advice please

[Guest guest]

> Hi Cec - Are you taking T4/T3 combination therapy on the

recommendations of

I would say you should go by how you feel, and yes, I personally

> would increase my T3 by 10 mcgs in the same way as Armour until you

start to

> feel hyper - and then drop back. This is how the used to treat in

the good

> old days, before the manufacture of the blood tests.

Thanks sheila

My GP put me on 150 levo and said my bloods were good but never

tested T3. I still did not feel good so ordered 28 20mcg tabs of T3

online and cut back the levo to 125 before I started the T3. I just

want to see if it made a difference.

I stuck to 10mcg T3 for 4 weeks and had no neg side effects, so have

increased this week to 20mcgs. I have notice that I feel warmer

although my temp is still around 36.4 so that's good. I am

menopausal and having flushes so perhaps this might be whats going

on, also my pulse is around 70. I still have pain in a lot of my

joints however my calf muscle feels a little better and i'm sleeping

through the night.

Cec

should I cut my levo to 100mcg when I next increase T3

[Guest guest]

Cec - have you considered you could

be suffering with low adrenal reserve or one of the other associated conditions

that go along with being hypothyroid that stops your thyroid hormone from being

absorbed. If you have a GP you can talk to, ask if he will test your ferritin

level (stored iron) , vitamin b12, vitamin D, zinc, copper and magnesium. If

any of these are low, you would need to supplement them. You may also be

suffering with candida albicans. First, go to our FILES which you can access

from the Home Page of our forum web site thyroid treatment

and then click on FILES and scroll down until you rind 'Adrenal Questionnaire'

and answer all of the questions and see how you score. Then click on 'Candida

Questionnaire' and see how you score there too. If you are high on either, then

do get the required tests , which are a 24 hour salivary adrenal profile that

tests the level of your cortisol and DHEA at four specific times during the day

and/or the test to check if you have Candida antibodies. Both of these you can

get done through Genova Diagnostics www.gdx.uk.net

Yes, you may well need to decrease your

thyroxine when you increase your T3. Many people do very well on T3 only,

especially if they have a conversion problem.

Do you take at least 200mcgs Selenium daily

with food?

Luv - Sheila

I stuck to 10mcg T3 for 4 weeks and had no neg side effects, so have

increased this week to 20mcgs. I have notice that I feel warmer

although my temp is still around 36.4 so that's good. I am

menopausal and having flushes so perhaps this might be whats going

on, also my pulse is around 70. I still have pain in a lot of my

joints however my calf muscle feels a little better and i'm sleeping

through the night. should I cut my levo to 100mcg when I next increase T3

[Guest guest]

Adam, I feel exactly the same way--maybe someone can answer this for both of us.

Advice please

I've been on a strict candida diet for AGES. Low carbohydrate, and plenty of

protein in meat and eggs. Butter and other animal fats etc. This has worked in

the respect of keeping things " controlled " . However, since a course of

antibiotics a couple of years back, I am finding now even one small cheat will

cause me to relapse and take about 8 weeks to recover.

This is no way to live. Yet this is how I've been living for the past 2 years.

I am finding this diet works only when I've been on it long enough and I stay on

it. But where is the recovery? Why is my gut not recovering?

Can anybody suggest what I can do? I take a multi vitamin and mineral powdered

supplement as a good foundation (which has a good high dose of vitamin C). From

there, I take extra in selenium, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal ratios), a fish

oil supplement, extra iodine (our country is low in selenium and iodine, I have

suffered severe iodine deficiency and the supplementing has helped).

What on earth do I do with a gut that has remained permanently (so far)

affected by only ONE WEEK of antibiotics 2 years ago? Is this possible for

antibiotics to destroy so much good bacteria and why has it not replenished

itself over time???? What is wrong with me? I tried eating ONE piece of fruit

and I relapsed. I felt like all the yeast had fed and released their alcohols

into my system. I felt drugged. SO I go back to my rigid diet, wait it out for

weeks on end and sure finally I start feeling somewhat better. But where is the

cure???? My gut is obviously not being fed the right stuff on this diet of

protein and fats because if it was, one small natural cheat would not produce

such a dramatic effect that takes weeks to recover from....something is missing.

It's just a stop gap, but it's not reversing the problem.

Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

[Guest guest]

adam_antics34 wrote:

> Why is my gut not recovering?

>

> Can anybody suggest what I can do? I take a multi vitamin and mineral

powdered supplement as a good foundation (which has a good high dose of vitamin

C). From there, I take extra in selenium, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal

ratios), a fish oil supplement, extra iodine (our country is low in selenium and

iodine, I have suffered severe iodine deficiency and the supplementing has

helped).

>

> What on earth do I do with a gut that has remained permanently (so far)

affected by only ONE WEEK of antibiotics 2 years ago? Is this possible for

antibiotics to destroy so much good bacteria and why has it not replenished

itself over time????

I personally do not think that one week of antibiotics that long ago is

still affecting your gut flora. However something is keeping your levels

of candida high enough that it doesn't take much to stimulate it to

overgrow again. Are you taking any probiotics?

Another thing to consider is thyroid. Since you say you have had iodine

deficiency and take an iodine supplement you should know that too much

iodine can suppress thyroid hormone production. Too little is obviously

a problem, but too much is also bad for the thyroid. I've read of one

person who had candida overgrowth vanish just from getting to a good

level of thyroid hormone.

Another thing you might look at is to have your ferritin, serum iron,

and total iron binding capacity tested. Iron overload is not uncommon at

all, and it affects the gut strongly (which is why it is very much

associated with colon cancers). Too much iron can also interfere with

thyroid function.

Your diet sounds good, antibiotics cannot be the cause still, so you

need to look at other body systems. Oh, you might want to test adrenal

function, and sex hormones, too. Hormone imbalances of any kind can set

up conditions for candida.

Also others have probably mentioned heavy metal toxicity, such as mercury.

Yet another thought is you might have low stomach acid.

There are just too many other things that could be causing this to blame

it on one past antibiotic.

sol

[Guest guest]

Hi Sol,

Thanks for your informative post and suggestions. I have to tell you that I

have an immune compromised situation from long standing viral infection that has

persisted ever since I first got it in 2003. This has made me suseptible ever

since and anything that happens to me, I don't tend to recover from properly or

it can takes many months. This condition has profoundly impacted my immunity.

As if it wasn't bad enough that I have also suffered severe mercury toxicity for

years.

I have been tested and thyroid did show up as a problem, which is why I got a

bit more iodine in my diet and needed magnesium too. I supplemented both and

noticed a very positive difference within a day or so. But this did not change

my gut condition at all. The gut condition, though already not good from the

virus, was affected dramatically by antibiotics. Yes only one week of them

changed alot of things! The symptoms I got from them continue to this day. I

did not have quite the same symptoms previous to them and a cheat would never

set me back weeks on end. It only used to set me back a day or so.

Since antibioitics, it takes me now 8 weeks to recover and this has persisted.

I have had blood tests and come up trumps in most of them (apart from the lack

of iodine). Iron and everything has been great. Probably attributed to my

healthy diet with plenty of meat and eggs etc.

Truly, though I had this viral problem and the many complications from it for

years and prior to antibiotics, my gut condition has become a severe problem

since antibioitics. I also started going into strange drug like sleeps after

them too and that is STILL with me. Nothing did this to me BUT the

antibioitics. I also had my gums recede after taking them. Many things have

worsened. One would think I'd have recovered yes, but I have not.

I also heard about another guy who took a course of antibiotics like me and I

think a year and a half later he mentioned he has never been the same since. It

appears that yes they can do this much damage to a person possibly already

vulnerable and may already be battling and underlying problem. I agree with you

though, there are other issues at work here. I do have residue mercury toxicity

from years of amalgams. I have had them out many years ago and did much

detoxing, but when I got the viral infection, everything changed. I did not

respond to detoxing properly. My immunity practically crashed. I still try on

occassion to chelate, but I find there is no real reaction to it or improvement

as there once was.

I do my best with my diet and I now try and exercise and force myself to do it

as I notice there is a strange reaction the day or so following. I taste and

feel metals - which is odd considering my lack of response to chelation. So

certainly there is something in there trying to come out. Perhaps alot of it is

in the gut and that maybe why I have persistant candida there. I'd say

antibiotics may have tipped the balance into a must worse situation, but perhaps

there are toxins that have migrated there and caused yeast to flourish?

I am not sure. Many reasons as you said. Brain mercury maybe one of them.

There are multiple problems at work with me for sure. one thing came after

another. But the antibiotics have truly been the worst possible thing for my

candida and that has certainly become FAR worse as a result.

>

>

[Guest guest]

It just goes to show that candida is not the only problem at work here, or we

would have recovered. Toxins/viral infections/chemicals/antibiotics etc, all

compromise immunity and sometimes to a severe degree. I guess it can be all or

any one of these issues (or others) that may cause a person to remain suseptible

to yeast to such a degree that a cheat can cause complete relapse, even a mild

one.

Though I have had all these issues, only antibiotics have made this much impact

to my gut and caused it to remain that way ever since. That just goes to show

that my recovery from such impacts is not up to par at all. So yeah, something

else is also at work as Sol pointed out.

I am finding, though I'm tired, if I force myself to exercise, along with the

diet, that there appears to be a strange and certain sense of metals trying to

come out. It usually happens the day after or so following physical activity.

I do not exercise everyday, as I need the break/s inbetween. But certainly it

has created a movement of " something " in me. I've tried chelating, but there

doesn't appear to be much impact with it anymore. I don't feel my gut is

honestly up to par though and able to excrete metals properly anyway. That

maybe why chelation isn't producing the impact it once did when my gut was in

somewhat better condition.

Perhaps the gut flora has been seriously disrupted by the antibiotics and this

maybe why toxins aren't passing through as they should. NOt that they did

before too well, but it's much worse now.

>

Adam, I feel exactly the same way--maybe someone can answer this for both of

us.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Adam, nothing you wrote indicates you are feeding the probiotic organisms even a

marginal amount of inulin to keep them active, like doctors have been doing for

thousands of years. An introduction to this important part of bowel therapy

appears here:

http://members.shaw.ca/duncancrow/inulin_prebiotic_probiotic.html

and

http://tinyurl.com/inulins

all good,

Duncan

>

> I've been on a strict candida diet for AGES. Low carbohydrate, and plenty of

protein in meat and eggs. Butter and other animal fats etc. This has worked in

the respect of keeping things " controlled " . However, since a course of

antibiotics a couple of years back, I am finding now even one small cheat will

cause me to relapse and take about 8 weeks to recover.

>

> This is no way to live. Yet this is how I've been living for the past 2

years. I am finding this diet works only when I've been on it long enough and I

stay on it. But where is the recovery? Why is my gut not recovering?

>

> Can anybody suggest what I can do? I take a multi vitamin and mineral

powdered supplement as a good foundation (which has a good high dose of vitamin

C). From there, I take extra in selenium, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal

ratios), a fish oil supplement, extra iodine (our country is low in selenium and

iodine, I have suffered severe iodine deficiency and the supplementing has

helped).

>

> What on earth do I do with a gut that has remained permanently (so far)

affected by only ONE WEEK of antibiotics 2 years ago? Is this possible for

antibiotics to destroy so much good bacteria and why has it not replenished

itself over time???? What is wrong with me? I tried eating ONE piece of fruit

and I relapsed. I felt like all the yeast had fed and released their alcohols

into my system. I felt drugged. SO I go back to my rigid diet, wait it out for

weeks on end and sure finally I start feeling somewhat better. But where is the

cure???? My gut is obviously not being fed the right stuff on this diet of

protein and fats because if it was, one small natural cheat would not produce

such a dramatic effect that takes weeks to recover from....something is missing.

It's just a stop gap, but it's not reversing the problem.

>

> Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

>

[Guest guest]

Adam, probiotics are known to NOT work unless they are fed and the culture

maintained in the gut. Thus the biggest mistake people on an anti-candida diet

make is missing feeding the culture the inulin that's missing from your diet.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Adam, I feel exactly the same way--maybe someone can answer this for both of

us.

>

> Advice please

>

>

> I've been on a strict candida diet for AGES. Low carbohydrate, and plenty of

protein in meat and eggs. Butter and other animal fats etc. This has worked in

the respect of keeping things " controlled " . However, since a course of

antibiotics a couple of years back, I am finding now even one small cheat will

cause me to relapse and take about 8 weeks to recover.

>

> This is no way to live. Yet this is how I've been living for the past 2

years. I am finding this diet works only when I've been on it long enough and I

stay on it. But where is the recovery? Why is my gut not recovering?

>

> Can anybody suggest what I can do? I take a multi vitamin and mineral

powdered supplement as a good foundation (which has a good high dose of vitamin

C). From there, I take extra in selenium, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal

ratios), a fish oil supplement, extra iodine (our country is low in selenium and

iodine, I have suffered severe iodine deficiency and the supplementing has

helped).

>

> What on earth do I do with a gut that has remained permanently (so far)

affected by only ONE WEEK of antibiotics 2 years ago? Is this possible for

antibiotics to destroy so much good bacteria and why has it not replenished

itself over time???? What is wrong with me? I tried eating ONE piece of fruit

and I relapsed. I felt like all the yeast had fed and released their alcohols

into my system. I felt drugged. SO I go back to my rigid diet, wait it out for

weeks on end and sure finally I start feeling somewhat better. But where is the

cure???? My gut is obviously not being fed the right stuff on this diet of

protein and fats because if it was, one small natural cheat would not produce

such a dramatic effect that takes weeks to recover from....something is missing.

It's just a stop gap, but it's not reversing the problem.

>

> Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

That's right Adam, candida never was the only problem. It fluorishes in the gut

AFTER bacterial dysbiosis occurs for long enough to allow the pH of the gut to

rise a few points.

Candida can not establish unless dysbiosis occurs because in that condition the

acid condition of the gut prevents it; similarly candida will not go away

without correcting the dysbiosis. Inulin is the feed for probiotics that

increase gut acidity, dropping the pH to a level that is not conducive for

either candida or pathogenic bacterial growth.

Here's an inulin primer:

http://tinyurl.com/inulins

all good,

Duncan

>

> It just goes to show that candida is not the only problem at work here, or we

would have recovered. Toxins/viral infections/chemicals/antibiotics etc, all

compromise immunity and sometimes to a severe degree. I guess it can be all or

any one of these issues (or others) that may cause a person to remain suseptible

to yeast to such a degree that a cheat can cause complete relapse, even a mild

one.

>

> Though I have had all these issues, only antibiotics have made this much

impact to my gut and caused it to remain that way ever since. That just goes to

show that my recovery from such impacts is not up to par at all. So yeah,

something else is also at work as Sol pointed out.

>

> I am finding, though I'm tired, if I force myself to exercise, along with the

diet, that there appears to be a strange and certain sense of metals trying to

come out. It usually happens the day after or so following physical activity.

I do not exercise everyday, as I need the break/s inbetween. But certainly it

has created a movement of " something " in me. I've tried chelating, but there

doesn't appear to be much impact with it anymore. I don't feel my gut is

honestly up to par though and able to excrete metals properly anyway. That

maybe why chelation isn't producing the impact it once did when my gut was in

somewhat better condition.

>

> Perhaps the gut flora has been seriously disrupted by the antibiotics and this

maybe why toxins aren't passing through as they should. NOt that they did

before too well, but it's much worse now.

>

>

> >

>

>

>

> Adam, I feel exactly the same way--maybe someone can answer this for both of

us.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

duncan, can you tell me how much inulin garlic contains?  i eat about three big

cloves a day.  does this do any good?

 

thanks, sarah

From: Duncan Crow <duncancrow@...>

Subject: Re: Advice please

candidiasis

Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 10:32 AM

Adam, probiotics are known to NOT work unless they are fed and the culture

maintained in the gut. Thus the biggest mistake people on an anti-candida diet

make is missing feeding the culture the inulin that's missing from your diet.

all good,

Duncan

>

> Adam, I feel exactly the same way--maybe someone can answer this for both of

us.

>

> Advice please

>

>

> I've been on a strict candida diet for AGES. Low carbohydrate, and plenty of

protein in meat and eggs. Butter and other animal fats etc. This has worked in

the respect of keeping things " controlled " . However, since a course of

antibiotics a couple of years back, I am finding now even one small cheat will

cause me to relapse and take about 8 weeks to recover.

>

> This is no way to live. Yet this is how I've been living for the past 2 years.

I am finding this diet works only when I've been on it long enough and I stay on

it. But where is the recovery? Why is my gut not recovering?

>

> Can anybody suggest what I can do? I take a multi vitamin and mineral powdered

supplement as a good foundation (which has a good high dose of vitamin C). From

there, I take extra in selenium, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal ratios), a fish

oil supplement, extra iodine (our country is low in selenium and iodine, I have

suffered severe iodine deficiency and the supplementing has helped).

>

> What on earth do I do with a gut that has remained permanently (so far)

affected by only ONE WEEK of antibiotics 2 years ago? Is this possible for

antibiotics to destroy so much good bacteria and why has it not replenished

itself over time???? What is wrong with me? I tried eating ONE piece of fruit

and I relapsed. I felt like all the yeast had fed and released their alcohols

into my system. I felt drugged. SO I go back to my rigid diet, wait it out for

weeks on end and sure finally I start feeling somewhat better. But where is the

cure???? My gut is obviously not being fed the right stuff on this diet of

protein and fats because if it was, one small natural cheat would not produce

such a dramatic effect that takes weeks to recover from....something is missing.

It's just a stop gap, but it's not reversing the problem.

>

> Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

When I do my PH test it always comes out the ideal number. Yet I have candida.

Does this mean the PH test is wrong?

Vicky

>

> That's right Adam, candida never was the only problem. It fluorishes in the

gut AFTER bacterial dysbiosis occurs for long enough to allow the pH of the gut

to rise a few points.

>

>

[Guest guest]

I was surprised too when I got candida and thrush afret 10 days on 2 type

antibiotics with PPI ( Acid reducing drug) for H Pylori infection. If I would

know those time that it could be treated without drugs I would not do that.

But I think I have reason for candida before that too.

Fists vitamin -D deficiency you must check and other minerals like zink - i HAD

D PROBLEM AND TOOK IT IN HUGE QUANTITIES

- adrenal function saliva test - I think I have adrenal fatigue long before

candida but I didn`t know what is it about. i am going to see endocrinologost in

this regard bc I can`t tolerate supplement from my integrative doc

- diabetis,prediabetis, allergy,food, mold and chemical intolerances,

hypoglycemia, AIDs, etc.

- overeating, malabsorbtion of carbohyfrantes or fats or protein

- celiac desease or gluten intolerance

- indigestion, low acidity, gastroparesiS

- intake of H 2 blockets, antacids and many drugs in generally

- aspARTAME , hfcs AND OTHER TOXIC ADDITIVES AND FOOD, PESTICIDES, ETC

-HORMONE INTAKE - CORTISOL, AND OTHER LIKE SEX HORMONES

- STRONG STRESS, PTSD

>

> Hi Sol,

>

> Thanks for your informative post and suggestions. I have to tell you that I

have an immune compromised situation from long standing viral infection that has

persisted ever since I first got it in 2003. This has made me suseptible ever

since and anything that happens to me, I don't tend to recover from properly or

it can takes many months. This condition has profoundly impacted my immunity.

As if it wasn't bad enough that I have also suffered severe mercury toxicity for

years.

>

> I have been tested and thyroid did show up as a problem, which is why I got a

bit more iodine in my diet and needed magnesium too. I supplemented both and

noticed a very positive difference within a day or so. But this did not change

my gut condition at all. The gut condition, though already not good from the

virus, was affected dramatically by antibiotics. Yes only one week of them

changed alot of things! The symptoms I got from them continue to this day. I

did not have quite the same symptoms previous to them and a cheat would never

set me back weeks on end. It only used to set me back a day or so.

>

> Since antibioitics, it takes me now 8 weeks to recover and this has persisted.

I have had blood tests and come up trumps in most of them (apart from the lack

of iodine). Iron and everything has been great. Probably attributed to my

healthy diet with plenty of meat and eggs etc.

>

> Truly, though I had this viral problem and the many complications from it for

years and prior to antibiotics, my gut condition has become a severe problem

since antibioitics. I also started going into strange drug like sleeps after

them too and that is STILL with me. Nothing did this to me BUT the

antibioitics. I also had my gums recede after taking them. Many things have

worsened. One would think I'd have recovered yes, but I have not.

>

> I also heard about another guy who took a course of antibiotics like me and I

think a year and a half later he mentioned he has never been the same since. It

appears that yes they can do this much damage to a person possibly already

vulnerable and may already be battling and underlying problem. I agree with you

though, there are other issues at work here. I do have residue mercury toxicity

from years of amalgams. I have had them out many years ago and did much

detoxing, but when I got the viral infection, everything changed. I did not

respond to detoxing properly. My immunity practically crashed. I still try on

occassion to chelate, but I find there is no real reaction to it or improvement

as there once was.

>

> I do my best with my diet and I now try and exercise and force myself to do it

as I notice there is a strange reaction the day or so following. I taste and

feel metals - which is odd considering my lack of response to chelation. So

certainly there is something in there trying to come out. Perhaps alot of it is

in the gut and that maybe why I have persistant candida there. I'd say

antibiotics may have tipped the balance into a must worse situation, but perhaps

there are toxins that have migrated there and caused yeast to flourish?

>

> I am not sure. Many reasons as you said. Brain mercury maybe one of them.

There are multiple problems at work with me for sure. one thing came after

another. But the antibiotics have truly been the worst possible thing for my

candida and that has certainly become FAR worse as a result.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan. Your advice makes absolute sense to me. It appears that it is

not enough to starve yeast in correcting dybiosis - because if there is a lack

of the feeding of good bacteria, surely that yeast will return in a flash as

soon as a person slips up, which has been observed in my case time and time

again. This leads to constant failure. I'm not perfect, I have slipped up and

8 weeks to recover is ridiculous. As I said, this is not a life for anybody.

My diet may not be perfect, but I'll give you the low down on the foods I do

consume and let me know what you think:

Meat (chicken, beef, liver, lamb, etc), eggs, lots of onions and tomatoes, raw

salads on occassion (not enough, I'm trying to increase). So that is cucumber,

celery, alfalfa, lettuce, tomatoe. I have plenty of animal fats in butter and

the fat on meat. I also consume extra virgin olive oil. i find coconut oil too

strong for me, which might indicate how serious my yeast problems are.

I will have to admit I do consume some acidophilus yoghurt (sugar free) and do

also consume some raw nuts in almonds and brazil. I did go off these, but did

not notice much of a change or improvement. I have no fruit, no grain, no high

carb vegetables. Am I making some mistakes here with excluding all of those?

Is there any room for including any of them?

What do you think? I had a look at your web page and it made sense to me. I

gather I must be having some inulin from the onions. I doubt that bananas would

be good? ;-) Since I seem to get a flare up of yeast when I consume any

fruits. However, I am also wondering something. If some of these foods feed

the yeast, would they also in turn be feeding the good bacteria? So isn't this

a two edged sword in the respect of the constant avoidance of them in trying to

stop yeast, but not really feeding the good bacteria in doing so.

I am not in a financial position at this time to afford more supplements.

Though I may have to get them at some point. Can I make up more inulin in the

particular foods you have given on your site? Would dandelion tea/coffee be

helpful too? I LOVE bananas, but fruit seems to be off the menu for me. My

yeast tend to feed off it as well as it does sugar.

I am really concerned that what I have been doing has been trying to control the

inevitable without actually fixing the problem. Do you suggest a person take

probiotics AND inulin at the sametime? Is it best to start with one first

before introducing the other? Sorry for all the questions, but I really do not

wish to live on a strict diet with the fear constantly of falling into even a

mild cheat and severe consequences. Yes I guess I could live like this

indefinitely, but is this even realistic?

>

> That's right Adam, candida never was the only problem. It fluorishes in the

gut AFTER bacterial dysbiosis occurs for long enough to allow the pH of the gut

to rise a few points.

>

> Candida can not establish unless dysbiosis occurs because in that condition

the acid condition of the gut prevents it; similarly candida will not go away

without correcting the dysbiosis. Inulin is the feed for probiotics that

increase gut acidity, dropping the pH to a level that is not conducive for

either candida or pathogenic bacterial growth.

>

> Here's an inulin primer:

> http://tinyurl.com/inulins

>

> all good,

>

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

Maybe you both have leaky gut syndrome, when the yeast drills holes in the gut

lining and food and toxins go through. Make it harder to beat candida. Have you

had an intestinal permeability test?

Vicky

>

> Adam, I feel exactly the same way--maybe someone can answer this for both of

us.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hi Vicky,

No, I haven't had an intestinal permeability test. I may need to see my doctor

and start asking for more tests done in this respect. She actually gave me

baking soda to take! Told me to increase till I get to 3 teaspoons a day (1, 3

times per day). Then level off and maintain it at two. Her reasons for this

was to increase alkilinity in the body. Some say this is bogus! This was not

advised by somebody on another candida forum. Though baking soda maybe

antifungal, it apparently can cause mineral imbalance (or depletion) and

excessive sodium.

I tried it, but did not like my reaction to it. I'm not sure if it was die off

or what. I only did one or two days of it, but I had some strange symptoms

after it.

At any rate, I stopped taking it. This diet does eventually help me, but I fear

there is far more going on here than the diet can completely address. I feel a

bit like it's just damage control, rather than healing the damage! I'm not sure

what words to use to describe it. Certainly there is no doubt that when I'm on

the diet for long enough, that I feel better. I think better, act better, look

better. But it feels a bit like walking on a tight rope. One wrong move and

I'm down for a long time. It's not a nice feeling to live this way, but it may

simply be a reality for me unless I can do the right things to heal the

underlying problem. I suspect there are multiple issues at work here.

> Maybe you both have leaky gut syndrome, when the yeast drills holes in the gut

lining and food and toxins go through. Make it harder to beat candida. Have you

had an intestinal permeability test?

>

> Vicky

>

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

How do you do your pH test Vicky? Maybe we'll get to the bottom of it. And, my

text below referred to bowel pH, not saliva pH; are you also doing bowel pH

tests?

Duncan

> >

> > That's right Adam, candida never was the only problem. It fluorishes in the

gut AFTER bacterial dysbiosis occurs for long enough to allow the pH of the gut

to rise a few points.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

, about 36 grams of garlic contains a dose of inulin. That's about 3 large

bulbs. Similarly, 6 pounds of onion. More examples are on my inulin page:

http://tinyurl.com/inulins

Duncan

> >

> > Adam, I feel exactly the same way--maybe someone can answer this for both of

us.

> >

> > Advice please

> >

> >

> > I've been on a strict candida diet for AGES. Low carbohydrate, and plenty of

protein in meat and eggs. Butter and other animal fats etc. This has worked in

the respect of keeping things " controlled " . However, since a course of

antibiotics a couple of years back, I am finding now even one small cheat will

cause me to relapse and take about 8 weeks to recover.

> >

> > This is no way to live. Yet this is how I've been living for the past 2

years. I am finding this diet works only when I've been on it long enough and I

stay on it. But where is the recovery? Why is my gut not recovering?

> >

> > Can anybody suggest what I can do? I take a multi vitamin and mineral

powdered supplement as a good foundation (which has a good high dose of vitamin

C). From there, I take extra in selenium, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal

ratios), a fish oil supplement, extra iodine (our country is low in selenium and

iodine, I have suffered severe iodine deficiency and the supplementing has

helped).

> >

> > What on earth do I do with a gut that has remained permanently (so far)

affected by only ONE WEEK of antibiotics 2 years ago? Is this possible for

antibiotics to destroy so much good bacteria and why has it not replenished

itself over time???? What is wrong with me? I tried eating ONE piece of fruit

and I relapsed. I felt like all the yeast had fed and released their alcohols

into my system. I felt drugged. SO I go back to my rigid diet, wait it out for

weeks on end and sure finally I start feeling somewhat better. But where is the

cure???? My gut is obviously not being fed the right stuff on this diet of

protein and fats because if it was, one small natural cheat would not produce

such a dramatic effect that takes weeks to recover from....something is missing.

It's just a stop gap, but it's not reversing the problem.

> >

> > Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

I think your diet looks OK Adam with the exclusions; just increase the inulin a

bit. You can include low-carb fruits in small amounts. I prefer deodorized

coconut oil for cooking with; maybe that'll help you keep it in your diet.

Yes some foods feed the yeast and pathogens as well as the probiotics; these

organisms work this kind of food faster than the probiotics do.

Take the probiotics with the inulin to prolong their contact time. Chicory

coffee contains as much as 3 grams of inulin but it's also very high in

acrylamide, a carcinogen.

Yes, I think it's realistic to maintain this diet for the rest of your life; I

think the anti-candida diet is the healthiest diet of all for several

carb-related reasons. You can even cheat a little, but bananas are the

highest-carb fruit, so avoid them.

Duncan

>

> Thanks Duncan. Your advice makes absolute sense to me. It appears that it is

not enough to starve yeast in correcting dybiosis - because if there is a lack

of the feeding of good bacteria, surely that yeast will return in a flash as

soon as a person slips up, which has been observed in my case time and time

again. This leads to constant failure. I'm not perfect, I have slipped up and

8 weeks to recover is ridiculous. As I said, this is not a life for anybody.

>

> My diet may not be perfect, but I'll give you the low down on the foods I do

consume and let me know what you think:

>

> Meat (chicken, beef, liver, lamb, etc), eggs, lots of onions and tomatoes, raw

salads on occassion (not enough, I'm trying to increase). So that is cucumber,

celery, alfalfa, lettuce, tomatoe. I have plenty of animal fats in butter and

the fat on meat. I also consume extra virgin olive oil. i find coconut oil too

strong for me, which might indicate how serious my yeast problems are.

>

> I will have to admit I do consume some acidophilus yoghurt (sugar free) and do

also consume some raw nuts in almonds and brazil. I did go off these, but did

not notice much of a change or improvement. I have no fruit, no grain, no high

carb vegetables. Am I making some mistakes here with excluding all of those?

Is there any room for including any of them?

>

> What do you think? I had a look at your web page and it made sense to me. I

gather I must be having some inulin from the onions. I doubt that bananas would

be good? ;-) Since I seem to get a flare up of yeast when I consume any

fruits. However, I am also wondering something. If some of these foods feed

the yeast, would they also in turn be feeding the good bacteria? So isn't this

a two edged sword in the respect of the constant avoidance of them in trying to

stop yeast, but not really feeding the good bacteria in doing so.

>

> I am not in a financial position at this time to afford more supplements.

Though I may have to get them at some point. Can I make up more inulin in the

particular foods you have given on your site? Would dandelion tea/coffee be

helpful too? I LOVE bananas, but fruit seems to be off the menu for me. My

yeast tend to feed off it as well as it does sugar.

>

> I am really concerned that what I have been doing has been trying to control

the inevitable without actually fixing the problem. Do you suggest a person

take probiotics AND inulin at the sametime? Is it best to start with one first

before introducing the other? Sorry for all the questions, but I really do not

wish to live on a strict diet with the fear constantly of falling into even a

mild cheat and severe consequences. Yes I guess I could live like this

indefinitely, but is this even realistic?

>

>

> >

> > That's right Adam, candida never was the only problem. It fluorishes in the

gut AFTER bacterial dysbiosis occurs for long enough to allow the pH of the gut

to rise a few points.

> >

> > Candida can not establish unless dysbiosis occurs because in that condition

the acid condition of the gut prevents it; similarly candida will not go away

without correcting the dysbiosis. Inulin is the feed for probiotics that

increase gut acidity, dropping the pH to a level that is not conducive for

either candida or pathogenic bacterial growth.

> >

> > Here's an inulin primer:

> > http://tinyurl.com/inulins

> >

> > all good,

> >

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks Duncan. By low carb fruits, which fruits are those exactly? The only

" fruit " I consume is lemons and tomatoes. Can you give me an idea of any others

apart from coconut oil? I have relapsed on consuming fruit before, so I'm

somewhat apprehensive about it. I tend to feel sick on coconut oil, but then I

assume that maybe die off. I may get some and just use it for cooking, rather

than eating it. I figure I was probably consuming too much of it.

I am going to wait until I feel better. I have had a very bad cheating binge in

recent times, which has knocked me for a six. I dont' know why I did it, but I

ate something and it triggered things off, so I went hell for leather. I think

my mentality said that I relapse completely on a small cheat, so I just went for

it. Probably not wise ;-) I am paying for it big time. So I don't think it's

wise for me to introduce probiotics at this point because I've done it before

and released far too many toxins than my body could cope with (or process) and I

think it's because I wasn't on the diet for long enough before adding them in.

I feel that the yeast must be reduced first and those toxins cleared, before the

addition of probiotics, because I know how powerful they can be!

What is your take on non gluten grain? I used to consume it and was ok (to a

point). I had to be careful, but did manage to get away with it. After

antibiotics, I was unable to eat any grain at all, even non gluten.

I personally do not think I will be able to take even a little, unless/until the

gut flora is re-established and I don't think that will happen until I get over

this cheat stage and then add the products you have mentioned.

Is my consumption of acidophilus yoghurt (sugar free) and some raw nuts

(almonds/brazil) and seeds a bad thing? I enjoy them. I'm glad to hear that

such a diet is healthy enough to use life long. It's always good to get more

than one opinion on diets such as these. Certainly, when I'm on it for long

enough, I feel better and look better. It's just my problem with relapsing so

severely after a mild cheat that I need to address.

Thanks again for your advice.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Oh. No I just bought test strips and tested urine and saliva. How would you do a

bowel pH?

>

> How do you do your pH test Vicky? Maybe we'll get to the bottom of it. And, my

text below referred to bowel pH, not saliva pH; are you also doing bowel pH

tests?

>

> Duncan

>

[Guest guest]

I don't think baking soda is a great idea but I would recommend apple cider

vinegar, 6 tablespoons maximum per day sipped in plenty of water. It helps me

and when I started it I got a ton of dead yeast (after 3 days had bad fatigue

and die-off symptoms and saw yeast, followed by feeling better at least for a

while). It also alkalinizes. It doesn't upset my stomach and I think it helps w

low stomach acid, as I'm afraid to take Betaine (will ask my dr. about that

tomorrow when I see him).

Genova Diagnostics as well as some other labs do the leaky gut test. I will get

my results tomorrow. Am going to a very good doctor (Dr. Galland, this will be

my second visit.) I have your same situation except that with me if I stick to a

very low carb diet I quickly get the flu or other virus and only carbs make me

recover--this is for the past couple of months. I also cannot deal with losing

more weight than I have and the low-carb diet leads to more of that--I think

that's why it sinks my immune system. I too think the diet just keeps it from

flaring but doesn't get rid of it. I think antioxidants will be part of the

treatment. If I learn anything useful from the doctor I will post it here.

Vicky

>

> Hi Vicky,

>

> No, I haven't had an intestinal permeability test. I may need to see my

doctor and start asking for more tests done in this respect. She actually gave

me baking soda to take! Told me to increase till I get to 3 teaspoons a day (1,

3 times per day). Then level off and maintain it at two. Her reasons for this

was to increase alkilinity in the body. Some say this is bogus! This was not

advised by somebody on another candida forum. Though baking soda maybe

antifungal, it apparently can cause mineral imbalance (or depletion) and

excessive sodium.

>

> I tried it, but did not like my reaction to it. I'm not sure if it was die

off or what. I only did one or two days of it, but I had some strange symptoms

after it.

>

>

> At any rate, I stopped taking it. This diet does eventually help me, but I

fear there is far more going on here than the diet can completely address. I

feel a bit like it's just damage control, rather than healing the damage! I'm

not sure what words to use to describe it. Certainly there is no doubt that

when I'm on the diet for long enough, that I feel better. I think better, act

better, look better. But it feels a bit like walking on a tight rope. One

wrong move and I'm down for a long time. It's not a nice feeling to live this

way, but it may simply be a reality for me unless I can do the right things to

heal the underlying problem. I suspect there are multiple issues at work here.

>

>

>

>

> > Maybe you both have leaky gut syndrome, when the yeast drills holes in the

gut lining and food and toxins go through. Make it harder to beat candida. Have

you had an intestinal permeability test?

> >

> > Vicky

> >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Bowel pH varies with distance and ecology. You probably don't have to test it

because you can't control it except with inulin and diet. Catching some feces in

a container and dipping the pH paper in is probably the right way to do it tho'

Duncan

> >

> > How do you do your pH test Vicky? Maybe we'll get to the bottom of it. And,

my text below referred to bowel pH, not saliva pH; are you also doing bowel pH

tests?

> >

> > Duncan

> >

>

[Guest guest]

I think a look at " glycemic loading " food charts like a diabetic does is key

here. Non-gluten grain is still mostly carbohydrate. I suggest to everyone

including candida patients to avoid all grains when they can.

Seeds can be half oil, half carb so an't as bad carbwise as grains.

Duncan

>

> Thanks Duncan. By low carb fruits, which fruits are those exactly? The only

" fruit " I consume is lemons and tomatoes. Can you give me an idea of any others

apart from coconut oil? I have relapsed on consuming fruit before, so I'm

somewhat apprehensive about it. I tend to feel sick on coconut oil, but then I

assume that maybe die off. I may get some and just use it for cooking, rather

than eating it. I figure I was probably consuming too much of it.

>

> I am going to wait until I feel better. I have had a very bad cheating binge

in recent times, which has knocked me for a six. I dont' know why I did it, but

I ate something and it triggered things off, so I went hell for leather. I

think my mentality said that I relapse completely on a small cheat, so I just

went for it. Probably not wise ;-) I am paying for it big time. So I don't

think it's wise for me to introduce probiotics at this point because I've done

it before and released far too many toxins than my body could cope with (or

process) and I think it's because I wasn't on the diet for long enough before

adding them in. I feel that the yeast must be reduced first and those toxins

cleared, before the addition of probiotics, because I know how powerful they can

be!

>

> What is your take on non gluten grain? I used to consume it and was ok (to a

point). I had to be careful, but did manage to get away with it. After

antibiotics, I was unable to eat any grain at all, even non gluten.

>

> I personally do not think I will be able to take even a little, unless/until

the gut flora is re-established and I don't think that will happen until I get

over this cheat stage and then add the products you have mentioned.

>

> Is my consumption of acidophilus yoghurt (sugar free) and some raw nuts

(almonds/brazil) and seeds a bad thing? I enjoy them. I'm glad to hear that

such a diet is healthy enough to use life long. It's always good to get more

than one opinion on diets such as these. Certainly, when I'm on it for long

enough, I feel better and look better. It's just my problem with relapsing so

severely after a mild cheat that I need to address.

>

> Thanks again for your advice.

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

This paper says it's made for urine and saliva so I don't know if that would

work. My doctor told me not to take inulin, so I don't see that as an option,

plus it makes me ill. Maybe after I get somewhat better I could tolerate it.

Right now he put me on lactobacillus plantarum because my lactobacillus is low,

and he put me on some kind of amino acid (marketing name is Zen) to sleep

better. He gets annoyed if I do things he didn't tell me to do. Which is good,

because otherwise I make myself sick trying anything.

Vicky

> Bowel pH varies with distance and ecology. You probably don't have to test it

because you can't control it except with inulin and diet. Catching some feces in

a container and dipping the pH paper in is probably the right way to do it tho'

>

> Duncan

>

>

[Guest guest]

Have you had a CDSA and parasite test? It can show you some of what's going on.

Do you know what virus you have? My dr. said my always-reversed white and red

blood cells mean longstanding virus. Maybe it's relapsing EBV, I did test

positive for early antibodies.

I believe one week of antibiotics could trigger an underlying condition. Maybe

you have some other kind of bacterial overgrowth that needs natural antibiotics

or even prescription ones that are monitored and with Nystatin and probiotics

alongside. Maybe digestive enzymes too. Have you been tested for Lyme and

babesiosis? They can lead to heavy metal toxicity, compromised immune system,

viral infections and all that (and are often mistaken for viruses).

Have you tried ProBoost A Thymic Protein? It's very good stuff for immunity,

when I get sick I take it and if I take it soon enough I get better, otherwise

it just shortens the illness. Dr. Teitelbaum says it's the most important

supplement. Shomon highly recommends it too. I've been taking it for

several years. If I could afford it I'd take it 3 times a day, but I save it for

when I catch something, or take 1 pack a day during flareups.

Vicky

>

> Hi Sol,

>

> Thanks for your informative post and suggestions. I have to tell you that I

have an immune compromised situation from long standing viral infection that has

persisted ever since I first got it in 2003. This has made me suseptible ever

since and anything that happens to me, I don't tend to recover from properly or

it can takes many months. This condition has profoundly impacted my immunity.

As if it wasn't bad enough that I have also suffered severe mercury toxicity for

years.

>

>