advice please

[Guest guest]

I get strange illnesses also!  I had something like the flu last week, but it

was clearly triggered by drinking oregano tea on top of some new high-potency

digestive enzymes plus olive leaf and caprylic acid.  I had to eat rice and

fruit and even maple syrup.  I tried not to, but honestly felt like I might die

if I didn't.  I felt like I had a bleeding ulcer or something.  Another time

there was severe vertigo. 

 

Anyway it's nice to hear someone else has the same experiences.

 

I'm seeng a new doctor next week.  ly I'm not too optimistic, because in

the past not one doctor has been able to explain some of my more unusual

symptoms. 

 

It seems to me that sometimes I just overdo it on the anti-fungals.  My new

protocol is if I feel I can fall asleep without them,  to not take more of

them.  (There are two conditions that prevent me from sleeping:  candida growing

or candida dying drastically.)

 

 

From: multitoed <whimwham@...>

Subject: Re: Advice please

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 6:51 PM

I don't think baking soda is a great idea but I would recommend apple cider

vinegar, 6 tablespoons maximum per day sipped in plenty of water. It helps me

and when I started it I got a ton of dead yeast (after 3 days had bad fatigue

and die-off symptoms and saw yeast, followed by feeling better at least for a

while). It also alkalinizes. It doesn't upset my stomach and I think it helps w

low stomach acid, as I'm afraid to take Betaine (will ask my dr. about that

tomorrow when I see him).

Genova Diagnostics as well as some other labs do the leaky gut test. I will get

my results tomorrow. Am going to a very good doctor (Dr. Galland, this will be

my second visit.) I have your same situation except that with me if I stick to a

very low carb diet I quickly get the flu or other virus and only carbs make me

recover--this is for the past couple of months. I also cannot deal with losing

more weight than I have and the low-carb diet leads to more of that--I think

that's why it sinks my immune system. I too think the diet just keeps it from

flaring but doesn't get rid of it. I think antioxidants will be part of the

treatment. If I learn anything useful from the doctor I will post it here.

Vicky

>

> Hi Vicky,

>

> No, I haven't had an intestinal permeability test. I may need to see my doctor

and start asking for more tests done in this respect. She actually gave me

baking soda to take! Told me to increase till I get to 3 teaspoons a day (1, 3

times per day). Then level off and maintain it at two. Her reasons for this was

to increase alkilinity in the body. Some say this is bogus! This was not advised

by somebody on another candida forum. Though baking soda maybe antifungal, it

apparently can cause mineral imbalance (or depletion) and excessive sodium.

>

> I tried it, but did not like my reaction to it. I'm not sure if it was die off

or what. I only did one or two days of it, but I had some strange symptoms after

it.

>

>

> At any rate, I stopped taking it. This diet does eventually help me, but I

fear there is far more going on here than the diet can completely address. I

feel a bit like it's just damage control, rather than healing the damage! I'm

not sure what words to use to describe it. Certainly there is no doubt that when

I'm on the diet for long enough, that I feel better. I think better, act better,

look better. But it feels a bit like walking on a tight rope. One wrong move and

I'm down for a long time. It's not a nice feeling to live this way, but it may

simply be a reality for me unless I can do the right things to heal the

underlying problem. I suspect there are multiple issues at work here.

>

>

>

>

> > Maybe you both have leaky gut syndrome, when the yeast drills holes in the

gut lining and food and toxins go through. Make it harder to beat candida. Have

you had an intestinal permeability test?

> >

> > Vicky

> >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Baking soda will neutralize stomach acid when swallowed, and people with candida

already have low stomach

acid levels! Your stomach needs this acid to digest food.. please don't take

baking soda. The recommendations online for taking baking soda for

cancer/fungus are not *swallowed* in the recommendation, they are used

internally as a wash directly in

the body cavity by a doctor who had to administer the treatment.

Instead of focusing on all of these different treatments, start focusing on WHY

you cheated, and how you can avoid that in the future. The candida diet is

based on a paleolithic diet and as such I recommend it not just for candida but

for LIFE. This is the way humans evolved to eat, not the processed man-made

crap that passes for food.

It's no wonder you felt sick when you ate it. Your body is telling you

something. I know it's easier said than done, which is why I'm suggesting that

you focus on the reasons WHY you went off eating your diet, and see if you can

find a way to stick with it by focusing your energies that way.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: adam_antics34

>

> Hi Vicky,

>

> No, I haven't had an intestinal permeability test. I may need to see my

doctor

> and start asking for more tests done in this respect. She actually gave me

> baking soda to take! Told me to increase till I get to 3 teaspoons a day (1,

3

> times per day). Then level off and maintain it at two. Her reasons for this

> was to increase alkilinity in the body. Some say this is bogus! This was not

> advised by somebody on another candida forum. Though baking soda maybe

> antifungal, it apparently can cause mineral imbalance (or depletion) and

> excessive sodium.

>

> I tried it, but did not like my reaction to it. I'm not sure if it was die

off

> or what. I only did one or two days of it, but I had some strange symptoms

> after it.

>

>

> At any rate, I stopped taking it. This diet does eventually help me, but I

fear

> there is far more going on here than the diet can completely address. I feel

a

> bit like it's just damage control, rather than healing the damage! I'm not

sure

> what words to use to describe it. Certainly there is no doubt that when I'm

on

> the diet for long enough, that I feel better. I think better, act better,

look

> better. But it feels a bit like walking on a tight rope. One wrong move and

> I'm down for a long time. It's not a nice feeling to live this way, but it

may

> simply be a reality for me unless I can do the right things to heal the

> underlying problem. I suspect there are multiple issues at work here.

[Guest guest]

Please clarify - as I use 1/4 tsp of baking soda when I take my vitamin

c...is this not a good thing? It came from another list....but I'd prefer

clarification from this group.

Thank you

Caryn

_____

From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

Behalf Of Debby Padilla-Hudson

Sent: Monday, March 16, 2009 11:11 AM

candidiasis

Subject: Re: Re: Advice please

Baking soda will neutralize stomach acid when swallowed, and people with

candida already have low stomach

acid levels! Your stomach needs this acid to digest food.. please don't take

baking soda. The recommendations online for taking baking soda for

cancer/fungus are not *swallowed* in the recommendation, they are used

internally as a wash directly in

the body cavity by a doctor who had to administer the treatment.

Instead of focusing on all of these different treatments, start focusing on

WHY you cheated, and how you can avoid that in the future. The candida diet

is based on a paleolithic diet and as such I recommend it not just for

candida but for LIFE. This is the way humans evolved to eat, not the

processed man-made crap that passes for food.

It's no wonder you felt sick when you ate it. Your body is telling you

something. I know it's easier said than done, which is why I'm suggesting

that you focus on the reasons WHY you went off eating your diet, and see if

you can find a way to stick with it by focusing your energies that way.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturall <http://www.naturallythriving.com>

ythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: adam_antics34

>

> Hi Vicky,

>

> No, I haven't had an intestinal permeability test. I may need to see my

doctor

> and start asking for more tests done in this respect. She actually gave me

> baking soda to take! Told me to increase till I get to 3 teaspoons a day

(1, 3

> times per day). Then level off and maintain it at two. Her reasons for

this

> was to increase alkilinity in the body. Some say this is bogus! This was

not

> advised by somebody on another candida forum. Though baking soda maybe

> antifungal, it apparently can cause mineral imbalance (or depletion) and

> excessive sodium.

>

> I tried it, but did not like my reaction to it. I'm not sure if it was die

off

> or what. I only did one or two days of it, but I had some strange symptoms

> after it.

>

>

> At any rate, I stopped taking it. This diet does eventually help me, but I

fear

> there is far more going on here than the diet can completely address. I

feel a

> bit like it's just damage control, rather than healing the damage! I'm not

sure

> what words to use to describe it. Certainly there is no doubt that when

I'm on

> the diet for long enough, that I feel better. I think better, act better,

look

> better. But it feels a bit like walking on a tight rope. One wrong move

and

> I'm down for a long time. It's not a nice feeling to live this way, but it

may

> simply be a reality for me unless I can do the right things to heal the

> underlying problem. I suspect there are multiple issues at work here.

[Guest guest]

If you are taking vitamin C in a form that needs buffering with baking soda you

should look for another form. The baking soda is supposed to protect your teeth

from the acid in the vitamin C if IIRC, but you could put it in a capsule and

skip the baking soda's issues. Swallowing baking soda is bad news for many

reasons.

Please be very careful about the advice you get from Bee Wilder.. she has mental

problems and gives dangerous advice. Unfortunately she is effective at being

very confident and authoritative in her bad advice, which many people find

appealing (called the fallacy of authority). In fact I'd say be wary of anyone

who is so confident in themselves that they insist they have all the answers.

No one has all the answers, otherwise we would not have the health problems we

do.

Some more info:

http://www.healthyhomecookin.com/health_tips_pgs/tips_baking_powder.htm

Problems with 'regular' baking powder and baking soda are two fold. The aluminum

and the soda or sodium bicarbonate.

Aluminum may cause an inhibition of intestinal absorption of phosphorus and this

may be followed by an increase in calcium loss. The effect is probably due to

the binding of dietary phosphorus in the intestine by the aluminum. (Spencer &

Lender, 1979). Much has been written on the harmful effects of aluminum.

As for sodium bicarbonate The Poison Control Center lists baking soda under

poisons, with directions what to do if swallowed!! Many dieticians recommend

avoiding baking soda because it interferes with nutrition absorption and can

lead to inflammation of joints, etc.

The use of soda or baking powder is harmful and unnecessary. Soda causes

inflammation of the stomach, and often poisons the entire system (Counsels on

Diet and Foods, p342).

The body makes sodium bicarbonate to neutralize stomach acids after digestion is

complete. But when you eat foods with baking soda in them (almost all baking

powders contain soda) you impede the digestion right from the start. Poor

digestion, poor absorption of nutrients, increase of toxin build up, and so on.

http://www.bodyformind.com/db

If you take too much baking soda, or any antacid medication, then you start to

neutralize the acid in the stomach. The stomach then compensates by producing

more acid, leading to you taking more baking soda or antacid. This can exhaust

the stomach cells and so the levels of stomach acid can drop over time. You

might think this is a good thing for your heartburn, but reduced levels of

stomach acid can impair digestion to such an extent that food is not properly

broken down. Allergies and inflammation in various areas of the body can be the

result.

Those suffering from high blood pressure should avoid excess sodium, which is

present in baking soda and many antacids. Some antacids also contain calcium and

magnesium which can cause mineral imbalances over a long period of time and

aluminum salts which have been associated with Alzheimer’s disease. Note also

that some medicines and also some medical conditions can weaken the esophageal

sphincter and cause acid reflux. These include: calcium channel blockers for

hypertension, asthma medication, anxiety medication, antihistamines, or

prescription pain killers. So consult your doctor if you think your medication

might have this side effect, or if you suffer from frequent heartburn.

Baking soda, as with any over-the-counter antacid, is not a long term solution

for heartburn. Your first step should be to discover what causes your heartburn.

You may find that the causes of acid reflux are the opposite to what you might

expect. Your priority should be to find a cure for your heartburn. You may be

surprised by what you find. But you need to know what the solutions are for your

long term health.

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: " Caryn @ Gmail "

>

> Please clarify - as I use 1/4 tsp of baking soda when I take my vitamin

> c...is this not a good thing? It came from another list....but I'd prefer

> clarification from this group.

>

> From: candidiasis [mailto:candidiasis ] On

> Behalf Of Debby Padilla-Hudson

>

> Baking soda will neutralize stomach acid when swallowed, and people with

> candida already have low stomach

> acid levels! Your stomach needs this acid to digest food.. please don't take

> baking soda. The recommendations online for taking baking soda for

> cancer/fungus are not *swallowed* in the recommendation, they are used

> internally as a wash directly in

> the body cavity by a doctor who had to administer the treatment.

[Guest guest]

Hi all,

I am sharing a website clarifying use of ACV & baking soda.

http://www.earthclinic.com/Remedies/acv_baking_soda_cures_questions.html

Debby Padilla-Hudson wrote:

> If you are taking vitamin C in a form that needs buffering with baking soda

you should look for another form. The baking soda is supposed to protect your

teeth from the acid in the vitamin C if IIRC, but you could put it in a capsule

and skip the baking soda's issues. Swallowing baking soda is bad news for many

reasons.

>

> Please be very careful about the advice you get from Bee Wilder.. she has

mental problems and gives dangerous advice. Unfortunately she is effective at

being very confident and authoritative in her bad advice, which many people find

appealing (called the fallacy of authority). In fact I'd say be wary of anyone

who is so confident in themselves that they insist they have all the answers.

No one has all the answers, otherwise we would not have the health problems we

do.

>

> Some more info:

>

> http://www.healthyhomecookin.com/health_tips_pgs/tips_baking_powder.htm

>

>

>

>

> ----- Original Message ----

>

>> From: " Caryn @ Gmail "

>>

>> Please clarify - as I use 1/4 tsp of baking soda when I take my vitamin

>> c...is this not a good thing? It came from another list....but I'd prefer

>> clarification from this group.

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Debby Padilla-Hudson's well-resarched reply, don't use baking soda at all, is

the #1 answer. The carbon residues seriously acidify so must be expelled right

away in addition to your normal exhale, and the sodium is dangerously excessive.

Duncan

> > If you are taking vitamin C in a form that needs buffering with baking soda

you should look for another form. The baking soda is supposed to protect your

teeth from the acid in the vitamin C if IIRC, but you could put it in a capsule

and skip the baking soda's issues. Swallowing baking soda is bad news for many

reasons.

> >

> > Please be very careful about the advice you get from Bee Wilder.. she has

mental problems and gives dangerous advice. Unfortunately she is effective at

being very confident and authoritative in her bad advice, which many people find

appealing (called the fallacy of authority). In fact I'd say be wary of anyone

who is so confident in themselves that they insist they have all the answers.

No one has all the answers, otherwise we would not have the health problems we

do.

> >

> > Some more info:

> >

> > http://www.healthyhomecookin.com/health_tips_pgs/tips_baking_powder.htm

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > ----- Original Message ----

> >

> >> From: " Caryn @ Gmail "

> >>

> >> Please clarify - as I use 1/4 tsp of baking soda when I take my vitamin

> >> c...is this not a good thing? It came from another list....but I'd prefer

> >> clarification from this group.

> >>

> >

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Hi

I have been on amour since a week before Christmas and am now on 2 and half grains, due to raise to 3 this weekend.

All I can say is I havent yet reached my sweet spot and havent had any symptoms like you describe which does indicate you are taking too much. Have you tried lowering by half a grain for a while and then trying to raise again? I do feel that HC has helped me tollerate armour, do you take any adrenal support? Your adrenals could be the culprit here

Hi AllI have now been on Armour for six and a half weeks. When on T3 and T4 my dose was 30mcg and 100mcg.I have been on two grains now for 12 days. Today i have felt a little weird. I would welcome any advice.Thankyou love lizzie

[Guest guest]

Oh Lizzie - who on earth told you to go on 2 1/2 grains. This is

what is making you feel so bad. Don't take any Armour today and get that excess

T3 out of your system. You are running on far too high a dose and this is

giving you these weird feelings.

Anybody,

whatever dose of synthetic T4/T3 they were on before should play it very safe

and start taking natural thyroid extract (Armour) at half a grain and stay on

that for 7 days, then increase by another half grain and stay on that for

around 3 weeks - and then increase by another half grain and don't increase

that for another 3 weeks. This way your body gets used to the T4 and T3 in

Armour and don't forget the other hormones T2, T1 and calcitonin you have not

been taking before. If, during any of these increases, you start feeling weird,

then this is a sign you are taking too much and drop your dose back by half a

grain, but this should not happen in your case. I would go back to 1 grain and

see how you feel, and if OK, increase by a half grain after a couple of weeks,

but then stay on that for 3 weeks before you increase again.

You

will get there, just don't rush things. Didn't you look in our files section at

the document " How to Use Natural Thyroid extract)?

Luv

- Sheila

Hi All

I have now been on Armour for six and a half weeks. When on T3 and T4 my dose

was 30mcg and 100mcg.

I have been on two grains now for 12 days. Today i have felt a little weird. I

had an episode where I felt quite dizzy and off balance and this frightened me

and caused me to feel anxious for the rest of the day. My temperature has been

around 36.7 but for the last two days has been around 37.1 this is a daytime

temp not basal. My pulse is a little faster about 92 bpm. I am wondering if i

have reached me sweet spot but was expecting to need more than I am currently

on, going on what I needed before in synthetics and the average dose being 2

and a half to three grains. My syptoms have not disappeared yet either joint

pains are reducing but legs can stil ache.

[Guest guest]

Apologies Lizzie - I thought you had started on 2 grains and got

up to 2 1/2 grains after another week. Must read more carefully, smack hands!

See how you feel when you drop your dose. There could be an associated

condition going along with your hypothyroidism and you should check you are not

suffering from any of these because your thyroid hormone will not be getting

properly absorbed and you could be getting symptoms of toxicity.

luv - Sheila

I had been on one grain for 7 days, I then increased to one and a half grains

for 3 weeks, i then increased to 2 grains which i have been on for the last 12

days, I have been following the info in the files religiously.

I did not take the Armour last night and will drop back by half a grain to one

and a half.

I think you misunderstood my message Sheila, I have been very careful not to

rush things and thought that 2 grains would be ok after 3 weeks on 1 1/2.

perhaps i will not need as much as I expected.

[Guest guest]

I'm way behind on emails and this is very old. Hopefully my response is still

relevant. I think what you want to focus on is that the diet you are following

is working. Why would you want to cheat? Is <insert cheat food here> really

worth it?

The way you are eating is an evolution-correct diet, it's the way that humans

evolved to eat. You react more now when you " cheat " because your body is

sensitized to poisons. As opposed to when you ate bad foods all the time, and

the body was in constant inflammation mode.

I'd focus your energy not on trying to figure out how you can go back to eating

an unhealthy diet, but how you can make this lifestyle really stick. How can

you change your perspective to see this as a blessing? For me there is no food

that can equate to all the benefits that I get from eating a healthy diet.

Sure we are all human, and we will all have moments of weakness. I look at it

in terms of accepting the fact that my body likes when I feed it this way, and

finding strategies to handle those moments of weakness better. I have several

articles I've written about this topic:

Motivation, Strategies and Weight Loss

http://www.naturallythriving.com/articles/mot.php

Hope that helps...

Luv, Debby in San , CA

Student: Nutrition Certification and PhD in Psychology

Website: http://www.naturallythriving.com

----- Original Message ----

> From: adam_antics34

>

> I've been on a strict candida diet for AGES. Low carbohydrate, and plenty of

> protein in meat and eggs. Butter and other animal fats etc. This has worked

in

> the respect of keeping things " controlled " . However, since a course of

> antibiotics a couple of years back, I am finding now even one small cheat will

> cause me to relapse and take about 8 weeks to recover.

>

> This is no way to live. Yet this is how I've been living for the past 2

years.

> I am finding this diet works only when I've been on it long enough and I stay

on

> it. But where is the recovery? Why is my gut not recovering?

>

> Can anybody suggest what I can do? I take a multi vitamin and mineral

powdered

> supplement as a good foundation (which has a good high dose of vitamin C).

From

> there, I take extra in selenium, zinc, magnesium/calcium (equal ratios), a

fish

> oil supplement, extra iodine (our country is low in selenium and iodine, I

have

> suffered severe iodine deficiency and the supplementing has helped).

>

> What on earth do I do with a gut that has remained permanently (so far)

affected

> by only ONE WEEK of antibiotics 2 years ago? Is this possible for antibiotics

> to destroy so much good bacteria and why has it not replenished itself over

> time???? What is wrong with me? I tried eating ONE piece of fruit and I

> relapsed. I felt like all the yeast had fed and released their alcohols into

my

> system. I felt drugged. SO I go back to my rigid diet, wait it out for weeks

on

> end and sure finally I start feeling somewhat better. But where is the

> cure???? My gut is obviously not being fed the right stuff on this diet of

> protein and fats because if it was, one small natural cheat would not produce

> such a dramatic effect that takes weeks to recover from....something is

> missing. It's just a stop gap, but it's not reversing the problem.

>

> Any advice would be appreciated. Thank you.

[Guest guest]

Hi when I was 18 I was treated for systemic yeast.  My understanding is that the

diet doesn't really cure but manages the problem.  I also took nystatin powder

for a year and yeast allergy shots.  After that I had no significant problem

with yeast until recently after drinking a cup of Kombucha tea.  I thought it

gave me a severe yeast infection but was surprised to find that it actually was

a strep-A infection similar to scarlet fever.  It was horrible.  I also have

compromised immunity, but I now know that it is from a mitochondrial disorder

that I was recently diagnosed with.  I am working with a doctor who believes the

real problem is that my body has trouble in it's detox system so that it doesn't

detox anything properly, viral, bacterial infections, heavy metals or other

toxins or even medicines that I take.  Have you been checked for additional

metabolic or mitochondrial issues.  Also metallic tastes in the mouth can be

associated with

spinal fluid leaking something you wouldn't want to ignore.

From: adam_antics34 <adam_antics34@...>

Subject: Re: Advice please

candidiasis

Date: Wednesday, March 11, 2009, 7:10 AM

Hi Sol,

Thanks for your informative post and suggestions. I have to tell you that I

have an immune compromised situation from long standing viral infection that has

persisted ever since I first got it in 2003. This has made me suseptible ever

since and anything that happens to me, I don't tend to recover from properly or

it can takes many months. This condition has profoundly impacted my immunity.

As if it wasn't bad enough that I have also suffered severe mercury toxicity for

years.

I have been tested and thyroid did show up as a problem, which is why I got a

bit more iodine in my diet and needed magnesium too. I supplemented both and

noticed a very positive difference within a day or so. But this did not change

my gut condition at all. The gut condition, though already not good from the

virus, was affected dramatically by antibiotics. Yes only one week of them

changed alot of things! The symptoms I got from them continue to this day. I

did not have quite the same symptoms previous to them and a cheat would never

set me back weeks on end. It only used to set me back a day or so.

Since antibioitics, it takes me now 8 weeks to recover and this has persisted.

I have had blood tests and come up trumps in most of them (apart from the lack

of iodine). Iron and everything has been great. Probably attributed to my

healthy diet with plenty of meat and eggs etc.

Truly, though I had this viral problem and the many complications from it for

years and prior to antibiotics, my gut condition has become a severe problem

since antibioitics. I also started going into strange drug like sleeps after

them too and that is STILL with me. Nothing did this to me BUT the

antibioitics. I also had my gums recede after taking them. Many things have

worsened. One would think I'd have recovered yes, but I have not.

I also heard about another guy who took a course of antibiotics like me and I

think a year and a half later he mentioned he has never been the same since. It

appears that yes they can do this much damage to a person possibly already

vulnerable and may already be battling and underlying problem. I agree with you

though, there are other issues at work here. I do have residue mercury toxicity

from years of amalgams. I have had them out many years ago and did much

detoxing, but when I got the viral infection, everything changed. I did not

respond to detoxing properly. My immunity practically crashed. I still try on

occassion to chelate, but I find there is no real reaction to it or improvement

as there once was.

I do my best with my diet and I now try and exercise and force myself to do it

as I notice there is a strange reaction the day or so following. I taste and

feel metals - which is odd considering my lack of response to chelation. So

certainly there is something in there trying to come out. Perhaps alot of it is

in the gut and that maybe why I have persistant candida there. I'd say

antibiotics may have tipped the balance into a must worse situation, but perhaps

there are toxins that have migrated there and caused yeast to flourish?

I am not sure. Many reasons as you said. Brain mercury maybe one of them.

There are multiple problems at work with me for sure. one thing came after

another. But the antibiotics have truly been the worst possible thing for my

candida and that has certainly become FAR worse as a result.

>

>

[Guest guest]

Remember too, coconut oil is one of the few medium chain fats in our diet and

that if you can't metabolize medium chain fats you will have a problem with this

regardless of your gut condition.

From: adam_antics34 <adam_antics34@...>

Subject: Re: Advice please

candidiasis

Date: Thursday, March 12, 2009, 5:35 PM

Thanks Duncan. By low carb fruits, which fruits are those exactly?

The only " fruit " I consume is lemons and tomatoes. Can you give me an idea of

any others apart from coconut oil? I have relapsed on consuming fruit before,

so I'm somewhat apprehensive about it. I tend to feel sick on coconut oil, but

then I assume that maybe die off. I may get some and just use it for cooking,

rather than eating it. I figure I was probably consuming too much of it.

I am going to wait until I feel better. I have had a very bad cheating binge in

recent times, which has knocked me for a six. I dont' know why I did it, but I

ate something and it triggered things off, so I went hell for leather. I think

my mentality said that I relapse completely on a small cheat, so I just went for

it. Probably not wise ;-) I am paying for it big time. So I don't think it's

wise for me to introduce probiotics at this point because I've done it before

and released far too many toxins than my body could cope with (or process) and I

think it's because I wasn't on the diet for long enough before adding them in.

I feel that the yeast must be reduced first and those toxins cleared, before the

addition of probiotics, because I know how powerful they can be!

What is your take on non gluten grain? I used to consume it and was ok (to a

point). I had to be careful, but did manage to get away with it. After

antibiotics, I was unable to eat any grain at all, even non gluten.

I personally do not think I will be able to take even a little, unless/until the

gut flora is re-established and I don't think that will happen until I get over

this cheat stage and then add the products you have mentioned.

Is my consumption of acidophilus yoghurt (sugar free) and some raw nuts

(almonds/brazil) and seeds a bad thing? I enjoy them. I'm glad to hear that

such a diet is healthy enough to use life long. It's always good to get more

than one opinion on diets such as these. Certainly, when I'm on it for long

enough, I feel better and look better. It's just my problem with relapsing so

severely after a mild cheat that I need to address.

Thanks again for your advice.

>

>

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H - go to our FILES and check out the one entitled

" First Visit to Endocrinologist " and you will find all the

information you need there. You need to take with you a copy of the letter from

the MHRA that tells doctors they CASN prescribe Armour Thyroid for those

patients who don't do well on levothyroxine only. Also check out the response

from TPA-UK to the BTA on their misleading statement on Armour Thyroid to show

the references to show how wrong they are. I think these will be all that is

necessary, but because of the recent Royal College of Physician's new

guideline, the endocrinologists might be more concerned than ever about

prescribing Armour.

Luv - Sheila

I would like some advice. There is a lot of info in the files section, and I

want to read and/or take with me only what is relevant and helpful.

I also want to let him/her know that I am well aware of the debate about what

te NHS can or can't prescribe and the efficacy of levothyroxine on its own.

I am very worried that I am just going to come home on Friday having had a

completely wasted appointment.

How can I maximise the short time I am likely to have with this consultant and

get the best result I can?

[Guest guest]

Seems you are unable to absorb more Armour Thyroid because you

may well have an associated condition running alongside that needs to be

treated. You need this to help convert the mainly inactive T4 into the active

thyroid hormone T3. Your Free T4 is low, considering that you are taking

natural thyroid extract and your TSH is too high. It should be very suppressed

when taking Armour. Ferritin is fine.

When you are hypothyroid you need to take more vitamins/minerals

than the daily recommended dose so I would start with a new shopping list. You

need to take Selenium 200 mcgs daily with food to help convert the mainly

inactive T4 to the active hormone T3. You should take large doses of vitamin C

(2/3000-mgs daily). A good brand Vitamin B complex, Siberian Ginseng and

liquorice root (these to help boost your adrenals). Have a look at our web site

www.tpa-uk.org.uk under Hypothyroidism,

and in the drop down menu, under Nutrition and Supplements.

You may be suffering with low adrenal reserve or systemic

candidiasis - and you can get these tested privately through Genova Diagnostics

www.gdx.uk.net and this will test to see

where your cortisol and DHEA are at four specific times during the day. If you

have low adrenal reserve, you will need to start a course of adrenal

supplements before you can start to absorb the thyroid hormone replacement

again. Also if you have systemic candidiasis, you will also not be able to

absorb the thyroid hormone and these could be the reason you are unable to

increase your dose of Armour.

Never forget though that if you are feeling well and losing

weight, you just might have reached your sweet spot and this is the dose your

body needs.

Luv - Sheila

i take Magnesium OK and have done for a long time (years)produced by Wassen

Nutrition and each tablet contains

Vit D 2.5ug

Vit E 10mg

Vit C 30mg

Thiamin B1 5mg

Riboflavin B2 5mg

Vit B6 50mg

Folic acid 200ug

Vit B12 10ug

Magnesium 145 mg

Zinc 8mg

IOdine 100ug

Copper 1000ug

Potassium 8mg

Selenium 25ug

Chromium 50ug

This product certainly helped fix the pmt but is it any good as a supplement

for hypothroidism?

I am actually feeling well and loosing weight slowly, 7lbs in the first three

months, but something is not right and i would value some advice.

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Hi,

Have a look in the files at the symptoms list for adrenal issues as the

ofter accompanies thyroid disease and can make for intolerance to thyroid

meds. At the moment you are undermedicated the NHS seldom does T3 except

when the patient is already taking T3 or when hyper is suspected. Your

supplement looks good, but hypos tend to need more than RDA.

Subject: Advice please

I have been diagnosed with Hashimotos since sept 2002 and gone through the

usual struggle with thyroxine which has proved ineffective at any dose. I

have fortnately found a great GP. At the end of March i stopped taking

thyroxine and commenced the Armour thyroid protocol. Within 48 hours i felt

much better and many of the hypo symptoms resolved. he has tried to

negotiate with the local lab before but they have a restricted range!This is

what we got done

Free T4 11.4 (11.0-22.0)

TSH 3.30 (0.27-4.20)

Ferritin 97 (10-110)

Serum B12 576 (170-866)

Magnesium 0.89 (0.70-1.00)

Serum Folate 16.5 >3.8

Not a complete set but a start

i take Magnesium OK and have done for a long time (years)produced by Wassen

Nutrition and each tablet contains

Vit D 2.5ug

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TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical

practitioner before changing medication.

[Guest guest]

Hi Sue - you should not be taking natural thyroid extract

anywhere near food or drink. Hope you are not doing that. You could do with

splitting your cortef through the day as you are going a long time between

doses. 10mgs of Cortef is a very small dose and might be insufficient to help

you get the thyroid hormones into your system.

Luv - Sheila

hi everyone

can anyone offer any advice as to why i feel so tired when i take my

morning meds i take one and a half gr of westroid now plus 5mg of cotef

when i tried to take t3 only i felt very very tired so on dr p advice i

started armour old armour ok new armour rubbish

i also take 1gr at lunch time plus 2.5mg of cortef 2.5mg cortef at 7pm

i could do with some advice please

thanks sue

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Hi Sheila, thanks for your reply.

I took my time and slowly built up to 2 grains NT over about 3 months. I can't

help wondering if my raised pulse has nothing to do with this, as it went up as

soon as I started taking NT (half grain)! That's why I'm a bit mystified and

unsure what to do. I phoned my gp and asked for blood tests including t3 (and

will make sure it's done!), so won't take any today.

I'm already taking 500mg magnesium, with calcium and zinc, plus all the other

supplements recommended. I only take 100 of co-q10 though and will raise this. I

also take Viridian high 5, which has high doses of b vits, and TMG with yet more

b's. Will try more niacin though.

At last blood tests, ferritin, b12 etc were all within range, had to take

ferrous sulphate for a while to get my ferritin up, previous to that.

I'm going to see my gp, and I'm concerned he may attribute the tachycardia to

the NT (which it may or may not be) and warn me to stop it! I wonder if it

would be ok to take a beta blocker with the NT. This is the problem though isn't

it - who do we turn to for advice? Thank goodness for the group.

S, yes, ramipril - Nasty!

Thanks again,

A

>

> Hi A - how long has it take you to get up to 2 grains nature-throid. If

> this was me, I would be tempted to drop your dose by half a grain and see if

> that steadies your pulse.

[Guest guest]

Hi A, Beta blockers are best avoided as they inhibit T4 to T3 conversion- this function is useful in treating hyper. I had them for treating intractable migraines, but they did my thyroid no good at all!! I could sleep for england and had such painful achy feet. Migraines went as soon as I got Armour. > thyroid treatment > From: Egyptian.1@...> Date: Tue, 24 Nov 2009 18:13:47 +0000> Subject: Re: advice please> > Hi Sheila, thanks for your reply.> I took my time and slowly built up to 2 grains NT over about 3 months. I can't help wondering if my raised pulse has nothing to do with this, as it went up as soon as I started taking NT (half grain)! That's why I'm a bit mystified and unsure what to do. I phoned my gp and asked for blood tests including t3 (and will make sure it's done!), so won't take any today.> I'm already taking 500mg magnesium, with calcium and zinc, plus all the other supplements recommended. I only take 100 of co-q10 though and will raise this. I also take Viridian high 5, which has high doses of b vits, and TMG with yet more b's. Will try more niacin though.> At last blood tests, ferritin, b12 etc were all within range, had to take ferrous sulphate for a while to get my ferritin up, previous to that.> > I'm going to see my gp, and I'm concerned he may attribute the tachycardia to the NT (which it may or may not be) and warn me to stop it! I wonder if it would be ok to take a beta blocker with the NT. This is the problem though isn't it - who do we turn to for advice? Thank goodness for the group.> S, yes, ramipril - Nasty!> Thanks again,> A> > > >> > Hi A - how long has it take you to get up to 2 grains nature-throid. If> > this was me, I would be tempted to drop your dose by half a grain and see if> > that steadies your pulse. > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Hi Mike, My Experience was the reverse- as I increased my NDT my bloating decreased as my digestion improved and speeded up from the sluggish state it was in. As the bloating is not constant I''d be inclined to see if any particualr foodstuff is the culprit. Milk and gluten seem to be common culprits and very difficult to eliminate from our Western diet. I stopped dairy years ago- did you know that a large number of folk can't digest it after infancy? > thyroid treatment > From: hcsmgb@...> Date: Wed, 3 Mar 2010 11:05:14 +0000> Subject: Advice Please> > I re-started thyroid supplementation (Nutri thyroid) at the end of January, but this seems to have co-incided with a feeling of soreness/tenderness in my upper right abdomen - around the area where the liver and gallbladder are located. I also seem to be experiencing fairly regular bloating, and symptoms akin to indigestion.> > I am also supplementing with COQ10, but have stopped taking Vitamin C as this increases iron levels and my ferritin levels are already higher than normal.> > Has anyone else experienced these symptoms when on thyroid supplementation please?> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

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Oops, I forgot L-tyrosine and NACOn Thu, May 6, 2010 at 10:47 AM, Joline Sikora <jolinesikora@...> wrote:

I've been on 50mg of iodine for about a month now, and I feel really great, I haven't had any extreme detox issues except for mild acne when I don't stay on top of my vit C and sea salt.  But for the last week and a half, I seem to be bruising easily.  i have fairly large bruises that I don't even remember getting.  They're appearing one at a time, but I now have 5 bruises, and the first one I got isn't even gone yet, 1 1/2 weeks later.  Is this a sign that I may be a little low in iron, or could some of the supplements I'm taking be causing this?  I've also noticed a slight increase in muscle recovery time after workouts.

Here's what I'm taking daily:Iodoral 50mgMagnesium/Calcium at 150mg/300mgMagnesium 300mgSelenium 200mcgNiacin Vit B2 (riboflavin)

Vit B complex 150BoronCopper/ZincCoQ10Vit C 4-5000 mgsea salt 1/4-1/2 tspCarlson's Fish Oil Omega 3sVit A Carotenoid complexVit E

thanks,Joline

[Guest guest]

It is a known fact that synthetic thyroxine does cause weight

gain Margaret. Have you actually ASKED the endocrinologist if he will give you

a trial of t3 to see if that would help. You really need them to test your free

T4 and free T3 to see whether you are actually converting properly the mainly

inactive T4 to the active T3. However having said that, perhaps once you are

fully recovered so you are able to do even more exercise, the weight might

start to come off.

Oh dear! I don't even know why I said that - wishful thinking I

guess, because I do know that for some people, they cannot lose weight on

synthetic thyroxine however they titrate the dose.

Luv - Sheila

Trouble is, even though I feel good, the weight is not going. I was doing quite

well, losing 2lbs per week eliminating foods that I was told I was slightly

intolerant to - yeast, sugar, milk etc. I felt good that I was finally losing

weight but now I am back to putting it on which I believe is due to the

thyroxine. I feel that if I took T3 it would help with the weight issue but if

the endo refuses to prescribe it how much would I take. I do not want to upset

the balance especially as I feel almost normal whatever that maybe!

Margaret xx

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Hi Sheila,

No, I have not actually asked for T3 but he knows I have been researching my

problem and I have mentioned T3. I see him again in August when I shall ask...

Trouble is if my bloods look good and he is aiming for TSH of 2. I think '1'

would be better wouldn't it? All I can do is ask. In the meantime I shall go

for some looooong walks!

Bye for now

Margaret

>

> It is a known fact that synthetic thyroxine does cause weight gain Margaret.

> Have you actually ASKED the endocrinologist if he will give you a trial of

>

>

>

>

>

> Trouble is, even though I feel good, the weight is not going. I was doing

> quite well, losing 2lbs per week eliminating foods that I was told I was

> slightly intolerant to - yeast, sugar, milk etc. I felt good that I was

> finally losing weight but now I am back to putting it on which I believe is

> due to the thyroxine. I feel that if I took T3 it would help with the weight

> issue but if the endo refuses to prescribe it how much would I take. I do

> not want to upset the balance especially as I feel almost normal whatever

> that maybe!

>

> Margaret xx

>

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can't

understand why an endocrinologist would be aiming for a TSH of 2.0 when the facts

are there that people feel better with a TSH of 1 or less. Do I take it that

this endocrinologist's specialty is in diabetes, and NOT thyroid disease. Say's

it all, doesn't it?

Luv - Sheila

No, I have not actually asked for T3 but he knows I have been researching my

problem and I have mentioned T3. I see him again in August when I shall ask...

Trouble is if my bloods look good and he is aiming for TSH of 2. I think '1'

would be better wouldn't it? All I can do is ask. In the meantime I shall go

for some looooong walks!

Bye for now

Margaret

>

> It is a known fact that synthetic thyroxine does cause weight gain

Margaret.

> Have you actually ASKED the endocrinologist if he will give you a trial of

>

>

>

>

>

> Trouble is, even though I feel good, the weight is not going. I was doing

> quite well, losing 2lbs per week eliminating foods that I was told I was

> slightly intolerant to - yeast, sugar, milk etc. I felt good that I was

> finally losing weight but now I am back to putting it on which I believe

is

> due to the thyroxine. I feel that if I took T3 it would help with the

weight

> issue but if the endo refuses to prescribe it how much would I take. I do

> not want to upset the balance especially as I feel almost normal whatever

> that maybe!

>

> Margaret xx

>

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Hi Margaret

Show him the following list of references to show that his

aiming to get your TSH down to 2 is wrong. http://www.tpa-uk.org.uk/appendix70.pdf

Luv - Sheila

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Subject: Re: Advice please

Hi Sheila,

No, I have not actually asked for T3 but he knows I have been researching my

problem and I have mentioned T3. I see him again in August when I shall ask...

Trouble is if my bloods look good and he is aiming for TSH of 2. I think '1'

would be better wouldn't it? All I can do is ask. In the meantime I shall go

for some looooong walks!

Bye for now

Margaret

>

> It is a known fact that synthetic thyroxine does cause weight gain

Margaret.

> Have you actually ASKED the endocrinologist if he will give you a trial of

>

>

>

>

>

> Trouble is, even though I feel good, the weight is not going. I was doing

> quite well, losing 2lbs per week eliminating foods that I was told I was

> slightly intolerant to - yeast, sugar, milk etc. I felt good that I was

> finally losing weight but now I am back to putting it on which I believe

is

> due to the thyroxine. I feel that if I took T3 it would help with the

weight

> issue but if the endo refuses to prescribe it how much would I take. I do

> not want to upset the balance especially as I feel almost normal whatever

> that maybe!

>

> Margaret xx

>

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Hi Margaret, 50mcg is still a small dose- you may do even better with another increase, however T4 is notorious for weight gain, but still worth a try. > thyroid treatment > From: margaretp09@...> Date: Thu, 27 May 2010 18:48:22 +0000> Subject: Advice please> > Hi there,> > I am not sure what to do. I was on 25 mcg Levothyroxine until I visited the endocrinologist on April 21st when he doubled my medication. > > Trouble is, even though I feel good, the weight is not going. I was doing quite well, losing 2lbs per week eliminating foods that I was told I was slightly intolerant to - yeast, sugar, milk etc. I felt good that I was finally losing weight but now I am back to putting it on which I believe is due to the thyroxine. I feel that if I took T3 it would help with the weight issue but if the endo refuses to prescribe it how much would I take. I do not want to upset the balance especially as I feel almost normal whatever that maybe!> > Margaret xx> > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >