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[Guest guest]

yes, you have to look out for your child's best interest. a teacher

has absolutely no right to question medical diagnoses.

unfortunately, for special needs children like ours, we often have to

fight to get the proper services that they need. i've chnaged

schools a couple times and even jobs in order to get the right

schooling and therapy/insurance coverage. right now, my son goes to

a special needs school 9-3 mon thru fri, and has speech therapy 4

times a week, and occupational and physical therapy twice a week, all

at no charge to me. thanks to my insurance !

> This is my advice. I would sit down with this teacher and tell her

all your

> concerns, just like you have here to us. Be very open and honest.

You know

> your child better than anyone. There are alot of times a child

will be quiet

> and reserved at school, but the minute they get home, they have

problems. You

> say this teacher only has the child for two days. She doesn't see

them the

> other 5. So to make statements like that is ridiculous. I had this

problem

> with my childrens teacher. I was very nice about it, but I did not

take any

> of their mouth. This is my childrens education. I have 4 disabled

boys, ages

> 4, 5, 6, and 10. I got so tired of dealing with schools that I

pulled my kids

> out and now homeschool them. I discovered they are way smarter than

the

> school ever gave any of them credit for. Of course I always knew

they were.

> Also, listen to what the doctors say. This teacher doesn't have the

right to

> question diagnosis made by a medical doctor, unless she has some

secret

> medical degree. Anyway, stand your ground. I wish you all the best

and please

> keep us informed. Look forward to hearing more from you. God bless,

> Sharon(moderator)

[Guest guest]

rose,

Dr. Schulze says his liver/GB tincture will stop the pain of a GB attack

pronto. I believe it will quickly, for sure, but that would depend on

the severity of the case.

Last week a freind was visiting & complained of a GB pain. I gave her a

dose of the tincture, and in less than 10 minutes the pain was gone.

1-800-HERB-DOC

jim

gypsy rose wrote:

>

> I just spoke to my Grandmother in the hospital. She has Gallstones. It

> took them from Thursday until this morning to come to that conclusion. Of

> course they want to operate. I told her absolutely not. I will fly to

> Philly to help her with the cleanse if my Mom can't. Suggestions on

> anything else I can do for her in conjunction with the regular

> Liver/Gallbladder Cleanse (which incidentally I just did one myself this

> past weekend with great results) would really be appreciated. I don't know

> when the operation is scheduled for - she didn't know and Mom's at work

> right now, but I've left her a message too not to do the surgery. I am just

> shaking right now. I hope I can fix this. Thanks for your help. I really

> appreciate everyone on this list. Rose

>

> My Grandmother was admitted to the hospital last Thursday. She was dizzy

> and throwing up on Wednesday and when she fainted on Thursday and was still

> dizzy and weak and not feeling good, my Mom called an ambulance to come and

> get her. Last year she had fluid removed from her brain and they put in

> shunts? I don't know what those are, but they were put in during that

> operation. When she was admitted to the hospital last week, the first thing

> they thought was that the shunts were infected and causing her symptoms.

> After some testing, they couldn't find any signs of infection and still

> cannot find anything wrong with her. I spoke with her on the phone this

> morning and she is not doing well. She doesn't feel good and doesn't want

> to go home even though she hates being in the hospital. This is not like

> her. I'm really worried when the doctors and the tests can't come up with

> anything. Where do we go from here? They are ready to send her home

> because they can't find anything wrong with her.

> Rose

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[Guest guest]

My daughter is now 9 years old. She was diagnosed with OCD at 5. We started

out at 10 mg prozac, but the handwashing persisted. It took 6 months to get

her up to 40 mg of prozac a day. Handwashing disappeared. Just over a year

ago, her anxiety increased and other OCD behaviors. She was seeing a

psychologist, but was not making any progress because of her anxiety. We

increased to

60 mg and she has been wonderful. She also has grown since first diagnosed,

which needs to be addressed periodically with children. I'm also having her

see a occupational therapist to help her tune her body. She wasn't bad enough

for the school to deal with it, but she is borderline in many areas. The OT

has helped her confidence tremendously. Moms particularly know when things are

not right with their children. It's finding the right resource to understand

what you are seeing.

in Texas

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: jrfan21502

Hello and welcome! You wrote:

>Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

SSI.

*****I'm sorry, I don't understand about this part, was the SSI for behavior

training or what? I know of some older kids and adults who receive SSI benefits

due to being unable to work due to OCD, but not sure how this would apply to a

child.

>Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression.

*****There are several different SSRIs and another one may work better for

your child, or she may benefit from an increased dose of the Prozac (fewer

symptoms and behaviors.) Rather than the Xanax, has your doctor considered

Risperdal for her? My child takes this for tics and impulsivity, several have

also mentioned that it lessens aggression. Kids with OCD may become aggressive

when their compulsions are interfered with, so again addressing the OCD with

more Prozac or a different SSRI may also lessen aggression due to high OCD

symptoms. Also, if the aggression is new behavior for her that started since the

Prozac and Xanax, one of these meds may be causing the aggression.

>School

will be starting again soon and she nor her father and I can not be

ready for what will follow a " normal " day at school. The school

observed her on a few occasions. They stated she has a messy desk

and answered questions . And that children with OCD do not have

messy desks and do not answer questions out loud.

*****This would be news to my daughter's teachers. The main thing they do

notice about her is that she has a messy desk and talks too much. Your school

is showing their ignorance about OCD and the fact that there are many types of

obsessions and compulsions, a need for order is not always among these. They

also seem to be confusing a shy or quiet personality with the anxiety disorder

of OCD. My daughter is very outgoing and outspoken, yet does have OCD. Many

kids with OCD manage to hold things together at school, then " explode " once

home, this is absolutely not due to the " problem " being at home, rather at home

the child feels safe to let go.

Can't the diagnosing doctor intercede on your child's behalf? I have been

amazed at the change in attitude of teachers once my daughter's psychiatrist

explained OCD to them and answered some of their questions.

>She has had a phy

eval and a edu eval they state she is average. I dont understand

how that can be when I see her struggle. I requested a 504 and was

denied because the teacher said she is normal not a behavioral

problem and maybe all the problems are at home.

*****Most OCD kids are normal intelligence or above, but their test scores and

grades may not show this for various reasons due to the OCD: difficulty with

writing, attention, compulsions that interfere with test-taking, etc. Homework

can be nearly impossible due to OCD compulsions such as repeating, checking,

perfectionism, handwriting compulsions, on and on. My child has an IEP which

allows her accommodations such as longer time to take tests, turn in homework

late without penalty, things such as this.

>We have a very

loving family life . I hate when the put the blame on us.

*****Please don't accept blame or waste any time worrying about the teacher's

remarks, these show ignorance of OCD. OCD is a biochemical brain disorder and

is not caused by poor parenting. Also you can not cure OCD by improving family

life, I wish that were true! Much simpler than figuring out meds, therapy and

so on :-)

Seriously, the idea that OCD or any brain disorder is caused by poor parenting

or bad home life has been thoughoughly disproved. It shouldn't be hard to find

a book or other source which states this for the teacher. She just needs pulled

into the current century in her thinking about OCD.

>She will

not talk about friends I dont know any children in her class. If

you ask her do you have friends she will say yes tell you two family

friends names and a neighbor could not tell you the last time she

saw or talked to them. She has many unusal behaviors. Please

someone direct me in the right direction.

*****OCD can affect any area of a child's life including socially such as

interacting with friends. Lots of us here have noticed our children withdrawing

from friends and socializing due to OCD. It seems from what you've written that

your daughter's OCD is still prominent enough that it is interfering to a

considerable degree with her functioning in several areas. Again I would

suggest speaking with her psychiatrist about needing to fine tune her meds and

that she's still pretty symptomatic with OCD, depression and now aggression.

Also, you could ask about Cognitive Behavior Therapy for her. This therapy

actually reduces or eliminates OCD obsessions and compulsions. The combo of the

right SSRI at the right dose, coupled with CBT has significantly reduced my 9

year old's OCD symptoms.

Take care and good luck,

Kathy R. in Indiana

[Guest guest]

----- Original Message -----

From: jrfan21502

Hello and welcome! You wrote:

>Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

SSI.

*****I'm sorry, I don't understand about this part, was the SSI for behavior

training or what? I know of some older kids and adults who receive SSI benefits

due to being unable to work due to OCD, but not sure how this would apply to a

child.

>Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression.

*****There are several different SSRIs and another one may work better for

your child, or she may benefit from an increased dose of the Prozac (fewer

symptoms and behaviors.) Rather than the Xanax, has your doctor considered

Risperdal for her? My child takes this for tics and impulsivity, several have

also mentioned that it lessens aggression. Kids with OCD may become aggressive

when their compulsions are interfered with, so again addressing the OCD with

more Prozac or a different SSRI may also lessen aggression due to high OCD

symptoms. Also, if the aggression is new behavior for her that started since the

Prozac and Xanax, one of these meds may be causing the aggression.

>School

will be starting again soon and she nor her father and I can not be

ready for what will follow a " normal " day at school. The school

observed her on a few occasions. They stated she has a messy desk

and answered questions . And that children with OCD do not have

messy desks and do not answer questions out loud.

*****This would be news to my daughter's teachers. The main thing they do

notice about her is that she has a messy desk and talks too much. Your school

is showing their ignorance about OCD and the fact that there are many types of

obsessions and compulsions, a need for order is not always among these. They

also seem to be confusing a shy or quiet personality with the anxiety disorder

of OCD. My daughter is very outgoing and outspoken, yet does have OCD. Many

kids with OCD manage to hold things together at school, then " explode " once

home, this is absolutely not due to the " problem " being at home, rather at home

the child feels safe to let go.

Can't the diagnosing doctor intercede on your child's behalf? I have been

amazed at the change in attitude of teachers once my daughter's psychiatrist

explained OCD to them and answered some of their questions.

>She has had a phy

eval and a edu eval they state she is average. I dont understand

how that can be when I see her struggle. I requested a 504 and was

denied because the teacher said she is normal not a behavioral

problem and maybe all the problems are at home.

*****Most OCD kids are normal intelligence or above, but their test scores and

grades may not show this for various reasons due to the OCD: difficulty with

writing, attention, compulsions that interfere with test-taking, etc. Homework

can be nearly impossible due to OCD compulsions such as repeating, checking,

perfectionism, handwriting compulsions, on and on. My child has an IEP which

allows her accommodations such as longer time to take tests, turn in homework

late without penalty, things such as this.

>We have a very

loving family life . I hate when the put the blame on us.

*****Please don't accept blame or waste any time worrying about the teacher's

remarks, these show ignorance of OCD. OCD is a biochemical brain disorder and

is not caused by poor parenting. Also you can not cure OCD by improving family

life, I wish that were true! Much simpler than figuring out meds, therapy and

so on :-)

Seriously, the idea that OCD or any brain disorder is caused by poor parenting

or bad home life has been thoughoughly disproved. It shouldn't be hard to find

a book or other source which states this for the teacher. She just needs pulled

into the current century in her thinking about OCD.

>She will

not talk about friends I dont know any children in her class. If

you ask her do you have friends she will say yes tell you two family

friends names and a neighbor could not tell you the last time she

saw or talked to them. She has many unusal behaviors. Please

someone direct me in the right direction.

*****OCD can affect any area of a child's life including socially such as

interacting with friends. Lots of us here have noticed our children withdrawing

from friends and socializing due to OCD. It seems from what you've written that

your daughter's OCD is still prominent enough that it is interfering to a

considerable degree with her functioning in several areas. Again I would

suggest speaking with her psychiatrist about needing to fine tune her meds and

that she's still pretty symptomatic with OCD, depression and now aggression.

Also, you could ask about Cognitive Behavior Therapy for her. This therapy

actually reduces or eliminates OCD obsessions and compulsions. The combo of the

right SSRI at the right dose, coupled with CBT has significantly reduced my 9

year old's OCD symptoms.

Take care and good luck,

Kathy R. in Indiana

[Guest guest]

Hi, I meant to say in my first post, that depending on how long your daughter

has been taking the Prozac, she may not yet be receiving all the benefit she

will. SSRIs take as much as 6-8 weeks or so at the correct dose before fully

" kicking in. " This wait can seem interminable I know when your child is

suffering, but there is really no way to hurry it along. :-/

Take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: jrfan21502

Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

SSI. Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression.<snip>

[Guest guest]

In the US, Xanax is a schedule IV controlled substance, which means it is

recognized to have addictive qualities, just not as " severe " as schedule III

drugs. The source I read did speak more to psychological dependence rather than

physical--and stated it is to be used for anxiety in the short term (while

waiting for an SSRI to kick in perhaps) but not longer than 8 months and not in

anyone younger than 18 years, also not to treat OCD. Huh.

Actually I was surprised to read that Xanax was considered to have only mild

addictive potential--it is after all a benzodiazepine like Valium.

I'm so sorry your daughter had such a rough time with this med. Years ago, I

had a good friend who returned to drug treatment four times before kicking her

addiction to Xanax, but I have no idea if this was considered a physical or

psychological addiction to the med.

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: Tina - AffordableHOST.com

My opinion, for what its worth, is that Xanax is a bad, bad drug. My

daughter was on it for about 8 months and slowly built up a tolerance to it.

The dosage was repeatedly increased...until she was totally addicted to it.

They say you can't get addicted to Xanax...but I saw it first hand. The

only time I ever saw anyone go through withdrawl syptoms like that, when we

weened her off, was when my ex-brother in law went into rehab for crack

cocaine.

--Tina

[Guest guest]

My opinion, for what its worth, is that Xanax is a bad, bad drug. My

daughter was on it for about 8 months and slowly built up a tolerance to it.

The dosage was repeatedly increased...until she was totally addicted to it.

They say you can't get addicted to Xanax...but I saw it first hand. The

only time I ever saw anyone go through withdrawl syptoms like that, when we

weened her off, was when my ex-brother in law went into rehab for crack

cocaine.

--Tina

[Guest guest]

My opinion, for what its worth, is that Xanax is a bad, bad drug. My

daughter was on it for about 8 months and slowly built up a tolerance to it.

The dosage was repeatedly increased...until she was totally addicted to it.

They say you can't get addicted to Xanax...but I saw it first hand. The

only time I ever saw anyone go through withdrawl syptoms like that, when we

weened her off, was when my ex-brother in law went into rehab for crack

cocaine.

--Tina

[Guest guest]

The doctor that prescribed it for her...and refused to take her off it,

instead kept rasing the dosage, is no longer our doctor. The first thing

our new doctor did is lecture me on why NEVER should have been given

Xanax in the first place...and certainly never should have been dosage

increased over an 8 month period. She's been off it now for almost a year,

but had a minor set back last month. She had almost continuous thoughts of

trying to get more Xanax to get through it.

Yeah, the smoker who quit 10 years ago is no longer physically addicted to

nicotine. But I don't know of any who still don't have the occassional

craving to have one. They say nicotine is just as addictive as heroin. I

bet Xanax is right up there with them.

Again, in my opinion, Xanax is a BAD BAD drug.

--Tina

> In the US, Xanax is a schedule IV controlled substance, which means it is

recognized to have addictive qualities, just not as " severe " as schedule III

drugs. The source I read did speak more to psychological dependence rather

than physical--and stated it is to be used for anxiety in the short term

(while waiting for an SSRI to kick in perhaps) but not longer than 8 months

and not in anyone younger than 18 years, also not to treat OCD. Huh.

>

> Actually I was surprised to read that Xanax was considered to have only

mild addictive potential--it is after all a benzodiazepine like Valium.

>

> I'm so sorry your daughter had such a rough time with this med. Years

ago, I had a good friend who returned to drug treatment four times before

kicking her addiction to Xanax, but I have no idea if this was considered a

physical or psychological addiction to the med.

>

> Kathy R. in Indiana

[Guest guest]

Hi, welcome! I have a 14 yr old son diagnosed with OCD and also

HFA/Aspergers (up there with PDD).

Can you give me some insight into what you consider her OCD

behaviors? Why was PDD ruled out?

As others have stated, the school is showing their ignorance about

OCD. I know back when my son was diagnosed (6th grade, he'll now be

in 9th) the counselor at school knew of one child who had the OCD

contamination problems and she stated meds did wonderful for that;

but my son had no contamination behaviors. So basically they just

had to take my word (and the neurologist's who diagnosed it) that his

problems were from his OCD. We did set up a 504 Plan to accommodate

his needs.

Right now we are finally looking at prescription medication for my

son. His OCD has waxed and waned these past years and right now is

REALLY waxing. Did you notice more aggression after the medication

began with your daughter, any before at all?

He won't be ready for school when it begins either (August 7). He

has always managed to get thru the school days OK though his peers do

notice things/behaviors, I'm sure. But once home, some days it is

like it just all comes out. As someone stated, our children

feel " safe " at home and plus they really have to be worn out

from " holding back " all day. Only a few of 's teachers these

past years have noticed " something. " Most notice nothing that they

can relate to OCD or think it's laziness or not trying or whatever.

is very bright (school test scores show that luckily) and his

OCD deals hard with him when it comes to schoolwork.

Due to 's HFA/Aspergers he also has a hard time socially. No

friends tho he'll say he has some. WILL answer questions at

school and he is also one of the messiest kids I know. VERY

unorganized and also a pretty sloppy eater. He's always been that

way.

He did receive occupational therapy for his fine/gross motor skills,

that was a big help. Any problems with your daughter in that area?

Do you know of anyone in your area who specializes in OCD and

treatment? Or even Autism (since she did have a PDD diagnosis)?

Well, I know this is getting kind of long. Just wanted you to know

you are not alone in all this!

- single mom, 3 sons -

> Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

> depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

> PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

> SSI. Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

> through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

> school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

> tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

> put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

> are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression. School

[Guest guest]

Hi, welcome! I have a 14 yr old son diagnosed with OCD and also

HFA/Aspergers (up there with PDD).

Can you give me some insight into what you consider her OCD

behaviors? Why was PDD ruled out?

As others have stated, the school is showing their ignorance about

OCD. I know back when my son was diagnosed (6th grade, he'll now be

in 9th) the counselor at school knew of one child who had the OCD

contamination problems and she stated meds did wonderful for that;

but my son had no contamination behaviors. So basically they just

had to take my word (and the neurologist's who diagnosed it) that his

problems were from his OCD. We did set up a 504 Plan to accommodate

his needs.

Right now we are finally looking at prescription medication for my

son. His OCD has waxed and waned these past years and right now is

REALLY waxing. Did you notice more aggression after the medication

began with your daughter, any before at all?

He won't be ready for school when it begins either (August 7). He

has always managed to get thru the school days OK though his peers do

notice things/behaviors, I'm sure. But once home, some days it is

like it just all comes out. As someone stated, our children

feel " safe " at home and plus they really have to be worn out

from " holding back " all day. Only a few of 's teachers these

past years have noticed " something. " Most notice nothing that they

can relate to OCD or think it's laziness or not trying or whatever.

is very bright (school test scores show that luckily) and his

OCD deals hard with him when it comes to schoolwork.

Due to 's HFA/Aspergers he also has a hard time socially. No

friends tho he'll say he has some. WILL answer questions at

school and he is also one of the messiest kids I know. VERY

unorganized and also a pretty sloppy eater. He's always been that

way.

He did receive occupational therapy for his fine/gross motor skills,

that was a big help. Any problems with your daughter in that area?

Do you know of anyone in your area who specializes in OCD and

treatment? Or even Autism (since she did have a PDD diagnosis)?

Well, I know this is getting kind of long. Just wanted you to know

you are not alone in all this!

- single mom, 3 sons -

> Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

> depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

> PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

> SSI. Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

> through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

> school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

> tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

> put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

> are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression. School

[Guest guest]

Hi, welcome! I have a 14 yr old son diagnosed with OCD and also

HFA/Aspergers (up there with PDD).

Can you give me some insight into what you consider her OCD

behaviors? Why was PDD ruled out?

As others have stated, the school is showing their ignorance about

OCD. I know back when my son was diagnosed (6th grade, he'll now be

in 9th) the counselor at school knew of one child who had the OCD

contamination problems and she stated meds did wonderful for that;

but my son had no contamination behaviors. So basically they just

had to take my word (and the neurologist's who diagnosed it) that his

problems were from his OCD. We did set up a 504 Plan to accommodate

his needs.

Right now we are finally looking at prescription medication for my

son. His OCD has waxed and waned these past years and right now is

REALLY waxing. Did you notice more aggression after the medication

began with your daughter, any before at all?

He won't be ready for school when it begins either (August 7). He

has always managed to get thru the school days OK though his peers do

notice things/behaviors, I'm sure. But once home, some days it is

like it just all comes out. As someone stated, our children

feel " safe " at home and plus they really have to be worn out

from " holding back " all day. Only a few of 's teachers these

past years have noticed " something. " Most notice nothing that they

can relate to OCD or think it's laziness or not trying or whatever.

is very bright (school test scores show that luckily) and his

OCD deals hard with him when it comes to schoolwork.

Due to 's HFA/Aspergers he also has a hard time socially. No

friends tho he'll say he has some. WILL answer questions at

school and he is also one of the messiest kids I know. VERY

unorganized and also a pretty sloppy eater. He's always been that

way.

He did receive occupational therapy for his fine/gross motor skills,

that was a big help. Any problems with your daughter in that area?

Do you know of anyone in your area who specializes in OCD and

treatment? Or even Autism (since she did have a PDD diagnosis)?

Well, I know this is getting kind of long. Just wanted you to know

you are not alone in all this!

- single mom, 3 sons -

> Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

> depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

> PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

> SSI. Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

> through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

> school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

> tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

> put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

> are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression. School

[Guest guest]

Hi Jrfan:

Sometimes our kids have paradoxical responses to their meds. How

long has your daughter been on Prozac? When our son, Steve, first

went on meds he had a very activating response and behaved with

aggression and marked agitation. We wondered desperately for over

two months how long it would take to see improvement. Unfortunately

he was titrated up on his dosage way too fast. Each person responds

to meds in their own way and a high dosage for one person may be too

low for another.

I would encourage you to find a knowledgeable and experienced set of

docs, psychiatrist and psychologist, who can help you with the

school. As others on the list have said it sounds like the school

does not know much about OCD. Many kids with OCD are classified 504,

Steve used to be until he decided he would not participate any more.

Others are under IDEA, it depends on what the child needs. OCD is

OHI - other health impaired. We also got a tremendous run around at

the school in 1997 when our son was first diagnosed....now they know

more how to deal with kids with NBDs.

As for the messy desk - since when was that a defnitive symptom for

anything :-) ?

Kids with OCD are well known for behaving acceptably at school and

then decompensating at home. OCD is a cruel disorder that attacks

sufferers most when and where they feel most at ease (if you can use

that word to describe someone suffering from untreated OCD). Steve

was mr. perfect at school (not unusual with OCD) and hell on wheels

at home when he was first ill. Remember you are the expert on your

daughter, you know her better than anyone.

One of the best pieces of advice I got in the early days was to watch

Steve's depression closely. Managing your daughter's mood will be an

important key to getting her OCD treated. The first line treatment

for OCD in children is not meds but CBT, specifically E & RP - exposure

and response prevention. WHen you can get this treatment for your

daughter you will be amazed at the improvement.

Hugs to you for being blamed about all this. OCD is a no-fault brain

disorder. I like that book by Dr. Koplewicz, " It's Nobody's Fault " .

I was also blamed for Steve's illness and it really hurt me at the

time. Now I can laugh about being considered Munchausen's by proxy,

but it distracted my attention from what I really needed to be doing

to help my son. I hope you can find helpful docs who will support

you in the journey to help your daughter get her life back from OCD

and depression. Take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathy.hi@...

> Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

> depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

> PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

> SSI. Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

> through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

> school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

> tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

> put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

> are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression. School

> will be starting again soon and she nor her father and I can not be

> ready for what will follow a " normal " day at school. The school

> observed her on a few occasions. They stated she has a messy desk

> and answered questions . And that children with OCD do not have

> messy desks and do not answer questions out loud. She has had a

phy

> eval and a edu eval they state she is average. I dont understand

> how that can be when I see her struggle. I requested a 504 and was

> denied because the teacher said she is normal not a behavioral

> problem and maybe all the problems are at home. We have a very

> loving family life . I hate when the put the blame on us. She

will

> not talk about friends I dont know any children in her class. If

> you ask her do you have friends she will say yes tell you two

family

> friends names and a neighbor could not tell you the last time she

> saw or talked to them. She has many unusal behaviors. Please

> someone direct me in the right direction.

>

> Thank YOu

> jrfan21502

[Guest guest]

Hi Jrfan:

Sometimes our kids have paradoxical responses to their meds. How

long has your daughter been on Prozac? When our son, Steve, first

went on meds he had a very activating response and behaved with

aggression and marked agitation. We wondered desperately for over

two months how long it would take to see improvement. Unfortunately

he was titrated up on his dosage way too fast. Each person responds

to meds in their own way and a high dosage for one person may be too

low for another.

I would encourage you to find a knowledgeable and experienced set of

docs, psychiatrist and psychologist, who can help you with the

school. As others on the list have said it sounds like the school

does not know much about OCD. Many kids with OCD are classified 504,

Steve used to be until he decided he would not participate any more.

Others are under IDEA, it depends on what the child needs. OCD is

OHI - other health impaired. We also got a tremendous run around at

the school in 1997 when our son was first diagnosed....now they know

more how to deal with kids with NBDs.

As for the messy desk - since when was that a defnitive symptom for

anything :-) ?

Kids with OCD are well known for behaving acceptably at school and

then decompensating at home. OCD is a cruel disorder that attacks

sufferers most when and where they feel most at ease (if you can use

that word to describe someone suffering from untreated OCD). Steve

was mr. perfect at school (not unusual with OCD) and hell on wheels

at home when he was first ill. Remember you are the expert on your

daughter, you know her better than anyone.

One of the best pieces of advice I got in the early days was to watch

Steve's depression closely. Managing your daughter's mood will be an

important key to getting her OCD treated. The first line treatment

for OCD in children is not meds but CBT, specifically E & RP - exposure

and response prevention. WHen you can get this treatment for your

daughter you will be amazed at the improvement.

Hugs to you for being blamed about all this. OCD is a no-fault brain

disorder. I like that book by Dr. Koplewicz, " It's Nobody's Fault " .

I was also blamed for Steve's illness and it really hurt me at the

time. Now I can laugh about being considered Munchausen's by proxy,

but it distracted my attention from what I really needed to be doing

to help my son. I hope you can find helpful docs who will support

you in the journey to help your daughter get her life back from OCD

and depression. Take care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathy.hi@...

> Hi my 8 year old daughter was recently diagnosed with ocd and

> depression. She was receiving SSI because the drs thought she had

> PDD. Now that she has a correct diagnosis they have taken away her

> SSI. Also I cant get anyone to listen to what this baby goes

> through in a day. The school states she is a normal child during

> school but that is not what I see. I have taken her for so many

> tests and seen so many drs. I feel no one is listening. The drs

> put her on prozac and xanax. Which has help some. But now things

> are getting worse. she is depressed and shows aggression. School

> will be starting again soon and she nor her father and I can not be

> ready for what will follow a " normal " day at school. The school

> observed her on a few occasions. They stated she has a messy desk

> and answered questions . And that children with OCD do not have

> messy desks and do not answer questions out loud. She has had a

phy

> eval and a edu eval they state she is average. I dont understand

> how that can be when I see her struggle. I requested a 504 and was

> denied because the teacher said she is normal not a behavioral

> problem and maybe all the problems are at home. We have a very

> loving family life . I hate when the put the blame on us. She

will

> not talk about friends I dont know any children in her class. If

> you ask her do you have friends she will say yes tell you two

family

> friends names and a neighbor could not tell you the last time she

> saw or talked to them. She has many unusal behaviors. Please

> someone direct me in the right direction.

>

> Thank YOu

> jrfan21502

[Guest guest]

Janet,

My heart goes out to you and I wanted to offer a couple of suggestions.

I'm brand new at this and have never encountered this problem, so pardon

me if these sound naive.

My first thought was to try a different kind of shirt. If he threw up on

a plain-colored Tshirt, try a button-down hawaiin shirt. Something as

different as possible. Maybe even buying a new shirt that was

" guaranteed " not to have that problem. Or borrowing a shirt from a

friend/sibling that doesn't throw up.

The other thing would be to accept his situation and pack another shirt

and and a throw up bag in his backpack. Maybe that would help him feel

reassured that he would have options if he truly was sick. Give him

permission to go to the nurse and hope for the best. The peer pressure

at school might force him to keep his shirt on.

Hopefully someone with more experience has some better suggestions. I

give you credit for not losing your mind. Sometimes I think that's the

best we can do.

Sue in Phoenix

6 year old daughter with OCD

Janet B wrote:

> HI everyone

>

> I am having a problem with right now and I need some help. He

> was sick about a month and a half ago. Where he was vomitting and

> nausea. One night he actually vomitted while sleeping, obviously

> waking to it. Anyway, it was on his shirt. Since then, he has not

> been able to wear a shirt without gagging and running to the bathroom

> thinking he is going to throw up. Yet he doesn't. I think he is

> associating the vomitting with the shirts. He starts school in one

> week, I have no idea what I am suppose to do. He can't last an hour

> with a shirt on when we go out. He has to rip it off in the car.

> What will he do all day at school. Anyone with any suggestions would

> be appreciated. I don't know what to do. I almost lost it on him

> earlier, but I didn't. I have tried to explain to him that it isn't

> going to happen again, and that it wasn't the shirt that made him

> throw up. Well, thanks.

>

> Janet

>

> P.S. for anyone who doesn't know is 8 and has OCD, TS, SID.

>

>

>

>

> ---------------------------------

> Post your free ad now! Yahoo! Canada Personals

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet, I know I keep suggesting basically the same thing: Exposure and

Response Prevention to the " feared thing " which will minimize and eventually

extinguish the " vomit " feelings your child has whenever he puts on a shirt. You

wrote:

> Anyway, it was on his shirt. Since then, he has not been able to wear a

shirt without gagging and running to the bathroom thinking he is going to throw

up. Yet he doesn't. I think he is associating the vomitting with the shirts.

*****This seems pretty likely, and makes a lot of " OCD sense " keeping in mind

that OCD-type associations and contamination fears often don't make sense here

in the real world. (Kids are usually aware of this btw though the feelings are

so awful they can't see how they can *not* do the compulsion.) Have you asked

him what he's worried about or why he is refusing to wear shirts?

> He starts school in one week, I have no idea what I am suppose to do. He

can't last an hour with a shirt on when we go out. He has to rip it off in the

car. What will he do all day at school.

*****With these types of clothing avoidance and fear responses (my child had

many at ages 5 and 6 and 7)we used gradually increasing exposures, and since

school starts in one week, I suggest you do these exposures several times each

day. Just tell that of course he has to wear shirts once school

starts--once summer weather passes too--and weird as it seems the way to make

the bad feelings and worries about vomiting go away and stop bothering him is to

practice wearing shirts for longer and longer periods of time. Make sure he

knows that by doing this, the bad feelings will go away. My daughter didn't

understand to begin with that doing exposures would make the bad feelings stop

and *she* would feel better. She thought this was just to make other people

happy but that she would still be miserable and afraid.

If he can already wear a shirt for an hour or so then he has a good start.

Start the exposures for a period of time that he finds a bit of a stretch, but

not so long that he's ripping the shirt off in a panic before the time is up.

Once he's wearing a shirt for X amount of time without too much anxiety, then

increase the time interval, and keep this up until he is no longer anxious about

wearing shirts.

If there is a certain shirt or type of shirt he finds less upsetting right

now, start with that one. I hope you kept the original shirt he was wearing

when he got sick, when he can wear that one he will no longer be having problems

with shirts.

> Anyone with any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't know what to do.

*****LOL I asked my 9-year-old daughter about 's problem last night.

She said basically what I did above, but wanted you to not forget that this is

really hard and so you should give rewards, such as Pokemon cards or

whatever his favorite things are for doing all this hard bossing back. :-) She

also said candy works well as a reward too but thought a boy who was thinking he

may vomit may not be looking forward to eating candy right then.

> I almost lost it on him earlier, but I didn't. I have tried to explain to

him that it isn't going to happen again, and that it wasn't the shirt that made

him throw up. Well, thanks.

*****Good for you, the irrationality of OCD obsessions and compulsions can be

so very frustrating that it can be really hard to remember the kids do not want

to be doing these things either. I'm not surprised that explaining that wearing

shirts will not make him vomit again, there is just no logic to OCD. It's a

feeling thing, it feels bad and wrong and frightening to go against what OCD is

commanding.

Good luck, take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

p.s. Kel's dx is OCD and tics (not continual enough to qualify for a dx of

TS). She has had DSI symptoms from birth, some are still remaining, these

exploded in intensity with Kel's OCD onset. The above approach worked well to

reduce and eliminate Kel's many clothing aversions. I have never known if Kel

had DSI or OCD or both types of issues with the various items of clothing. In

any case our two children have a similar cluster of symptoms, and the ERP

approach worked very well and fairly quickly too.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet, I know I keep suggesting basically the same thing: Exposure and

Response Prevention to the " feared thing " which will minimize and eventually

extinguish the " vomit " feelings your child has whenever he puts on a shirt. You

wrote:

> Anyway, it was on his shirt. Since then, he has not been able to wear a

shirt without gagging and running to the bathroom thinking he is going to throw

up. Yet he doesn't. I think he is associating the vomitting with the shirts.

*****This seems pretty likely, and makes a lot of " OCD sense " keeping in mind

that OCD-type associations and contamination fears often don't make sense here

in the real world. (Kids are usually aware of this btw though the feelings are

so awful they can't see how they can *not* do the compulsion.) Have you asked

him what he's worried about or why he is refusing to wear shirts?

> He starts school in one week, I have no idea what I am suppose to do. He

can't last an hour with a shirt on when we go out. He has to rip it off in the

car. What will he do all day at school.

*****With these types of clothing avoidance and fear responses (my child had

many at ages 5 and 6 and 7)we used gradually increasing exposures, and since

school starts in one week, I suggest you do these exposures several times each

day. Just tell that of course he has to wear shirts once school

starts--once summer weather passes too--and weird as it seems the way to make

the bad feelings and worries about vomiting go away and stop bothering him is to

practice wearing shirts for longer and longer periods of time. Make sure he

knows that by doing this, the bad feelings will go away. My daughter didn't

understand to begin with that doing exposures would make the bad feelings stop

and *she* would feel better. She thought this was just to make other people

happy but that she would still be miserable and afraid.

If he can already wear a shirt for an hour or so then he has a good start.

Start the exposures for a period of time that he finds a bit of a stretch, but

not so long that he's ripping the shirt off in a panic before the time is up.

Once he's wearing a shirt for X amount of time without too much anxiety, then

increase the time interval, and keep this up until he is no longer anxious about

wearing shirts.

If there is a certain shirt or type of shirt he finds less upsetting right

now, start with that one. I hope you kept the original shirt he was wearing

when he got sick, when he can wear that one he will no longer be having problems

with shirts.

> Anyone with any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't know what to do.

*****LOL I asked my 9-year-old daughter about 's problem last night.

She said basically what I did above, but wanted you to not forget that this is

really hard and so you should give rewards, such as Pokemon cards or

whatever his favorite things are for doing all this hard bossing back. :-) She

also said candy works well as a reward too but thought a boy who was thinking he

may vomit may not be looking forward to eating candy right then.

> I almost lost it on him earlier, but I didn't. I have tried to explain to

him that it isn't going to happen again, and that it wasn't the shirt that made

him throw up. Well, thanks.

*****Good for you, the irrationality of OCD obsessions and compulsions can be

so very frustrating that it can be really hard to remember the kids do not want

to be doing these things either. I'm not surprised that explaining that wearing

shirts will not make him vomit again, there is just no logic to OCD. It's a

feeling thing, it feels bad and wrong and frightening to go against what OCD is

commanding.

Good luck, take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

p.s. Kel's dx is OCD and tics (not continual enough to qualify for a dx of

TS). She has had DSI symptoms from birth, some are still remaining, these

exploded in intensity with Kel's OCD onset. The above approach worked well to

reduce and eliminate Kel's many clothing aversions. I have never known if Kel

had DSI or OCD or both types of issues with the various items of clothing. In

any case our two children have a similar cluster of symptoms, and the ERP

approach worked very well and fairly quickly too.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet, I know I keep suggesting basically the same thing: Exposure and

Response Prevention to the " feared thing " which will minimize and eventually

extinguish the " vomit " feelings your child has whenever he puts on a shirt. You

wrote:

> Anyway, it was on his shirt. Since then, he has not been able to wear a

shirt without gagging and running to the bathroom thinking he is going to throw

up. Yet he doesn't. I think he is associating the vomitting with the shirts.

*****This seems pretty likely, and makes a lot of " OCD sense " keeping in mind

that OCD-type associations and contamination fears often don't make sense here

in the real world. (Kids are usually aware of this btw though the feelings are

so awful they can't see how they can *not* do the compulsion.) Have you asked

him what he's worried about or why he is refusing to wear shirts?

> He starts school in one week, I have no idea what I am suppose to do. He

can't last an hour with a shirt on when we go out. He has to rip it off in the

car. What will he do all day at school.

*****With these types of clothing avoidance and fear responses (my child had

many at ages 5 and 6 and 7)we used gradually increasing exposures, and since

school starts in one week, I suggest you do these exposures several times each

day. Just tell that of course he has to wear shirts once school

starts--once summer weather passes too--and weird as it seems the way to make

the bad feelings and worries about vomiting go away and stop bothering him is to

practice wearing shirts for longer and longer periods of time. Make sure he

knows that by doing this, the bad feelings will go away. My daughter didn't

understand to begin with that doing exposures would make the bad feelings stop

and *she* would feel better. She thought this was just to make other people

happy but that she would still be miserable and afraid.

If he can already wear a shirt for an hour or so then he has a good start.

Start the exposures for a period of time that he finds a bit of a stretch, but

not so long that he's ripping the shirt off in a panic before the time is up.

Once he's wearing a shirt for X amount of time without too much anxiety, then

increase the time interval, and keep this up until he is no longer anxious about

wearing shirts.

If there is a certain shirt or type of shirt he finds less upsetting right

now, start with that one. I hope you kept the original shirt he was wearing

when he got sick, when he can wear that one he will no longer be having problems

with shirts.

> Anyone with any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't know what to do.

*****LOL I asked my 9-year-old daughter about 's problem last night.

She said basically what I did above, but wanted you to not forget that this is

really hard and so you should give rewards, such as Pokemon cards or

whatever his favorite things are for doing all this hard bossing back. :-) She

also said candy works well as a reward too but thought a boy who was thinking he

may vomit may not be looking forward to eating candy right then.

> I almost lost it on him earlier, but I didn't. I have tried to explain to

him that it isn't going to happen again, and that it wasn't the shirt that made

him throw up. Well, thanks.

*****Good for you, the irrationality of OCD obsessions and compulsions can be

so very frustrating that it can be really hard to remember the kids do not want

to be doing these things either. I'm not surprised that explaining that wearing

shirts will not make him vomit again, there is just no logic to OCD. It's a

feeling thing, it feels bad and wrong and frightening to go against what OCD is

commanding.

Good luck, take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

p.s. Kel's dx is OCD and tics (not continual enough to qualify for a dx of

TS). She has had DSI symptoms from birth, some are still remaining, these

exploded in intensity with Kel's OCD onset. The above approach worked well to

reduce and eliminate Kel's many clothing aversions. I have never known if Kel

had DSI or OCD or both types of issues with the various items of clothing. In

any case our two children have a similar cluster of symptoms, and the ERP

approach worked very well and fairly quickly too.

[Guest guest]

Thanks to everyone that responded. I appreciate the advice, I will definately

try those suggestions. Sometimes it is hard to make sense of these things they

do. But I am trying. Right now is wearing a button up shirt, yet

unbuttoned half way down. It is not the shirt itself, he can't wear a single

normal t-shirt anymore. I think I will try but getting him to start with

buttoning it up one button at a time, as he can. Then maybe when I get it fully

buttoned, I will try to reintroduce t-shirts.

I will let you all know how he does. thanks

Janet

P.S. Kathy you are right they do have similar symtoms. Please thank Kel for

her advice:). And tell her I really appreciate it. Sometimes a point of view

from someone going through similar things is a great help.

Kathy wrote:

Hi Janet, I know I keep suggesting basically the same thing: Exposure and

Response Prevention to the " feared thing " which will minimize and eventually

extinguish the " vomit " feelings your child has whenever he puts on a shirt. You

wrote:

> Anyway, it was on his shirt. Since then, he has not been able to wear a

shirt without gagging and running to the bathroom thinking he is going to throw

up. Yet he doesn't. I think he is associating the vomitting with the shirts.

*****This seems pretty likely, and makes a lot of " OCD sense " keeping in mind

that OCD-type associations and contamination fears often don't make sense here

in the real world. (Kids are usually aware of this btw though the feelings are

so awful they can't see how they can *not* do the compulsion.) Have you asked

him what he's worried about or why he is refusing to wear shirts?

> He starts school in one week, I have no idea what I am suppose to do. He

can't last an hour with a shirt on when we go out. He has to rip it off in the

car. What will he do all day at school.

*****With these types of clothing avoidance and fear responses (my child had

many at ages 5 and 6 and 7)we used gradually increasing exposures, and since

school starts in one week, I suggest you do these exposures several times each

day. Just tell that of course he has to wear shirts once school

starts--once summer weather passes too--and weird as it seems the way to make

the bad feelings and worries about vomiting go away and stop bothering him is to

practice wearing shirts for longer and longer periods of time. Make sure he

knows that by doing this, the bad feelings will go away. My daughter didn't

understand to begin with that doing exposures would make the bad feelings stop

and *she* would feel better. She thought this was just to make other people

happy but that she would still be miserable and afraid.

If he can already wear a shirt for an hour or so then he has a good start.

Start the exposures for a period of time that he finds a bit of a stretch, but

not so long that he's ripping the shirt off in a panic before the time is up.

Once he's wearing a shirt for X amount of time without too much anxiety, then

increase the time interval, and keep this up until he is no longer anxious about

wearing shirts.

If there is a certain shirt or type of shirt he finds less upsetting right

now, start with that one. I hope you kept the original shirt he was wearing

when he got sick, when he can wear that one he will no longer be having problems

with shirts.

> Anyone with any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't know what to do.

*****LOL I asked my 9-year-old daughter about 's problem last night.

She said basically what I did above, but wanted you to not forget that this is

really hard and so you should give rewards, such as Pokemon cards or

whatever his favorite things are for doing all this hard bossing back. :-) She

also said candy works well as a reward too but thought a boy who was thinking he

may vomit may not be looking forward to eating candy right then.

> I almost lost it on him earlier, but I didn't. I have tried to explain to

him that it isn't going to happen again, and that it wasn't the shirt that made

him throw up. Well, thanks.

*****Good for you, the irrationality of OCD obsessions and compulsions can be

so very frustrating that it can be really hard to remember the kids do not want

to be doing these things either. I'm not surprised that explaining that wearing

shirts will not make him vomit again, there is just no logic to OCD. It's a

feeling thing, it feels bad and wrong and frightening to go against what OCD is

commanding.

Good luck, take care,

Kathy R. in Indiana

p.s. Kel's dx is OCD and tics (not continual enough to qualify for a dx of

TS). She has had DSI symptoms from birth, some are still remaining, these

exploded in intensity with Kel's OCD onset. The above approach worked well to

reduce and eliminate Kel's many clothing aversions. I have never known if Kel

had DSI or OCD or both types of issues with the various items of clothing. In

any case our two children have a similar cluster of symptoms, and the ERP

approach worked very well and fairly quickly too.

[Guest guest]

Hi Janet, wearing a shirt partly buttoned but unable to wear a tee makes me

think he's fearing getting vomit on his shirt if he did vomit, rather that

wearing a tee may make him vomit. He'd be able to whip off a partly-buttoned

shirt quickly if he became nauseous--sort of an escape plan that is keeping his

anxiety over this lower? If so concentrating exposures on buttoning up the

shirt, button by button, sounds like a good approach. Sometimes it helps target

exposures if you can find out what aspect of a thing or situation is causing

anxiety, but with kids this can be tough.

I passed your thanks on to Kellen, she is glowing, and now wants you to pass on

to that he needs to get bossin', he surely doesn't want to get shown up

by a girl, right?? LOL

Kathy R. in Indiana

----- Original Message -----

From: Janet B

Thanks to everyone that responded. I appreciate the advice, I will

definately try those suggestions. Sometimes it is hard to make sense of these

things they do. But I am trying. Right now is wearing a button up

shirt, yet unbuttoned half way down. It is not the shirt itself, he can't wear

a single normal t-shirt anymore. I think I will try but getting him to start

with buttoning it up one button at a time, as he can. Then maybe when I get it

fully buttoned, I will try to reintroduce t-shirts.

I will let you all know how he does. thanks

Janet

P.S. Kathy you are right they do have similar symtoms. Please thank Kel for

her advice:). And tell her I really appreciate it. Sometimes a point of view

from someone going through similar things is a great help.

[Guest guest]

HI Janet:

Hugs to you. Does have a therapist working with him to address

this OC symptom? This must be a very difficult symptom for him to deal

with. It is not really something that a child with OCD can handle on

their own.

Unfortunately rationalizing about OC symptoms does not do much for a

sufferer. OCD is sending much more compelling and forceful

messages about his shirt and the problems with it than anything you can

say to reassure him and rationalize that things are A-OK.

When I would get our son home from school when his OCD was really

strong, he would strip entirely almost before he walked in the door to

our home. Learning that these fears were error messages from his brain

and that he could decide who is the boss, him or OCD, and face his fears

was what had to happen. It took quite a bit of time and a lot of

therapy but he has now learned to question his brain's error messages

and knows he can survive the powerful anxiety and fear that doing this

will provoke.

Our list docs have written some wonderful books on how we can parent our

children with OCD. Have you been able to read these much? They will

guide you about dealing with symptoms, even those that look as though

they are equal to school refusal.

Sometimes our kids can keep it together at school because of the

structure and their desire to fit in. This may help to wear a

shirt to school, but you will likely notice he is very stressed when he

gets home. The best way to deal with these difficult symptoms is to get

good treatment. Good luck, please keep us posted on his progress, take

care, aloha, Kathy (h)

kathy.hi@...

help

HI everyone

I am having a problem with right now and I need some help. He

was sick about a month and a half ago. Where he was vomitting and

nausea. One night he actually vomitted while sleeping, obviously waking

to it. Anyway, it was on his shirt. Since then, he has not been able

to wear a shirt without gagging and running to the bathroom thinking he

is going to throw up. Yet he doesn't. I think he is associating the

vomitting with the shirts. He starts school in one week, I have no idea

what I am suppose to do. He can't last an hour with a shirt on when we

go out. He has to rip it off in the car. What will he do all day at

school. Anyone with any suggestions would be appreciated. I don't know

what to do. I almost lost it on him earlier, but I didn't. I have

tried to explain to him that it isn't going to happen again, and that it

wasn't the shirt that made him throw up. Well, thanks.

Janet

P.S. for anyone who doesn't know is 8 and has OCD, TS, SID.

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I have an alternate day program for dumbbells

and bullworker

Monday: Weights with leg, Running (15 mins)

Tuesday: Yoga (extensive stretching and

lifting body weigh)

Wednesday: Upper Body with Weights

Thursday: Rest

Friday, Saturday and Sunday: Bullworker (I

have Indian Version Blue Handle bought in 80’s), Running (20 Mins),

Followed by Stretching

With Bullworker I follow routine recommended

by Bullworker, however on the 7th count I hold it for 10 seconds to

ensure, I am working my muscles fully.

The above routine has worked for me great, I

am in better shape now.

Thanks and Regards,

ML

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Re: help

Do the six basic exercises for 5 or 6 days,then add

three exercises a day until you're doing all the exercises a day.Yes,you can

use dumbells along with the Bullworker.find_shazaad

wrote:

Hey i

was told not to work out all the body parts on a single day but

stretch them out through out the week. Also can I

do dumbells and

bullworker simultaneously?

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Thanks for the info. I feel so much better now. )

Millie

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