HIV

[Guest guest]

Ocean animals do not get cancer

because ocean water is not conducive to fungus. The Beck device and

MMS cure certain kinds of cancer because they kill off fungus. Sodium

Bicarbonate cures most cancer because it neutralizes the acidic domain

that is required for the fungus to thrive in.

[Guest guest]

I have heard the fungus theory and I am not convinced. You might be right, why do wild dogs not get cancer until we domesticate them? Or any animal in the wild for that matter?From: Jim <huuman60@...>Subject: Re:Re: HIV Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 5:05 PM

Ocean animals do not get cancer

because ocean water is not conducive to fungus. The Beck device and

MMS cure certain kinds of cancer because they kill off fungus. Sodium

Bicarbonate cures most cancer because it neutralizes the acidic domain

that is required for the fungus to thrive in.

[Guest guest]

I have heard the fungus theory and I am not convinced. You might be right, why do wild dogs not get cancer until we domesticate them? Or any animal in the wild for that matter? Do then eat baking soda or something? I would say PH is a factor, 1 factor. From: Jim <huuman60@...>Subject: Re:Re: HIV Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 5:05 PM

Ocean animals do not get cancer

because ocean water is not conducive to fungus. The Beck device and

MMS cure certain kinds of cancer because they kill off fungus. Sodium

Bicarbonate cures most cancer because it neutralizes the acidic domain

that is required for the fungus to thrive in.

[Guest guest]

dogtorj has a website. Very interesting. Pets are fed terrible diets. Remember Irish Setters? Had been a very popular dog. You don't see them any more. Irish setters are wheat intolerant. Corn used to be the main ingredient in dog food along with meat products. We had a huge glut of wheat. Wheat was added to the dogfood and the Irish setters could not eat commercial dogfood. Commercial dogfood is pretty terrible if you find out what is really in it. All the diseased meat and animal parts that are unfit for human consumption are considered fit for dog consumption. Might include animals that were euthanized and roadkill. Seriously. It is high in wheat and corn and often as genetically engineered soy products added, too. Hardly a natural diet for a dog. I had gotten a dog that had been abused and lived on the streets. She was always getting sick. She could not eat hard dog

food. I tried every single brand of soft/canned dog food sold. She could eat a brand that was very expensive that I bought at the health food store and Aldi's brand. All the rest made her sick. She would throw up and get the runs. Domesticated pets eat a terrible diet. Omega 3 fatty acids are probably way too low. pH is also affected by breathing oxygen. Pet dogs often don't get much exercise. pH is also affected by parasites, bacteria, yeast living in the body. Pets have a bigger problem with this than wild animals. Eating a totally cooked diet is unnatural for them. Cooking food affects pH. Pets are subjected to more pollution which may also play a factor. barb Nick ASAP <divclone@...> wrote: I have heard the fungus theory and I am not convinced. You might be right, why do wild dogs not get cancer until we domesticate them? Or any animal in the wild for that matter? Do then eat baking soda or something? I would say PH is a factor, 1 factor. From: Jim <huuman60comcast (DOT) net>Subject: Re:Re: HIVTo:

Date: Saturday, October 25, 2008, 5:05 PM Ocean animals do not get cancer because ocean water is not conducive to fungus. The Beck device and MMS cure certain kinds of cancer because they kill off fungus. Sodium Bicarbonate cures most cancer because it neutralizes the acidic domain that is required for the fungus to thrive in.

[Guest guest]

Actually, ocean animals do get cancer. Rates of cancer in smaller marine animals are relatively low because their life spans are short. They tend to get eaten before they ever get cancer. An erroneous article was on the net recently reporting that fish don't get cancer. This is not the case.MikeFrom: Jim <huuman60@...>To:

Sent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:05:58 PMSubject: Re:Re: HIV

Ocean animals do not get cancer

because ocean water is not conducive to fungus. The Beck device and

MMS cure certain kinds of cancer because they kill off fungus. Sodium

Bicarbonate cures most cancer because it neutralizes the acidic domain

that is required for the fungus to thrive in.

[Guest guest]

How about sharks and shark cartilage?From: Mike Golden <goldenmike86@...>Subject: Re: Re: HIV Date: Sunday, October 26, 2008, 5:19 PM

Actually, ocean animals do get cancer. Rates of cancer in smaller marine animals are relatively low because their life spans are short. They tend to get eaten before they ever get cancer. An erroneous article was on the net recently reporting that fish don't get cancer. This is not the case.MikeFrom: Jim <huuman60comcast (DOT) net>To:

Beck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.comSent: Saturday, October 25, 2008 4:05:58 PMSubject: Re:Re: [beck-blood- electrification] HIV

Ocean animals do not get cancer

because ocean water is not conducive to fungus. The Beck device and

MMS cure certain kinds of cancer because they kill off fungus. Sodium

Bicarbonate cures most cancer because it neutralizes the acidic domain

that is required for the fungus to thrive in.

[Guest guest]

I have been concentrating on this

topic for a number of years. IMHO, the links are clear. If you really

are interested in finding the truth, below is a place to start:

http://thealiveandwell.tribe.net/thread/75d9e95f-01a0-447c-863d-0ddc2f0b837a

Next search Dr. Simoncini and watch the video's.

Below

are a few posts in another group

that you will may find interesting:

I feel a little sheepish in having this conversation on a web site

devoted to alternative energy and I am surprised that there is

apparently an interest here. I left the health sites because those

people were too narrow minded and became hostile when I presented

them with what I know to be the answer to their prayers. We always

stone the lightbringers and they are always correct in the long run...

The point that requires clarification here is that Progenitor

cryptocides is by its nature, pleomorphic. Rife found the earlier

stages which he called "filter passing virus," which of course,

cannot be correct by the definition of a virus but he was unaware of

this and his observations were otherwise correct. What he saw was

apparently a mycolpasma, the existence of which was known during his

time period but he seemed to be unaware of it. Nonetheless, he was

the first to see the entire Cyclogenia pleomorphia in all of its

stages. He detected a virus form with two stages which he called BX

and BY. As the pH becomes more acidic, the organism continues to

change form until it reaches the yeast/fungal stage whereby it

develops rhizomes and thus ramifies. This in non-technical terms

meant that it develops tentacles that plunge into the surrounding

tissues whereby cancer gets its name derived from "crab-like"

formations.

The tumor formation that contains dead tissue and the resultant

conversion of the diploid totipotent into a trophoblast is entirely

consistent with the cycle of tissue repair that occurs normally in

the body as a part of the natural healing process. It is pancreatic

failure or the excessive ingestion of proteins that produces too

little trypsin and chymotrypsin that fails to keep up with the end

stage of the healing process of breaking down the fibrin of the tumor

walls thus allowing the healing cycle to rage forward unattenuated

that allows cancer to proliferate. It is the pH that triggers the

Progenitor organism to morph into a fungus that we define as cancer.

Dr. Rife stated that he observed cancer in the mycelial stage of the

Cyclogenia pleomorphia which is totally consistent with his

observation. He never stated that this was causative, but it was

always present in cancer.

Cancer always develops as a single tumor. If allowed to mature it

will obtain the ability to utilize the MMP mechanism to bore through

tissue via enzyme digestion and enter the circulation whereby it, by

definition, has metastasized. Cancer always retains its original

character when it sets up shop in another area of the body thus it is

easy to determine in many cases where it originated. Many breast

cancers contain uterine tissue. Melanomas are a no-brainer, even the

most ignorant technician can easily see by coloration that these

cancers were once localized skin cancers that were often released

into the body by the foolish practice of surgical extirpation.

Perhaps another site needs to be set up to continue this dialog as it

isn't really appropriate on this site. No, I am not willing to set

one up so please don't ask.

>>Jim wrote:

> > I like your analysis and, for those

of us who study this topic a

length, the basis for your cure (and reasoning) is generally sound.

Certainly, Gerson and others were quite successful in following it.

We also know that recently, a cancer doctor in Italy proved, at least

to his satisfaction, that cancer is a fungus... and has been quite

successful in treating

it on that basis. Also, we have known for a long time that it is often

(or always preceded) with candida. Further, as you point out, it

must exist in an acid environment. Rife saw a virus under his

powerful microscope and when he attacked it with frequency (this is in

the

realm of our topic here), he was very successful in ridding

patents of cancer.

> > My question is this: Was Rife incorrect in his conclusion?

Was

he seeing a fungus rather than a virus? Or is there, some way, a

viral component also? This does not fit in your analysis, nor does it

in mine, but his work was very compelling.

>>Further question, just curious...

while I generally agree with

your conclusions regarding "walling off"... do you know for certain

that metastases cannot occur ever without the wall being broken. Have

you ever heard of any examples where it did and under what

circumstances?

> > As you can see, I find this topic very interesting and have

been searching for a "pure" analysis of what we call a disease. I am

with you on all of your other points and I intend to share your

conclusions with my interested friends, some of whom are are also

searching

diligently for objectivity in this mess mangled by currently

incorrect science.

> > comdyne2002 wrote:

> >> I consider myself an expert on this topic and I am a

public

speaker at alternative health conventions. I agree that the Budwig diet

is excellent but there are others as well such as the Ann Wigmore

and the Gerson protocol. Cancer is a fungus, however, and it is

produced by pleomorphic organisms that exist within our bodies to

produce

germs which are Nature's scavengers. Germs are intended to clean

up debris from dead tissue and cells and are not the cause of, but

are the result of, disease.Cancer is not a normal cell gone awry.

The cancer cell is a stem cell that has become a trophoblast as happens

in a pregnancy. Stem

cells are used by the body for repair as they contain everything

required to build any necessary component of the body from eye tissue,

to

teeth, to bone cells, etc.

>>>When ever there is an injury to

tissue the body will form a tumor to wall off the area so that the

rotting

process does not spread throughout the body. The Progenator

cryptocides organism will morph into a fungus in the anaerobic

(without oxygen) environment inside the tumor and devour all dead

material turning it into essentially compost. Once the decayed

matter is thoroughly digested by the fungi, hCG hormones are no longer

emitted from the tumor and the digestive enzymes of trypsin and

chymotrypsin produced in the pancreas will break down the fibrin

coating of the tumor which will then dissolve and become fuel

for the body metabolic processes. When the tumor leaks such as after

being stabbed by a biopsy needle, the organism contained within the

tumor is released into circulation and metastases occurs.

> >> When the body fluids are contaminated from incomplete

combustion

of foods, these proteins eventually will make their way out of the

digestive tract and will penetrate the intestinal walls due to

the purification of foods and the subsequent parasitic organisms that

proliferate in such an environment. When these proteins are found

outside the digestive tract the immune system mounts an attack

and inflammation is the result. All diseases start this way. In the

case of cancer (tumor forming cancers) impaired lymph circulation

causes hypoxia (oxygen starvation) at the cellular level. Normal cells

will then shift their metabolism away from small mounts of glucose

(sugar) and larger amounts of oxygen to primarily glucose. The

metabolic

rate increases exponentially and toxic lactic acid and carbon

monoxide is produced causing more pollution and thus lowering the pH

even

further. So far the tumor is benign. If the pH continues to fall,

however, Progenitor cryptocides will morph into the yeast/fungal

stage and this is cancer. Raising the pH is the only way to rid

the body of cancer. No surgery, radiation or drug can do it. Only

Nature can fix what isn't broken.

> >> The conventional approach to this disease is totally

wrong but

highly profitable, thus no changes will occur in the foreseeable future.

Cancer is easy to cure. All one has to do is to change the

internal environment so that the fungus of cancer cannot grow. This is

done by diet and cleansing. Best of all, no doctors are required.

> >> "The microbe is nothing. The terrain is everything"

Claude

Bernard 1813-1878

[Guest guest]

My Golden Retriever is almost 15

years old and looks the same as he did at age 8. The secret is raw

meat and plenty of veggies. Grain? Does anyone actually believe that

wolves eat grain? Dog food is cooked down from rendered meat and all

sorts of other products devoid of all enzymes. Why do dogs bury

bones? The enzymes in the soils break down the bones and make them

digestible for them. Currently, people decide what dogs should eat.

That was never the case in the past. Dogs know best... watch what

they chose to eat when they have freedom of choice. It may not look

good to us, but it works for them.

[Guest guest]

They bury bones to hide them from other predators

Re: HIV

My Golden Retriever is almost 15 years old and looks the same as he did at age 8. The secret is raw meat and plenty of veggies. Grain? Does anyone actually believe that wolves eat grain? Dog food is cooked down from rendered meat and all sorts of other products devoid of all enzymes. Why do dogs bury bones? The enzymes in the soils break down the bones and make them digestible for them. Currently, people decide what dogs should eat. That was never the case in the past. Dogs know best... watch what they chose to eat when they have freedom of choice. It may not look good to us, but it works for them.

[Guest guest]

I, for one ,feel that this discussion is perfectly appropriate here.

> >> I consider myself an expert on this topic and I am a

public

speaker at alternative health conventions. I agree that the Budwig diet

is excellent but there are others as well such as the Ann Wigmore

and the Gerson protocol. Cancer is a fungus, however, and it is

produced by pleomorphic organisms that exist within our bodies to

produce

germs which are Nature's scavengers. Germs are intended to clean

up debris from dead tissue and cells and are not the cause of, but

are the result of, disease.Cancer is not a normal cell gone awry.

The cancer cell is a stem cell that has become a trophoblast as happens

in a pregnancy. Stem

cells are used by the body for repair as they contain everything

required to build any necessary component of the body from eye tissue,

to

teeth, to bone cells, etc.

>>>When ever there is an injury to

tissue the body will form a tumor to wall off the area so that the

rotting

process does not spread throughout the body. The Progenator

cryptocides organism will morph into a fungus in the anaerobic

(without oxygen) environment inside the tumor and devour all dead

material turning it into essentially compost. Once the decayed

matter is thoroughly digested by the fungi, hCG hormones are no longer

emitted from the tumor and the digestive enzymes of trypsin and

chymotrypsin produced in the pancreas will break down the fibrin

coating of the tumor which will then dissolve and become fuel

for the body metabolic processes. When the tumor leaks such as after

being stabbed by a biopsy needle, the organism contained within the

tumor is released into circulation and metastases occurs.

> >> When the body fluids are contaminated from incomplete

combustion

of foods, these proteins eventually will make their way out of the

digestive tract and will penetrate the intestinal walls due to

the purification of foods and the subsequent parasitic organisms that

proliferate in such an environment. When these proteins are found

outside the digestive tract the immune system mounts an attack

and inflammation is the result. All diseases start this way. In the

case of cancer (tumor forming cancers) impaired lymph circulation

causes hypoxia (oxygen starvation) at the cellular level. Normal cells

will then shift their metabolism away from small mounts of glucose

(sugar) and larger amounts of oxygen to primarily glucose. The

metabolic

rate increases exponentially and toxic lactic acid and carbon

monoxide is produced causing more pollution and thus lowering the pH

even

further. So far the tumor is benign. If the pH continues to fall,

however, Progenitor cryptocides will morph into the yeast/fungal

stage and this is cancer. Raising the pH is the only way to rid

the body of cancer. No surgery, radiation or drug can do it. Only

Nature can fix what isn't broken.

> >> The conventional approach to this disease is totally

wrong but

highly profitable, thus no changes will occur in the foreseeable future.

Cancer is easy to cure. All one has to do is to change the

internal environment so that the fungus of cancer cannot grow. This is

done by diet and cleansing. Best of all, no doctors are required.

> >> "The microbe is nothing. The terrain is everything"

Claude

Bernard 1813-1878

[Guest guest]

Webster is a friend of mine, and he runs cancertutor.com> >> I consider myself an expert on this topic and I am a public speaker at alternative health conventions. I agree that the Budwig diet is excellent but there are others as

well such as the Ann Wigmore and the Gerson protocol. Cancer is a fungus, however, and it is produced by pleomorphic organisms that exist within our bodies to producegerms which are Nature's scavengers. Germs are intended to clean up debris from dead tissue and cells and are not the cause of, but are the result of, disease.Cancer is not a normal cell gone awry. The cancer cell is a stem cell that has become a trophoblast as happens in a pregnancy. Stem cells are used by the body for repair as they contain everything required to build any necessary component of the body from eye tissue, toteeth, to bone cells, etc.

>>>When ever there is an injury to tissue the body will form a tumor to wall off the area so that the rottingprocess does not spread throughout the body. The Progenatorcryptocides organism will morph into a fungus in the anaerobic(without oxygen) environment inside the tumor and devour all deadmaterial turning it into essentially compost. Once the decayed matter is thoroughly digested by the fungi, hCG hormones are no longeremitted from the tumor and the digestive enzymes of trypsin andchymotrypsin produced in the pancreas will break down the fibrincoating of the tumor which will then dissolve and become fuel for the body metabolic processes. When the tumor leaks such as after being stabbed by a biopsy needle, the organism contained within the tumor is released into circulation and metastases occurs.> >> When the body fluids are contaminated from incomplete combustion of

foods, these proteins eventually will make their way out of thedigestive tract and will penetrate the intestinal walls due to the purification of foods and the subsequent parasitic organisms thatproliferate in such an environment. When these proteins are foundoutside the digestive tract the immune system mounts an attack and inflammation is the result. All diseases start this way. In the case of cancer (tumor forming cancers) impaired lymph circulation causes hypoxia (oxygen starvation) at the cellular level. Normal cells will then shift their metabolism away from small mounts of glucose (sugar) and larger amounts of oxygen to primarily glucose. The metabolic rate increases exponentially and toxic lactic acid and carbon monoxide is produced causing more pollution and thus lowering the pH evenfurther. So far the tumor is benign. If the pH continues to fall,however, Progenitor cryptocides will morph into

the yeast/fungalstage and this is cancer. Raising the pH is the only way to rid the body of cancer. No surgery, radiation or drug can do it. Only Nature can fix what isn't broken.

> >> The conventional approach to this disease is totally wrong but highly profitable, thus no changes will occur in the foreseeable future.Cancer is easy to cure. All one has to do is to change the internal environment so that the fungus of cancer cannot grow. This is done by diet and cleansing. Best of all, no doctors are required.> >> "The microbe is nothing. The terrain is everything" Claude Bernard 1813-1878

[Guest guest]

Good clarification

:-)

From: Robb <rallen@...>Subject: Re: Re: HIV Date: Monday, October 27, 2008, 5:22 PM

They bury bones to hide them from other predators

[beck-blood- electrification] Re: HIV

My Golden Retriever is almost 15 years old and looks the same as he did at age 8. The secret is raw meat and plenty of veggies. Grain? Does anyone actually believe that wolves eat grain? Dog food is cooked down from rendered meat and all sorts of other products devoid of all enzymes. Why do dogs bury bones? The enzymes in the soils break down the bones and make them digestible for them. Currently, people decide what dogs should eat. That was never the case in the past. Dogs know best... watch what they chose to eat when they have freedom of choice. It may not look good to us, but it works for them.

[Guest guest]

But the eskimos buried raw fish for a while and then ate it(mostly putrid by our standards).

From: Robb <rallen@highpowermag neticpulser. com>Subject: Re: [beck-blood- electrification] Re: HIVBeck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.comDate: Monday, October 27, 2008, 5:22 PM

They bury bones to hide them from other predators

[beck-blood- electrification] Re: HIV

My Golden Retriever is almost 15 years old and looks the same as he did at age 8. The secret is raw meat and plenty of veggies. Grain? Does anyone actually believe that wolves eat grain? Dog food is cooked down from rendered meat and all sorts of other products devoid of all enzymes. Why do dogs bury bones? The enzymes in the soils break down the bones and make them digestible for them. Currently, people decide what dogs should eat. That was never the case in the past. Dogs know best... watch what they chose to eat when they have freedom of choice. It may not look good to us, but it works for them.

[Guest guest]

Hi GuysI would very much like to know more about the HIV group. Makepeace http://www.bigzulu.com From: Mikhail Cannon <mikhailcannon@...>Subject: RE: HIV Date: Tuesday, 21 October, 2008, 10:23 AM

Hi bG, Thanks for the info regards HIV. I am sorry to hear you have not recieved feedback from other positive people when using your zappers. I would very much like to experement with what you have to offer, comming from a medical research background myself I am happy to set up some sort of protocol to try and answer some of the questions you need answering regards HIV and electrification. Would it be possible for you to make the needed equipment for me to use, and also how much would it cost to do and get to the UK. I feel very encouraged by what you are saying and mabey this is the direction to go to eradicate HIV from the body, I certianly am prepared to go all the way and document the experience for the records.

Kindest regards

Mikhail

Beck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.comFrom: bobluhrsexchange (DOT) microsoft. comDate: Mon, 20 Oct 2008 16:08:44 +0000Subject: [beck-blood- electrification] Re: Problems with Sota's SP-Lite?

excellent info, Mikhail, I will copy to my group where there are more folks into this.It agrees with what i had thought. Nothing will change much in cd4 with beck's protocol due to some lack of data at the time it was designed. 2006 was the first year they knew about the gut HIV.The magnetic pulser does not disable microbes, does nothing to virus. It can move fluids out of lymph nodes by creating pressures that override some of the valves in the lymph so using it there makes sense.To remove from gut and importantly, the thymus gland under the upper breastbone, another method needs to be developed. The lab tests already proved that this is so, and that spikes and pulsations do not work on HIV. The magnetic pulser has spikes only, it induces a mild current for a few millionths of a second. You would need millions of pulses to equal one second of current from a plain 6 volt battery on

HIV. We have been trying pads of 6 volt current over gut and thymus areas, but have not had feedback from anyone, they drop out of sight and we never hear back. That discourages us, and we stop caring about hiv people since the effort to figure out devices, make photos and instructions goes to waste if we don't ever know what happens. That's where things stand at the moment. I hope HIV can be figured out since it should be very easy to remove it.bG>> > I have been taking anti-virals and using the becks protocol daily for the past 6 months, and have had no adverse reaction or drug magnification. I know of other hiv+ people who are in the same situation as myself, they are fine also.> Always good to get feedback from the horses mouth, as they say> Regards> Mikhail> > > > Beck-blood-electrif ication@: bobluhrs@: Tue, 14 Oct 2008 17:54:28 +0000Subject: [beck-blood- electrification] Re: Problems with Sota's SP-Lite?> > > > > > > > > > ____________ _________ _________

_________ _________ _________ _> Make a mini you and download it into Windows Live Messenger> http://clk.atdmt. com/UKM/go/ 111354029/ direct/01/> Read amazing stories to your kids on Messenger Try it Now!

[Guest guest]

Edgar Cayce said to find the cure for cancer you need to inject cancer cells into the back of a rabbit near the spine. The fluid that builds up at the injection point is the cure. That is how I remember reading it anyways. The idea of it does sound interesting.

From: Robb <rallen@highpowermag neticpulser. com>Subject: Re: [beck-blood- electrification] Re: HIVBeck-blood-electrif ication@gro ups.comDate: Monday, October 27, 2008, 5:22 PM

They bury bones to hide them from other predators

[beck-blood- electrification] Re: HIV

My Golden Retriever is almost 15 years old and looks the same as he did at age 8. The secret is raw meat and plenty of veggies. Grain? Does anyone actually believe that wolves eat grain? Dog food is cooked down from rendered meat and all sorts of other products devoid of all enzymes. Why do dogs bury bones? The enzymes in the soils break down the bones and make them digestible for them. Currently, people decide what dogs should eat. That was never the case in the past. Dogs know best... watch what they chose to eat when they have freedom of choice. It may not look good to us, but it works for them.

[Guest guest]

Do we agree that dogs generally have

a very poor background in enzyme science and that there are multiple

reasons for their actions?

[Guest guest]

HIV and cancer have both been successfully treated with undenatured

whey, a glutathione precursor (along with selenium). The data is

linked from my page here:

http://tinyurl.com/glutathione-references

Note the peer-reviewed cancer study near the top of the page, and the

cancer and HIV studies down the column of prewritten PubMed queries.

Duncan

>

> Sorry to hear that you have a challenge with HIV. I personally have

been

> diagnosed with breast cancer and am using only natural medicine. I

find the

> worst part is the family because they want regular treatments by a

doctor.

> Since its my body, I decide!

>

> Have you heard of the Gerson Institute? The link is: www.gerson.org

They

> cure all illnesses with nutrition. So I have changed my lifestyle

and I eat

> a lot of raw, organic vegetables and little fruit. I also juice.

>

> You should watch the movie: Food Matters. You can watch it for very

little

> on the net. http://www.foodmatters.tv/own-the-dvd.html

> Scroll down and you can pay to watch it once. If you leave your

computer on,

> you can even watch it more than once.

>

> I am also taking a natural product that is called ImunoZen. It

balances the

> immune system. The only people that can't take it are people that

take

> immune surpressants, due to transplants and pregnant women. After

the baby

> is born, a nursing mom can take them.

> Those are not drugs, they are nutrition. And when the body has a

disease, it

> needs a great immune system. You can find info here:

> http://www.shibumilife.com/10135/productdetails.php?intProdId=69

> If you are diabetic, you need to check your blood sugar more often

because

> the dose of insulin might be too high.

>

> If you want, I can send you a copy of the patent for ImunoZen. A

friend

> works with HIV patients and according to him, it works great. I can

get him

> to contact you if you want.

>

> What I found on my journey is that we need to learn a lot about what

keeps a

> body healthy and how we can assist the body to heal itself.

>

> Personally, since my tumor is in my breast, which is easily felt, I

also use

> Hydrogen Peroxide to rub my body down. They say it helps with

oxigenating

> the blood, which tumors do not like. You do need to buy food grade,

35% H202

> and dilute it yourself. You don't want the additives in the one you

can buy

> in a drug store. You also need destilled water, as the chlorine in

the water

> reacts with the H202. It is easy and cheap.

>

> Here is another link to use more natural products, instead of the

chemical

> soup we are exposed to:

> http://www.lesstoxicguide.ca/

>

> I hope this helps a bit. I was also told that meditation and light

exercise

> works well. Especially a short workout on a rebounder, as this

stimulates

> the lymph.

>

> When you use the Beck protocol, be careful with medication. Any drug

you

> take will be increased 20 to 30 times. You could very easily OD.

> The great thing is, that it will also increase the

sterols(Imunozen), and

> you can't OD on those.

>

> Let me know if I can be helpful. I know what it is like to be given

a death

> sentence. I don't like the doctor's odds, I make my own.

>

> Good luck. Keep up a positive attitude, it is very important.

>

> Rosie

>

[Guest guest]

>

> Do we agree that dogs generally have a very poor background in enzyme

> science and that there are multiple reasons for their actions?

Iam not sure about this experiment because if something happened It was clear

Im thanks for your giving informathin to us and iam sure every onr is sutisfied

too

yadin....

[Guest guest]

Please Please Check this link out about HIV /AIDS Mind blowing but i know that

the us made the damm thing great way of getting rid of a lot of the population

of the planet its worse than Hitler the media should know about this......

http://video.google.co.uk/videoplay?docid=8567399552051355527

[Guest guest]

hi, the electrifier and cs should help opportunistic infections, could save a

life from AIDS.

use it sparingly at first, and gradually increase, only a few minutes the first

couple days, stop and wait a day or so, then resume.

split sessions day and night times rather than one long session, interrupt the

virus replication cycle.

do electricity before taking meds to help avoid interractions. Beck's

mentioning of reactions has not been seen very much, I'm told.

bG

>

> I want to help my friend who has HIV. He's had HIV since 6 years and now his

CD4 count is down to 185. He's got TB and is taking 4 tabs daily of AKT-4

(contains four medicines Rifampicin + Isoniazid + Pyrazinamide + Ethambutol) for

it, no other medicines. He's one of my NA addict friend here in India. He's now

over 3 years clean. I have the SP-Lite, which I'd got to help my friends but

I've as yet not tried it on anyone. 'Only made some colloidal silver with it so

far.

>

> Can I start giving him the SP-Lite pulses? I'm worried about any side effects

like the extra-prolation etc. What precautions do I have to take? Can someone

please help me?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Rajiv

>

[Guest guest]

Wow. Love this thread. Such an innocent question. Now let me tell you why I

asked. I wore the sota device on my wrist for 8 months (continuously!). I tested

for viral counts monthly. I am HIV positive. I don't do meds. You would think my

viral counts would go to zero but that did not happen, not even close. I did not

get the results that Bob Beck did and I was thinking perhaps a DC or at least a

slower frequency (30 seconds instead of .25 seconds) would perhaps deliver

better results.

That said, let me fill you in. I don't know if Beck's protocol works for me but

I don't know if it doesn't. I go through the process now at least twice a year

(three rigorous and strict weeks on the protocol). I quit measuring counts

because it never seemed to agree with my degree of health. In all other respects

I am healthy and happy. I stopped doing same wrist zapping because frankly I

don't think it works. I think the blood volume is too low IF you can even find

the correct locations to put the electrodes over. I swiched to the long wires

and zap over the very strong pulse points below each ankle bone. I have consumed

enough colloidal silver (literally gallons over the years) to be sensitive to

sun light. My tans are ashy. Otherwise, no issues with CS. In anycase, I use the

full protocol when I zap. All sota products.

Other things that I've discovered and used along the way. Food Grade H2O2

replaces ozonated water in a pinch (couple of drops in a glass of distilled).

Even Off the shelf H2O2 is a great after brushing mouthwash. DMSO has helped

alleviate the pain of arthritic and damaged knees. A good multi, a lot of water

and a healthy attitude can go a long way. All of these things bring or

facilitate carrying oxygen into and throughout the body.

What would I like to see? All of this technology originates from Rife

technology. Crane came up with the contact based revision. Then everyone started

using contact devices because they were easier to develop. I want to see a

non-contact beck zapper that does for HIV what Rife technology did for cancer.

I'd like to see it non-frequency specific. I think some of the early multiwave

oscillators were going down this road but never really took off.

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Bob,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Reading your post on the Kaali-Lyman DC findings was very

> > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is faster

> > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > >> >

> > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in the

> > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues. We at

> > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob was

> > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

> > >> >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota SP is

> > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't very

> > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

> > >> >

> > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the Ionic/Colloidal

> > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe eletrical

> > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te door

> > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT recommend

> > >> usnig it this way.

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >> >

> > >> > Hope this helps,

> > >> > Russ

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Any insights?

> > >> > >

> > >> > > cheers,

> > >> > >

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

this is great to know, zf.

we had one fella in group who had persistent high

levels 2.2 mil, of Hep-c. He used becks blood electrifier 4 hertz device for a

year an hour a day. No change. He switched to DC, a device I designed very

powerful called godzilla, an hour a day. in 15 weeks' time he tested every 3

weeks, it went down 99.3 percent to 14k. No single blood test was " up " , they

all went down, some very dramatically at about 6 weeks, then even lower.

There were no side effects.

I am not kidding when I say Becks device is not everything there is in blood

electrifying. He used DC early on, if I'm not mistaken, then a slowly

oscillating dc, finally 4 hertz, which this fellow above used.

blood levels of HIV are not very relevant, unfortunately, so you can't really

count on blood HIV being gone as assuring you of a high CD4 count and fixed up

against AIDS. It will help with infections on top of HIV, sure. But HIV lives

where Becks protocol will not reach it fully. I'm sorry. Your best bet is get

frequent testing for CD4, use Becks all you want, and if you need them, combine

with one of the lesser side effects meds which have come out and more to come.

There is a lot more hope and lots less side effects these days. If you combine

the two, be sure to electrify before taking the doses. If not on meds the Beck

protocol will probably save your skin from AIDS, that was what Beck did, and it

may work just fine. If your CD4 is not too bad, you can adjust how much you are

doing about it, like less CS, or whatever you would think might help, but

whatever you do..monitor your CD4, that is the life-death test. Blood-borne HIV

is only about 3 percent of the total in the body, and it is all mutated strains

which are not always that dangerous. It is the wild strains living in the gut

linings which do the damaged to your CD4's. Neither Becks' nor the meds reach

these fully. Using both might. They are working on meds to reach these HIV,

now that they know where they are. This was only discovered in late 2006, but

it marks the beginning of the end for HIV. The meds in a dish will knock out

HIV, it's getting them to the HIV in the body, which is same problem the Beck

stuff has.

I even designed pads to go over the gut area, and some say they tried them, but

no results reported. People are awful about getting tested and reporting, so

there's no way to help them effectively, which is too bad. They always say

they're onboard, then you never hear back from them. Hope they didn't die. But

... like I say, the meds might be tuned to get you a cure, and I hope and pray

they do.

bG

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Bob,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Reading your post on the Kaali-Lyman DC findings was very

> > > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is

faster

> > > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in the

> > > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues. We at

> > > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob was

> > > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota SP is

> > > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't very

> > > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the Ionic/Colloidal

> > > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe eletrical

> > > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te door

> > > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT recommend

> > > >> usnig it this way.

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Hope this helps,

> > > >> > Russ

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Any insights?

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > cheers,

> > > >> > >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi zappingfool,What about your T-cell count from test to test, did they come up? Can you tell more what happened to your PCR tests, could you break them down here from month to month to see what was happening to your blood during BE. I spoke to one Russian electrical engineer in Moscow, his company sells a touchless small Rife Unit and other gadgets, he said the PCR should clear from blood with time. How long he didn't know, he said a good indicator for Hep B (not AIDS) is to check IgG, since PCR is not reliable. If you have AIDS and the BE works, then you should see an increase in T-cell counts. Can you post numbers of your blood work here to see what was going on in your blood? :)From: zappingfool <zappingfool@...>Subject: Re: HIV Date: Saturday, October 3, 2009, 9:01 AM

Wow. Love this thread. Such an innocent question. Now let me tell you why I asked. I wore the sota device on my wrist for 8 months (continuously! ). I tested for viral counts monthly. I am HIV positive. I don't do meds. You would think my viral counts would go to zero but that did not happen, not even close. I did not get the results that Bob Beck did and I was thinking perhaps a DC or at least a slower frequency (30 seconds instead of .25 seconds) would perhaps deliver better results.

That said, let me fill you in. I don't know if Beck's protocol works for me but I don't know if it doesn't. I go through the process now at least twice a year (three rigorous and strict weeks on the protocol). I quit measuring counts because it never seemed to agree with my degree of health. In all other respects I am healthy and happy. I stopped doing same wrist zapping because frankly I don't think it works. I think the blood volume is too low IF you can even find the correct locations to put the electrodes over. I swiched to the long wires and zap over the very strong pulse points below each ankle bone. I have consumed enough colloidal silver (literally gallons over the years) to be sensitive to sun light. My tans are ashy. Otherwise, no issues with CS. In anycase, I use the full protocol when I zap. All sota products.

Other things that I've discovered and used along the way. Food Grade H2O2 replaces ozonated water in a pinch (couple of drops in a glass of distilled). Even Off the shelf H2O2 is a great after brushing mouthwash. DMSO has helped alleviate the pain of arthritic and damaged knees. A good multi, a lot of water and a healthy attitude can go a long way. All of these things bring or facilitate carrying oxygen into and throughout the body.

What would I like to see? All of this technology originates from Rife technology. Crane came up with the contact based revision. Then everyone started using contact devices because they were easier to develop. I want to see a non-contact beck zapper that does for HIV what Rife technology did for cancer. I'd like to see it non-frequency specific. I think some of the early multiwave oscillators were going down this road but never really took off.

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Bob,

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Reading your post on the Kaali-Lyman DC findings was very

> > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is faster

> > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > >> >

> > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in the

> > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues. We at

> > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob was

> > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

> > >> >

> > >> > >

> > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota SP is

> > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't very

> > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

> > >> >

> > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the Ionic/Colloidal

> > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe eletrical

> > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te door

> > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT recommend

> > >> usnig it this way.

> > >> >

> > >>

> > >> >

> > >> > Hope this helps,

> > >> > Russ

> > >> > >

> > >> > > Any insights?

> > >> > >

> > >> > > cheers,

> > >> > >

> > >>

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I am totally with you on that. I am here to learn from other peoples

experiences. Probably before we each came here we did all the book and video

learning that we could find but nothing beats interaction.

I think we all should be aloud to let loose with our stories and opinions

without worrying that someone will hate us if we do. Granted sometimes opinions

are wrong but we are all entitled to them.

I really appreciate your personal story and your tenacity at continuing your

treatment despite the numbers. I agree that if I felt better and found something

that made me feel better I would whole heartedly continue. I am literally just

starting the Beck Protocol but I have on my trip here done many things

(treatments) that have raised a few eyebrows.

I am glad that you are feeling well and that you have an inquisitive mind, all I

have to do is listen to the threads and I swear my brain gets bigger.

L:O)

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Bob,

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Reading your post on the Kaali-Lyman DC findings was very

> > > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is

faster

> > > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in the

> > > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues. We at

> > > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob was

> > > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota SP is

> > > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't very

> > > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

> > > >> >

> > > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the Ionic/Colloidal

> > > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe eletrical

> > > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te door

> > > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT recommend

> > > >> usnig it this way.

> > > >> >

> > > >>

> > > >> >

> > > >> > Hope this helps,

> > > >> > Russ

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > Any insights?

> > > >> > >

> > > >> > > cheers,

> > > >> > >

> > > >>

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

this coment was made in an early part of this thread:

" Blood-borne HIV is only about 3 percent of the total in the body, and it is all

mutated strains which are not always that dangerous. It is the wild strains

living in the gut linings which do the damaged to your CD4's. Neither Becks' nor

the meds reach these fully. "

why not use the Pulser on the gut. I know that you will have to Recolonize with

good bacteria when done but what I have read says that it will reach even into

the gut.

L:O)

> > > > >> >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Bob,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Reading your post on the Kaali-Lyman DC findings was very

> > > > >> interesting. I wonder what the reason Sota opted for AC for blood

> > > > >> electrification when the original Einstein study was DC and it is

faster

> > > > >> which seems to translate to more effective.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > ***Putting DC directly on the arteries can cause eletrolysis in the

> > > > >> blood and ion migration. Bob Beck chose AC to avoid these issues. We

at

> > > > >> SOTA follow Bob Beck's research. Spending several years with Bob was

> > > > >> invaluable in learning what he knew.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > I notice the CS generating constant current mode of the Sota SP

is

> > > > >> withing spec for DC blood electrification but the leads aren't very

> > > > >> useful unless you want to you silver rods as electrodes.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > ***Please DO NOT try blood electrification with the Ionic/Colloidal

> > > > >> Silver wires of the Silver pulser unit! You will get a severe

eletrical

> > > > >> burn (as would anyone leaving DC on the skin) as well as open te door

> > > > >> for eletrolysis in the blood and ion migration. We DO NOT recommend

> > > > >> usnig it this way.

> > > > >> >

> > > > >>

> > > > >> >

> > > > >> > Hope this helps,

> > > > >> > Russ

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > Any insights?

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >> > > cheers,

> > > > >> > >

> > > > >>

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>