Re: TOM! Please learn to use your RIGHT BRAIN!!regards the Q :1 PPM

August 28, 2010

Hello GB,

Did you read the article by Jim Humble that Healinghope posted?

" On the other hand, solutions of 0.1 to 1-ppm seem to induce a spectacular

immune response reaction attacking anaerobic bacterium, viruses, parasites,

fungus, harmful molds, yeasts and other pathogens. "

I am interested in this " spectacular immune response reaction " and want to know

how may drops are needed to make a 1 PPM solution.

Here Jim Humble again refers to the 1 PPM concentration.

" The acid such as vinegar or citric acid often used in soft drinks reduces the

solution to an acid condition but still within a food range which releases up to

1 ppm chlorine dioxide,... "

Did you notice the " UP TO 1 PPM " comment?

The question still stands. How may drops of MMS do you use to make this 1 PPM

chlorine dioxide solution that is capable of producing the spectacular immune

response?

Tom

--- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@...>

wrote:

>

> Whenn I asked You how 2 gas as Hydrogen and oxigen gas put thogether to become

water:your answer was a question:You asked me :You do not know this?So I needed

to be shemful to I DO NOT KNOW this/but I do Know/

> Now this KNOWLEGAble member You asking what is 1 ppm.Anyone can buy a PPM

meter/as I do have all kind of meters to my researche and works.Because I am an

Energetic medicine researcher.

>

> iritating me :you trying everyones knowlege included JIm Humble.I can image

some people do not like Him because He do healing work in Africa,GB

>

August 28, 2010

I do not believe You do NOT know that.I think You are that smart if you do not

know then you know where to look for the answers,that is the true knowlege to

know where is the answer.anyways i will figure that out.I have the radionics

chemical classes to make the solutions to agricultura according dr REAMS and

other the best .actually see how smart You are:I did not read everybody on the 1

ppm solutions.GB tnx

>

> Hello GB,

>

> Did you read the article by Jim Humble that Healinghope posted?

>

> " On the other hand, solutions of 0.1 to 1-ppm seem to induce a spectacular

immune response reaction attacking anaerobic bacterium, viruses, parasites,

fungus, harmful molds, yeasts and other pathogens. "

>

> I am interested in this " spectacular immune response reaction " and want to

know how may drops are needed to make a 1 PPM solution.

>

> Here Jim Humble again refers to the 1 PPM concentration.

>

> " The acid such as vinegar or citric acid often used in soft drinks reduces the

solution to an acid condition but still within a food range which releases up to

1 ppm chlorine dioxide,... "

>

> Did you notice the " UP TO 1 PPM " comment?

>

> The question still stands. How may drops of MMS do you use to make this 1 PPM

chlorine dioxide solution that is capable of producing the spectacular immune

response?

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@>

wrote:

> >

> > Whenn I asked You how 2 gas as Hydrogen and oxigen gas put thogether to

become water:your answer was a question:You asked me :You do not know this?So I

needed to be shemful to I DO NOT KNOW this/but I do Know/

> > Now this KNOWLEGAble member You asking what is 1 ppm.Anyone can buy a PPM

meter/as I do have all kind of meters to my researche and works.Because I am an

Energetic medicine researcher.

> >

> > iritating me :you trying everyones knowlege included JIm Humble.I can image

some people do not like Him because He do healing work in Africa,GB

> >

>

August 28, 2010

Chlorine dioxide is a strong bactericide and virucide at concentrations as low

as 0.1 ppm. It will eliminate both planktonic and sessile bacteria; disinfect

surfaces; and rapidly destroy problematic biofilm. With minimal contact time, it

is highly effective against many pathogenic organisms including bacterial

spores, Legionella, Tuberculosis, MRSA, VRE, Listeria, Salmonella, amoebal

cysts, Giardia cysts, E. coli, and Cryptosporidium. Importantly, chlorine

dioxide also destroys biofilm so bacterial re-growth is significantly impeded.

http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-clo2

>

> Hello GB,

>

> Did you read the article by Jim Humble that Healinghope posted?

>

> " On the other hand, solutions of 0.1 to 1-ppm seem to induce a spectacular

immune response reaction attacking anaerobic bacterium, viruses, parasites,

fungus, harmful molds, yeasts and other pathogens. "

>

> I am interested in this " spectacular immune response reaction " and want to

know how may drops are needed to make a 1 PPM solution.

>

> Here Jim Humble again refers to the 1 PPM concentration.

>

> " The acid such as vinegar or citric acid often used in soft drinks reduces the

solution to an acid condition but still within a food range which releases up to

1 ppm chlorine dioxide,... "

>

> Did you notice the " UP TO 1 PPM " comment?

>

> The question still stands. How may drops of MMS do you use to make this 1 PPM

chlorine dioxide solution that is capable of producing the spectacular immune

response?

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@>

wrote:

> >

> > Whenn I asked You how 2 gas as Hydrogen and oxigen gas put thogether to

become water:your answer was a question:You asked me :You do not know this?So I

needed to be shemful to I DO NOT KNOW this/but I do Know/

> > Now this KNOWLEGAble member You asking what is 1 ppm.Anyone can buy a PPM

meter/as I do have all kind of meters to my researche and works.Because I am an

Energetic medicine researcher.

> >

> > iritating me :you trying everyones knowlege included JIm Humble.I can image

some people do not like Him because He do healing work in Africa,GB

> >

>

August 28, 2010

Tom!He do use many diff solutions As I do have I made up the 50% to use in

capsule because I can not stand the smell so now I put 4-4drops for that long I

able to hold my breath close the cup and needed to drink water before and water

after,so I do not smell I do not taste.So have many varieties and that mean many

PPM up to 1 PPM gb

> >

> > Hello GB,

> >

> > Did you read the article by Jim Humble that Healinghope posted?

> >

> > " On the other hand, solutions of 0.1 to 1-ppm seem to induce a spectacular

immune response reaction attacking anaerobic bacterium, viruses, parasites,

fungus, harmful molds, yeasts and other pathogens. "

> >

> > I am interested in this " spectacular immune response reaction " and want to

know how may drops are needed to make a 1 PPM solution.

> >

> > Here Jim Humble again refers to the 1 PPM concentration.

> >

> > " The acid such as vinegar or citric acid often used in soft drinks reduces

the solution to an acid condition but still within a food range which releases

up to 1 ppm chlorine dioxide,... "

> >

> > Did you notice the " UP TO 1 PPM " comment?

> >

> > The question still stands. How may drops of MMS do you use to make this 1

PPM chlorine dioxide solution that is capable of producing the spectacular

immune response?

> >

> > Tom

> >

> > --- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@>

wrote:

> > >

> > > Whenn I asked You how 2 gas as Hydrogen and oxigen gas put thogether to

become water:your answer was a question:You asked me :You do not know this?So I

needed to be shemful to I DO NOT KNOW this/but I do Know/

> > > Now this KNOWLEGAble member You asking what is 1 ppm.Anyone can buy a

PPM meter/as I do have all kind of meters to my researche and works.Because I am

an Energetic medicine researcher.

> > >

> > > iritating me :you trying everyones knowlege included JIm Humble.I can

image some people do not like Him because He do healing work in Africa,GB

> > >

> >

>

August 28, 2010

http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-clo2 Highly effective disinfectantMicrobial infection is responsible for thousands of deaths and many more illnesses across the world each year. Frequent outbreaks of disease have been linked to food handling and processing (Listeria, Salmonella, Shigella, and E. Coli), drinking water (Giardia, Cryptosporidium) and hotels, cruise ships (Noro virus), hospitals and office buildings (MRSA, Legionella). The incidence of Legionellosis is frequently misdiagnosed as common pneumonia. This under-reporting of Legionella has recently come to light as more and more international health organisations recognise the need for control plans against this potentially deadly disease.Chlorine dioxide is shown to be an effective disinfectant at residual concentrations between 0.2 and 0.8 ppm. Chlorine dioxide acts to penetrate the cell wall of microorganisms and disrupts metabolic function. This is more efficient than other oxidisers that just "burn" the surface of whatever they come in contact with. This allows for lower effective concentrations of Chlorine dioxide to be used when compared to other oxidiser products.Chlorine dioxide, like ozone, is a dissolved gas that penetrates biofilm by molecular diffusion. However, unlike ozone, Chlorine dioxide is stable and soluble, allowing it to travel to the base of the film where it attacks microorganisms and destroys the biofilm at its point of attachment. Other oxidisers react mostly on the surface of the biofilm to form an oxidised layer, like charring on wood. This precludes further penetration. No other biocide has proved to control biofilm better than Chlorine dioxide.Effective over a wide pH rangeBecause Chlorine dioxide is a dissolved gas, it does not ionise to form weak acids (as chlorine and bromine do) in aqueous solutions. This allows chlorine dioxide to be effective over a wide pH range. For example, the pH dependent speciation of chlorine produces hypochlorite ion and hypochlorous acid (HOCl). Hypochlorite is only 1/30 to 1/200 as effective as HOCl. Chlorine dioxide being a neutral species with rapid disinfection kinetics, is 100% available for disinfection in hard or soft water.http://www.safeox.com/faqWhat is the difference between chlorine dioxide and chlorine?Chlorine dioxide is not the same as chlorine; it is radically different in its properties despite sharing the word "chlorine". Although both chlorine dioxide and chlorine are oxidising agents (or electron receivers), chlorine dioxide is significantly more effective as a biocide and disinfectant than chlorine. This is because chlorine molecules have the capacity to accept only two electrons, whilst chlorine dioxide has the capacity to accept five. The chemistry is more similar to ozone than chlorine. Is chlorine dioxide effective against biofilm?Chlorine dioxide, like ozone, is a dissolved gas that penetrates biofilm by molecular diffusion. However, unlike ozone, chlorine dioxide is stable and soluble, allowing it to travel to the base of the film where it attacks microorganisms and destroys the biofilm at its point of attachment. Other oxidisers react mostly on the surface of the biofilm to form an oxidised layer, like charring on wood. This precludes further penetration. No other biocide has been shown to control biofilm better than chlorine dioxide.=================================== The effectiveness over a wide pH range would indicate that raising the pH of MMS after activation should not be a problem. Also the above indicates the fact that chlorine dioxide is a dissolved gas (eg in an MMS dose) like ozone makes it much more effective. > > >> > > Whenn I asked You how 2 gas as Hydrogen and oxigen gas put thogether to become water:your answer was a question:You asked me :You do not know this?So I needed to be shemful to I DO NOT KNOW this/but I do Know/> > > Now this KNOWLEGAble member You asking what is 1 ppm.Anyone can buy a PPM meter/as I do have all kind of meters to my researche and works.Because I am an Energetic medicine researcher.> > > > > > iritating me :you trying everyones knowlege included JIm Humble.I can image some people do not like Him because He do healing work in Africa,GB> > >> >>

August 28, 2010

On 8/28/2010 12:51 AM, healinghope wrote:

> Chlorine dioxide is a strong bactericide and virucide at

> concentrations as low as 0.1 ppm. It will eliminate both planktonic and

> sessile bacteria; disinfect surfaces; and rapidly destroy problematic

> biofilm. With minimal contact time, it is highly effective against many

> pathogenic organisms including bacterial spores, Legionella,

> Tuberculosis, MRSA, VRE, Listeria, Salmonella, amoebal cysts, Giardia

> cysts, E. coli, and Cryptosporidium. Importantly, chlorine dioxide also

> destroys biofilm so bacterial re-growth is significantly impeded.

> http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-clo2

Aren't all of their products dealing with *topical* uses? Things like

this can behave very differently when introduced into the biological

system of the body, so I don't see how this answers Tom's question about

a 'spectacular immune system response'...

Nor does it answer the question of how many drops of MMS does it take to

create a 1ppm concentration.

> In , " silverfox_science " wrote:

>> Hello GB,

>>

>> Did you read the article by Jim Humble that Healinghope posted?

>>

>> " On the other hand, solutions of 0.1 to 1-ppm seem to induce a

>> spectacular immune response reaction attacking anaerobic bacterium,

>> viruses, parasites, fungus, harmful molds, yeasts and other

>> pathogens. "

>>

>> I am interested in this " spectacular immune response reaction " and

>> want to know how may drops are needed to make a 1 PPM solution.

>>

>> Here Jim Humble again refers to the 1 PPM concentration.

>>

>> " The acid such as vinegar or citric acid often used in soft drinks

>> reduces the solution to an acid condition but still within a food

>> range which releases up to 1 ppm chlorine dioxide,... "

>>

>> Did you notice the " UP TO 1 PPM " comment?

>>

>> The question still stands. How may drops of MMS do you use to make

>> this 1 PPM chlorine dioxide solution that is capable of producing

>> the spectacular immune response?

August 28, 2010

The compound is literally explosive; so explosive, it's not safe to transport in

any quantity. Therefore, it is common practice to generate chlorine dioxide " on

site " at the point of use. Chlorine dioxide is approved by the Environmental

Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates like anthrax. So

you know it must be effective. However, the concentrations used in such

applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which

would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will

produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.

http://www.mmsindonesia.com/

http://orgoneproducts.org/mms.php

And I already know Tom's response it's plastered all over the internet, this

get's childish and old after awhile for me.

http://curezone.com/forums/am.asp?i=1387863

Hello Ayurvedi,

If you are looking for a solution with around 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide, use 1

drop of MMS in 1 liter of water.

Actually, 1 drop of MMS is about 0.056 ml, and in 1 liter of water that will

give you about 7.5 PPM available chlorine dioxide and about 1.5 PPM as free

chlorine dioxide. This is a little more than the 1 PPM you are going for, but it

should be close enough.

Tom

> >> Hello GB,

> >>

> >> Did you read the article by Jim Humble that Healinghope posted?

> >>

> >> " On the other hand, solutions of 0.1 to 1-ppm seem to induce a

> >> spectacular immune response reaction attacking anaerobic bacterium,

> >> viruses, parasites, fungus, harmful molds, yeasts and other

> >> pathogens. "

> >>

> >> I am interested in this " spectacular immune response reaction " and

> >> want to know how may drops are needed to make a 1 PPM solution.

> >>

> >> Here Jim Humble again refers to the 1 PPM concentration.

> >>

> >> " The acid such as vinegar or citric acid often used in soft drinks

> >> reduces the solution to an acid condition but still within a food

> >> range which releases up to 1 ppm chlorine dioxide,... "

> >>

> >> Did you notice the " UP TO 1 PPM " comment?

> >>

> >> The question still stands. How may drops of MMS do you use to make

> >> this 1 PPM chlorine dioxide solution that is capable of producing

> >> the spectacular immune response?

>

August 28, 2010

Hello GB,

Yes, I do know the answer.

What I am trying to figure out is why Jim Humble doesn't know the answer...

He writes in his book and in articles that 1 PPM induces a spectacular immune

response reaction, and goes on to say that testing and studies indicate that up

to 5 PPM is safe for human consumption. If you read the studies and test

results you find that 1 PPM is very effective, and 5 PPM is safe for human

consumption for at least 12 weeks.

Then he turns around and offers a protocol that has people taking a dose that

has over 263 PPM every 2 hours. What happened to the incredible 1 PPM, or the

safe 5 PPM? The original protocol had people striving to reach 15 drops. 15

drops gives you a concentration of about 949 PPM.

The question still stands... how may drops of MMS to made a solution with a

concentration of 1 PPM?

Tom

--- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@...>

wrote:

>

> I do not believe You do NOT know that.I think You are that smart if you do not

know then you know where to look for the answers,that is the true knowlege to

know where is the answer.anyways i will figure that out.I have the radionics

chemical classes to make the solutions to agricultura according dr REAMS and

other the best .actually see how smart You are:I did not read everybody on the 1

ppm solutions.GB tnx

>

August 28, 2010

Hello Healinghope,

That brings up another question...

How many drops does it take to make a solution of 0.1 PPM?

Tom

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Chlorine dioxide is a strong bactericide and virucide at concentrations as low

as 0.1 ppm. It will eliminate both planktonic and sessile bacteria; disinfect

surfaces; and rapidly destroy problematic biofilm. With minimal contact time, it

is highly effective against many pathogenic organisms including bacterial

spores, Legionella, Tuberculosis, MRSA, VRE, Listeria, Salmonella, amoebal

cysts, Giardia cysts, E. coli, and Cryptosporidium. Importantly, chlorine

dioxide also destroys biofilm so bacterial re-growth is significantly impeded.

> http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-clo2

>

August 28, 2010

Hello GB,

It may come as a surprise to you, but at 1 PPM there is almost no odor and no

taste to the water.

Tom

--- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@...>

wrote:

>

> Tom!He do use many diff solutions As I do have I made up the 50% to use in

capsule because I can not stand the smell so now I put 4-4drops for that long I

able to hold my breath close the cup and needed to drink water before and water

after,so I do not smell I do not taste.So have many varieties and that mean many

PPM up to 1 PPM gb

>

August 28, 2010

Tom please read all the post I already responded to you and . Sigh

> > >> Hello GB,

> > >>

> > >> Did you read the article by Jim Humble that Healinghope posted?

> > >>

> > >> " On the other hand, solutions of 0.1 to 1-ppm seem to induce a

> > >> spectacular immune response reaction attacking anaerobic bacterium,

> > >> viruses, parasites, fungus, harmful molds, yeasts and other

> > >> pathogens. "

> > >>

> > >> I am interested in this " spectacular immune response reaction " and

> > >> want to know how may drops are needed to make a 1 PPM solution.

> > >>

> > >> Here Jim Humble again refers to the 1 PPM concentration.

> > >>

> > >> " The acid such as vinegar or citric acid often used in soft drinks

> > >> reduces the solution to an acid condition but still within a food

> > >> range which releases up to 1 ppm chlorine dioxide,... "

> > >>

> > >> Did you notice the " UP TO 1 PPM " comment?

> > >>

> > >> The question still stands. How may drops of MMS do you use to make

> > >> this 1 PPM chlorine dioxide solution that is capable of producing

> > >> the spectacular immune response?

> >

>

August 28, 2010

Hello Healinghope,

That is correct. The PH of the chlorine dioxide solution has little effect on

the chlorine dioxide. When working with dental problems we raise the PH to 6.

Another question... how may drops of MMS does it take to produce 0.2 and 0.8

PPM?

If you ever figure this out you will understand why I advocate using a 5% sodium

chlorite solution, but when working at concentrations under 1 PPM, a 2% sodium

chlorite solution would be easier to work with.

Tom

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-clo2

> <http://www.safeox.com/chlorine-dioxide-clo2>

>

> Highly effective disinfectant

> Microbial infection is responsible for thousands of deaths and many more

> illnesses across the world each year. Frequent outbreaks of disease have

> been linked to food handling and processing (Listeria, Salmonella,

> Shigella, and E. Coli), drinking water (Giardia, Cryptosporidium) and

> hotels, cruise ships (Noro virus), hospitals and office buildings (MRSA,

> Legionella). The incidence of Legionellosis is frequently misdiagnosed

> as common pneumonia. This under-reporting of Legionella has recently

> come to light as more and more international health organisations

> recognise the need for control plans against this potentially deadly

> disease.

>

> Chlorine dioxide is shown to be an effective disinfectant at residual

> concentrations between 0.2 and 0.8 ppm. Chlorine dioxide acts to

> penetrate the cell wall of microorganisms and disrupts metabolic

> function. This is more efficient than other oxidisers that just " burn "

> the surface of whatever they come in contact with. This allows for lower

> effective concentrations of Chlorine dioxide to be used when compared to

> other oxidiser products.

>

> Chlorine dioxide, like ozone, is a dissolved gas that penetrates biofilm

> by molecular diffusion. However, unlike ozone, Chlorine dioxide is

> stable and soluble, allowing it to travel to the base of the film where

> it attacks microorganisms and destroys the biofilm at its point of

> attachment. Other oxidisers react mostly on the surface of the biofilm

> to form an oxidised layer, like charring on wood. This precludes further

> penetration. No other biocide has proved to control biofilm better than

> Chlorine dioxide.

> Effective over a wide pH range

> Because Chlorine dioxide is a dissolved gas, it does not ionise to form

> weak acids (as chlorine and bromine do) in aqueous solutions. This

> allows chlorine dioxide to be effective over a wide pH range. For

> example, the pH dependent speciation of chlorine produces hypochlorite

> ion and hypochlorous acid (HOCl). Hypochlorite is only 1/30 to 1/200 as

> effective as HOCl. Chlorine dioxide being a neutral species with rapid

> disinfection kinetics, is 100% available for disinfection in hard or

> soft water.

>

> http://www.safeox.com/faq <http://www.safeox.com/faq>

>

> What is the difference between chlorine dioxide and chlorine?

>

> Chlorine dioxide is not the same as chlorine; it is radically different

> in its properties despite sharing the word " chlorine " . Although

> both chlorine dioxide and chlorine are oxidising agents (or electron

> receivers), chlorine dioxide is significantly more effective as a

> biocide and disinfectant than chlorine. This is because chlorine

> molecules have the capacity to accept only two electrons, whilst

> chlorine dioxide has the capacity to accept five. The chemistry is more

> similar to ozone than chlorine.

>

> Is chlorine dioxide effective against biofilm?

>

> Chlorine dioxide, like ozone, is a dissolved gas that penetrates biofilm

> by molecular diffusion. However, unlike ozone, chlorine dioxide is

> stable and soluble, allowing it to travel to the base of the film where

> it attacks microorganisms and destroys the biofilm at its point of

> attachment. Other oxidisers react mostly on the surface of the biofilm

> to form an oxidised layer, like charring on wood. This precludes further

> penetration. No other biocide has been shown to control biofilm better

> than chlorine dioxide.

> =================================== The effectiveness over a wide pH

> range would indicate that raising the pH of MMS after activation should

> not be a problem. Also the above indicates the fact that chlorine

> dioxide is a dissolved gas (eg in an MMS dose) like ozone makes it much

> more effective.

>

August 28, 2010

Hello Healinghope,

Thanks for the answer.

Another question...

If science has found that 1 PPM is very effective, and Jim Humble agrees with

this, why does the MMS protocol involve concentrations 200 - 900 times stronger?

Do you remember the bee study? A little was beneficial, but a whole lot more

was detrimental.

Tom

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Tom please read all the post I already responded to you and . Sigh

>

August 28, 2010

Tom I showed you 2 different sites that agree with me Humbles protocol is 1ppm.

Please I am wore out on this can we please move on?

http://www.mmsindonesia.com/

http://orgoneproducts.org/mms.php

http://www.detailshere.com/mms.htm

The compound is literally explosive; so explosive, it's not safe to transport in

any quantity. Therefore, it is common practice to generate chlorine dioxide " on

site " at the point of use. Chlorine dioxide is approved by the Environmental

Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates like anthrax. So

you know it must be effective. However, the concentrations used in such

applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which

would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will

produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.

>

> Hello Healinghope,

>

> Thanks for the answer.

>

> Another question...

>

> If science has found that 1 PPM is very effective, and Jim Humble agrees with

this, why does the MMS protocol involve concentrations 200 - 900 times stronger?

>

> Do you remember the bee study? A little was beneficial, but a whole lot more

was detrimental.

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@>

wrote:

> >

> > Tom please read all the post I already responded to you and . Sigh

> >

>

August 28, 2010

On 8/28/2010 3:22 PM, healinghope wrote:

> Tom I showed you 2 different sites that agree with me Humbles

> protocol is 1ppm.

Ummm.. merely providing links to other sites that repeat an

unsubstantiated claim is not proof of anything.

I would appreciate it if you and glen would stop with these personal

attacks against Tom. He has provided substantial evidence that the claim

that MMS, mixed per the original instructions, results in concentrations

of ClO2 that are far in excess of 1ppm, and is merely asking for

clarification of how his calculations are wrong.

August 28, 2010

.....sigh....

> > Tom I showed you 2 different sites that agree with me Humbles

> > protocol is 1ppm.

>

> Ummm.. merely providing links to other sites that repeat an

> unsubstantiated claim is not proof of anything.

>

> I would appreciate it if you and glen would stop with these personal

> attacks against Tom. He has provided substantial evidence that the claim

> that MMS, mixed per the original instructions, results in concentrations

> of ClO2 that are far in excess of 1ppm, and is merely asking for

> clarification of how his calculations are wrong.

>

August 29, 2010

Hello Healinghope,

And that is the crux of the problem...

The web sites that reproduce the information that Jim Humble has presented, say

the same things that he said. However, when you do testing to confirm those

claims, the results come up different.

Don't take my word for it. Do your own testing.

Pick up some chlorine dioxide test strips, or take a sample to a water treatment

plant. Another option is to phone any chemical supplier of sodium chlorite and

ask them.

The science behind this is as follows:

MMS is 22.4% sodium chlorite. That means that it has 224000 PPM available

chlorine dioxide.

The specific gravity of 22.4% sodium chlorite is about 1.2. That means that

there are 17 drops per ml.

The current MMS protocol calls for a dose of 3 drops. That is 3/17 = 0.176 ml.

0.176 times 224000 = 39424 PPM available chlorine dioxide.

This is diluted with 90 ml of water, so we divide the 39424 by 90 and come up

with about 438 PPM.

Now, only about 60% of the solution actually forms available chlorine dioxide,

so that drops the concentration down to about 263 PPM.

In the water treatment studies, all of the available chlorine dioxide was

converted to free chlorine dioxide. This is what was involved with the human

studies were the people were drinking 5 PPM solutions for 12 weeks. With MMS

only part of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine

dioxide.

This means that the 3 drop dose has about 263 PPM available chlorine dioxide and

around 26 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. If you test this, you will be

measuring the 26 PPM.

This brings up two questions...

1. If 1 PPM is all that is needed, why are people instructed to take 263 PPM

available with 26 PPM free chlorine dioxide every other hour?

2. We know that 5 PPM available chlorine dioxide with 5 PPM of that as free

chlorine dioxide is safe. Is 263 PPM available with 26 PPM free chlorine

dioxide taken every 2 hours also safe?

With this information, you can review the studies to see what kind of oxidative

stress would be involved. For example, the bee study found that 10 and 100 PPM

available chlorine dioxide were beneficial, but 1000 PPM was not.

I don't think a single dose is an issue, but the concern is over extended use.

Tom

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Tom I showed you 2 different sites that agree with me Humbles protocol is

1ppm. Please I am wore out on this can we please move on?

> http://www.mmsindonesia.com/

> http://orgoneproducts.org/mms.php

> http://www.detailshere.com/mms.htm

> The compound is literally explosive; so explosive, it's not safe to transport

in any quantity. Therefore, it is common practice to generate chlorine dioxide

" on site " at the point of use. Chlorine dioxide is approved by the Environmental

Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates like anthrax. So

you know it must be effective. However, the concentrations used in such

applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm), which

would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will

produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.

>

August 29, 2010

I bought more then 2 years ago and used the labeled instructions.Since MMS2

comet i bought also,

Since 50% and 50%comet I made that ,since I have 2 level Pharmacy school.

In my repertoare MMS is just one aspect next to many,,,so if is this compjusing

is better to NOT recomend to No one to be I will be layter take the

responsability for MMS,I already recomended but best to NOT then, or using

because I smelling that much I really need to hold my breath to not get my lung

demaged. TNX gb

>

> Hello GB,

>

> It may come as a surprise to you, but at 1 PPM there is almost no odor and no

taste to the water.

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@>

wrote:

> >

> > Tom!He do use many diff solutions As I do have I made up the 50% to use in

capsule because I can not stand the smell so now I put 4-4drops for that long I

able to hold my breath close the cup and needed to drink water before and water

after,so I do not smell I do not taste.So have many varieties and that mean many

PPM up to 1 PPM gb

> >

>

August 29, 2010

Tom I have been using Humble's protocol since Nov of 2008. I am healthier than

ever now taking maintenance doses. I need no strip or test tube, thanks for your

concern though. I guess all the sites proclaiming that the protocol is 1ppm are

wrong. I knew before this was posted your standing I hope this is over now,

please.

>

> Hello Healinghope,

>

> And that is the crux of the problem...

>

> The web sites that reproduce the information that Jim Humble has presented,

say the same things that he said. However, when you do testing to confirm those

claims, the results come up different.

>

> Don't take my word for it. Do your own testing.

>

> Pick up some chlorine dioxide test strips, or take a sample to a water

treatment plant. Another option is to phone any chemical supplier of sodium

chlorite and ask them.

>

> The science behind this is as follows:

>

> MMS is 22.4% sodium chlorite. That means that it has 224000 PPM available

chlorine dioxide.

>

> The specific gravity of 22.4% sodium chlorite is about 1.2. That means that

there are 17 drops per ml.

>

> The current MMS protocol calls for a dose of 3 drops. That is 3/17 = 0.176

ml.

>

> 0.176 times 224000 = 39424 PPM available chlorine dioxide.

>

> This is diluted with 90 ml of water, so we divide the 39424 by 90 and come up

with about 438 PPM.

>

> Now, only about 60% of the solution actually forms available chlorine dioxide,

so that drops the concentration down to about 263 PPM.

>

> In the water treatment studies, all of the available chlorine dioxide was

converted to free chlorine dioxide. This is what was involved with the human

studies were the people were drinking 5 PPM solutions for 12 weeks. With MMS

only part of the available chlorine dioxide is released as free chlorine

dioxide.

>

> This means that the 3 drop dose has about 263 PPM available chlorine dioxide

and around 26 PPM of that as free chlorine dioxide. If you test this, you will

be measuring the 26 PPM.

>

> This brings up two questions...

>

> 1. If 1 PPM is all that is needed, why are people instructed to take 263 PPM

available with 26 PPM free chlorine dioxide every other hour?

>

> 2. We know that 5 PPM available chlorine dioxide with 5 PPM of that as free

chlorine dioxide is safe. Is 263 PPM available with 26 PPM free chlorine

dioxide taken every 2 hours also safe?

>

> With this information, you can review the studies to see what kind of

oxidative stress would be involved. For example, the bee study found that 10

and 100 PPM available chlorine dioxide were beneficial, but 1000 PPM was not.

>

> I don't think a single dose is an issue, but the concern is over extended use.

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@>

wrote:

> >

> > Tom I showed you 2 different sites that agree with me Humbles protocol is

1ppm. Please I am wore out on this can we please move on?

> > http://www.mmsindonesia.com/

> > http://orgoneproducts.org/mms.php

> > http://www.detailshere.com/mms.htm

> > The compound is literally explosive; so explosive, it's not safe to

transport in any quantity. Therefore, it is common practice to generate chlorine

dioxide " on site " at the point of use. Chlorine dioxide is approved by the

Environmental Protection Agency in safely removing pathogens and contaminates

like anthrax. So you know it must be effective. However, the concentrations used

in such applications can vary from 500 to over 6,000 parts per million (ppm),

which would clearly be deadly to an individual. Using the MMS protocol you will

produce chlorine dioxide in the range of 1 ppm.

> >

>

August 29, 2010

Hello GB,

That is the problem I have been referring to.

When you mix MMS according to the MMS protocol, you end up with a solution that

is much stronger than 1 PPM.

A solution with 1 PPM chlorine dioxide has no color change, and almost no odor.

Smelling it will not irritate your lungs.

Tom

--- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@...>

wrote:

>

> I bought more then 2 years ago and used the labeled instructions.Since MMS2

comet i bought also,

> Since 50% and 50%comet I made that ,since I have 2 level Pharmacy school.

> In my repertoare MMS is just one aspect next to many,,,so if is this

compjusing is better to NOT recomend to No one to be I will be layter take the

responsability for MMS,I already recomended but best to NOT then, or using

because I smelling that much I really need to hold my breath to not get my lung

demaged. TNX gb

>

August 29, 2010

Hello Healinghope,

I am very pleased that you are enjoying good health.

I am more than happy to move on from this, until the next person publishes the

false claim that the MMS protocol produces a dose with a concentration of 1 PPM

chlorine dioxide...

Run the test yourself, or drop by a high school chemistry class and have them

run the test.

Tom

--- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...>

wrote:

>

> Tom I have been using Humble's protocol since Nov of 2008. I am healthier than

ever now taking maintenance doses. I need no strip or test tube, thanks for your

concern though. I guess all the sites proclaiming that the protocol is 1ppm are

wrong. I knew before this was posted your standing I hope this is over now,

please.

>

August 29, 2010

On 8/29/2010 10:18 AM, healinghope wrote:

> Tom I have been using Humble's protocol since Nov of 2008. I am

> healthier than ever now taking maintenance doses. I need no strip or

> test tube, thanks for your concern though.

Tom's suggestion had nothing to do with proving/disproving efficacy of

MMS in general, or as a challenge to your claim that it has healed you.

I accept your statement as true on its face, and I imagine Tom does too.

But that is irrelevant to the question under discussion.

> I guess all the sites proclaiming that the protocol is 1ppm are

> wrong.

Since none of them provide any test results or details of any testing

that was done to prove the claim, but are all essentially just copying

the claim from the original source, I'd say, yes, if the original is

wrong, they too are wrong. Do you not see the logic of that?

> I knew before this was posted your standing I hope this is over now,

> please.

You are totally missing the point. This isn't just a matter of opinion

any more than whether or not 1+1=2 is a matter of opinion. All Tom is

doing is making sure that people understand that the technical claim is

incorrect, and when dealing with something as powerful - and potentially

*deadly* - as MMS, technical details as to concentrations are of

paramount importance.

Surely you don't disagree with this?

August 30, 2010

Dear Tom!

this getting to serius to me/aldo i got modoreted or not I do not know/i thought

you want to discalify Humble.because this is His web.

But You made a mistake also .because speaking only for myself i study healt for

15 years .PH all chemical testing Ala carte/LOL/for DR Reams.As I do not know

believe His theory or not.

But now an 88 years lady friend of mine asking to order for Her.Also my 3 small

grandkids in England using.I bought my MMS2 in a swimming suply with my husband

who thinks I am total NUTS to using it,to taking that maybe more deingeres then

the MMS1.

I telling You is turning total yellow very deep color even tuch orange

shade.The smell is untorolable to me/but do have 3 smellers type people

/according dr A'Damo genetype diet book ,and they can test the

smellers/people/what type and part of the gene type.Even says Older Bush

president was a highest smeller group that is why was unable to eat brokodly

this kind of people taste what others do not.that is I thought not everybody

feel what I do.You see I am Not a shy person to drink H+ water whenn everyone

even the company who sells the mashine said I can die from it./But now I

discovered a new web and other russian dr says how to drink./1 ouncePH 2.5 ph

3.00 1 ounce in 8 ounce destilled water .So then we got PH 7 water but full with

protons but need to drink fast as the protons will from -OH start to rearange

again.In the creb cycle any drawing you see the plain water itself by the body

separates to H+ and OH- as the energy making needs the PROTON H+.So You were

right to drink water PH7 as You writed to me,but this H+ rich for couple second

dr vladimir Volkov says cure all sicness also prolong life over 100 years.i am

off again but that I wanted to send JIM Humble but I was unable the company told

me he is unrecable as in His book Jim was asking some things He was looking for

somthing.In my $1250.00 bats 3000 kind for drs for disinfecting if You make with

salt/but open unit so 4 diff kind water can be made.If givet salt ONLY that

okasions unable to moving because can be making fire.questions :the " the

regular " H+water in our body meets salts so why then NOT become that deingeres or

can be?other Q I am very much into quantum mechanics;i can belive to not a sells

pich: but a clear water /went thought cleaning /and that H+and OH- says the OH-

or higly says healing alkali water by ionizations has avail many organic

minerals in the water ietself created by ionizations.Now I doing here 2 line of

questioning,and the more important what i do to make MMS1 and MMS2

SAFE???REmeber 1 was recomend for very sick people max 2 weeks and no way as

life time as sales people recomends it.Because the modorators beliving in you I

need to also pluss I am happy for it!!.tnx gb think that here is jim humble and

then the sales peoples and Jim Humble recomendations that much off??????He

really need to trust You. gb

>

> Hello GB,

>

> That is the problem I have been referring to.

>

> When you mix MMS according to the MMS protocol, you end up with a solution

that is much stronger than 1 PPM.

>

> A solution with 1 PPM chlorine dioxide has no color change, and almost no

odor. Smelling it will not irritate your lungs.

>

> Tom

>

> --- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@>

wrote:

> >

> > I bought more then 2 years ago and used the labeled instructions.Since MMS2

comet i bought also,

> > Since 50% and 50%comet I made that ,since I have 2 level Pharmacy school.

> > In my repertoare MMS is just one aspect next to many,,,so if is this

compjusing is better to NOT recomend to No one to be I will be layter take the

responsability for MMS,I already recomended but best to NOT then, or using

because I smelling that much I really need to hold my breath to not get my lung

demaged. TNX gb

> >

>

August 30, 2010

Hello GB,

I agree with your husband. The idea of flooding your body with hypochlorous

acid (chlorine) doesn't sit well with me. Hypochlorous acid is important in the

body, but the body uses it in a closed system. I think a better idea would be

to figure out what raw materials the body uses to produce hypochlorous acid and

make sure your diet includes those substances.

I think there is a place for oxidation therapy, but you have to understand the

chemistry involved, and need to be monitored for oxidative stress. Oxidation

therapy works by having the correct concentration of the oxidant in contact with

the pathogen for the correct amount of time.

I think you may have misunderstood what I was saying. When you mix up a dose

according to the MMS protocol, your ending solution will be yellow, have a

strong odor, and taste awful. However, if you mix a solution that has 1 PPM

chlorine dioxide, none of those other problems occur. Jim Humble claims that 1

PPM is very strong and kills all sorts of pathogens. The problem I am having is

that if 1 PPM works great, why mix up a much stronger solution and subject

yourself to all kinds of adverse effects.

Testing has revealed that a 5 PPM concentration of free chlorine dioxide is safe

to drink. No testing has been done with the product that MMS1 forms, so you

will have to make your best guess and go from there. As I mentioned earlier, I

don't think MMS2 is safe at any concentration, but you can look up chlorination

of water and see what the limits are for that and what testing has been done. I

use carbon filters to remove chlorine and hypochlorous acid from my water, and

advise others to do this too.

Moderators don't really care, within reason, what is being said, but they are

particular in how things are being said. I have come to my conclusions by

running tests and studying the chemistry. I have contacted chemical engineers

and medical professionals and discussed these things at length with them. The

chemistry is pretty straight forward. If you have problems with that, visit a

high school chemistry class and they should be able to work out concentrations

and dilutions. I advise people to review what I present and to do their own

tests to verify the information I present. It is easy to discuss oxidative

stress with medical professionals as it relates to chlorine dioxide. The

problem comes when you switch to acidified sodium chlorite. There aren't very

many people, in the world, that understand this chemistry, so you will have to

dig a little deeper. Also, there are many industrial " secrets " involved with

acidified sodium chlorite, so the information on it is a lot more difficult to

obtain.

When you take on the responsibility of physician, the burden of effectiveness

and safety and interactions falls on your shoulders.

Tom

--- In , " go2y47or " <go2y47or@...>

wrote:

>

> Dear Tom!

> this getting to serius to me/aldo i got modoreted or not I do not know/i

thought you want to discalify Humble.because this is His web.

> But You made a mistake also .because speaking only for myself i study healt

for 15 years .PH all chemical testing Ala carte/LOL/for DR Reams.As I do not

know believe His theory or not.

> But now an 88 years lady friend of mine asking to order for Her.Also my 3

small grandkids in England using.I bought my MMS2 in a swimming suply with my

husband who thinks I am total NUTS to using it,to taking that maybe more

deingeres then the MMS1.

> I telling You is turning total yellow very deep color even tuch orange