97% 'cure'. That's just patently untrue. I would be much happier if the product Champion(s) would say something like "generally pro-oxidants aren't desirable, but they can be incredibly effective in many cases for the short term (i.e. if the thing that you want to treat, if left untreated, would kill you many years before the pro-oxidants would). Either way, a good anti-oxidant protocol would be a useful addition whether on an MMS protocol or not." (obviously not taking them at the same time).

My personal view of MMS is that it acts as a great *very* wide spectrum antibiotic/antiviral/antifungal. It's something I personally use to treat many things, as have quite a few of my friends, but unless the condition demands chronic use, it should probably be kept on hand for when it's needed, and use other things for the daily up keep.

>

> MMS may be great for some people, it may be harmful to some people.

[Guest guest]

Fortunately it is not banned ....yet.You still have time to stock up. the

crystals are said to last 30 years.

IN NC

> >

> > MMS may be great for some people, it may be harmful to some people.

>

[Guest guest]

--- In , " shiver121 " <pmbond@...>

wrote:

>

> As a seller of MMS, and mostly a lurker here, we get feedback from time to

time from our customers. For some things MMS is just amazing, but I am dismayed

when I see claims of 94% or even 97% 'cure'. That's just patently untrue.

And that, more than anyhing else, is what is going to get him into trouble, imo.

Can't use the 'c' word. And then to add the '97%' is just asking for trouble.

Both are a stretch of the truth, imo. Should choose his wording better

something like, 'has helped many conditions to the point where they can return

to work or regain their life'. That would be more truthful I think. fwiw, gail

[Guest guest]

It's still used and

sold to purify water. Google "chlorine dioxide", it's all over

the place. You're looking for 80% crystals. They banned MMS

because of the claims made, not Chlorine Dioxide. Same with

Colloidal Silver so just buy or make a CS generator.

Bill

On 8/19/2010 7:03 AM, Roman wrote:

So

now that the FDA has banned the sale of MMS where should

interested parties purchase this chemical?

Does anyone know about any alternative

sources?

Thanks

[Guest guest]

I think right now you can still buy both.

http://sodium-chlorite-supplier.com/order.html

> >

> >

> > So now that the FDA has banned the sale of MMS where should interested

> > parties purchase this chemical?

> > Does anyone know about any alternative sources?

> > Thanks

> > ------------------------------------------------------------------------

> > **

>

[Guest guest]

Yes but what he did was level the playing field for big pharma by being a little

guy and offering an alternative to their toxic treatments. And his did it using

the internet just like what has happened with the legal profession, the music

industry, the newspaper industry and the publishing industry. Each and every one

of these industries now has to compete with everyone. It has leveled the field

and of course they don't like it but they can't stop it. And Jim Humble is on

the cutting edge with what he is doing. He is a brillant man and deserves my

respect, something I don't have for main stream medicine or big pharma.

Sharon

> > You are mistaken. Jim Humble doesn't make and sell MMS. He sells his

> > books

>

> And expensive 'training' sessions through a very questionable 'church'

> organization, and receives donations through the same to unknown bank

> accounts...

>

> Make no mistake, he is making money on MMS - possibly big money.

>

> I do not personally consider this bad in and of itself... and besides,

> it is all purely speculation, since no one but Jim knows his true

> motives with any certainty.

>

[Guest guest]

On 2010-08-23 9:53 PM, shha2002 <shha2002@...> wrote:

> And Jim Humble is on the cutting edge with what he is doing. He is a

> brillant man

I have seen absolutely zero evidence supporting the claim that 'he is a

brilliant man'...

Shrewd, maybe, but certainly not 'brilliant'...