west nile virus

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are they still spraying all you new yorkers with pesticide like it or

not? was it the city, or 'burbs or where this year? have

the " officials " sai if they are planning on spraying every year

forever until they can VACCINATE?

i must tell you it was another reason for me to be glad i moved away

from nyc! just when you thought it couldn't get more polluted....!

*smile*

chris

> West Nile Virus

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dani, thanks so much for the info!!!

chris,

oh yes, they are certainly still spraying us and it isn't

working--funny?!!!!! they will probably continue to spray until they come

out with the vax--which they probably already have, but they're waiting until

we're good and scared and desperate before they finally arrive with this

" life saving measure " --this way we're all sure to run out and get our jabs

worth and finally get saved from another killer virus!!! they already have

vaxes that are available to horses for other similar viruses (my SIL down on

the island keeps horses and she regularly doses up her horses to " protect "

them, don't you know), so it won't be long now before we hear about how hard

they've been working ot finish this new vax to save the lives of so many form

this terrible epidemic yada-yada-yada, ohhh, i'm sounding so cynical this

morning...

brigit

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So far this year only one human has " got " the west nile virus. And he is an

old man and they say on the news he is at home recovering.

The percentages of serious reactions are supposed to be very small. (I

can't give you the exact percentage, but it was on that pervious link)

Kim

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>Subject: RE: Re: west Nile virus

>Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:41:20 -0400

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>Why then have quite a few people dies from this virus if you just get a

>headache? Why are animals dying left and right?

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Why then have quite a few people dies from this virus if you just get a headache? Why are animals dying left and right?

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Well, they spray us here in the small town of ville, NC (well, not SMALL town, but barely a city) because of Eastern Equine Encephalitis which they mistakenly reported to have killed a woman two weeks ago in a town thirty miles north of here, endangering all of us, but especially our chickens and insectivorous lizards... And ya know what my neighbour says? "They're spraying up there on Gum Branch this year [a main road about five blocks from us], but what they need to do is come back down in here." She tells me we need to move. :-> She's right! :-> But it's funny, because her concern is EEE which the news tells us is very rarely transmitted to humans (the correction about the aforementioned story was made quietly and passed over as non-news when she was discovered to've died of meningitis, which is not mosquito-borne) and has actually only Been found this year in some 'test chickens' in one town two counties up. My concern is the toxic mix of chemicals Being sprayed upon all of us and everything we grow for the sake of saving someone, somewhere from a virus that they're highly unlikely to get anyway, and the way people slather more chemicals all over their Selfs and their clothing (which they then wear all day and soak up yet another toxin) and their little tiny children... even though the risk from the chemicals is far greater than that of actually contracting the disease, which in turn isn't even necessarily going to Be anything more than a fever and headache... ??? Where's the sense in that?

Be...

Peace............................ :->

PS By the way, this isn't to cast a bad light on my neighbour. She's a lovely woman and at least she doesn't care that I choose to live the way I do. I can't stress how wonderful it is that those who're not necessarily supportive of one's lifestyle at least Be allowing. We're very fortunate to've found this neighbourhood here. :->

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are they still spraying all you new yorkers with pesticide like it or not? was it the city, or 'burbs or where this year? have the "officials" sai if they are planning on spraying every year forever until they can VACCINATE?i must tell you it was another reason for me to be glad i moved away from nyc! just when you thought it couldn't get more polluted....!*smile*chris> West Nile Virus

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I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I wasn't saying that people DON'T die from these things. Just that the chances are slim in the first place of getting it (sure, epidemics or mini-epidemics will break out, but it's trying to prevent that that made the vaccine industry rich in the first place, and it's just nature taking it's {sometimes tragic} course), and that not in everybody who DOES get it will it have major or lasting or fatal effects, and yet it's another excuse to subject the entire population or large portions thereof to chemicals which pose a much greater risk. Does that make sense?

Be...

Peace......................... :->

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Why then have quite a few people dies from this virus if you just get a headache? Why are animals dying left and right?

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I just saw that you were rom ville...I lived there for 3 years!!

What part do you live? Military?

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In a message dated 8/6/00 5:32:35 PM Pacific Daylight Time,

katrinaj@... writes:

<< effective and the

many reports that I have read over time that show that for many of the

people who did contract an illness during one of these " epidemics " , of those

who WERE imminuzed, many were sicker, took longer to recover >>

Once the WNV is out I am sure they will recommend people get it in the early

spring,so ones *immunity* can have time to build up.Kind of like how they

recommend you get the flu shot in the fall.

Well I don't know how I feel about this WN disease,and am not sure how I will

react if it hits our area(sure it will eventually). I guess this is our

version of the polio epidemic.So how does everyone feel about it,especially

those in the *hot zone* right now? Get the vax when it comes out if many are

dying,or hope your body can handle the disease? Do most develop serious

complications from the virus?

sara

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kim,

actually, only 1 person has had serious enough reactions to the virus to be

hospitalized, thus we are all aware of it. there are probably lots of people

who were infected last year, but only 62 of them needed treatment and only 7

of those died--either by misdiagnosing their condition or because they

weren't able to beat it. as with all reactions, there are varying degrees,

you could get bitten by a mosquito carrying the virus, but your body may be

strong enough so that you just get what feels like a flu, or if your body is

run down or you have other complications it can be worse--especially in

infants and the elderly. also, who knows how many times you get bitten by a

mosquito that is infected before your symptoms appear, does it take 1 bite, 3

bites ??? and they really have no way of judging with any accuracy the

percentages of serious reactions, because in most of the rest of the world,

it is not diagnosed correctly. JMO

brigit

[Guest guest]

I was not refereeing to the pesticides they are spraying for, I think we all know those are bad news. All I am saying is in my opinion vaccines are nice to have in case I change my mind or an epidemic comes my way and the fear of the unknown takes over. Options are a luxury.

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Last year I believe over a hundred were very sick and 7 died. Do not quote

me on those numbers.

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Can anyone enlighten me on the benefits of NOT vaccinating for tetanus? My

little cousin almost died of tetanus, and it was a horrific disease to watch.

The State of Oklahoma tried to take him and his siblings away from my Uncle

because he did not vaccinate them. Any information you can direct me to?

Karla in Indiana

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rachel,

for me vaccines are not an option, as i do not believe that they actually

work. the theory of vaccination is a plausible one (theoretically), but,

after all this time using vaxes, there is no " proof " that ANYONE can show you

that does in fact prove vaccines work, so for that reason, i will not ever

get a vax--regardless of the disease or outcome. JMO

brigit

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A concern of mine is that IF there were to be an outbreak of some disease, I

would want myself and my family to be in prime health (diet good, strong

immune system, etc..). If we were to get the immunization for that illness,

would it not weaken our immune system, making us even more vulnerable? If we

were to get our shots at the same time as the illness was " coming through " ,

would that give us enough time for our bodies to build up the antibodies

that the shots are supposed to encourage before being hit with this illness?

Would getting the immunization through our bloodstream make us readily

resistant to an illness that is transmitted through our respiratory system?

This along with the fact that immunizations are ONLY X% effective and the

many reports that I have read over time that show that for many of the

people who did contract an illness during one of these " epidemics " , of those

who WERE imminuzed, many were sicker, took longer to recover and had more

lasting effects after they did recover. It is a scary thing to have to

consider but I feel confident that if I keep my family healthy (and they are

VERY healthy) most of these dreaded illnesses will be very mild IF they

catch them at all.

Katrina - CO

>From: " Tom and Muckerheide " <tomnrachel@...>

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>Subject: RE: Re: west Nile virus

>Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:40:13 -0400

>

>I was not refereeing to the pesticides they are spraying for, I think we

>all

>know those are bad news. All I am saying is in my opinion vaccines are nice

>to have in case I change my mind or an epidemic comes my way and the fear

>of

>the unknown takes over. Options are a luxury.

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--- beebemcel@... wrote:

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> chris,

> oh yes, they are certainly still spraying us and it

> isn't

> working--funny?!!!!!

Someone sent a link on this list last week to a story

about a study showing that spraying to try to kill the

mosquitos only makes the problem worse - it

temporarily knocks down the population, but the ones

that are left are resistant to the poisons, and then

quickly reproduce a new generation of resistant

mosquitos, upon which the spraying is almost totally

ineffective, so you end up with even more than before.

Also, I think it said that the ones left after the

spraying then have weakened immunity from being

poisoned, so they're more susceptible to the disease,

and even if the mosquito population is temporarily

smaller you could end up with more actual numbers of

" infected " mosquitos than before (if you buy the virus

theory, that is).

Aubin

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That about sums up how I feel. Thank you Katrina. :->

Be...

Peace.................... :->

RE: Re: west Nile virus

A concern of mine is that IF there were to be an outbreak of some disease, I would want myself and my family to be in prime health (diet good, strong immune system, etc..). If we were to get the immunization for that illness, would it not weaken our immune system, making us even more vulnerable? If we were to get our shots at the same time as the illness was "coming through", would that give us enough time for our bodies to build up the antibodies that the shots are supposed to encourage before being hit with this illness? Would getting the immunization through our bloodstream make us readily resistant to an illness that is transmitted through our respiratory system? This along with the fact that immunizations are ONLY X% effective and the many reports that I have read over time that show that for many of the people who did contract an illness during one of these "epidemics", of those who WERE imminuzed, many were sicker, took longer to recover and had more lasting effects after they did recover. It is a scary thing to have to consider but I feel confident that if I keep my family healthy (and they are VERY healthy) most of these dreaded illnesses will be very mild IF they catch them at all.Katrina - CO

[Guest guest]

And here's another interesting part of the mosquito thing... Once or twice a week they tell us all the things to do to control the mosquito population in YOUR yard (thus doing your part for all of humanity), and all the recommendations for cutting down on the mosquito habitats are also eliminating all the wildlife that would play a big part in controlling all the "many more varieties of mosquitoes than have ever Been seen before" (a quote from the news earlier this summer), much of which is not able to adapt to the removal of their habitats, while mosquitoes, opportunists that they are, are pretty much capable of finding a place to breed no matter how many preventive measures you take. Hmm...

Be...

Peace.......................... :->

ville, NC

Re: Re: west nile virus

--- beebemcel@... wrote:>> chris,> oh yes, they are certainly still spraying us and it> isn't > working--funny?!!!!! Someone sent a link on this list last week to a storyabout a study showing that spraying to try to kill themosquitos only makes the problem worse - ittemporarily knocks down the population, but the onesthat are left are resistant to the poisons, and thenquickly reproduce a new generation of resistantmosquitos, upon which the spraying is almost totallyineffective, so you end up with even more than before.Also, I think it said that the ones left after thespraying then have weakened immunity from beingpoisoned, so they're more susceptible to the disease,and even if the mosquito population is temporarilysmaller you could end up with more actual numbers of"infected" mosquitos than before (if you buy the virustheory, that is).Aubin

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We're in northern ville, just outside the city limits. My husband was a Marine until he was medically separated last year. Ironically, he got a respiratory infection in boot camp that wasn't treated and he took it into the gas chamber and out into the cold wet field with him, finally ending up with asthma that made it impossible to stay in. He's working at National Dodge/Subaru now and I'm a SAHW. How d'ya like New York?

Be...Peace........................ :->

ville, NC

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Hey Everyone!

I just got an email from my mother, totally unrelated, of a list of

odd/useful things to do with BOUNCE (the fabric softener). One of the things

on the list was to loop a sheet of it through your belt buckle when you go

out and it repels mosquitoes! Probably repels a lot of other things too, I

can't stand the strong smell, but an easy and pretty safe way to keep those

little suckers away.

Katrina

>From: beebemcel@...

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>Subject: Re: Re: west Nile virus

>Date: Sun, 6 Aug 2000 22:49:14 EDT

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>rachel,

>for me vaccines are not an option, as i do not believe that they actually

>work. the theory of vaccination is a plausible one (theoretically), but,

>after all this time using vaxes, there is no " proof " that ANYONE can show

>you

>that does in fact prove vaccines work, so for that reason, i will not ever

>get a vax--regardless of the disease or outcome. JMO

>brigit

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We also have to remember that one of the reasons some of us are here is that,

rather that vaccinations being an option, they have become, in many instances,

the only option. What I mean is, having something like medical treatments

available in case we decide we want them is one thing, but imposing something,

especially something that has been proven time and again to be ineffective at

best and fatal at worst, is an entirely different matter. Vaccinations are not

just something, like tynenol, that we can decide we want and go get one. They

are being forced on us and our children, and, while I haven't heard of anyone in

my community being threatened by the authorities, parents have lost their

children to the authorities around the world for not vaccinating. It's only by

questioning mainstream thought on vaccination and disease prevention, and

working

to prove that vaccinations sometimes (often? always?) do more harm than good,

that we will ever be free to make that choice, ie, whether or not to vaccinate.

Right now it's not a true choice (here we go again - LOL!) because for some of

us

who choose not to vaccinate, there are consequences, ranging from friends and

family thinking we're weird, to having our children taken away from us. Maybe

I'm missing the point and going off on something that's irrrelevant to to the

thread (to be honest I lost track of what the conversation was, I just wanted to

reposnd to the last posts from and Brigit). That's my rant for the day.

beebemcel@... wrote:

> rachel,

> for me vaccines are not an option, as i do not believe that they actually

> work. the theory of vaccination is a plausible one (theoretically), but,

> after all this time using vaxes, there is no " proof " that ANYONE can show you

> that does in fact prove vaccines work, so for that reason, i will not ever

> get a vax--regardless of the disease or outcome. JMO

> brigit

>

>

[Guest guest]

I agree with the fact of it not being forced upon us. The crack addicts can

have there kids back but a good parent trying to keep their child as healthy

as possible has to fight, seems a bit backwards.

[Guest guest]

Re: Re: west Nile virus

> Hey Everyone!

> I just got an email from my mother, totally unrelated, of a list of

> odd/useful things to do with BOUNCE (the fabric softener). One of the

things

> on the list was to loop a sheet of it through your belt buckle when you go

> out and it repels mosquitoes! Probably repels a lot of other things too, I

> can't stand the strong smell, but an easy and pretty safe way to keep

those

> little suckers away.

> Katrina

I can believe that. It is either a detergent or softner but I can't wear

clothes washed in that due to the ghastly smell

[Guest guest]

A miniscule fraction of people are experiencing common reactions to

foreign protein injected into their blood. It is also not uncommon for

these reactions to occur following insect bites and stings. The numbers

today are no different than the past background cases that have occured

in NYC. Even the mortalities haven't risen from encephalitis. Altho it

would go down if patients were put on fasts, and not given anti piretics

and antibiotics.

gary

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 14:33:28 -0400 " Peace HomoFreakian "

<peace_b_untiu@...> writes:

> I'm sorry I wasn't clear. I wasn't saying that people DON'T die

> from these things. Just that the chances are slim in the first place

> of getting it (sure, epidemics or mini-epidemics will break out, but

> it's trying to prevent that that made the vaccine industry rich in

> the first place, and it's just nature taking it's {sometimes tragic}

> course), and that not in everybody who DOES get it will it have

> major or lasting or fatal effects, and yet it's another excuse to

> subject the entire population or large portions thereof to chemicals

> which pose a much greater risk. Does that make sense?

>

> Be...

> Peace......................... :->

>

> RE: Re: west Nile virus

>

>

> Why then have quite a few people dies from this virus if you just

> get a headache? Why are animals dying left and right?

>

>

>

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Only birds are dying.

Do you think birds are immortal?! Like people, some have to die

eventually.

Also, birds die from many reasons. Recently, many birds in France and

elsewhere had been reported to have died from pesticide contaminated

feed. Do you really think that the virus hunters are checking for every

possible toxological agent? Do you think they're testing for malathion

poisoning? Don't be naive.

Most dead birds come up negative for the virus. That means the virus is

unproven as a pathogen.

gary

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 12:41:20 -0400 " Tom and Muckerheide "

<tomnrachel@...> writes:

> Why then have quite a few people dies from this virus if you just get

> a

> headache? Why are animals dying left and right?

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Increased survailence. If they were not so aggressively looking at every

headache and dizzyness as carefully as they had, they would have been

recorded as ice cream headaches, and allergic reactions to insect bites.

The 7 that died had done so from " treated " encephalopathy; the

application of enervating drugs during a catahral illness (brain

inflamation).

gary

On Sun, 6 Aug 2000 18:42:26 -0400 " Tom and Muckerheide "

<tomnrachel@...> writes:

> Last year I believe over a hundred were very sick and 7 died. Do not

> quote

> me on those numbers.

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