advice please

[Guest guest]

Levothyroxine is known to increase weight unfortunately.

However, if you are losing your symptoms on the 100mcgs levothyroxine, once you

start to get back more energy, the present increase might go, but it doesn't

for a lot of people. You may well need some form of T3 hormone, either

synthetic or natural. Will your hospital do the free T3 testing to see where

your T3 level lies? If not, you can get a T3 blood test done through Lab21- but

you will have to find somebody to draw your blood. Alternatively, you can do

the 24 hour urine test through Genova Diagnostics (see our 'Discount' FILE). If

it is found your T3 level is low, you may wish to consider asking your GO (or

endocrinologist) for a trial of Liothyronine (T3) added to your levothyroxine

(T4) to see if that helps Alla.

Luv - Sheila

What is the best solution for weight loss? Dr P suggested to increase the dose

from 100 to 125mg but I think its too high for me.

Should I switch to Armour? Would that help?

Alla

[Guest guest]

Hi Alla

The serum thyroid function test results show ONLY the level of

free T3 found in your blood. The 24 hour urine test shows the amount of T3 that

is being used in your tissues. They use different measurements but the Genova

test shows your free T3 is very low and you would benefit by taking some form

of T3 hormone replacement. T3 is the active hormone, the hormone that makes our

body and brain function.

Luv -Sheila

Hi Sheila,

Many thanks for a prompt response!

Free T4 is 16.8

My TSH is ZEORO - precisely 0.06!

My T3 is 3.5 and the range is 2.5 - 5.7

This is based on the blood test results through NHS in May

However my T3 was 769 (range 592 -1850) based on the Genova urine test

What does this mean?

Alla

[Guest guest]

Hi alla, Have you tried the increase to125mcg or are you just worried- you may be pleasantly surprised. As you know T4 only therapy is notorious for weight gain- so this may not be the optimum therapy for you- but easiest to see what you can get out of it first before going the NDT route. > thyroid treatment > From: allabida@...> Date: Sat, 29 May 2010 08:19:20 +0000> Subject: Re: Advice please> > Hi Margaret, ,> > I am on 125mg of Levotryroxine now and I started putting on weight recently even though I am on a sugar and dairy free diet. I was hoping to lose weight but its not happening.> > Also I am doing the second phase of the Dr Peatfield treatment program.> > What is the best solution for weight loss? Dr P suggested to increase the dose from 100 to 125mg but I think its too high for me. > > Should I switch to Armour? Would that help?> > Alla > > > > > Hi Margaret,> > 50mcg is still a small dose- you may do even better with another increase, however T4 is notorious for weight gain, but still worth a try.> > JennY> > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey,

This may not be your daughter's situation at all, as we can only ever get a

'snap shot' on the forum and none of us are health professionals, but thought

I'd mention the following in case it rang a bell. Someone I know quite well has

an extremely bright teenage son who is brilliant academically (he was getting

100% on biology and maths tests at a level 2 years above his grade level at high

school), however he is prone to fits of rage and doesn't quite fit in socially

(not sure if this is the case with your daughter or not). He has friends and he

is easy to talk to generally, but his rage is an issue. He has Asbergers

Syndrome.

I found this on an Oz website. Hopefully it is useful to you. It describes the

symptoms, etc. I know there are more treatment options than mentioned on this

website, however the info seems useful and it gives some general info about

Asbergers.

http://www.cyh.com/HealthTopics/HealthTopicDetails.aspx?p=114 & np=122 & id=1944

Have a look at the symptoms category in the 'adult' info about asbergers and see

if any of it matches your daughter's symptoms.

http://www.betterhealth.vic.gov.au/bhcv2/bhcarticles.nsf/pages/Asperger_syndrome\

_and_adults

This info may or may not resonate with you, but at least you can have a look and

work out whether it is relevant to your daughter's situation.

As far as the symptoms go re anti-depressants, I know of someone who suffered

from many of these symptoms when they tried to wean themselves off of an

antidepressant that is in the same 'class' as Prozac. I had a look at the

product info sheet for Prozac, and all of the things that you mentioned are

listed in the 'side effects' section of the document, so they are known side

effects. Have the docs tried using a different 'type' of antidepressant (eg one

of the 'older' classes of antidepressants, not the SSRI type that Prozac falls

into?). You mentioned that you have your doubts about the 'depression'

diagnosis. It is always worthwhile getting another opinion. If the Asbergers

stuff sounds relevant, it might be worthwhile having a chat to a reputable

organisation in your country I live in Oz, so unless you live here I can't

really suggest anyone, but I'm sure there would be an org in the UK if that is

where you live. It might even be worth talking to someone from that area to ask

if they have any suggestions about what else they might think it might be,

because they might have come across some of your daughter's symptoms before and

referred people elsewhere.

Also, this is not relevant to your daughter's situation, however someone I know

had a son who never stopped screaming as a baby. His parents were beside

themselves. Turns out that his collar bone was broken during child birth and

every time he moved, he was in pain. They had no idea for quite some time until

the poor little mite was xrayed. Poor parents too because they had hardly any

sleep for a LONG time.

Not sure if any of my message is relevant to your daughter's situation, but

thought I would post the info, just in case. I hope that some of this info is

useful.

P xo

>

> Hi all i wonder if anyone has any suggestions on my daughter's situation......

She was a very difficult baby she came into the world screaming and never

shopped. Her sleeping was beyond horrendous we were up at least thirty times a

night this went on until five and then she just entertained herself. Her overall

behaviour has always been so challenging and disruptive but for all that she is

a wonderful bright girl. She has always complained of feelings of rage within

herself and about a year ago she begged for help so we started therapy. They

decided she was depressed we were not convinced as she just hadn't changed from

day one......After 5 weeks she complained of pain in one arm by the morning she

couldn't walk or feed herself. Three weeks later we re-tried the Prozac and

within an hour the symptoms started to return. She has now had three

antidepressant all have caused similar reactions, acute joint and muscle pain,

acute fatigue slight loss of balance.

[Guest guest]

Hi Tracey, I know what it is like to bring up a 'difficult' baby/child. My daughter screamed solidly for the first 6 weeks, and wasn't much better for the next 3 years until a dear, dear friend gave me an article about Dr. Ben Feingold and hyperactivity. The diet worked to a great extent. This meant no food additives, especilaay colours, preservatives and antioxidants ( excepy vit C of course) also she had to reduce the fruit and some veg she was eating as she reacted to the high salyicilate content of some foods- she could have melons, pears and golden delicious apples, but all other fruit was banned. The first 3 days of the new diet was horrendous- it all got worse- but we were warned of this and then she spent a day y'normally', not the mad screaming she had done before, just exhausted by the 'cold turkey' that we had made her go through. She would eat more and rush about less and thanks to all that be, actually started sleeping through the night. Now at 28 she admits she is still hyperactive, but has learned to control herself, but I can see the difference is she has anything with caffeine in- then she turns into Tigger again! Educationally she has A levels and college qualifications and is now doing an open university degree and is in full time work. I have no idea if this approach will help your daughter, but as my GP said at the time- at least it will do no harm. She was also reccomended to supplement zinc and take evening primrose oil capsules- which she still does. > thyroid treatment > From: tomhorsfall@...> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:16:04 +0000> Subject: Advice please> > Hi all i wonder if anyone has any suggestions on my daughter's situation. My daughter was a much wanted ivf baby. She was a very difficult baby she came into the world screaming and never shopped. Her sleeping was beyond horrendous we were up at least thirty times a night this went on until five and then she just entertained herself. Her overall behaviour has always been so challenging and disruptive but for all that she is a wonderful bright girl. She has always complained of feelings of rage within herself and about a year ago she begged for help so we started therapy. They decided she was depressed we were not convinced as she just hadn't changed from day one. But she started on Prozac she was 15. After 5 weeks she complained of pain in one arm by the morning she couldn't walk or feed herself. Three weeks later we re-tried the Prozac and within an hour the symptoms started to return. She has now had three antidepressant all have caused similar reactions, acute joint and muscle pain, acute fatigue slight loss of balance. The GP and psychiatrist haven't a clue how to help her. I am going to take her to Dr P as he's treating me but i need direction on who to see really. I can see a lovely wonderful bright girl with a bleak future in front of her. Sorry to sound so negative, but if i had a clue what was wrong maybe we could help her. Just to add, all bloods have come back normal on two occasions. Any ideas anyone please. I must add i would never let her read this it is much to negative.Warm Regards > > > > ------------------------------------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Thank you so much for all your thoughts on my lovely daughter.She has been allergy tested and is very sensitive to lactose.She has also been assessed for autism.I'm not ruling out anything at this stage,I'm just so worried about her being just left to rot, because no one knows how to help her that includes myself.I need to physically get her better because she's so weak and mentally i need to find a drug that doesn't have these side affects.I know i could try St s wart, but I've read so many good and bad reviews on it.T x

From: jenny stenning <jennystenning@...>Subject: RE: Advice please"sheila turner" <thyroid treatment >Date: Sunday, 1 August, 2010, 14:56

Hi Tracey, I know what it is like to bring up a 'difficult' baby/child. My daughter screamed solidly for the first 6 weeks, and wasn't much better for the next 3 years until a dear, dear friend gave me an article about Dr. Ben Feingold and hyperactivity. The diet worked to a great extent. This meant no food additives, especilaay colours, preservatives and antioxidants ( excepy vit C of course) also she had to reduce the fruit and some veg she was eating as she reacted to the high salyicilate content of some foods- she could have melons, pears and golden delicious apples, but all other fruit was banned. The first 3 days of the new diet was horrendous- it all got worse- but we were warned of this and then she spent a day y'normally', not the mad screaming she had done before, just exhausted by the 'cold turkey' that we had made her go

through. She would eat more and rush about less and thanks to all that be, actually started sleeping through the night. Now at 28 she admits she is still hyperactive, but has learned to control herself, but I can see the difference is she has anything with caffeine in- then she turns into Tigger again! Educationally she has A levels and college qualifications and is now doing an open university degree and is in full time work. I have no idea if this approach will help your daughter, but as my GP said at the time- at least it will do no harm. She was also reccomended to supplement zinc and take evening primrose oil capsules- which she still does. > thyroidpatientadvoc acygroups (DOT) com> From: tomhorsfall@

btinternet. com> Date: Sat, 31 Jul 2010 18:16:04 +0000> Subject: [thyroidpatientadvo cacy] Advice please> > Hi all i wonder if anyone has any suggestions on my daughter's situation. My daughter was a much wanted ivf baby. She was a very difficult baby she came into the world screaming and never shopped. Her sleeping was beyond horrendous we were up at least thirty times a night this went on until five and then she just entertained herself. Her overall behaviour has always been so challenging and disruptive but for all that she is a wonderful bright girl. She has always complained of feelings of rage within herself and about a year ago she begged for help so we started therapy. They decided she was depressed we were not convinced as she just hadn't changed from day one. But she started on Prozac she was 15. After 5 weeks she complained of pain in one arm by the morning she couldn't walk or feed herself. Three weeks later we

re-tried the Prozac and within an hour the symptoms started to return. She has now had three antidepressant all have caused similar reactions, acute joint and muscle pain, acute fatigue slight loss of balance. The GP and psychiatrist haven't a clue how to help her. I am going to take her to Dr P as he's treating me but i need direction on who to see really. I can see a lovely wonderful bright girl with a bleak future in front of her. Sorry to sound so negative, but if i had a clue what was wrong maybe we could help her. Just to add, all bloods have come back normal on two occasions. Any ideas anyone please. I must add i would never let her read this it is much to negative.Warm Regards > > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Hi, Please do look into the Feingold diet as hyperactivity and autism are often connected. The brilliant thing is it will do no harm so could be use alongside medical help. Removing dairy from the diet isn't easy is it- there are fractions of milk in the most surprising prepared foods- for a long while I would not buy stuff but made everything from scratch and read every label to make sure there were no errors- as one bite can provoke a reaction. thyroid treatment From: tomhorsfall@...Date: Sun, 1 Aug 2010 14:28:17 +0000Subject: RE: Advice please

Thank you so much for all your thoughts on my lovely daughter.She has been allergy tested and is very sensitive to lactose.She has also been assessed for autism.I'm not ruling out anything at this stage,I'm just so worried about her being just left to rot, because no one knows how to help her that includes myself.> > > > ------------ --------- --------- ------> > TPA is not medically qualified. Consult with a qualified medical practitioner before changing medication.> >

[Guest guest]

Thanks , will keep on searching!

Han

>

>

> Hi Hannah,

> Pity the FT3 wasn't done! It seem not uncommon for conversion

of T4 to T3 to fail after a while on thyroxine- after all a healthy thyroid

produces some T3.

> vits and minerals can help, but the right replacment therapy is vital- ie

something contining the missing T3!

> zinc selenium iron vit D3 and B12 are all vital to healthy thyroid function-

do not take minerals close tothyroid meds as they can counteract each other.

[Ed]

[Guest guest]

Lynne,

I'm not vary familiar with RAD and how it manifests but I do know about AS. I

have seen my son hit and kick me and he did hit his dad one time when he

intervened in a rage episode. It's not a case of no respect in these

situations, it's more a lack of ability to control the actions, even knowing

they are wrong. With my son, though, it doesn't come out of the blue. By the

time he actually lashes out, we've already spent at least 20 to 30 minutes

attemptimg to calm him down while he rants and raves and yells.

As far as giving all kinds of reasons (except the right one, of course) for her

apology, we see that a lot here, too. It is as if our son doesn't remember

doing the things he's done. We've actually seen him deny even doing things that

he just did (and we watched!). They aren't lying, or trying to avoid

consequences, they genuinely seem to not realize or remember that they have done

these things.

While I don't generally agree with giving back to them what they dish out to us,

it may help in this case. Since this was a first-time occurrence, your

husband's reaction may shock her enough to realize that it won't be allowed.

You'll just have to wait and see on that.

Good luck. It's never easy when something like this happens, especially when

it's out of character for our kids. Just remember we're all here to help

however we can.

Angi

>

> First off we do work with a behaviorist, but she is not at my beck and

call,,LOL. Takes a few days to hear back from anyone and another week for an

appointment. She has us at a " as symptoms worsen or new one arise " type visits.

>

> Our dd has been diagnosed with AS and RAD (reactive attachment) and I am being

trained to tell one from the other and wowsa, this is not easy.

>

> Little bit of what has been going on as of the new school year.

> Our dd has done a 360 in 6th grade (middle school),,,,,,,she went from not

doing homework, participating, lieing about it all, etc. etc. etc...to doing all

her homework on her own, only missed a minute amount of turning in papers, given

consequence from the teacher, corrected herself and moved on. Her conferences

were glowing reports, she grinned from ear to ear. We are still picking

ourselves up off the floor and have no idea how, what, where and why it is so

diff from the last 6 yrs. Left us waiting for the other shoe to drop.

>

> Well maybe it has,,not sure,,this is where I need advice.

>

> The other evening, dh, dd and myself were coming home in truck, I heard dd

crinkling paper in back seat, asked her to stop, she said, not doing anything,

not making anything crinkle, started it up again, I reached for my dh and

squeezed his arm,,non verbal jester asking for help, he didn't respond other

then " why did you squeeze my arm " I thought,,,oh he is clueless right now, nice

help hubby,,,poor guy get the pressure from her and I both. We got home, as I

was walking to front door I hear hubby say teasingly to our dd " come here Annie,

I have a squeeze for you,, " she backed up and said NO,,he then proceeded to the

house (later told me, he didn't persue it because he thought his joke went over

her head and left it alone as we so often do),,when he was almost to the door

she came up behind him and kicked him really hard, him and I stood there in

shock. I read about AS children getting physical, and I know RAD kids do too,

but she has never exhibitted this kind of behavior before. My dh's reaction was

to turn around and kick her, and this is very shocking because this is not in

his makeup, he has never reacted like that. Luckily he had sense enough to back

off. All I could do was ask her to hang her coat up and then had her face her

dad and apologize,,which she did eventually after saying different reasons as to

why she was apologize.........therefore it was an empty apology. Here I sit two

days later wondering what comes next,,,,,,,,,,where did that come from,,,was it

AS or RAD or a little of both? And who kicks their dad?????????? She obviously

has no respect for him with an action like that.

>

> What should I be doing?

>

> Lynne Banks

> SD Rep. www.americanadoptioncongress.org

>

[Guest guest]

I'm not sure it matters whether it was RAD or AS but more important is "why?" I would ask her why she did that later when things have calmed down and see if she can explain it. Without understanding why she did that, it's hard to know what to do about it exactly. Probably like you, I would have her apologize and talk to her about not hitting or kicking other people. If you know why she did it, then you can address the problem as well.

Roxanna

"I

predict future happiness for Americans if they can prevent the government from wasting the labors of the people under the pretense of taking care of them." - Jefferson

( ) Advice please

First off we do work with a behaviorist, but she is not at my beck and call,,LOL. Takes a few days to hear back from anyone and another week for an appointment. She has us at a "as symptoms worsen or new one arise" type visits.

Our dd has been diagnosed with AS and RAD (reactive attachment) and I am being trained to tell one from the other and wowsa, this is not easy.

Little bit of what has been going on as of the new school year.

Our dd has done a 360 in 6th grade (middle school),,,,,,,she went from not doing homework, participating, lieing about it all, etc. etc. etc...to doing all her homework on her own, only missed a minute amount of turning in papers, given consequence from the teacher, corrected herself and moved on. Her conferences were glowing reports, she grinned from ear to ear. We are still picking ourselves up off the floor and have no idea how, what, where and why it is so diff from the last 6 yrs. Left us waiting for the other shoe to drop.

Well maybe it has,,not sure,,this is where I need advice.

The other evening, dh, dd and myself were coming home in truck, I heard dd crinkling paper in back seat, asked her to stop, she said, not doing anything, not making anything crinkle, started it up again, I reached for my dh and squeezed his arm,,non verbal jester asking for help, he didn't respond other then "why did you squeeze my arm" I thought,,,oh he is clueless right now, nice help hubby,,,poor guy get the pressure from her and I both. We got home, as I was walking to front door I hear hubby say teasingly to our dd "come here Annie, I have a squeeze for you,," she backed up and said NO,,he then proceeded to the house (later told me, he didn't persue it because he thought his joke went over her head and left it alone as we so often do),,when he was almost to the door she came up behind him and kicked him really hard, him and I stood there in shock. I read about AS children getting physical, and I know RAD kids do too, but she has never exhibitted this kind of behavior before. My dh's reaction was to turn around and kick her, and this is very shocking because this is not in his makeup, he has never reacted like that. Luckily he had sense enough to back off. All I could do was ask her to hang her coat up and then had her face her dad and apologize,,which she did eventually after saying different reasons as to why she was apologize.........therefore it was an empty apology. Here I sit two days later wondering what comes next,,,,,,,,,,where did that come from,,,was it AS or RAD or a little of both? And who kicks their dad?????????? She obviously has no respect for him with an action like that.

What should I be doing?

Lynne Banks

SD Rep. www.americanadoptioncongress.org

[Guest guest]

Hi thereokay so my friend has also taken mms for a week now. She finally got up to 1 dose of 15 drops in a glass of water. and drank this over 30-45 min. She can not get herself to drink it any faster. This dose was in the late morning on empty stomach. Around 9pm she experienced diarrea but not too intense.She was going to take a second dose this pm but decided against it.Do you think she should just stay with 15 drops once a day and see how that goes?She is over 200lbs and protocol calls for 15drops 3x a day. But she does not have any disease that she is fighting. Just wants to get all crap out of body and get healthy.Since she has diarrhea, does that mean she is at her limit for now?I know that if she vomits. thats it she will not take it again.Also, I am thinking that we should drink lots of water during

the day to helpeliminate right?Beth

[Guest guest]

Beth Confused is she doing the old protocol? If wanting to detox I would

recommend the protocol below, if sick implement the MMS2, or the 2000 protocol.

And yes lots of water is very important for the toxins to be flushed.

http://jimhumble.biz/site/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=34 & Itemid\

=61

>

> Hi there

> okay so my friend has also taken mms for a week now. She finally got up to 1

dose of 15 drops in a glass of water. and  drank this over 30-45 min. She can

not get herself to drink it any faster. This dose was in the late morning on

empty stomach.

> Around 9pm she experienced diarrea but not too intense.

> She was going to take a second dose this pm but decided against it.

>

> Do you think she should just stay with 15 drops once a day and see how that

goes?

> She is over 200lbs and protocol calls for 15drops 3x a day.

> But she does not have any disease that she is fighting. Just wants to get

> all crap out of body and get healthy.

> Since she has diarrhea, does that mean she is at her limit for now?

> I know that if she vomits. thats it she will not take it again.

>

> Also, I am thinking that we should drink lots of water during the day to help

> eliminate right?

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Yes old protocol. thanks for your reply.

Beth Confused is she doing the old protocol? If wanting to detox I would recommend the protocol below, if sick implement the MMS2, or the 2000 protocol. And yes lots of water is very important for the toxins to be flushed.

http://jimhumble.biz/site/index.php?option=com_content & view=article & id=34 & Itemid=61

>

> Hi there

> okay so my friend has also taken mms for a week now. She finally got up to 1 dose of 15 drops in a glass of water. and drank this over 30-45 min. She can not get herself to drink it any faster. This dose was in the late morning on empty stomach.

> Around 9pm she experienced diarrea but not too intense.

> She was going to take a second dose this pm but decided against it.

>

> Do you think she should just stay with 15 drops once a day and see how that goes?

> She is over 200lbs and protocol calls for 15drops 3x a day.

> But she does not have any disease that she is fighting. Just wants to get

> all crap out of body and get healthy.

> Since she has diarrhea, does that mean she is at her limit for now?

> I know that if she vomits. thats it she will not take it again.

>

> Also, I am thinking that we should drink lots of water during the day to help

> eliminate right?

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Yes we have been going through so much on the internet. Got the book andread part 1 will be getting part 2 except not sure if there was much more in the second part that we needed to know. Capsules are not an option and not interested in mms2. We have been researching silver, mms and zappers.As with most folks, we have health issues but not serious diseases.Just want to get to optimum health and stay that way.Want to know what to do if our families get ill and how to help them.That sorta thing. Some family members who are ill will not try anythinguntil we can prove it safe and effective. I think 15 drops 2 or 3x a day is too much for us however I can see how if someone has malaria, it would be required.Its hard for me to handle 15 drops also. We are very much alike in that way, I guess. Beth

Hey Beth, As I said before, it may be efficacious for your friend to take the capsules, 6 drops every hour or two, it's hard to drink it, and for me it got harder to smell it the longer I drank it.

The loose stools means your body is trying to get rid of toxins, or die off of pathogens, drink plenty of water. And maybe back off on the number of drops per day and work your way up more slowly.I would also reccommend you get the book and read it to get a better understanding of the product. There are instructional videos on YouTube as well, very informative. It doesn't have to be that difficult. Feel free to ring.

Patsy Cable 503-502-1060Yes! Joy Is A Choice!http://www.yesjoyisachoice.comToday I

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From: Beth <csilverlist@...>mms group < >Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 8:43:45 PMSubject: [ ] advice please

Hi thereokay so my friend has also taken mms for a week now. She finally got up to 1 dose of 15 drops in a glass of water. and drank this over 30-45 min. She can not get herself to drink it any faster. This dose was in the late morning on empty stomach. Around 9pm she experienced diarrea but not too intense.She was going to take a second dose this pm but decided against it.Do you think she should just stay with 15 drops once a day and see how that goes?She is over 200lbs and protocol calls for 15drops 3x a day. But she does not have any disease that she is fighting. Just wants to get all crap out of body and get healthy.Since she has diarrhea, does that mean she is at her limit for now?I know that if she vomits. thats it she will not take it again.Also, I am thinking that we should drink lots of water during the day to helpeliminate

right?Beth

[Guest guest]

Beth.I have been through the same when I started with the old protocol. I have managed to go up to 15 drops x 3 a day. I had significant diarrea but not painful. It took me 2 months to go up and I kept it for 2 weeks. I used water to take MMS1 but it was hard for me because of the smell and the taste. I have learned to not to breath when I drank the mix. It was better that way. 

Later I switch to maintenance mode and took 6 drops a day x 1. Few weeks later I have learned about the new protocol with MMS1.  Take the drops 8 hours a day, each hour 3 drops, or less. I use the 50% citric acid solution, which requires only 15-20 seconds of mixing before consumption. It makes it easier for me to maintain the frequent drinking. I set my watch for one hour countdown, so I do not miss any. I always eat before I start the protocol and I use organic carrot juice, which has no vitamin C added in it. Drinking the MMS1 with carrot juice is very convenient because I do not smell or taste the MMS1, at all. 

I'd recommend to go for the 50%/15 second/8x/carrots juice method for MMS1. It makes it really easier to take for longer period of time.It certainly cleaned me out.Recently, I have purchased MMS2 pills. I started it few days ago and I am up to 3 pills a day. ( max is 4 pills a day ). I will do this for 3 weeks as it is recommended, along with the 8x MMS1. So far, I had mild diarrea and a little dizziness. No other symptoms.

I do not have any serious disease I know about, but I want to test the recommended protocols, just in case.I hope this helps.LaszloOn Sun, Nov 28, 2010 at 8:49 AM, Beth <csilverlist@...> wrote:

 

Yes we have been going through so much on the internet. Got the book andread part 1 will be getting part 2 except not sure if there was much more in the

second part that we needed to know. Capsules are not an option and not interested in mms2. We have been researching silver, mms and zappers.As with most folks, we have health issues but not serious diseases.Just want to get to optimum health and stay that way.

Want to know what to do if our families get ill and how to help them.That sorta thing. Some family members who are ill will not try anythinguntil we can prove it safe and effective. I think 15 drops 2 or 3x a day is too much for us however I can see how if someone has malaria, it would be required.

Its hard for me to handle 15 drops also. We are very much alike in that way, I guess. Beth

Hey Beth, As I said before, it may be efficacious for your friend to take the capsules, 6 drops every hour or two, it's hard to drink it, and for me it got harder to smell it the longer I drank it.

The loose stools means your body is trying to get rid of toxins, or die off of pathogens, drink plenty of water. And maybe back off on the number of drops per day and work your way up more slowly.I would also reccommend you get the book and read it to get a better understanding of the product. There are instructional videos on YouTube as well, very informative. It doesn't have to be that difficult. Feel free to ring.

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From: Beth <csilverlist@...>mms group < >

Sent: Sat, November 27, 2010 8:43:45 PMSubject: [ ] advice please 

Hi thereokay so my friend has also taken mms for a week now. She finally got up to 1 dose of 15 drops in a glass of water. and  drank this over 30-45 min. She can not get herself to drink it any faster. This dose was in the late morning on empty stomach.

Around 9pm she experienced diarrea but not too intense.She was going to take a second dose this pm but decided against it.Do you think she should just stay with 15 drops once a day and see how that goes?She is over 200lbs and protocol calls for 15drops 3x a day.

But she does not have any disease that she is fighting. Just wants to get all crap out of body and get healthy.Since she has diarrhea, does that mean she is at her limit for now?I know that if she vomits. thats it she will not take it again.

Also, I am thinking that we should drink lots of water during the day to helpeliminate

right?Beth

[Guest guest]

Hello Beth,

While you are doing your research, be sure to look up the various protocols

involving " stabilized oxygen. "

Jim Humble actually started out with " stabilized oxygen " products, but he claims

that he only had a 70% cure rate with malaria using them. Not understanding

the chemistry of sodium chlorite, he decided that a stronger concentration was

needed and he mixed up the concentration used in MMS. He claims this higher

concentration and activating it prior to ingestion increased his success with

malaria from 70% to 95%.

" Stabilized oxygen " is sodium chlorite in the 2.5 - 5% concentration. It has

been used by people for general health since the 1950's, or perhaps earlier than

that.

Tom

>

> Yes we have been going through so much on the internet. Got the book and

> read part 1 will be getting part 2 except not sure if there was much more in

the

> second part that we needed to know. Capsules are not an option and not

> interested in mms2. We have been researching silver, mms and zappers.

> As with most folks, we have health issues but not serious diseases.

> Just want to get to optimum health and stay that way.

> Want to know what to do if our families get ill and how to help them.

> That sorta thing. Some family members who are ill will not try anything

> until we can prove it safe and effective.

> I think 15 drops 2 or 3x a day is too much for us however I can see how if

someone has malaria, it would be required.

> Its hard for me to handle 15 drops also. We are very much alike in that way, I

guess.

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

That was so strange to me when I first read about mms because I have been using stabilized oxygen for about 5 years now but it is made up of sodium chloride.I know that some people say that it is just salt but it is caustic if you put it on your skin. You add 8 drops in a glass of water and it reacts in your body.It tastes alot like mms too. But you do not activate it. I will be reading the second part of the book soon.When I think Ive read it all, I find more. I have been reading and reading week after week after week. Its crazy because there is some conflicting posts that make me think Im doing it right and then it changes again.For example I was able to take 6 + 6 over 2 hours no problem but to take 12 drops over an hour is hard to swallow. Im not sure if it makes a difference when in my body.I

also noticed today that it was after I had juice with vitC in it, I get rumbling in my gutsshortly after. Even though its been hours since I had the mms.I am still waiting for info on how to use it just to purify water. Im not sure if it has to be activated or just add sodium chlorite to water.BethHello Beth,

While you are doing your research, be sure to look up the various protocols involving "stabilized oxygen."

Jim Humble actually started out with "stabilized oxygen" products, but he claims that he only had a 70% cure rate with malaria using them. Not understanding the chemistry of sodium chlorite, he decided that a stronger concentration was needed and he mixed up the concentration used in MMS. He claims this higher concentration and activating it prior to ingestion increased his success with malaria from 70% to 95%.

"Stabilized oxygen" is sodium chlorite in the 2.5 - 5% concentration. It has been used by people for general health since the 1950's, or perhaps earlier than that.

Tom

>

> Yes we have been going through so much on the internet. Got the book and

> read part 1 will be getting part 2 except not sure if there was much more in the

> second part that we needed to know. Capsules are not an option and not

> interested in mms2. We have been researching silver, mms and zappers.

> As with most folks, we have health issues but not serious diseases.

> Just want to get to optimum health and stay that way.

> Want to know what to do if our families get ill and how to help them.

> That sorta thing. Some family members who are ill will not try anything

> until we can prove it safe and effective.

> I think 15 drops 2 or 3x a day is too much for us however I can see how if someone has malaria, it would be required.

> Its hard for me to handle 15 drops also. We are very much alike in that way, I guess.

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Beth,

Over the many years the marketing hype has been all over " stabilized oxygen "

products. It is caustic because it is sodium chlorite. Some brands advertise

sodium chloride, but I think they just add a little salt to the sodium chlorite

solution and don't want anyone to know what actually is in their product.

Water purification is done using chlorine dioxide. MMS makes chlorous acid.

You can purify water using MMS, but you end up with excess disinfection by

products and contaminates. You generally use a concentration of 4 PPM free

chlorine dioxide to purify water, and want to end up with a residual of about 1

PPM free chlorine dioxide.

In an emergency you can put 1 ml of MMS activated with 1 ml of 10% citric acid

into 1 gallon of water and purify it.

If you store purified water for emergency situations, you can keep it from going

bad by adding 1 ml of MMS (unactivated) to 25 gallons of water. With proper

storage conditions, water treated this way will keep for 5 - 10 years.

Tom

>

> That was so strange to me when I first read about mms because I have been

using

> stabilized oxygen for about 5 years now but it is made up of sodium chloride.

> I know that some people say that it is just salt but it is caustic if you put

it on

> your skin. You add 8 drops in a glass of water and it reacts in your body.

> It tastes alot like mms too. But you do not activate it.

>

> I will be reading the second part of the book soon.

> When I think Ive read it all, I find more. I have been reading and reading

week

> after week after week.  Its crazy because there is some conflicting posts

that

> make me think Im doing it right and then it changes again.

>

> For example I was able to take 6 + 6 over 2 hours no problem but to take

> 12 drops over an hour is hard to swallow. Im not sure if it makes a difference

> when in my body.

> I also noticed today that it was after I had juice with vitC in it, I get

rumbling in my guts

> shortly after. Even though its been hours since I had the mms.

> I am still waiting for info on how to use it just to purify water. Im not sure

if it has to be

> activated or just add sodium chlorite to water.

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

Hi TomWhat do you mean by "You can purify water using MMS, but you end up with excess disinfection by products and contaminates. "Like what ?Beth

Hello Beth,

Over the many years the marketing hype has been all over "stabilized oxygen" products. It is caustic because it is sodium chlorite. Some brands advertise sodium chloride, but I think they just add a little salt to the sodium chlorite solution and don't want anyone to know what actually is in their product.

Water purification is done using chlorine dioxide. MMS makes chlorous acid. You can purify water using MMS, but you end up with excess disinfection by products and contaminates. You generally use a concentration of 4 PPM free chlorine dioxide to purify water, and want to end up with a residual of about 1 PPM free chlorine dioxide.

In an emergency you can put 1 ml of MMS activated with 1 ml of 10% citric acid into 1 gallon of water and purify it.

If you store purified water for emergency situations, you can keep it from going bad by adding 1 ml of MMS (unactivated) to 25 gallons of water. With proper storage conditions, water treated this way will keep for 5 - 10 years.

Tom

[Guest guest]

SILVERFOX OR ANYONE. MMS DOES'NT CAUSE DAMAGE? IS THIS TRUE?

IF IT DOES, EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE?

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Sun, November 28, 2010 11:38:28 AMSubject: [ ] Re: advice please

Hello Beth,While you are doing your research, be sure to look up the various protocols involving "stabilized oxygen."Jim Humble actually started out with "stabilized oxygen" products, but he claims that he only had a 70% cure rate with malaria using them. Not understanding the chemistry of sodium chlorite, he decided that a stronger concentration was needed and he mixed up the concentration used in MMS. He claims this higher concentration and activating it prior to ingestion increased his success with malaria from 70% to 95%."Stabilized oxygen" is sodium chlorite in the 2.5 - 5% concentration. It has been used by people for general health since the 1950's, or perhaps earlier than that. Tom>> Yes we have been going through so much on the internet. Got the book and> read part 1 will be getting part 2 except not sure if there was much more in the > second part that we needed to know. Capsules are not an option and not > interested in mms2. We have been researching silver, mms and zappers.> As with most folks, we have health issues but not serious diseases.> Just want to get to optimum health and stay that way.> Want to know what to do if our families get ill and how to help them.> That sorta thing. Some family members who are ill will not try anything> until we can prove it safe and effective. > I think 15 drops 2 or 3x a day is too much for us however I can see how if someone has malaria, it would be required.> Its hard for me to handle 15 drops also. We are very much alike in that way, I guess. > > Beth>

[Guest guest]

Hello ,

Chlorous acid and chlorine dioxide are oxidizers. While a little oxidation is

needed, too much causes adverse reaction, such as nausea, vomiting, and

diarrhea. Too much oxidation results in elevated methemoglobin, elevated urea,

and/or elevated creatinine and can subject the body to a wide variety of

oxidative stress.

Elevated methemoglobin indicates damage to the blood, and elevated urea and

creatinine indicate damage to the kidneys.

To answer your question, YES, MMS can cause damage. To monitor for damage, have

tests done. The Lubbers paper listed a series of tests that were done to

monitor for signs of oxidative damage. While that paper looked at chlorine

dioxide in water, those tests should also apply to the chlorous acid that is

produced when you mix up a dose of MMS.

Tom

>

> SILVERFOX OR ANYONE. MMS DOES'NT CAUSE DAMAGE?  IS THIS TRUE?

>

> IF IT DOES, EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE?

>

[Guest guest]

Hello Beth,

Chlorite is the disinfection by product of sodium chlorite, chlorous acid, and

chlorine dioxide.

Do a search on chlorite and you should run across the toxicology report on

chlorite.

In drinking water the maximum allowable amount of chlorite is 1 PPM. About 70%

of the chlorine dioxide in water turns into chlorite so this limits the amount

of chlorine dioxide used in water purification to around 1.4 PPM unless extra

measures are used to remove the chlorite.

The Lubbers study showed that 5 PPM chlorine dioxide in water over a period of

12 weeks had no adverse effects, so the 4 PPM that is used for wilderness water

purification is within that range.

Tom

>

> Hi Tom

> What do you mean by

> " You can purify water using MMS, but you end up with excess disinfection by

products and contaminates. "

> Like what ?

>

> Beth

>

[Guest guest]

The receptionist who told you that your thyroid function tests

were " normal " with a TSH of 4.8 is absolutely wrong, wrong, wrong and

she has no right to tell you this. A TSH of 4.8 is ABNORMAL and shows that your

thyroid gland is not secreting sufficient levels of the prohormone thyroxine

(T4) or the active hormone T3. Never, never allow a nurse, receptionist or

doctor to tell you that any tests you have had done are " normal "

because the results appear anywhere within the reference range. You must always

get the numbers for the tests that should include the reference range for each

of the tests done yourself, and post them here so we can tell you whether they

are " normal " or not.

Thyroid Stimulating Hormone (TSH) should, in somebody without a

thyroid problem be in the region of 1.0. TSH is not a thyroid hormone, it is secreted

by the pituitary gland when the pituitary recognises there is insufficient

thyroid hormone being secreted into the blood by the thyroid gland. The

pituitary therefore has to secrete more TSH to tell the thyroid gland to

secrete more thyroid hormone, so the level of TSH starts to rise - hence your

TSH level of 4.8. Obviously, this receptionist has no idea what a high level of

TSH means.

What you need to do is to write a letter to your GP.

First, list all of your symptoms and signs (check these against

those in our web site www.tpa-uk.org.uk

under 'Hypothyroidism'). Next list any members of y our family who have a

thyroid or autoimmune disease. Next, take your basal temperature for 4 or 5

mornings before you get out of bed in a morning and list these. If your

temperature is less than 97.8, this is an indication your metabolism is not

functioning as it should.

Next, ask for a full thyroid function test to include TSH, free

T4, free T3 and tests to see whether you have thyroid antibodies. Ask also for

the following blood tests to be done: ferritin, vitamin B12, vitamin D3, magnesium,

folate, copper and zinc. Do tell your GP that you are specifically asking for

these because you have learned that should any of these be low in the reference

range, your thyroid hormone is unable to be properly utilised in the cells

until whatever you are found to be low in is supplemented.

Next, ask for a referral to an endocrinologist (preferably of

your choice) as most endocrinologists have a specialty in diabetes and know

little about thyroid disease. You are allowed to go out of your area to see

such a specialist if there is not one in your area.

Last, ask for all your blood test results to be sent to you and

enclose a stamped addressed envelope for this purpose. You also need the

reference range for each test done. Finally, ask for your letter of requests to

be placed into your medical notes and send a copy to the Head of Practice - and

don't forget to keep a copy yourself in case the doctor fails to take action.

You will find however, that most doctors DO take action because they know she

they choose to ignore your requests and it is later found you do have a thyroid

problem, or related conditions and they have done nothing about it, they could

be in serious trouble.

Good luck and let us know how you get on.

Luv - Sheila

I had this done last week and phoned for the results today because the doctor's

hadn't phoned me. The receptionist told me they came back as normal and my TSH

is 4.8

I'm still constantly exhausted and have various other symptoms which I've found

out are common with an underactive thyroid.

I can't understand if my TSH is rising why is it now normal. Is this the only

thing that relates to the thyroid? I've been reading up on it and keep coming

across T3 & T4 levels but finding it quite hard to understand.

Can anyone explain it in a straight forward way???

[Guest guest]

so use when needed only then stop? because everyone seems to indicate a daily dosage. hmm not sure now. what do you say?

From: silverfox_science <poast@...> Sent: Mon, November 29, 2010 7:22:22 AMSubject: [ ] Re: advice please

Hello ,Chlorous acid and chlorine dioxide are oxidizers. While a little oxidation is needed, too much causes adverse reaction, such as nausea, vomiting, and diarrhea. Too much oxidation results in elevated methemoglobin, elevated urea, and/or elevated creatinine and can subject the body to a wide variety of oxidative stress. Elevated methemoglobin indicates damage to the blood, and elevated urea and creatinine indicate damage to the kidneys.To answer your question, YES, MMS can cause damage. To monitor for damage, have tests done. The Lubbers paper listed a series of tests that were done to monitor for signs of oxidative damage. While that paper looked at chlorine dioxide in water, those tests should also apply to the chlorous acid that is produced when you mix up a dose of MMS.Tom>> SILVERFOX OR ANYONE. MMS DOES'NT CAUSE DAMAGE? IS THIS TRUE? > > IF IT DOES, EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE?>

[Guest guest]

i wrote before: need to use minerals.best collodial from utah $29 from GNC

now the best hourly 1-1 drops in capsula ,here the max is 4-4 drops /that i will

take 1.5 2 hours intervalls.

hogy long?we even do not know what need to correct on you how we know how much

need then?one my friend said 3 weeks for cancer

after weekly 2 time 1-1 drops /i do not do that./

my doughter used 3 weeks and she very alkali ph 8 ,but OK nowShe set up for

healing

http://www.biomedx.com and by flow mashine,4 genius knowlege on that mashine

dr emanuel ravinsky dr c reams/both consulted by eistein. dr washington who

cures all mental patiens by food and minerals./says:mental patiens all have

differents metabolic and certain minerals need very large amounts./ gyb

> >

> > SILVERFOX OR ANYONE. MMS DOES'NT CAUSE DAMAGE?  IS THIS TRUE?

> >

> > IF IT DOES, EXACTLY WHAT KIND OF DAMAGE?

> >

>