Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Try using raw vinegar such as braggs, or lemon juice, lime juice. This will require 5 drops to each drop of MMS1. Also are you mixing with distilled water, and how are you administrating? I use 4cc of distilled water in syringe without the needle, 1 drop MMS for each 25lb weight, then work up to 1 drop for each 8 lb weight. --- In , " GREENAMYER " <greenamyer@...> wrote: > > I have started using MMS on a couple of dogs that have tumors of some type. I have a problem with one dog. She seems to barf up the mix about 1-2 minutes after I give it to her. Must be the acid to activate the MMS. Is there a safe way to deliver a long lasting treatment of MMS without the activation acid? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Bentonite clay mixed in a blender add somthing without ascorbic acid that the dog likes, like ice cream, then stir in your activated MMS in itBentonite clay neutralizes the stomach acid which reacts with the MMS. Works for people too. From: mfrreman@...Date: Thu, 24 Mar 2011 13:50:39 +0000Subject: [ ] Re: MMS for pets Try using raw vinegar such as braggs, or lemon juice, lime juice. This will require 5 drops to each drop of MMS1. Also are you mixing with distilled water, and how are you administrating? I use 4cc of distilled water in syringe without the needle, 1 drop MMS for each 25lb weight, then work up to 1 drop for each 8 lb weight. > > I have started using MMS on a couple of dogs that have tumors of some type. I have a problem with one dog. She seems to barf up the mix about 1-2 minutes after I give it to her. Must be the acid to activate the MMS. Is there a safe way to deliver a long lasting treatment of MMS without the activation acid? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Hello , Many people simply add a small amount of sodium chlorite to the pets drinking water. 5 - 10 PPM is a good concentration to use. That is 3 - 4 drops of MMS per gallon of water. Tom --- In , " GREENAMYER " <greenamyer@...> wrote: > > I have started using MMS on a couple of dogs that have tumors of some type. I have a problem with one dog. She seems to barf up the mix about 1-2 minutes after I give it to her. Must be the acid to activate the MMS. Is there a safe way to deliver a long lasting treatment of MMS without the activation acid? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 Hello Silverfox,If one already filter s the public water, how would the Sodium Chlorite become Chlorine Dioxide without the acid to activate it? Thank you.Benita BoleyFrom: silverfox_science <poast@...>Subject: [ ] Re: MMS for pets Date: Thursday, March 24, 2011, 12:00 PM Hello , Many people simply add a small amount of sodium chlorite to the pets drinking water. 5 - 10 PPM is a good concentration to use. That is 3 - 4 drops of MMS per gallon of water. Tom > > I have started using MMS on a couple of dogs that have tumors of some type. I have a problem with one dog. She seems to barf up the mix about 1-2 minutes after I give it to her. Must be the acid to activate the MMS. Is there a safe way to deliver a long lasting treatment of MMS without the activation acid? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 24, 2011 Report Share Posted March 24, 2011 I have had experiences with too much citric acid. Getting the mixture right can be tricky. With too much citric acid I have burnt my throat. It feels like I am getting a cold and getting sick when that happens. I have also burnt my insides from too much citric acid in a douche. At least I am assuming this. I am a novice so you don't have to listen to me. I am still experimenting with this and hopefully if I can't get the equal amount of drops.....MMS1 will still be activated? Too much citric acid has been problematic for me. What about using the lemon juice for the dog? Just a suggestion.From: GREENAMYER <greenamyer@...> Sent: Thu, March 24, 2011 2:09:53 AMSubject: [ ] MMS for pets I have started using MMS on a couple of dogs that have tumors of some type. I have a problem with one dog. She seems to barf up the mix about 1-2 minutes after I give it to her. Must be the acid to activate the MMS. Is there a safe way to deliver a long lasting treatment of MMS without the activation acid? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Hello Benita, Sodium chlorite is activated by lowering its PH. Adding sodium chlorite to water actually begins the activation process and trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are released. When you use an acid, you simply speed up the process. The sodium chlorite starts out at a PH of around 12 and adding a few drops to water lowers that PH to around 7. Sodium chlorite is called stabilized chlorine dioxide, but if the PH is dropped below 8, it becomes unstable and begins to release chlorine dioxide. If the PH of the ending solution is below 7, chlorous acid is formed. When you mix up a dose of MMS you end up with chlorous acid with a PH of around 3. Animals tend to have a good supply of acid in their stomachs and that adds to the activation process. Tom > > Hello Silverfox, > If one already filter s the public water, how would the Sodium Chlorite become Chlorine Dioxide without the acid to activate it? > Thank you. > Benita Boley > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 • Some have stated that dogs have more acidic stomachs and retain food in their stomachs longer than people, making a meat based diet more suitable for dogs since protein is initially digested in the stomach. The pH of the dog's stomach ranges from 1.08 to 5.5 (Ouyang et al., 2006, , 1965, Buddington et al., 2003, Sagawa 2009). For people, the pH ranges from 1-4 (Krause's Food and Nutrition Therapy). This makes the acidity equivalent between the species, with the dog ranging slightly more alkaline in certain settings. It is true that like humans, dogs cannot digest cellulose, a single structural carbohydrate used by plants to form stalks, seed coats, vegetable structure etc. Only herbivores like cows can digest cellulose, turning it into some other vital nutrient, but it doesn't seem reasonable to compare the GI tracts of dogs and people to cows. Canine digestive physiology resembles human digestive physiology much more closely, so grains and veggies should be cooked or ground as finely as possible (either before or during the act of chewing) to derive the benefits contained in them. http://vetnutrition.blogspot.com/2009/05/are-grains-all-bad.html > > > > Hello Silverfox, > > If one already filter s the public water, how would the Sodium Chlorite become Chlorine Dioxide without the acid to activate it? > > Thank you. > > Benita Boley > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Dispelling the MythsThe morphologic and pathophysiologic characteristics of the gastrointestinal systems of dogs, cats, and humans are remarkably similar. Many who advocate feeding raw diets contend that dogs and cats have a , more acid stomach and shorter gastrointestinal tracts than do humans, protecting them frompathogenic bacteria. However, there is no difference among these species in regard to gastric pH and no evidence to suggest the difference in length of the gastrointestinal tract is protective to dogs and cats. All three species manifest similar clinical signs after ingesting food contaminated with pathogens. The severity of these signs is related to the dose of microbes or toxin ingested as well as the condition of the host.http://www.hilltopanimalhospital.com/raw%20meat%20diets.htm--- In , "silverfox_science" <poast@...> wrote:>> > Hello Benita,> > Sodium chlorite is activated by lowering its PH. Adding sodium chlorite to water actually begins the activation process and trace amounts of chlorine dioxide are released. When you use an acid, you simply speed up the process. The sodium chlorite starts out at a PH of around 12 and adding a few drops to water lowers that PH to around 7. Sodium chlorite is called stabilized chlorine dioxide, but if the PH is dropped below 8, it becomes unstable and begins to release chlorine dioxide. If the PH of the ending solution is below 7, chlorous acid is formed. When you mix up a dose of MMS you end up with chlorous acid with a PH of around 3.> > Animals tend to have a good supply of acid in their stomachs and that adds to the activation process.> > Tom> > > > >> > Hello Silverfox,> > If one already filter s the public water, how would the Sodium Chlorite become Chlorine Dioxide without the acid to activate it? > > Thank you.> > Benita Boley> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 I presently put 2 drops of MMS in Braggs. Add distilled water to make a little over 4cc mix and split it between 4 dogs. Only one dog spits it up in 1-2 minutes. --- In , " healinghope " <mfrreman@...> wrote: > > Try using raw vinegar such as braggs, or lemon juice, lime juice. This will require 5 drops to each drop of MMS1. Also are you mixing with distilled water, and how are you administrating? I use 4cc of distilled water in syringe without the needle, 1 drop MMS for each 25lb weight, then work up to 1 drop for each 8 lb weight. > --- In , " GREENAMYER " <greenamyer@> wrote: snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Is the dog truly swallowing? Perhaps capsule the solution and put in pill popper, or place in very back of throat. > snip > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Perhaps IV if you can find a vet to help. Is the dog keeping food down or water? > > snip > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 If I understand you right, I just put the Sodium Chlorite in some water and give it to the dogs. This will cause a slow activation which might be increased by the stomach acid. I don't think it is the MMS that is causing the problem but the vinegar so this would be something I will try. In giving it to the dog in this manner, will the affect be slower but longer lasting because of the slower conversion? > > > > Hello Silverfox, > > If one already filter s the public water, how would the Sodium Chlorite become Chlorine Dioxide without the acid to activate it? > > Thank you. > > Benita Boley > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Actually, it is my understanding that dogs have more acid (maybe better said as amount available and not stronger) for the purpose of digesting bone as well as killing many of the bacteria strains that they get in food that has been left on the ground or rotted (like a carcass). To further aid a dog in ridding itself of bacteria and viruses, their intestines replace the lining about every 4 days (for adults) to 14 days (for puppies). This is one of the reasons puppies get Parvo and adult dogs basically don't get Parvo. Thanks for the inputs on how to give MMS to pets that don't like an activator. > > > > > > Hello Benita, snip Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Immune system is the reason puppies get parvo more than adult dogs, I always thought. > > > > > > > > > Hello Benita, > snip > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Symptoms of Canine Parvovirus http://www.vetinfo.com/understanding-parvovirus-dogs.html The canine parvovirus is very frequent in dogs under the age of 2. After this age, the virus is not likely to affect dogs, as they develop a stronger immunity. Common symptoms of the canine parvovirus included diarrhea, blood in the stool, vomiting, abdominal pain, fever, lack of appetite and weight loss. The symptoms are not present in the first two weeks after the infestation. The virus attacks the intestinal tract and the immune system, so other secondary diseases may occur. These secondary diseases may be severe and fatal to a puppy with a weak immune system. Read more: Understanding Parvovirus in Dogs > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Benita, > > snip > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Another alternative with your dog would be giving a enema. http://www.doghealthproblems.org/doghealthproblems26.php http://www.askdrdog.com/DOG-CARE/dogs-diseases/how-to-give-your-dog-home-made-en\ ema > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Benita, > > snip > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 25, 2011 Report Share Posted March 25, 2011 Hello , While this hasn't been formally studied, that seems to be the way it works. People have been using sodium chlorite in water for years and have reported good results both in themselves and in their animals. Jim Humble started out with this and reported a 70% success rate with malaria. He went to activating with an acid rather than water in an effort to improve his success rate. Tom --- In , " GREENAMYER " <greenamyer@...> wrote: > > If I understand you right, I just put the Sodium Chlorite in some water and give it to the dogs. This will cause a slow activation which might be increased by the stomach acid. I don't think it is the MMS that is causing the problem but the vinegar so this would be something I will try. In giving it to the dog in this manner, will the affect be slower but longer lasting because of the slower conversion? > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 On the topic of Parvo and enema's... I have personally cured two dogs with Parvo with mms... My grandmother brought home a puppy last spring, and a few days later we found out the rest of the littler was put down due to parvo... this puppy threw up a few times and was showing slight signs... so we gave her 1 drop of mms per hour for a day or so... she never got sick... however, our other little dog, a Boston Terrier, we didn't think about the fact that she was also at risk, and one evening she seemed a little down, by morning she was so sick... throwing up, nasty smelly diarrhea... I started her on one drop of mms per hour all day, and when she could no longer keep it down we started with enemas to keep her hydrated and to get the mms into her... 24 hours later, she was still very sick, so we took her to the vet... he said she had all the symptoms of Parvo, but he ran the parvo test 3 times and it was negative every time... he was astounded... he didn't understand how she could have Parvo, but not have parvo... I asked him if he was looking for a live virus or a dead one, and he said a live one, I said "so if we killed the virus before she came in then?" he said "the test would be negative, but that's not possible, there is no cure for parvo" The fact is, we killed the parvo, but she was so sick before we got the mms into her that it had already pulverized her intestines, and she was still very sick from that... with an IV for a bit, she was fine, but I'm sure she would have died without the mms. To get it into a dog that throws it up right away, yes I would try enema... it worked for her to keep it in... or try smaller doses for a bit and work up... like a quarter drop more often, with a little more water. Good luck. Another alternative with you dog would be giving a enema. http://www.doghealthproblems.org/doghealthproblems26.php http://www.askdrdog.com/DOG-CARE/dogs-diseases/how-to-give-your-dog-home-made-enema > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Benita, > > snip > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 26, 2011 Report Share Posted March 26, 2011 I was surprised myself when I learned about how the dog intestines shed their linings and how dogs get parvo. My information came from a vet pathologist who works at one of the local universities. He is in the vet medicine department at the university. He is nick named the RAT MAN. I also picked this information up from some holistic healers who treat parvo dogs. Another note. The dog that was having the problem keeping the activated MMS down is doing fine at taking the vinegar free dose. Thanks > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Benita, > > snip > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 27, 2011 Report Share Posted March 27, 2011 A note about parvo since many of us have pets. There are many bacterias that test positive for parvo but are bacterial. Lost 4 dogs last year diagnosed with parvo. Vet treated 1 and it was the first to die. Treated the other 5. Lost 4. Then I found out about show dog crud. There are several other bacterial infections that test positive and if the treatment is for parvo, the dog dies usually because the treatment is antibiotics given orally, not by IV. I was giving a parvo treatment. The 3 dogs I treated lived a couple days longer than the one the vet was treating. I almost saved two of them by accident but didn't keep up the antibiotics long enough. Was to tired to link the affects to the treatment 8 hours earlier having been up 52 hours straight. Whenever a dog is tested for parvo, make sure the vet checks for bacteria. The bacteria will kill faster than the parvo depending on which bacteria it is. With MMS, it gives all of us a new weapon against either. Hard lesson but all of my protocols start with 8 hours of antibiotics or MMS. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hello Benita, > > > > snip > > > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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