STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER DEVICES

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Hi Guys,

Interesting debate, not something I know a lot about, but a friend sent me

this:-

http://www.granderwater.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=17 & Itemi\

d=9

Is it relevant ?

Cheers .

> >

> > 

> >

> > *Hi again Jim,*

> > *I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round number with a

> > good ring to it. )*

> > *I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the past, but have

> > forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out Clayton Nolte.*

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related>

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related>

> > *Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome comments and/or

> > suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this worthy quest

> > towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.*

> > **

> >

> > * Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX

> > WATER DEVICES

> >

> > *:

> >

> > By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of -(minus)800 mv,

> > not +800 mv. That is why it works as it does. This is not just

> > low... it is ridiculously low. In fact, I have never seen

> > anything that duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's

> > MegaHydrate and I have tried for years. If you drink that water

> > every day, as Flanagan says, you should live to be 130 yrs old. It

> > all makes sense to me and so far, it proves out. I have 62 years

> > to go :-)

> >

> > Jim*

> >

> >

>

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Hi Jim,

I really appreciate all the information you sent. It is most definitely some food for thought.

You wrote...

>Something that I did not make clear earlier is that Hunza Water is a particular kind of structured water. Thus, structured water is not the same as in that it does not necessarily have all of the naturally occurring nanoparticles suspended in it as does Hunza Water. Therefore, Hunza Water is a specialized case of structured water. However, Hunza Water is, of course, structured<

I wonder what it is that separates Hunza water apart from all the other structured waters of the world. They all twist and turn over rocks and boulders, in various vortexes. Could the fact that it melted from the frozen glaciers have anything to do with it? Do you think that freezing the water, either before or after structuring it with a unit could enhance its qualities?

You wrote…

>For this reason, your water may be structured, but it is not really what I am looking for. MegaHydrate when dissolved in tap water immediately transforms it into structured water, so it can save those looking for Hunza Water a very long trip, but they must pay for it.<

After examining both websites, it seems that both products deliver huge amounts of negative hydrogen ions. I wish there was a way to have unlimited MegaHydrate water available for all the things a family would use water for, at a decent price, but unfortunately, that is not the case. So here's how I'm leaning...

Megahydrate is expensive, but then again, so is the unit. With MegaHydrate, I’ll have two glasses of water a day, but with the Photonic unit, I’ll have the benefit of unlimited drinking water for my whole family, plus whatever our bodies may absorb while bathing or showering, the benefit of cooking with structured water and also the advantage of watering the garden and landscaping with it. Megahydrate, at 4 capsules a day, will cost me at least $650.00 a year (That’s about what the unit will cost me, so the unit will pay for itself in a year), just for me. At $650.00 per person, per year, a family of six would be bankrupt in no time. (

Sincerely,

Catania

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i like to know how flanagan got H- water because OH- is the alkali water,Majbe

because the water is missing as HE sends powder,i got sick any time I tryed to

drink.

Has 2 diferents des water,need to buy steam destilled,that says higly

structured.People who drinked that lived over 100 .

http://www.quantumbalancing.com able to buy a sping to make str.water I do

not use.

Can be made:frize clear water and put to the sun,can be combined color flter

You going to have str water gb

> > >

> > > 

> > >

> > > *Hi again Jim,*

> > > *I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round number with a

> > > good ring to it. )*

> > > *I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the past, but have

> > > forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out Clayton Nolte.*

> > >

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related>

> > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

> > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related>

> > > *Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome comments and/or

> > > suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this worthy quest

> > > towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.*

> > > **

> > >

> > > * Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX

> > > WATER DEVICES

> > >

> > > *:

> > >

> > > By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of -(minus)800 mv,

> > > not +800 mv. That is why it works as it does. This is not just

> > > low... it is ridiculously low. In fact, I have never seen

> > > anything that duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's

> > > MegaHydrate and I have tried for years. If you drink that water

> > > every day, as Flanagan says, you should live to be 130 yrs old. It

> > > all makes sense to me and so far, it proves out. I have 62 years

> > > to go :-)

> > >

> > > Jim*

> > >

> > >

> >

>

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No.

On 9/23/2010 10:41 AM, wrote:

Jim,

Are you saying that distilled water cannot turn into structured water?

I read that one could with vortex, magnets and quartz crystals.

> >

> > 

> >

> > *Hi again Jim,*

> > *I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round number

with a

> > good ring to it. )*

> > *I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the past,

but have

> > forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out Clayton

Nolte.*

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related>

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related>

> > *Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome comments

and/or

> > suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this worthy

quest

> > towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.*

> > **

> >

> > * Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED

VORTEX

> > WATER DEVICES

> >

> > *:

> >

> > By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of -(minus)800

mv,

> > not +800 mv. That is why it works as it does. This is not just

> > low... it is ridiculously low. In fact, I have never seen

> > anything that duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's

> > MegaHydrate and I have tried for years. If you drink that

water

> > every day, as Flanagan says, you should live to be 130 yrs

old. It

> > all makes sense to me and so far, it proves out. I have 62

years

> > to go :-)

> >

> > Jim*

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

:

There are degrees of dead, but all filtered or treated water is

basically dead.

Aeration helps of course. Viktor Schauberger taught us that turbulence

enlivens water... and any is better than none. Aerated piped well

water water is better than highly processed piped water that is not

aerated.

The more structured the water becomes, the more healthful and the

better the taste, hence the ads. Just shaking water up in a jug is

good practice before drinking it. You could think of it as tempering

the molecules, but it is apparently much more than that.

Jim

On 9/23/2010 10:44 AM, k143gno wrote:

Hi Guys,

Interesting debate, not something I know a lot about, but a friend sent

me this:-

http://www.granderwater.co.uk/index.php?option=com_content & task=view & id=17 & Itemid=9

Is it relevant ?

Cheers .

> >

> > 

> >

> > *Hi again Jim,*

> > *I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round number

with a

> > good ring to it. )*

> > *I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the past,

but have

> > forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out Clayton

Nolte.*

> >

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related>

> > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related>

> > *Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome comments

and/or

> > suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this worthy

quest

> > towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.*

> > **

> >

> > * Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED

VORTEX

> > WATER DEVICES

> >

> > *:

> >

> > By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of -(minus)800

mv,

> > not +800 mv. That is why it works as it does. This is not just

> > low... it is ridiculously low. In fact, I have never seen

> > anything that duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's

> > MegaHydrate and I have tried for years. If you drink that

water

> > every day, as Flanagan says, you should live to be 130 yrs

old. It

> > all makes sense to me and so far, it proves out. I have 62

years

> > to go :-)

> >

> > Jim*

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

HTTP://www.quantumbalancing.com do have video how to make str water and

can buy for $36 very interesting click right up corner gb

> > > >

> > > > 

> > > >

> > > > *Hi again Jim,*

> > > > *I share your aspirations...130 is such a nice round number with a

> > > > good ring to it. )*

> > > > *I'll check out Flannagan ( I've read about him in the past, but have

> > > > forgotten most of what I read ) if you'll check out Clayton Nolte.*

> > > >

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related>

> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jNWAdbhZUo & feature=related>>

> > > > http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related>

> > > > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related

> > <http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CTeSjE7jNUA & feature=related>>

> > > > *Then we can compare notes...and I would welcome comments and/or

> > > > suggestions from anyone else who wishes to join this worthy quest

> > > > towards a 130 year old birthday party celebration.*

> > > > **

> > > >

> > > > * Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX

> > > > WATER DEVICES

> > > >

> > > > *:

> > > >

> > > > By the way, I said that Hunza Water has an ORP of -(minus)800 mv,

> > > > not +800 mv. That is why it works as it does. This is not just

> > > > low... it is ridiculously low. In fact, I have never seen

> > > > anything that duplicates the characteristics of Flanagan's

> > > > MegaHydrate and I have tried for years. If you drink that water

> > > > every day, as Flanagan says, you should live to be 130 yrs old. It

> > > > all makes sense to me and so far, it proves out. I have 62 years

> > > > to go :-)

> > > >

> > > > Jim*

> > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

On 9/23/2010 10:50 AM, paul catania wrote:

Hi :

See interspersed:

 



Hi Jim,

I really

appreciate all the information you sent. It is most definitely some

food for thought.

 

You wrote...

                  

>Something that I did not make clear earlier is that Hunza

Water is a particular kind of structured water. Thus, structured water

is not the same as in that it does not necessarily have all of the

naturally occurring nanoparticles suspended in it as does Hunza Water.

Therefore, Hunza Water is a specialized case of structured water.

However, Hunza Water is, of course, structured<

               

I wonder what it

is that separates Hunza water apart from all the other structured

waters of the world. They all twist and turn over rocks and boulders,

in various vortexes. Could the fact that it melted from the

frozen glaciers have anything to do with it? Do you think that freezing

the water, either before or after structuring it with a unit could

enhance its qualities?

I do think that.  Certainly, the place that the water comes from

affects its life giving qualities/ force,  so the soils that the water

runs over affect it a great deal.  Whether it has been frozen remains a

question.    I would like to hear what Dr. Emoto discovered on that.  I

doubt that it has ever been otherwise tested. Dr. Flanagan is using

some kind of mineral nanoparticles in his formula. Possibly, Calcium

Carbonate, but I don't know for sure.  He was the 1st person that I

ever heard use the term "nano"...  so you can bet on it. 

Somehow, I think that your blender idea is a start and magnets make

sense too.  It could be about that and a mineral additive.  We

don't have to come up with a dried formula as he did...  wet would be

just fine.  By the way, his Crystal Energy (water) formula does not

test out for me at all.  I have avoided it since I tested it. 

You want to test your solution immediately.  It may revert.

 

You wrote…

                

>For this reason,

your water may be structured, but it is not really what I am looking

for.  MegaHydrate when dissolved in tap water immediately transforms it

into structured water, so it can save those looking for Hunza Water a

very long trip, but they must pay for it.<

 

After examining

both websites, it seems that both products deliver huge amounts of

negative hydrogen ions.  I wish there was a way to

have unlimited MegaHydrate water available for all the things a family

would use water for, at a decent price, but unfortunately, that is not

the case. So here's how I'm leaning...

 

Megahydrate is

expensive, but then again, so is the unit. With MegaHydrate, I’ll

have two glasses of water a day, but with the Photonic unit, I’ll have

the benefit of unlimited drinking water for my whole family,

plus whatever our bodies may absorb while bathing or showering, the

benefit of cooking with structured water and also the advantage of

watering the garden and landscaping with it.  Megahydrate, at 4

capsules a day, will cost me at least $650.00 a year (That’s about what

the unit will cost me, so the unit will pay for itself in a year), just

for me. At $650.00 per person, per year, a family of

six would be bankrupt in no time.  (

Unfortunately, it does come down to that doesn't it?

I would bet that a person could make their own unit that would more

than duplicate your unit does using common plumbing supplies.  The

whole idea is to vortex the hell outta of it and to open up the flow

rate as much as possible.  Also,  if you leave the water shut off for

very long, you lose the effect entirely till it gets going again and it

would work best when you let the water run for a time before using it. 

My design would be a 6" diameter CI pipe a foot or more long, lined

with stainless fins.  The line diameter from it should be large also

and not too long.

I always search the sites that I buy my MegaHydrate from and I don't

pay what you quoted,  but it has always been pricey.  Also, not one is

selling it in bulk anymore that I can find.

Finally, both are a gift. I don't really

think that structured water can approach the benefits of MegaHydrate, 

but it is still a good, healthy choice compared to what most people

have to contend with. 

I have a wonderful groundwater sourced well, but my pipes are CPVC,

which would not be conducive to structured water in any case.  Plastic

is bad,  but our water is slightly acidic and it eats up copper in

short order... and like you, I have to make my choices.

Cheers,

Jim

[Guest guest]

Negative Hydrogen Ions are not possible by conventional physics, as

I understand it, so you should wonder. Dr. Flanagan discusses

that on his tape. I have found his formula rather miraculous in

terms of healing.

On 9/23/2010 3:00 PM, go2y47or wrote:

i like to know how flanagan got H- water because OH- is the alkali

water,Majbe because the water is missing as HE sends powder,i got sick

any time I tryed to drink.

Has 2 diferents des water,need to buy steam destilled,that says higly

structured.People who drinked that lived over 100 .

http://www.quantumbalancing.com

able to buy a sping to make str.water I do not use.

Can be made:frize clear water and put to the sun,can be combined color

flter You going to have str water gb

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[Guest guest]

If ORP, are 0 :then the water not healing but better then city water ORP +

Alkali water ORP -400-1100 or higher.

But interesdtingly one book says:lettuce water will healing all liver

disease.So I researched.Put lettuce in water and AFTER 5 days the ORP was

-450-500 I tried 4 bach to confirm.I tryed other vegetables/all was organic.

2 places go to:celeriac roots -350 ORP No other veg had ORP on the healing

skale as ORP concern/list I try that/ gb

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> Hi Jim,

>

> I have an Extech Exstik ORP meter, but I don't know how accurate it is.

> I'm going to try and run some tests to see what comes up.

> 1) Started with tap water from the sink. (TDS=385 ORP=+490) I then ran it

through the blender device.......(ORP=+515)

>

> 2) Tap + a pinch of sea salt. (TDS=595 ORP=+480) I then ran it

through the blender device.......................(ORP=+480)

>

> 3) Filtered water (TDS=05 ORP=+430) I ran it through the blender

device.......................................................... (ORP=+415)

>

> 4) Filtered water + pinch of sea salt. (TDS=245 ORP=+420) I ran it

through the blender device.....................(ORP=+415)

>

> Very disappointing results, to say the least. The vortex blending and the

magnets don't seem to have any effect at all on the ORP.

>

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> Re: [ ] Re:STRUCTURED VORTEX WATER

DEVICES

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> The only way that I know of to actually test if you have structured

water is with an ORP/ Redox meter. The surface tension could be tested, but

most people could never afford the equipment to do it.

>

> Highly structured water will have a reading of between -600 and -800.

You can but a descent meter on ebay for less than $50 and what you learn from it

is quite useful. This is the same reading that you will get when you dissolve a

MegaHydrate tablet in a glass of water. To compare this, a fresh strawberry

has a Redox of -150 and most other fresh fruits will be in this range. This

should give you a very good idea of what you are dealing with. Structured water

is awesome stuff.

>

[Guest guest]

Dear Jim and group,

For all those who were interested in my vortex blender design to structure water, I want to tell you about a few changes I've made. I thought a lot about how to mimic nature with all of her "streams and creeks", in a blender, and this is the only solution I've been able to come up with so far. I wanted an inexpensive way to suspend some rocks in the blender so that they would take part in vortex that is created, so I took a trip to the 99cent store, and wound purchasing a "100 percent cotton" doily, about 10 inches in diameter. I bought an off white one so as to minimize the chances of there being any dye in it. It has a somewhat large enough fishnet-like weave, to allow the water to freely flow through it, and yet is small enough to contain a few of the rocks I also purchased in the store. After thoroughly washing everything, I placed about 5 or 6 of the larger rocks in the center of the doily, and then connected all the outer points together with one of those little plastic straps that are used to hold things in place. I then filled the receptacle with water, about 3/4 of the way to the top. Most blenders, and mine, have a plastic insert on top, to allow for the adding of ingredients during the blending. I inserted the top of the doily bag through this insert, and secured it with a wooden dowel or wooden spoon. Then I just turned it on (at first, I SLOWLY PULSED, to make sure nothing was going to hit). That's it.

Notes:

1) Any heavy cotton, fishnet-like fabric will do, but make sure that it will contain all of the rocks, and not let one slip out when it gets wet and stretches a little (as it will).

2) Wash and rinse your fabric thoroughly to make sure there are no chemicals or dyes in it. I used soap and water, rinsed a few times, and then let it soak in an MMS solution.

3) Suspend the rocks in the fabric above the halfway point in the receptacle, because the bag will come down a bit when it gets wet, due to the heavy weight of the rocks.

4) I bought a bag rocks in the 99cent store, just to speed up things, but I think that a few rocks that are personally collected by you, from around your neighborhood, would be best. Naturally, I would also wash the rocks to clean off any chemicals, debris, dirt, moss etc.

If anyone is interested, I will TRY and take some pictures tomorrow and post them.

Catania