Guest guest Posted August 2, 2010 Report Share Posted August 2, 2010 To the casual observer the back and forth on MMS must seem overwhelming…why so much controversy on a chemical protocol. On regular alternative health forums everyone puts in their two cents and members are assumed to have the ability to decide what works best for them. With MMS any deviation from the established protocols brings on demands like today from Okie…which goes beyond all net ediquette in asking for some very personal information. I’ve never seen such questions posted to anyone on the colloidal silver list or any other. If I were put in the same position I would not answer such an inquisition. Okie…if you plan to consult with other chemist…do it. While you are at it be sure to post their grade point average k? and their fields of interest (I like cooking, cycling, watching little children on playgrounds etc) The ‘true believers’ in Jim’s protocols take this as an attack on their religion. Any information that challenges the established dogma is viewed as heresy. Heresy is a controversial or novel change to a system of beliefs, especially a religion, that conflicts with established dogma.[1] It is distinct from apostasy, which is the formal denunciation of one's religion, principles or cause,[2] and blasphemy, which is irreverence toward religion.[3] The founder or leader of a heretical movement is called a heresiarch, while individuals who espouse heresy are known as heretics. Heresiology is the study of heresy. Etymology The word " heresy " comes from the Greek hairetikos " able to choose " (haireisthai " to choose " ). The term heresy is often perceived as a value judgment and the expression of a view from within an established belief system. According to Merriam-Webster: from Late Latin haeresis, from Late Greek hairesis, from Greek, " action of taking, choice, sect " , from hairein " to take " . Dogma is the established belief or doctrine held by a religion, ideology or any kind of organization: it is authoritative and not to be disputed, doubted or from which diverged. The term derives from Greek äüãìá " that which seems to one, opinion or belief " [1] and that from äïêÝù (dokeo), " to think, to suppose, to imagine " .[2] The plural is either dogmas or dogmata , from Greek äüãìáôá. Dogmata are found in religions such as Christianity, Islam, and Judaism, where they are considered core principles that must be upheld by all followers of that religion. As a fundamental element of religion, the term " dogma " is assigned to those theological tenets which are considered to be well demonstrated, such that their proposed disputation or revision effectively means that a person no longer accepts the given religion as his or her own, or has entered into a period of personal doubt. Dogma is distinguished from theological opinion regarding those things considered less well-known. Dogmata may be clarified and elaborated but not contradicted in novel teachings (e.g., Galatians 1:8-9). Rejection of dogma may lead to expulsion from a religious group. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> So for those members of you that are scratching your heads and wondering why all this back and forth on protocols instead of the discussion of protocols, contraindications and the implications to freely choose, it is because Tom is considered a heretic and by his actions is keeping the movement of the church from its intended purpose of Saving the World. It’s the reason some members continue to hammer at Tom demanding information that would never be demanded on any other kind of alternative protocol forum. For those of us who are into making personal choices just consider all the information and choose what works for you. >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> An open letter from Bishop Jim Humble to all interested in the Genesis II Church April 26, 2010 by genesis2church Saving the World! Hello, it’s me again, Jim Humble, quite a big number of people were interested in a Church of Health and Healing. So let me say one purpose of this Church is to protect the people who have finished our course and can heal almost any disease known. Another purpose of this church is to protect our members from vaccinations and other governmental oppression such as forced insurance. SO WE NOW HAVE A CHURCH OF GOOD DEEDS, NOT A CHURCH OF BELIEFS. IF YOU BELIEVE IN GOOD DEEDS AND BELIEVE IN DOING WHAT IS RIGHT YOU CAN BELONG TO OUR CHURCH. Now, we are finally teaching a course in MMS here in the Dominican Republic. All who complete the course will be non religious Ministers of Health and can join the Church to become Church Ministers of Health. The course coming up will be starting on the 9th of August. It costs $750 for one week which contains all of the MMS theory. The second week covers the practical side for those who want can go with us into Haiti and treat people there who need MMS desperately. The just completed Ministers of Health will get practical experience. The cost of the second week is $250. Completed Students (Ministers of Health) can add MH to the end of their names and if they join the Church they can also put Rev in front of their names. When you finish our MMS course (one week of intense training) you can legally call yourself a Reverend and use Rev. in front of your name. I guarantee that within a couple of years Ministers of Health from our Church will be the most respected ministers in the world. Think of what you can do when you leave here. You can hand out tracks and approach sick people and offer to help them become well and they can give you a donation when they are well. In fact, you can tell them that you don’t want a donation of any kind until they are well. THAT ALONE IN MOST PEOPLE’S MINDS IS PROOF. You are not asking for money up front. If this was any other kind of nutrient or vitamin or drug it wouldn’t work, but the fact is, MMS cures in minutes, or hours, or days when other medicines that work takes months. The thing that we all will be doing is working towards healing people. Actually, I’ve said it many times we can’t heal anyone, only the human body heals the human body. All we do is furnish our cleansing water to clean out the pathogens and other trash and the body then is able to heal the body. That’s what will be happening with your help. You know that it happens fast, often in only hours. Of course the body does it, but we make it happen. The next important thing we will do is to immediately start a protection fund in the church foundation in such a way that no agency can get to it. That has already been done. For the time being until we can get a better setup, the money will come in from sales, or from healing people, or just donations into my PayPal account and I will deposit it where no one knows and where it is and it will be divided out among a number of banks across the world where there is no way to trace it. This protection fund is meant for one purpose, to stand between our church members and those who would suppress them. This fund is to hire super lawyers, and marchers when needed, other experts to bring suits against those who would suppress our members. This fund will be use to bring suits and class action suits against anyone who is doing things that might impact the health of the people of earth in a negative manner or anyone who is interfering with our pastors. By completing our course you will be a Minister of Health. You will be able to create health in almost anyone that is sick. Then you can decide if you want to join our church or not. If you join not only will you be ordained as a Minister in our church, but you will have a certificate that gives you the right to open a Chapter of our Church. You can do it at your home, or in a local building, or you can build a church. Now, let me tell you the name of the Church. The name will be the Genesis II Church of Health and Healing. Genesis means the beginning. Two means the second beginning. And we are talking of the second beginning of the World and we are creating a world this second time without disease. When you finish our course, if you wish, you will have the certificates mentioned above as well as an Identification card identifying you as a pastor of our church. Of course anyone can be a church member and have an identification card that says our members must not be vaccinated. One can become a member at no cost, just sign up saying you believe in Good Deeds and Doing what is right. The Identification card costs $10 plus the cost of shipping the card to you. We will eventually need lots of money for the Church’s protection fund for protection of members. How will we all be protected and how will we keep things honest? Well this church will be operated always on a transparent platform. A complete report will be made to the members each month at first and finally every 3 months. An accounting firm will be hired to make detailed reports of the use of the money. It will be done in such a manner that anyone running the church cannot cheat. Secrecy always allows for cheating, but transparency done properly can eliminate that. This Church will, of course, always act within the legal bounds of the country in which they are working. We have hundreds of positive emails wanting to know more and also wanting to join the church. Most of them have asked questions, but most of them have repeated the questions of others, so I can answer everyone’s questions in this Newsletter. Next Question: How does one become a Minister or even a Bishop in the Genesis 2 Church of Health and Healing? Of course to join the church, that is free. To become a minister, you must have some very good basic knowledge of how to treat people with MMS. Anyone completing our one week seminar here in the Dominican Republic can receive a completion certificate and can be ordained as a Minister of Health and Chaplain of the Genesis 2 Church and legally use Rev. in front of their name. They can even open a chapter in their area of the Genesis 2 Church. The level above Minister is Deacon, The level above Deacon is Priest, and the level above Priest is Bishop. We need a lot of Deacons, and Priests, and Bishops and most of all Ministers, but everyone must have their training. However, it isn’t going to take years of training and so forth. We have to grow at a break neck speed. You will receive certificates be ordained equal to your experience and understanding of the use of MMS. Of course women are equal in the Church and thus women can be Bishops as well as any other of the Healing levels. Anyone who cannot afford to travel here to do their training can take the training at home. Adam Abraham videoed the entire first Dominican Republic MMS training seminar. It will be available very soon. It was very thorough. It should take you almost a week to complete the training at home with your computer. There is a test that you will need to pass and then you can be issued a Minister’s certificate to show that you have been ordained. The cost of the home training Seminar of Videos will be $150. If you cannot afford this cost, please tell us what you can afford and we will accommodate you. There are those who have been working in the field of health who can apply for higher levels of ordination if they have the proper training or understanding of MMS and healing and ministry. Experience that you already have will also be important. We will try to issue ordination up to Bishop levels equaling your experience plus understanding of MMS. We will try to be fair with this, and you can always re-apply if you feel the need. Of course your experience and continued service will gain you higher levels of ordinations. We will accept and record members who send us emails with their name and phone number and email address and the following statement, “I believe in doing good deeds and I also believe in always doing what is right.” Those who want identification cards must send $10 plus $7 shipping from the Dominican Republic to healing@.... This is my personal PayPal account that is dedicated to the church. I will take the money out of this account periodically and deposit it in an account that no one knows that is known only to me and my successor and it will soon be recorded as church property and known to the church. We will use some of this money for expenses and organizing the Church at first, however, the money from 10% of the sales of MMS will always go, if at all possible, directly into this protection fund. Legally a Church Bishop never dies, he is only replaced. In the event of my death I will be replaced and nothing will change. Anyone making a donation can specify the church protection fund and in that case the money will absolutely go into the protection fund. You may wonder about the powers of a church. This is where everyone comes in who wants to see freedom in America and in the world. I approached dozens of wealthy people and those who were supposed to be in control of large funds for humanitarian purposes, but none were interested in helping MMS be further distributed. It was the same old story sure, we want to help, but you have to prove it by the Scientific method. You must have clinical trials after all the other tests are done. The clinical trials cost hundreds of millions of dollars. The money from humanitarian funds or wealthy people are not coming soon. Do you see. Us normal people must do it, and we will. The sales of MMS by our church will be through donations and at least 10% of all the sales will go into the protection fund. Donations for the protection fund will go directly into the protection fund. As people are healed and MMS is sold and people donate to the church the protection fund will grow and the power of the Church will grow. So send us an email showing your support or join right now Update from Jim…looks like the price is going up to $500 The video DVD's are not yet ready, but anyone paying will receive the complete notes, immediately and when the Videos arrive they will then receive the DVD's and course questions. It's sort of a way to get a little ahead. For the time being, I have complete notes on the last course typed by my secretary that can type as fast as I can talk, and then this coming course on the 9th of August is going to be professionally videoed. So we will sell those two together along with a thorough set of test questions. Anyone who can answer the test questions will receive all the same certificates that those coming here to the course get. The video course will consist of about 20 hours of video. You got to listen to them all in order to answer the questions. The stated price will probably be about $500 dollars, but those who cannot afford that will have a much lower cost, with some of those in Africa getting the entire course for free. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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