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All I can say is “yeah, I hear you.” That’s

why I can’t work it alone. Too many phone calls and other

stuff. And I actually had a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want

to close my panel and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too

much work already? Does that make sense?

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of drsof99

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

To:

Subject: tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I

are both on the phone or

with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we

are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse

is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

stuff.

I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying

to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement " attitude

of

some of the pts is driving me crazy!

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some thoughts that may or may not apply have you closed your practices? If your supply of visits and work time is too great for the number of patietns you serve, then the work will never be do able If you see only HIV patietns you may need to have a smaller panel than if you see only well children....

what are all these calls about? Learning the nature shold allow you to forestall these-- refills? well then it is visit time Lab results?patietns should be educated what/how to expect results and docs should have a system to get them to patietns Email is a gift from the gods SOO much better than snail mail

appointmetns- do it online I do not, but I hear this goes over very wellprior auths?I gotta tell you I do not have insurances that make me do many of these I will do some Some are known to be needed- do it at the visit Sometimes if it is a med i tell the patietn the name of every say PI and say call up and find out which are OK and then i will do it. I say call up the number on the back of your card ,tell then to fax me a form. if i can do it ,i will .if it asks me al ot of question you may have to come in. Involving patietns never seems to go badly

sepcialist appointments?have the patietn call test s cheduling? fax the order and have the patietn set it up I will not use specialists if they do not let the patietn scheule I educate patietns " tell them to check theri fax machine tell them they have the paperwork "

CAn any of that help?Supporting 2-3 employees means there is very l ittel peanut butter left over for YOU.

All I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's

why I can't work it alone. Too many phone calls and other

stuff. And I actually had a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want

to close my panel and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too

much work already? Does that make sense?

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of drsof99

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

To:

Subject: tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I

are both on the phone or

with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we

are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse

is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

stuff.

I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying

to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement " attitude

of

some of the pts is driving me crazy!

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You are right, there is little peanut butter left.  And I don’t

know what the calls are but there are lots, and then they call again, and

again, and again because they just checked with the pharmacy and it wasn’t

done yet even thought they are told it won’t be done yet.  Or they forgot

they need something else.  Or they need this referral or please get a preauth

on that med you ordered or levsin isn’t available can we give hycocyamine

or I don’t like the new med I want to go back or I got my CT last week

what do you mean you don’t have results.

I would love to see less patients but then there would be no

peanut butter.  You can’t reduce your size d/t complexity as you don’t

get paid any better for complex vs. simple.  Making appts is the least of the

phone calls.  I would love to take insurances that don’t require this

stuff but the worse insurance covers ½ the stat and can’t do without. 

Just a bad day, covering another doctor who, apparently each and every one of

her patients is running out of meds today or in some kind of crisis.  Paraplegic

with fevers, SOIB and congestion who just doesn’t feel like coming in so

will “ride it out.” Etc.  That was 5 phone calls.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jean

Antonucci

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 3:34 PM

To:

Subject: Re: tightening up the front and back end

some thoughts that may or may

not apply

have you closed your practices?

If your supply of visits and work time is too great for the

number of patietns you serve, then the work will never

be do able If you see only HIV patietns you may need to have a smaller

panel than if you see only well children....

what are all these calls about?

Learning the nature shold allow you to forestall these

-- refills? well then it is visit time

Lab results?

patietns should be educated what/how to expect results and

docs should have a system to get them to patietns Email is a gift from

the gods SOO much better than snail mail

appointmetns- do it online I do not, but I hear this goes

over very well

prior auths?

I gotta tell you I do not have insurances that make me do many of

these I will do some Some are known to be needed- do it at the visit

Sometimes if it is a med i tell the patietn the name of every say

PI and say call up and find out which are OK and then i will do it. I say

call up the number on the back of your card ,tell then to fax me a form. if i

can do it ,i will .if it asks me al ot of question you may have to come

in. Involving patietns never seems to go badly

sepcialist appointments?

have the patietn call

test s cheduling? fax the order and have the patietn

set it up I will not use specialists if they do not let the

patietn scheule I educate patietns " tell them to check theri

fax machine tell them they have the paperwork "

CAn any of that help?

Supporting 2-3 employees means there is very l ittel peanut butter left

over for YOU.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Kathy Saradarian

wrote:

All I

can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it

alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had a

Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel and stop

accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work already? Does

that make sense?

Kathy

Saradarian, MD

Branchville,

NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo

4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice

Partner 5/03

Low

staffing

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of drsof99

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

To:

Subject: tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are

both on the phone or

with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we

are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse

is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

stuff.

I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying

to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement " attitude

of

some of the pts is driving me crazy!

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please note the new email address.

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I'm reminded of what they do with computer suppprt.

You pay for 4 hour response times, 1 hour telephne response, or next

business day email support etc.

Pity you can't ask patients to pick a response plan for medical support.

> You are right, there is little peanut butter left. And I don't know what

> the calls are but there are lots, and then they call again, and again, and

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I agree with Jean’s comments below, but would also address

the issue of “entitlement” attitudes of some patients, and would

simply explain to them that because you are a small practice that is trying to

work on a low-overhead model so that more quality time can be spent with

patients, you are simply not able to meet their expectations, and that they

would be best served by going to a high-volume practice that has the staffing

to do the extra things they expect.

The “20-80” rule usually applies to these

situations, where “20% of the patients result in 80% of the calls,”

and “20% of the insurance companies result in 80% of the lengthy preauth

calls.” Figure out who those 20% patients are and which

of the insurance companies are causing the biggest problems, and take an appropriate

action.

How many active patients do you have? Depending on the

illness burden in your patient population, it might be very hard to have more

than a few hundred elderly patients with multiple chronic diseases, while one

could probably manage up to 1,000 young healthy patients with no chronic

problems with only one staff. I personally have about 700 patients, and would

rapidly get burned out if I took any more. I do have one staff, my “volunteer”

wife, and would need to cut my patient load down to 500 or less if she were not

able to help.

dts

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Jean

Antonucci

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:34 PM

To:

Subject: Re: tightening up the front and back end

some thoughts that may or may

not apply

have you closed your practices?

If your supply of visits and work time is too great for the

number of patietns you serve, then the work will never

be do able If you see only HIV patietns you may need to have a smaller

panel than if you see only well children....

what are all these calls about?

Learning the nature shold allow you to forestall these

-- refills? well then it is visit time

Lab results?

patietns should be educated what/how to expect results and

docs should have a system to get them to patietns Email is a gift from

the gods SOO much better than snail mail

appointmetns- do it online I do not, but I hear this goes

over very well

prior auths?

I gotta tell you I do not have insurances that make me do many of

these I will do some Some are known to be needed- do it at the visit

Sometimes if it is a med i tell the patietn the name of every say

PI and say call up and find out which are OK and then i will do it. I say

call up the number on the back of your card ,tell then to fax me a form. if i

can do it ,i will .if it asks me al ot of question you may have to come

in. Involving patietns never seems to go badly

sepcialist appointments?

have the patietn call

test s cheduling? fax the order and have the patietn

set it up I will not use specialists if they do not let the

patietn scheule I educate patietns " tell them to check theri

fax machine tell them they have the paperwork "

CAn any of that help?

Supporting 2-3 employees means there is very l ittel peanut butter left

over for YOU.

On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Kathy Saradarian

wrote:

All I

can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it

alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had a

Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel and stop

accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work already? Does

that make sense?

Kathy

Saradarian, MD

Branchville,

NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo

4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice

Partner 5/03

Low

staffing

From: [mailto: ]

On Behalf Of drsof99

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

To:

Subject: tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are

both on the phone or

with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we

are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse

is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

stuff.

I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying

to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement " attitude

of

some of the pts is driving me crazy!

--

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please note the new email address.

Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

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Don't be ruled by the phone! You might want to try one of these online appointment scheduling systems for starters. This will at least cut back on phone calls to schedule appts---and you still get the appointment.

You can also use secure messaging for people to request renewed referrals and lab results. Send them a message and a brief explanation of the lab result. They can come in for followup if they want or need a more detailed explanation (or treatment).

tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the phone or with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message. I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt stuff.I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I deperately need help streamlining things-the "entitlement" attitude of some of the pts is driving me

crazy!

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"Entitlement patients" may need to be set up with once a month visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't been heard about their needs. It takes time to build that trust. Office visits is the time to use. I've even built a "contract" with patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or whatever is overwhelming. This in effect helps the patient learn how to prioritize without fear of not having needs met. Once that trust is established the phone calls drop off completely in most of these patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills check, referral check, explaination about A1C check. They can start a new list for the next monthly visit.

All I can say is "yeah, I hear you." That's why I can't work it alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work already? Does that make sense?

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypr actice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of drsof99Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AMTo: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the phone or with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message. I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt stuff.I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I deperately need help streamlining things-the "entitlement" attitude of some of the pts is driving me

crazy!

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I think this general advice is all great. But sometimes

you just have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday. Each

call was a unique problem and a unique patient. But this time of year

people have sudden “emergencies” like needing a sports physical or

just having the form signed by the school physician who is on vacation and you

are covering them.

Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and

everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks vacation,

then only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The guy who just

developed Guillan Barre was released from the hospital and needed referrals to

a neurophthalmologist. Another lady was told by the wound care center that

she should have a graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she

wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me. Thing is she is a 400 lb

agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids have to bring

her. Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic starting insulin.

Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and syringes. Been playing

phone tag for weeks. Fax machine was down so finally got that up and

running Thursday, crush of issues. Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions

and calls to say he has the Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to

straighten this out and they didn’t get it for him and now he has

appt for diabetic teaching and doesn’t have his insulin (I don’t

know why they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of itself

is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess what, it

requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic patient calls at end

of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE offer to add her to end of day

and she doesn’t feel like leaving the house. Another patient LPN

calls while I am in with last patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her

face suddenly got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been

taking Advil and thinks it’s an allergic reaction but what should she

do? Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI whom she is

seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy comes in with severe attack

of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4 deep already) Sent to ER.

Has a dilated duct. I say to call gastro, he won’t admit only

consult. She has no other medical problems for me to treat. That is

bull kaka. Get another call from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP

med I already called in to local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is

4 months late making an appt. People call for refills I gave them

last month at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note

that they are out of refills because they can’t handle getting them

before those last 2 weeks. I have not been able to figure out why this “refilling

at the OV” stuff doesn’t work. Pharmacy always says “we

didn’t get it” but they did. It’s not just one pharmacy

either though some are worse than others.

You just can’t anticipate days like this, you can’t

prepare, you can’t fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on

the same day. You have to deal with it. It’s not people

trying to get appts, mostly it’s people refusing to make appts.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Myria

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM

To:

Subject: RE: tightening up the front and back end

" Entitlement patients " may need to be set up

with once a month visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and

then every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of

these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't been heard

about their needs. It takes time to build that trust. Office visits is

the time to use. I've even built a " contract " with patients

to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or whatever is overwhelming.

This in effect helps the patient learn how to prioritize without fear of not

having needs met. Once that trust is established the phone calls drop

off completely in most of these patients. Make a check off list for the

patient: refills check, referral check, explaination about A1C check.

They can start a new list for the next monthly visit.

All

I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it

alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had a

Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel and stop

accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work already?

Does that make sense?

Kathy

Saradarian, MD

Branchville,

NJ

www.qualityfamilypr

actice.com

Solo

4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice

Partner 5/03

Low

staffing

From: Practiceimprovement

1yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:Practiceimprovement

1yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of drsof99

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

To: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I

are both on the phone or

with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we

are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse

is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

stuff.

I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying

to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement " attitude

of

some of the pts is driving me crazy!

--

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please note the new email address.

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We're (poorly) paid for visits, not health care, so we're forced by the

payment policies to make patients come in to the office for a visit when

the issue may have easily been addressed by phone or email.

It's not the patients, it's not greedy docs - it is a fatally flawed

system of policies that push volume of care not health care. Keep

hammering this message with your patients and in any public venue to

which you have access.

The foundation of a less expensive and logical health system is effective

primary care. Our system won't fund adequate primary care, choosing

instead to pay for piece-work as if we were making toasters, then

layering on an untenable burden of administrative trivia that diverts us

from patient care as we argue nuances of medicine with denial

clerks.

Don't let the system drive a wedge between you and your patients - of

course people can be unreasonable at times, but the bulk of our burden is

not our patients but the outrageous policies that leave tens of millions

Americans with no health insurance, tens of millions more with out of

pocket charges they can ill afford, added to a Byzantine array of trivial

nuances of coverage that changes with every insurer, every employer, and

every year.

The health care structure of the US is fatally flawed and must be

fundamentally changed. Keep the message simple and positive:

We can beautifully serve our patients if we are given adequate resources

to do so and if we are unshackled from crushing burden of administrative

denials and trivia.

Gordon

At 06:28 AM 8/23/2008, you wrote:

I think this general advice is

all great. But sometimes you just have a bad day and that was what

we were having yesterday. Each call was a unique problem and a

unique patient. But this time of year people have sudden

“emergencies” like needing a sports physical or just having the form

signed by the school physician who is on vacation and you are covering

them.

Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and everything

had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks vacation, then

only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The guy who just

developed Guillan Barre was released from the hospital and needed

referrals to a neurophthalmologist. Another lady was told by the

wound care center that she should have a graft be in the hospital for 1

week and then in rehab and she wanted to talk it over with me as she

trusts me. Thing is she is a 400 lb agoraphobic and hard to get out

of her house and her kids have to bring her. Trying to get Levmir

Flex Pens for diabetic starting insulin. Denied by insurance so now

call in insulin and syringes. Been playing phone tag for

weeks. Fax machine was down so finally got that up and running

Thursday, crush of issues. Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions

and calls to say he has the Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have

to straighten this out and they didn’t get it for him and now he

has appt for diabetic teaching and doesn’t have his insulin (I don’t know

why they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of

itself is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess

what, it requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic

patient calls at end of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE

offer to add her to end of day and she doesn’t feel like leaving the

house. Another patient LPN calls while I am in with last patient

that yesterday, when she was driving, her face suddenly got red, itchy

and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been taking Advil and thinks

it’s an allergic reaction but what should she do? Meanwhile,

patient that I have already referred to GI whom she is seeing for

complications from choledocodudenostomy comes in with severe attack of

pain (walk in, patients backed up 4 deep already) Sent to ER.

Has a dilated duct. I say to call gastro, he won’t admit only

consult. She has no other medical problems for me to treat.

That is bull kaka. Get another call from Caremark for 3 month

renewal of BP med I already called in to local pharmacy 2 weeks ago

because he ran out and is 4 months late making an appt.

People call for refills I gave them last month at their OV, or Caremark

files them but still sends patient a note that they are out of refills

because they can’t handle getting them before those last 2 weeks. I

have not been able to figure out why this “refilling at the OV” stuff

doesn’t work. Pharmacy always says “we didn’t get it” but they

did. It’s not just one pharmacy either though some are worse than

others.

You just can’t anticipate days like this, you can’t prepare, you can’t

fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on the same day.

You have to deal with it. It’s not people trying to get appts,

mostly it’s people refusing to make appts.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[

mailto: ] On Behalf Of

Myria

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM

To:

Subject: RE: tightening up the front and

back end

" Entitlement patients " may need to be set up with once a month

visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then every

other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of these

patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't been heard about

their needs. It takes time to build that trust. Office visits is

the time to use. I've even built a " contract " with

patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or whatever is

overwhelming. This in effect helps the patient learn how to

prioritize without fear of not having needs met. Once that trust is

established the phone calls drop off completely in most of these

patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills check, referral

check, explaination about A1C check. They can start a new list for

the next monthly visit.

All I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't

work it alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I

actually had a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my

panel and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work

already? Does that make sense?

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypr

actice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

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Subject: [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back

end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the phone or

with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we

are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse

is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and

pre-

auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

stuff.

I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying

to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement "

attitude of

some of the pts is driving me crazy!

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Kathy. Ouch. i undrstand- i have days like that of course .but not the energy to type it all.I thought though that caca was spelled with a c ? :) " bull kaka "

I think this general advice is all great. But sometimes

you just have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday. Each

call was a unique problem and a unique patient. But this time of year

people have sudden "emergencies" like needing a sports physical or

just having the form signed by the school physician who is on vacation and you

are covering them.

Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and

everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks vacation,

then only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The guy who just

developed Guillan Barre was released from the hospital and needed referrals to

a neurophthalmologist. Another lady was told by the wound care center that

she should have a graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she

wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me. Thing is she is a 400 lb

agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids have to bring

her. Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic starting insulin.

Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and syringes. Been playing

phone tag for weeks. Fax machine was down so finally got that up and

running Thursday, crush of issues. Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions

and calls to say he has the Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to

straighten this out and they didn't get it for him and now he has

appt for diabetic teaching and doesn't have his insulin (I don't

know why they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of itself

is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess what, it

requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic patient calls at end

of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE offer to add her to end of day

and she doesn't feel like leaving the house. Another patient LPN

calls while I am in with last patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her

face suddenly got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been

taking Advil and thinks it's an allergic reaction but what should she

do? Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI whom she is

seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy comes in with severe attack

of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4 deep already) Sent to ER.

Has a dilated duct. I say to call gastro, he won't admit only

consult. She has no other medical problems for me to treat. That is

bull kaka. Get another call from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP

med I already called in to local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is

4 months late making an appt. People call for refills I gave them

last month at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note

that they are out of refills because they can't handle getting them

before those last 2 weeks. I have not been able to figure out why this "refilling

at the OV" stuff doesn't work. Pharmacy always says "we

didn't get it" but they did. It's not just one pharmacy

either though some are worse than others.

You just can't anticipate days like this, you can't

prepare, you can't fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on

the same day. You have to deal with it. It's not people

trying to get appts, mostly it's people refusing to make appts.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Myria

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM

To:

Subject: RE: tightening up the front and back end

" Entitlement patients " may need to be set up

with once a month visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and

then every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of

these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't been heard

about their needs. It takes time to build that trust. Office visits is

the time to use. I've even built a " contract " with patients

to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or whatever is overwhelming.

This in effect helps the patient learn how to prioritize without fear of not

having needs met. Once that trust is established the phone calls drop

off completely in most of these patients. Make a check off list for the

patient: refills check, referral check, explaination about A1C check.

They can start a new list for the next monthly visit.

All

I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it

alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had a

Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel and stop

accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work already?

Does that make sense?

Kathy

Saradarian, MD

Branchville,

NJ

www.qualityfamilypr

actice.com

Solo

4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice

Partner 5/03

Low

staffing

From: Practiceimprovement

1yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:Practiceimprovement

1yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of drsof99

Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

To: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

Subject: [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I

are both on the phone or

with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we

are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse

is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

stuff.

I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying

to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement " attitude

of

some of the pts is driving me crazy!

--

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please note the new email address.

Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

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Yep Kathy - I agree, no matter how well we organize, there are always weeks like this, especially before or after time off. Enjoy the vacation!Kathy. Ouch. i undrstand- i have days  like that of course .but not the energy to type it all.I thought   though that  caca      was spelled with a     c ?      :)     "bull kaka"On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Kathy Saradarian <qualityfphughes (DOT) net>wrote:I think this general advice is all great.  But sometimes you just have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday.  Each call was a unique problem and a unique patient.  But this time of year people have sudden "emergencies" like needing a sports physical or just having the form signed by the school physician who is on vacation and you are covering them. Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks vacation, then only coming back for 2 days and gone again.  The guy who just developed Guillan Barre was released from the hospital and needed referrals to a neurophthalmologist.  Another lady was told by the wound care center that she should have a graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me.  Thing is she is a 400 lb agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids have to bring her.  Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic starting insulin.  Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and syringes.  Been playing phone tag for weeks.  Fax machine was down so finally got that up and running Thursday, crush of issues.  Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions and calls to say he has the Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to straighten this out and they didn't get it for him  and now he has appt for diabetic teaching and doesn't have his insulin (I don't know why they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of itself is ridiculous.   Order med on Medicaid patient and guess what, it requires a preauth.  Home health aid of quadriplegic patient calls at end of day on Friday that patient is sick.  WE offer to add her to end of day and she doesn't feel like leaving the house.  Another patient LPN calls while I am in with last patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her face suddenly got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been taking Advil and thinks it's an allergic reaction but what should she do?  Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI whom she is seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy comes in with severe attack of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4 deep already)  Sent to ER.  Has a dilated duct.  I say to call gastro, he won't admit only consult.  She has no other medical problems for me to treat.  That is bull kaka.   Get another call from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP med I already called in to local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is 4 months late making an appt.   People call for refills I gave them last month at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note that they are out of refills because they can't handle getting them before those last 2 weeks.  I have not been able to figure out why this "refilling at the OV" stuff doesn't work.  Pharmacy always says "we didn't get it" but they did.  It's not just one pharmacy either though some are worse than others. You just can't anticipate days like this, you can't prepare, you can't fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on the same day.  You have to deal with it.  It's not people trying to get appts, mostly it's people refusing to make appts.  Kathy Saradarian, MDBranchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypractice.comSolo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03Low staffing   From:   [mailto: ] On Behalf Of MyriaSent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AMTo:  Subject: RE: tightening up the front and back end "Entitlement patients" may need to be set up with once a month visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed.  Many of these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't been heard about their needs.  It takes time to build that trust. Office visits is the time to use.  I've even built a "contract" with patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or whatever is overwhelming.  This in effect helps the patient learn how to prioritize without fear of not having needs met.  Once that trust is established the phone calls drop off completely in most of these patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills check, referral check, explaination about A1C check.  They can start a new list for the next monthly visit. --- On Fri, 8/22/08, T. , MD<DonSSammamishDiabetesAndLipid (DOT) Org> wrote:From: T. , MD <DonSSammamishDiabetesAndLipid (DOT) Org>Subject: RE: tightening up the front and back endTo:  Date: Friday, August 22, 2008, 5:53 PMI agree with Jean's comments below, but would also address the issue of "entitlement" attitudes of some patients, and would simply explain to them that because you are a small practice that is trying to work on a low-overhead model so that more quality time can be spent with patients, you are simply not able to meet their expectations, and that they would be best served by going to a high-volume practice that has the staffing to do the extra things they expect. The "20-80" rule usually applies to these situations, where "20% of the patients  result in 80% of the calls," and "20% of the insurance companies result in 80% of the lengthy preauth calls."    Figure out who those 20% patients are and which of the insurance companies are causing the biggest problems, and take an appropriate action.  How many active patients do you have?  Depending on the illness burden in your patient population, it might be very hard to have more than a few hundred elderly patients with multiple chronic diseases, while one could probably manage up to 1,000 young healthy patients with no chronic problems with only one staff.  I personally have about 700 patients, and would rapidly get burned out if I took any more. I do have one staff, my "volunteer" wife, and would need to cut my patient load down to 500 or less if she were not able to help.    dts From: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:@ yahoogroups. com] On Behalf Of Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 12:34 PMTo: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: Re: [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back end some thoughts that may or may not apply have you closed your practices? If  your supply of visits and work time  is too great for the number of  patietns you serve,  then the work  will never  be do able If you see only HIV patietns  you may need to have a smaller panel than if you see only well children.... what are all these calls about? Learning the nature shold allow you to forestall these-- refills? well then it is visit time Lab results?patietns  should be educated   what/how to expect results and docs  should have a system to get them to patietns Email is a gift from the gods SOO much better than snail mail appointmetns- do it online  I do not, but I hear this  goes over very wellprior auths?I gotta tell you I do not have  insurances that make me  do many of these I will do some  Some are known to be needed- do it at the visit Sometimes  if it is a med i tell the patietn the name of every  say PI and say call up and find out which are OK and  then i will do it. I say call up the number on the back of your card ,tell then to fax me a form. if i can do it ,i will .if it asks me al ot of question  you may have to come in. Involving patietns never seems to go badly sepcialist appointments?have the patietn call test  s cheduling?  fax the order  and have the patietn set it up  I will not use specialists if they  do not let the  patietn scheule  I educate patietns "tell them to check theri fax  machine tell them they  have the paperwork"CAn any of that help?Supporting 2-3 employees means there is very  l ittel peanut butter left over for YOU.On Fri, Aug 22, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Kathy Saradarian <qualityfphughes (DOT) net> wrote:All I can say is "yeah, I hear you."  That's why I can't work it alone.  Too many phone calls and other stuff.  And I actually had a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel and stop accepting new patients.  Like, there is too much work already?  Does that make sense?  Kathy Saradarian, MDBranchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypr actice.comSolo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03Low staffing   From: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of drsof99Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AMTo: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back end I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the phone or with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message. I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt stuff.I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I deperately need help streamlining things-the "entitlement" attitude of some of the pts is driving me crazy!-- If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/please note the new email address.Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/ MD ph fax  -- If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/please note the new email address.Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/ MD ph fax

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Our office has about 750 active charts, just Mike the MD and me the MA.

We have struggled with phone calls

but have been able to cut them about in half by making a few changes.

1. give your patients parameters. Our voice mail says, whether you are

a pt or a medical office, make sure

your message leaves ALL the info we will need to process your request.

(Dont make me call you back to figure out why

you called.) We say, call before 10am if you want a same day appt, but

we'd rather you book online.

If you need something handled today, you need to let us know by

12noon. That was the biggest breakthrough for me

because it meant I could listen to the voice mails after 12, but unless

it was really urgent, I felt free to ignore 'til the next day.

It helped us get out the door, and prevents the multitude of calls by

people who figure if they call at the end of the

day you will take care of it cause there are no more appts. We let them

know we prefer them to email instead of voicemail.

Emails are just so much easier to deal with and easy to save to their

chart. We have gotten a few specialists offices to let us schedule

our patients by setting up secure onebox email accounts for them, then

Mike sends over the consult and office note and recent labs

and they email back an appt time. This is so wonderful because we have

never had these offices call and say, " we are seeing

your patient and we have no medical records blah, blah " because

everything is right there. Faxing stinks so anytime anyone will let me

email stuff instead I jump on it.

2. we have more patients than we had a year ago, but half the phone

messages. Most folks just need to be educated to how

an IMP office works versus what they are used to. I say, look folks,

it's just me. I check you in and out, make referrals,

schedule tests, deal with your ins co, answer emails and phone calls,

schedule appts, preauth tests and medications. We do this

so you can have more face time with your Doctor, which is the only real

thing of value in your Dr's appt, yes? If you want long appts

and same day appts and 24 hour access, you need to be part of the team,

cause that's the only we can do it. If it needs Dr Jewetts

attention, it probably needs an appt.

Not perfect, but it is better. Good luck,

Kari

> Kathy.

> Ouch. i undrstand- i have days like that of course .but not the

> energy to type it all.

> I thought though that caca was spelled with a c ? :)

> " bull kaka "

>

>

>

> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Kathy Saradarian

> > wrote:

>

> I think this general advice is all great. But sometimes you just

> have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday. Each

> call was a unique problem and a unique patient. But this time of

> year people have sudden " emergencies " like needing a sports

> physical or just having the form signed by the school physician

> who is on vacation and you are covering them.

>

>

>

> Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and

> everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks

> vacation, then only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The

> guy who just developed Guillan Barre was released from the

> hospital and needed referrals to a neurophthalmologist. Another

> lady was told by the wound care center that she should have a

> graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she

> wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me. Thing is she is

> a 400 lb agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids

> have to bring her. Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic

> starting insulin. Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and

> syringes. Been playing phone tag for weeks. Fax machine was down

> so finally got that up and running Thursday, crush of issues.

> Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions and calls to say he has the

> Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to straighten this

> out and they didn't get it for him and now he has appt for

> diabetic teaching and doesn't have his insulin (I don't know why

> they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of

> itself is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess

> what, it requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic

> patient calls at end of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE

> offer to add her to end of day and she doesn't feel like leaving

> the house. Another patient LPN calls while I am in with last

> patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her face suddenly

> got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been

> taking Advil and thinks it's an allergic reaction but what should

> she do? Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI

> whom she is seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy

> comes in with severe attack of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4

> deep already) Sent to ER. Has a dilated duct. I say to call

> gastro, he won't admit only consult. She has no other medical

> problems for me to treat. That is bull kaka. Get another call

> from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP med I already called in to

> local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is 4 months late

> making an appt. People call for refills I gave them last month

> at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note

> that they are out of refills because they can't handle getting

> them before those last 2 weeks. I have not been able to figure

> out why this " refilling at the OV " stuff doesn't work. Pharmacy

> always says " we didn't get it " but they did. It's not just one

> pharmacy either though some are worse than others.

>

>

>

> You just can't anticipate days like this, you can't prepare, you

> can't fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on the same

> day. You have to deal with it. It's not people trying to get

> appts, mostly it's people refusing to make appts.

>

>

>

>

>

> Kathy Saradarian, MD

>

> Branchville, NJ

>

> www.qualityfamilypractice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com>

>

> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

>

> Practice Partner 5/03

>

> Low staffing

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:*

> <mailto: >

> [mailto:

> <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *Myria

> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM

> *To:*

> <mailto: >

>

> *Subject:* RE: tightening up the front and

> back end

>

>

>

> " Entitlement patients " may need to be set up with once a month

> visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then

> every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of

> these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't

> been heard about their needs. It takes time to build that trust.

> Office visits is the time to use. I've even built a " contract "

> with patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or

> whatever is overwhelming. This in effect helps the patient learn

> how to prioritize without fear of not having needs met. Once that

> trust is established the phone calls drop off completely in most

> of these patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills

> check, referral check, explaination about A1C check. They can

> start a new list for the next monthly visit.

>

>

>

> All I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it

> alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had

> a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel

> and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work

> already? Does that make sense?

>

>

>

>

>

> Kathy Saradarian, MD

>

> Branchville, NJ

>

> www.qualityfamilypr actice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com/>

>

> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

>

> Practice Partner 5/03

>

> Low staffing

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >

> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *drsof99

> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >

> *Subject:* [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and

> back end

>

>

>

> I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the

> phone or

> with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up

> while we

> are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

> the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

>

> I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

> management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My

> nurse

> is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

> auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

> stuff.

>

> I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am

> trying

> to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

> calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

> deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement "

> attitude of

> some of the pts is driving me crazy!

>

>

>

>

> --

> If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/

> please note the new email address.

> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

> MD

>

>

> ph fax

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/

> please note the new email address.

> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

> MD

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>

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Kari -i LIKE the idea of email to specialists! I wonder if i can get that to work- probably not but i will try it. Had not OCCURRED to me! Thanks! CAn offices that routinely lose faxes work email? My own doc refuses to email me though I paid her last time for the i wanted a refil and asked by fax ,as a positive feedback to teach her not to be afraid

I agree that patietns just do not know what to do and i n other offices they had to pound away to ever hear backin our offices as over time they see that we are reliable i find things go betterI personally worry about the " if you need it today call me before noon " stuff- since for me as a patient who has a busy job i would blow it

I often use a script like, when I get th a bad dog agian? i was supposed to do the refills when you were here- didn't i just see you ?You gotta nag me at visits so i do not inconvenence you like this again. " Now i have these orchids these snesitive flower patietns who if you look at them funny say the f word gte mad or think the world insulted them I think they are every patietn everywhere thoguh. Patients think that when The Hospitlaist said he was calling the home health nurse that the guy sat down and talked to the nurse in detail( vs, he wrote an order to sned them in ) I have a patietn who saw one cardiologist once many yrs ago but believes he knows who she is and every single meidcal thing that has gone on with her everywhere since , because he casually said something about keeping an eye on her

So the disparity between how health care works for people, how ordinary people think about how to deal with a burarucracy, and the reality of our practices ,takes some time to settle down I am finding that after 3 yrs most of this stuff has settled and some patietns moved on.On BAD dAYs like KAthy had then I too watn to shoot the phone-fortunaltey those days are rare exceptions and sometimes they are warnigns to me- jean schedule less close th practice pay attention to doing refills when they a re in, schedule much less pre and post vacation times.

Thanks for the idea KAri.1

Our office has about 750 active charts, just Mike the MD and me the MA.

We have struggled with phone calls

but have been able to cut them about in half by making a few changes.

1. give your patients parameters. Our voice mail says, whether you are

a pt or a medical office, make sure

your message leaves ALL the info we will need to process your request.

(Dont make me call you back to figure out why

you called.) We say, call before 10am if you want a same day appt, but

we'd rather you book online.

If you need something handled today, you need to let us know by

12noon. That was the biggest breakthrough for me

because it meant I could listen to the voice mails after 12, but unless

it was really urgent, I felt free to ignore 'til the next day.

It helped us get out the door, and prevents the multitude of calls by

people who figure if they call at the end of the

day you will take care of it cause there are no more appts. We let them

know we prefer them to email instead of voicemail.

Emails are just so much easier to deal with and easy to save to their

chart. We have gotten a few specialists offices to let us schedule

our patients by setting up secure onebox email accounts for them, then

Mike sends over the consult and office note and recent labs

and they email back an appt time. This is so wonderful because we have

never had these offices call and say, " we are seeing

your patient and we have no medical records blah, blah " because

everything is right there. Faxing stinks so anytime anyone will let me

email stuff instead I jump on it.

2. we have more patients than we had a year ago, but half the phone

messages. Most folks just need to be educated to how

an IMP office works versus what they are used to. I say, look folks,

it's just me. I check you in and out, make referrals,

schedule tests, deal with your ins co, answer emails and phone calls,

schedule appts, preauth tests and medications. We do this

so you can have more face time with your Doctor, which is the only real

thing of value in your Dr's appt, yes? If you want long appts

and same day appts and 24 hour access, you need to be part of the team,

cause that's the only we can do it. If it needs Dr Jewetts

attention, it probably needs an appt.

Not perfect, but it is better. Good luck,

Kari

> Kathy.

> Ouch. i undrstand- i have days like that of course .but not the

> energy to type it all.

> I thought though that caca was spelled with a c ? :)

> " bull kaka "

>

>

>

> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Kathy Saradarian

> > wrote:

>

> I think this general advice is all great. But sometimes you just

> have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday. Each

> call was a unique problem and a unique patient. But this time of

> year people have sudden " emergencies " like needing a sports

> physical or just having the form signed by the school physician

> who is on vacation and you are covering them.

>

>

>

> Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and

> everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks

> vacation, then only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The

> guy who just developed Guillan Barre was released from the

> hospital and needed referrals to a neurophthalmologist. Another

> lady was told by the wound care center that she should have a

> graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she

> wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me. Thing is she is

> a 400 lb agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids

> have to bring her. Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic

> starting insulin. Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and

> syringes. Been playing phone tag for weeks. Fax machine was down

> so finally got that up and running Thursday, crush of issues.

> Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions and calls to say he has the

> Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to straighten this

> out and they didn't get it for him and now he has appt for

> diabetic teaching and doesn't have his insulin (I don't know why

> they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of

> itself is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess

> what, it requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic

> patient calls at end of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE

> offer to add her to end of day and she doesn't feel like leaving

> the house. Another patient LPN calls while I am in with last

> patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her face suddenly

> got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been

> taking Advil and thinks it's an allergic reaction but what should

> she do? Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI

> whom she is seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy

> comes in with severe attack of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4

> deep already) Sent to ER. Has a dilated duct. I say to call

> gastro, he won't admit only consult. She has no other medical

> problems for me to treat. That is bull kaka. Get another call

> from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP med I already called in to

> local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is 4 months late

> making an appt. People call for refills I gave them last month

> at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note

> that they are out of refills because they can't handle getting

> them before those last 2 weeks. I have not been able to figure

> out why this " refilling at the OV " stuff doesn't work. Pharmacy

> always says " we didn't get it " but they did. It's not just one

> pharmacy either though some are worse than others.

>

>

>

> You just can't anticipate days like this, you can't prepare, you

> can't fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on the same

> day. You have to deal with it. It's not people trying to get

> appts, mostly it's people refusing to make appts.

>

>

>

>

>

> Kathy Saradarian, MD

>

> Branchville, NJ

>

> www.qualityfamilypractice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com>

>

> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

>

> Practice Partner 5/03

>

> Low staffing

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:*

> <mailto: >

> [mailto:

> <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *Myria

> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM

> *To:*

> <mailto: >

>

> *Subject:* RE: tightening up the front and

> back end

>

>

>

> " Entitlement patients " may need to be set up with once a month

> visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then

> every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of

> these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't

> been heard about their needs. It takes time to build that trust.

> Office visits is the time to use. I've even built a " contract "

> with patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or

> whatever is overwhelming. This in effect helps the patient learn

> how to prioritize without fear of not having needs met. Once that

> trust is established the phone calls drop off completely in most

> of these patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills

> check, referral check, explaination about A1C check. They can

> start a new list for the next monthly visit.

>

>

>

> All I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it

> alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had

> a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel

> and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work

> already? Does that make sense?

>

>

>

>

>

> Kathy Saradarian, MD

>

> Branchville, NJ

>

> www.qualityfamilypr actice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com/>

>

> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

>

> Practice Partner 5/03

>

> Low staffing

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >

> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *drsof99

> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >

> *Subject:* [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and

> back end

>

>

>

> I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the

> phone or

> with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up

> while we

> are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

> the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.

>

> I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice

> management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My

> nurse

> is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-

> auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt

> stuff.

>

> I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am

> trying

> to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

> calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

> deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement "

> attitude of

> some of the pts is driving me crazy!

>

>

>

>

> --

> If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/

> please note the new email address.

> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

> MD

>

>

> ph fax

>

>

>

>

>

>

> --

> If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/

> please note the new email address.

> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

> MD

>

>

> ph fax

>

>

-- If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/please note the new email address.Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/ MD

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Having both had and not had a receptionist in the last 2 months, I can offer a case-control analysis of the call volume. My call volume dropped by more than half when my receptionist had to take leave and1) I made it clear that I had no staff - and wrote a precise phone message detailing when and how I would call back (as well as how to get refills, etc) 2) Started using Appointment Quest.Despite having no one pick up the phone, it is clear to me in the last month's communications with patients that they feel that they have MORE access leaving a message on my phone than talking directly to someone who is not me. Fascinating. No more anxious callbacks every hour if I haven't called back - somehow patients won't do that to me, but they will to my receptionist.I have about 900 active patients. Currently see around 10/day. Get no more than ten phone messages/day. Only half require callbacks.Our office has about 750 active charts, just Mike the MD and me the MA. We have struggled with phone callsbut have been able to cut them about in half by making a few changes.1. give your patients parameters. Our voice mail says, whether you are a pt or a medical office, make sureyour message leaves ALL the info we will need to process your request. (Dont make me call you back to figure out whyyou called.) We say, call before 10am if you want a same day appt, but we'd rather you book online.If you need something handled today, you need to let us know by 12noon. That was the biggest breakthrough for mebecause it meant I could listen to the voice mails after 12, but unless it was really urgent, I felt free to ignore 'til the next day.It helped us get out the door, and prevents the multitude of calls by people who figure if they call at the end of theday you will take care of it cause there are no more appts. We let them know we prefer them to email instead of voicemail.Emails are just so much easier to deal with and easy to save to their chart. We have gotten a few specialists offices to let us scheduleour patients by setting up secure onebox email accounts for them, then Mike sends over the consult and office note and recent labsand they email back an appt time. This is so wonderful because we have never had these offices call and say, "we are seeingyour patient and we have no medical records blah, blah" because everything is right there. Faxing stinks so anytime anyone will let meemail stuff instead I jump on it.2. we have more patients than we had a year ago, but half the phone messages. Most folks just need to be educated to howan IMP office works versus what they are used to. I say, look folks, it's just me. I check you in and out, make referrals,schedule tests, deal with your ins co, answer emails and phone calls, schedule appts, preauth tests and medications. We do thisso you can have more face time with your Doctor, which is the only real thing of value in your Dr's appt, yes? If you want long apptsand same day appts and 24 hour access, you need to be part of the team, cause that's the only we can do it. If it needs Dr Jewettsattention, it probably needs an appt. Not perfect, but it is better. Good luck,Kari> Kathy.> Ouch. i undrstand- i have days like that of course .but not the > energy to type it all.> I thought though that caca was spelled with a c ? :) > "bull kaka">>>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Kathy Saradarian > <qualityfphughes (DOT) net <mailto:qualityfphughes (DOT) net>> wrote:>> I think this general advice is all great. But sometimes you just> have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday. Each> call was a unique problem and a unique patient. But this time of> year people have sudden "emergencies" like needing a sports> physical or just having the form signed by the school physician> who is on vacation and you are covering them.>> >> Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and> everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks> vacation, then only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The> guy who just developed Guillan Barre was released from the> hospital and needed referrals to a neurophthalmologist. Another> lady was told by the wound care center that she should have a> graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she> wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me. Thing is she is> a 400 lb agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids> have to bring her. Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic> starting insulin. Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and> syringes. Been playing phone tag for weeks. Fax machine was down> so finally got that up and running Thursday, crush of issues. > Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions and calls to say he has the> Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to straighten this> out and they didn't get it for him and now he has appt for> diabetic teaching and doesn't have his insulin (I don't know why> they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of> itself is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess> what, it requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic> patient calls at end of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE> offer to add her to end of day and she doesn't feel like leaving> the house. Another patient LPN calls while I am in with last> patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her face suddenly> got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been> taking Advil and thinks it's an allergic reaction but what should> she do? Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI> whom she is seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy> comes in with severe attack of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4> deep already) Sent to ER. Has a dilated duct. I say to call> gastro, he won't admit only consult. She has no other medical> problems for me to treat. That is bull kaka. Get another call> from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP med I already called in to> local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is 4 months late> making an appt. People call for refills I gave them last month> at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note> that they are out of refills because they can't handle getting> them before those last 2 weeks. I have not been able to figure> out why this "refilling at the OV" stuff doesn't work. Pharmacy> always says "we didn't get it" but they did. It's not just one> pharmacy either though some are worse than others.>> >> You just can't anticipate days like this, you can't prepare, you> can't fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on the same> day. You have to deal with it. It's not people trying to get> appts, mostly it's people refusing to make appts.>> >> >> Kathy Saradarian, MD>> Branchville, NJ>> www.qualityfamilypractice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com>>> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90>> Practice Partner 5/03>> Low staffing>> >> >> >> *From:*  > <mailto: >> [mailto: > <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *Myria> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM> *To:*  > <mailto: >>> *Subject:* RE: tightening up the front and> back end>> >> "Entitlement patients" may need to be set up with once a month> visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then> every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of> these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't> been heard about their needs. It takes time to build that trust.> Office visits is the time to use. I've even built a "contract"> with patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or> whatever is overwhelming. This in effect helps the patient learn> how to prioritize without fear of not having needs met. Once that> trust is established the phone calls drop off completely in most> of these patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills> check, referral check, explaination about A1C check. They can> start a new list for the next monthly visit.>> >> All I can say is "yeah, I hear you." That's why I can't work it> alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had> a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel> and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work> already? Does that make sense?>> >> >> Kathy Saradarian, MD>> Branchville, NJ>> www.qualityfamilypr actice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com/>>> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90>> Practice Partner 5/03>> Low staffing>> >> >> >> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> <mailto: >> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *drsof99> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com> <mailto: >> *Subject:* [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and> back end>> >> I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the> phone or> with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up> while we> are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from> the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.>> I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice> management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My> nurse> is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-> auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt> stuff.>> I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am> trying> to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone> calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I> deperately need help streamlining things-the "entitlement"> attitude of> some of the pts is driving me crazy!>>>>> -- > If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/> please note the new email address.> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/> MD> > > ph fax >> >>>>> -- > If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/> please note the new email address.> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/> MD> > > ph fax >> 

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Boy have you earned your vacation! That one day was enough for a month or more! Hope you have a very nice vacation..

All I can say is "yeah, I hear you." That's why I can't work it alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work already? Does that make sense?

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypr actice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com] On Behalf Of drsof99Sent: Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AMTo: Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) comSubject: [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back end

I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the phone or with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message. I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt stuff.I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I deperately need help streamlining things-the "entitlement" attitude of some of the pts is driving me

crazy!

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Maybe a form of Parkinson's law

> Having both had and not had a receptionist in the last 2 months, I can offer

> a case-control analysis of the call volume.

>

> My call volume dropped by more than half when my receptionist had to take

> leave and

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after I hit send I wondered if I should have clarified that our office

hours are 6:30am to

2:30pm, so by 12 we've been in the office for awhile. Because we get in

so early, I just like to

remind folks that we are not in 'til 5, so the earlier you get to us in

the day, the better.

For the specialists, we found if Mike called the office manager and

explained the benefits, ie

that the MD would have the office note, labs, etc that could be

reprinted if necessary and there

would be no frantic calls back to the PCP of " why in the world am I

seeing this patient??? " The

offices that do this with us are always telling us how much they love

it, too. We also are not sticklers

to our recommendations, we just find that if people know the " best " way

to get their needs met,

they are happy to comply. We are the biggest people pleasers you ever

met, but were feeling overwhelmed

and thought it was not fair to the patients if I felt aggravated

(averaging 75-90 calls/day) if they didnt

even know what would help us be able to easier help them.

wrote:

> Kari -i LIKE the idea of email to specialists! I wonder if i can get

> that to work- probably not but i will try it. Had not OCCURRED to me!

> Thanks! CAn offices that routinely lose faxes work email? My own

> doc refuses to email me though I paid her last time for the i wanted

> a refil and asked by fax ,as a positive feedback to teach her not to

> be afraid

>

>

> I agree that patietns just do not know what to do and i n other

> offices they had to pound away to ever hear back

> in our offices as over time they see that we are reliable i find

> things go better

>

> I personally worry about the " if you need it today call me before

> noon " stuff- since for me as a patient who has a busy job i would

> blow it

>

> I often use a script like, when I get th a bad dog agian? i was

> supposed to do the refills when you were here- didn't i just see you

> ?You gotta nag me at visits so i do not inconvenence you like this

> again. " Now i have these orchids these snesitive flower patietns who

> if you look at them funny say the f word gte mad or think the world

> insulted them I think they are every patietn everywhere thoguh.

> Patients think that when The Hospitlaist said he was calling the home

> health nurse that the guy sat down and talked to the nurse in detail(

> vs, he wrote an order to sned them in ) I have a patietn who saw one

> cardiologist once many yrs ago but believes he knows who she is and

> every single meidcal thing that has gone on with her everywhere

> since , because he casually said something about keeping an eye on her

> So the disparity between how health care works for people, how

> ordinary people think about how to deal with a burarucracy, and the

> reality of our practices ,takes some time to settle down I am finding

> that after 3 yrs most of this stuff has settled and some patietns

> moved on.On BAD dAYs like KAthy had then I too watn to shoot the

> phone-fortunaltey those days are rare exceptions and sometimes they

> are warnigns to me- jean schedule less close th practice pay

> attention to doing refills when they a re in, schedule much less pre

> and post vacation times.

>

> Thanks for the idea KAri.1

>

> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 1:33 PM, Kari <goatsrkids2@...

> > wrote:

>

> Our office has about 750 active charts, just Mike the MD and me

> the MA.

> We have struggled with phone calls

> but have been able to cut them about in half by making a few changes.

> 1. give your patients parameters. Our voice mail says, whether you

> are

> a pt or a medical office, make sure

> your message leaves ALL the info we will need to process your

> request.

> (Dont make me call you back to figure out why

> you called.) We say, call before 10am if you want a same day appt,

> but

> we'd rather you book online.

> If you need something handled today, you need to let us know by

> 12noon. That was the biggest breakthrough for me

> because it meant I could listen to the voice mails after 12, but

> unless

> it was really urgent, I felt free to ignore 'til the next day.

> It helped us get out the door, and prevents the multitude of calls by

> people who figure if they call at the end of the

> day you will take care of it cause there are no more appts. We let

> them

> know we prefer them to email instead of voicemail.

> Emails are just so much easier to deal with and easy to save to their

> chart. We have gotten a few specialists offices to let us schedule

> our patients by setting up secure onebox email accounts for them,

> then

> Mike sends over the consult and office note and recent labs

> and they email back an appt time. This is so wonderful because we

> have

> never had these offices call and say, " we are seeing

> your patient and we have no medical records blah, blah " because

> everything is right there. Faxing stinks so anytime anyone will let me

> email stuff instead I jump on it.

> 2. we have more patients than we had a year ago, but half the phone

> messages. Most folks just need to be educated to how

> an IMP office works versus what they are used to. I say, look folks,

> it's just me. I check you in and out, make referrals,

> schedule tests, deal with your ins co, answer emails and phone calls,

> schedule appts, preauth tests and medications. We do this

> so you can have more face time with your Doctor, which is the only

> real

> thing of value in your Dr's appt, yes? If you want long appts

> and same day appts and 24 hour access, you need to be part of the

> team,

> cause that's the only we can do it. If it needs Dr Jewetts

> attention, it probably needs an appt.

> Not perfect, but it is better. Good luck,

> Kari

>

>

>

> > Kathy.

> > Ouch. i undrstand- i have days like that of course .but not the

> > energy to type it all.

> > I thought though that caca was spelled with a c ? :)

> > " bull kaka "

> >

> >

> >

> > On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Kathy Saradarian

> > <qualityfp@... <mailto:qualityfp%40hughes.net>

> <mailto:qualityfp@... <mailto:qualityfp%40hughes.net>>> wrote:

> >

> > I think this general advice is all great. But sometimes you just

> > have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday. Each

> > call was a unique problem and a unique patient. But this time of

> > year people have sudden " emergencies " like needing a sports

> > physical or just having the form signed by the school physician

> > who is on vacation and you are covering them.

> >

> >

> >

> > Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and

> > everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks

> > vacation, then only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The

> > guy who just developed Guillan Barre was released from the

> > hospital and needed referrals to a neurophthalmologist. Another

> > lady was told by the wound care center that she should have a

> > graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she

> > wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me. Thing is she is

> > a 400 lb agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids

> > have to bring her. Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic

> > starting insulin. Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and

> > syringes. Been playing phone tag for weeks. Fax machine was down

> > so finally got that up and running Thursday, crush of issues.

> > Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions and calls to say he has the

> > Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to straighten this

> > out and they didn't get it for him and now he has appt for

> > diabetic teaching and doesn't have his insulin (I don't know why

> > they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of

> > itself is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess

> > what, it requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic

> > patient calls at end of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE

> > offer to add her to end of day and she doesn't feel like leaving

> > the house. Another patient LPN calls while I am in with last

> > patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her face suddenly

> > got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been

> > taking Advil and thinks it's an allergic reaction but what should

> > she do? Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI

> > whom she is seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy

> > comes in with severe attack of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4

> > deep already) Sent to ER. Has a dilated duct. I say to call

> > gastro, he won't admit only consult. She has no other medical

> > problems for me to treat. That is bull kaka. Get another call

> > from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP med I already called in to

> > local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is 4 months late

> > making an appt. People call for refills I gave them last month

> > at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note

> > that they are out of refills because they can't handle getting

> > them before those last 2 weeks. I have not been able to figure

> > out why this " refilling at the OV " stuff doesn't work. Pharmacy

> > always says " we didn't get it " but they did. It's not just one

> > pharmacy either though some are worse than others.

> >

> >

> >

> > You just can't anticipate days like this, you can't prepare, you

> > can't fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on the same

> > day. You have to deal with it. It's not people trying to get

> > appts, mostly it's people refusing to make appts.

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Kathy Saradarian, MD

> >

> > Branchville, NJ

> >

> > www.qualityfamilypractice.com

> <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com>

> <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com

> <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com>>

>

> >

> > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

> >

> > Practice Partner 5/03

> >

> > Low staffing

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *From:*

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <mailto:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>>

> > [mailto:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

>

> > <mailto:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>>] *On Behalf Of *Myria

> > *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM

> > *To:*

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>

> > <mailto:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>>

>

> >

> > *Subject:* RE: tightening up the front and

> > back end

> >

> >

> >

> > " Entitlement patients " may need to be set up with once a month

> > visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then

> > every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of

> > these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't

> > been heard about their needs. It takes time to build that trust.

> > Office visits is the time to use. I've even built a " contract "

> > with patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or

> > whatever is overwhelming. This in effect helps the patient learn

> > how to prioritize without fear of not having needs met. Once that

> > trust is established the phone calls drop off completely in most

> > of these patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills

> > check, referral check, explaination about A1C check. They can

> > start a new list for the next monthly visit.

> >

> >

> >

> > All I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it

> > alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had

> > a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel

> > and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work

> > already? Does that make sense?

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > Kathy Saradarian, MD

> >

> > Branchville, NJ

> >

> > www.qualityfamilypr actice.com <http://actice.com>

> <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com/

> <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com/>>

>

> >

> > Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

> >

> > Practice Partner 5/03

> >

> > Low staffing

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> > <mailto:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>>

>

> > [mailto:Practiceimprovement <mailto:Practiceimprovement>

> 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> > <mailto:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>>] *On Behalf Of

> *drsof99

>

> > *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM

> > *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> > <mailto:

> <mailto:%40yahoogroups.com>>

>

> > *Subject:* [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and

> > back end

> >

> >

> >

> > I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the

> > phone or

> > with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up

> > while we

> > are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages

> from

> > the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another

> message.

> >

> > I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the

> practice

> > management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My

> > nurse

> > is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and

> pre-

> > auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff

> and pt

> > stuff.

> >

> > I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am

> > trying

> > to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone

> > calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I

> > deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement "

> > attitude of

> > some of the pts is driving me crazy!

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by

> email/

> > please note the new email address.

> > Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

> > MD

> >

> >

> > ph fax

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> > --

> > If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by

> email/

> > please note the new email address.

> > Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

> > MD

> >

> >

> > ph fax

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

> --

> If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/

> please note the new email address.

> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/

> MD

>

>

> ph fax

>

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I don't know 'nothin ' bout case control studies ,,,Guinn has always intimidated me ,Ever since those first IMp 1 calls with her and BRAdy and EAds talking about stuff when I was still afraid to unpack my all in one.

but her story is great this business of decreasing phone calls when the patietn can actually call and access you (me) is exactly the business of being a counter intuitive IMP - lowering the barriers to me produces less requests fo r me to do work

UN fettering the access reduces demands.It is becasue people push so hard at those barriers. More barriers more rules more push back.(aren't YOU crabbier when you call the catalog company who sent you a size 12 skirt when you wear a size 2 and you go through 4 phone trees then get voice mail vs you call up a someone who like actually answers listens and says what you can do? )

We cannot train patients ( though I do not let mine sleep on the couch.... ) how may times I have heard that but we can meet their needs. It s what you THINK you do but it is mind bending to actually Do it becasue in our training we have been beaten up so much we feel the need to protect oursleves .IN CArla's case the dysfunctional patietn is not going to be happy anywhere and it is not about CArla saying oh it is ugly ok when can you come in i will try to help you I can see you at 3 or is tomorrow better.... That one was about the patietn. House of God ( sarcastic but on track actually and brutally funny) Rule #3 --the patient is the one with the disease We need to not be the onbs also with the disease

I have done everyhting wrong already in my career belive me,been there done that with delegating , lots a staff ,traiinng patienys etc I have had to unbend my mind to learn t his IMP thing but it works.This stuff of IMP dom just fries your brain it is so counter to what everyone else in medicine pratices .

CArla- Seattle Next summer...

Having both had and not had a receptionist in the last 2 months, I can offer a case-control analysis of the call volume. My call volume dropped by more than half when my receptionist had to take leave and

1) I made it clear that I had no staff - and wrote a precise phone message detailing when and how I would call back (as well as how to get refills, etc) 2) Started using Appointment Quest.

Despite having no one pick up the phone, it is clear to me in the last month's communications with patients that they feel that they have MORE access leaving a message on my phone than talking directly to someone who is not me. Fascinating.

No more anxious callbacks every hour if I haven't called back - somehow patients won't do that to me, but they will to my receptionist.I have about 900 active patients. Currently see around 10/day. Get no more than ten phone messages/day. Only half require callbacks.

Our office has about 750 active charts, just Mike the MD and me the MA. We have struggled with phone callsbut have been able to cut them about in half by making a few changes.

1. give your patients parameters. Our voice mail says, whether you are a pt or a medical office, make sureyour message leaves ALL the info we will need to process your request. (Dont make me call you back to figure out why

you called.) We say, call before 10am if you want a same day appt, but we'd rather you book online.If you need something handled today, you need to let us know by 12noon. That was the biggest breakthrough for me

because it meant I could listen to the voice mails after 12, but unless it was really urgent, I felt free to ignore 'til the next day.It helped us get out the door, and prevents the multitude of calls by

people who figure if they call at the end of theday you will take care of it cause there are no more appts. We let them know we prefer them to email instead of voicemail.Emails are just so much easier to deal with and easy to save to their

chart. We have gotten a few specialists offices to let us scheduleour patients by setting up secure onebox email accounts for them, then Mike sends over the consult and office note and recent labs

and they email back an appt time. This is so wonderful because we have never had these offices call and say, " we are seeingyour patient and we have no medical records blah, blah " because

everything is right there. Faxing stinks so anytime anyone will let meemail stuff instead I jump on it.2. we have more patients than we had a year ago, but half the phone messages. Most folks just need to be educated to how

an IMP office works versus what they are used to. I say, look folks, it's just me. I check you in and out, make referrals,schedule tests, deal with your ins co, answer emails and phone calls,

schedule appts, preauth tests and medications. We do thisso you can have more face time with your Doctor, which is the only real thing of value in your Dr's appt, yes? If you want long apptsand same day appts and 24 hour access, you need to be part of the team,

cause that's the only we can do it. If it needs Dr Jewettsattention, it probably needs an appt. Not perfect, but it is better. Good luck,Kari> Kathy.> Ouch. i undrstand- i have days like that of course .but not the

> energy to type it all.> I thought though that caca was spelled with a c ? :) > " bull kaka " >>>> On Sat, Aug 23, 2008 at 9:28 AM, Kathy Saradarian

> > wrote:>

> I think this general advice is all great. But sometimes you just> have a bad day and that was what we were having yesterday. Each> call was a unique problem and a unique patient. But this time of> year people have sudden " emergencies " like needing a sports

> physical or just having the form signed by the school physician> who is on vacation and you are covering them.>> >> Part of the problem was that I was covering another doctor and

> everything had to be done yesterday as we were leaving for 1 weeks> vacation, then only coming back for 2 days and gone again. The> guy who just developed Guillan Barre was released from the> hospital and needed referrals to a neurophthalmologist. Another

> lady was told by the wound care center that she should have a> graft be in the hospital for 1 week and then in rehab and she> wanted to talk it over with me as she trusts me. Thing is she is> a 400 lb agoraphobic and hard to get out of her house and her kids

> have to bring her. Trying to get Levmir Flex Pens for diabetic> starting insulin. Denied by insurance so now call in insulin and> syringes. Been playing phone tag for weeks. Fax machine was down> so finally got that up and running Thursday, crush of issues.

> Pharmacy faxes back the prescriptions and calls to say he has the> Flex Pen and which is it going to be we have to straighten this> out and they didn't get it for him and now he has appt for> diabetic teaching and doesn't have his insulin (I don't know why

> they need to have 4 days noticed to get Levemir, that in and of> itself is ridiculous. Order med on Medicaid patient and guess> what, it requires a preauth. Home health aid of quadriplegic> patient calls at end of day on Friday that patient is sick. WE

> offer to add her to end of day and she doesn't feel like leaving> the house. Another patient LPN calls while I am in with last> patient that yesterday, when she was driving, her face suddenly> got red, itchy and swollen and her eyes swollen and she has been

> taking Advil and thinks it's an allergic reaction but what should> she do? Meanwhile, patient that I have already referred to GI> whom she is seeing for complications from choledocodudenostomy> comes in with severe attack of pain (walk in, patients backed up 4

> deep already) Sent to ER. Has a dilated duct. I say to call> gastro, he won't admit only consult. She has no other medical> problems for me to treat. That is bull kaka. Get another call> from Caremark for 3 month renewal of BP med I already called in to

> local pharmacy 2 weeks ago because he ran out and is 4 months late> making an appt. People call for refills I gave them last month> at their OV, or Caremark files them but still sends patient a note

> that they are out of refills because they can't handle getting> them before those last 2 weeks. I have not been able to figure> out why this " refilling at the OV " stuff doesn't work. Pharmacy

> always says " we didn't get it " but they did. It's not just one> pharmacy either though some are worse than others.>> >> You just can't anticipate days like this, you can't prepare, you

> can't fire every patient who decides to have a bad day on the same> day. You have to deal with it. It's not people trying to get> appts, mostly it's people refusing to make appts.>

> >> >> Kathy Saradarian, MD>> Branchville, NJ>> www.qualityfamilypractice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com>

>> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90>> Practice Partner 5/03>> Low staffing>> >> >> >> *From:*

> <mailto: >> [mailto:

> <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *Myria> *Sent:* Saturday, August 23, 2008 9:06 AM> *To:*

> <mailto: >>> *Subject:* RE: tightening up the front and> back end

>> >> " Entitlement patients " may need to be set up with once a month> visit or even every 2 weeks then wean them to monthly and then> every other month.....or keep them on monthly if needed. Many of

> these patients don't trust doctors and are scared they haven't> been heard about their needs. It takes time to build that trust.> Office visits is the time to use. I've even built a " contract "

> with patients to limit phone calls or letters or e-mails or> whatever is overwhelming. This in effect helps the patient learn> how to prioritize without fear of not having needs met. Once that> trust is established the phone calls drop off completely in most

> of these patients. Make a check off list for the patient: refills> check, referral check, explaination about A1C check. They can> start a new list for the next monthly visit.>>

>> All I can say is " yeah, I hear you. " That's why I can't work it> alone. Too many phone calls and other stuff. And I actually had> a Senior Rep at Horizon ask me why I would want to close my panel

> and stop accepting new patients. Like, there is too much work> already? Does that make sense?>> >> >> Kathy Saradarian, MD>> Branchville, NJ

>> www.qualityfamilypr actice.com <http://www.qualityfamilypractice.com/>

>> Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90>> Practice Partner 5/03>> Low staffing>> >> >> >> *From:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >> [mailto:Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >] *On Behalf Of *drsof99> *Sent:* Friday, August 22, 2008 9:47 AM> *To:* Practiceimprovement 1yahoogroups (DOT) com

> <mailto: >> *Subject:* [Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and> back end

>> >> I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the> phone or> with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up> while we> are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from

> the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message.>> I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice> management stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My

> nurse> is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-> auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt> stuff.>> I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am

> trying> to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone> calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I> deperately need help streamlining things-the " entitlement "

> attitude of> some of the pts is driving me crazy!>>>>> -- > If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/> please note the new email address.

> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/> MD> > > ph fax >> >>

>>> -- > If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/> please note the new email address.> Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/> MD

> > > ph fax >>

-- If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/please note the new email address.Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/ MD

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,

I have seen this many times. When I don’t have a

receptionist there are far fewer phone calls. I don’t have an equal

amount of messages on the machine and often it’s the same patient calling

an hour later, “My script isn’t at the pharmacy yet.” Nonsense.

I have not had a receptionist except for after 4 PM for about 4 months time and

every now and then my receptionist takes time when I am in the office.

When I have a receptionist, we have patients who will call and hang up when

they get the machine and immediately dial again, time and time again until

someone answers. Tres annoying. When I handle the calls myself, I

of course, can triage better getting all the information the first time and

usually cut the patient off with the “I can see you at 3PM” which

they don’t argue with, unlike with the receptionist. However, my

patients are much more satisfied with a talking with a live person and don’t

hesitate to tell me that.

I just don’t know how to keep the receptionist and reduce

the number of phone calls.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Graham Chiu

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:42 PM

To:

Subject: Re: tightening up the front and back end

Maybe a form of Parkinson's law

> Having both had and not had a receptionist in the last 2 months, I can

offer

> a case-control analysis of the call volume.

>

> My call volume dropped by more than half when my receptionist had to take

> leave and

--

Graham Chiu

http://www.synapsedirect.com

Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

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Are you using the online scheduling?,I have seen this many times.  When I don’t have a receptionist there are far fewer phone calls.  I don’t have an equal amount of messages on the machine and often it’s the same patient calling an hour later, “My script isn’t at the pharmacy yet.” Nonsense.  I have not had a receptionist except for after 4 PM for about 4 months time and every now and then my receptionist takes time when I am in the office.  When I have a receptionist, we have patients who will call and hang up when they get the machine and immediately dial again, time and time again until someone answers.  Tres annoying.  When I handle the calls myself, I of course, can triage better getting all the information the first time and usually cut the patient off with the “I can see you at 3PM” which they don’t argue with, unlike with the receptionist.  However, my patients are much more satisfied with a talking with a live person and don’t hesitate to tell me that. I just don’t know how to keep the receptionist and reduce the number of phone calls.  Kathy Saradarian, MDBranchville, NJwww.qualityfamilypractice.comSolo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90Practice Partner 5/03Low staffing   From:  [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Graham ChiuSent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 4:42 PMTo:  Subject: Re: tightening up the front and back end Maybe a form of Parkinson's lawOn Sun, Aug 24, 2008 at 6:26 AM, Guinn <NGuinn555comcast (DOT) net> wrote:> Having both had and not had a receptionist in the last 2 months, I can offer> a case-control analysis of the call volume.>> My call volume dropped by more than half when my receptionist had to take> leave and-- Graham Chiuhttp://www.synapsedirect.comSynapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

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No, I have a receptionist. That and I can’t get my patient

to go online for IMH. They all “hate computers”. Many

use excuses like “I forgot my glasses, can’t see the screen.”

They complain about pushing “1” to leave a message on the answering

machine. I wish I had more “modern” patients but very few are

willing to do much of anything on line. I think there are 10 who e-mail

me and about 20 who fill out their IMH from home. Not much success there.

Kathy Saradarian, MD

Branchville, NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03, Practicing since 9/90

Practice Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From:

[mailto: ] On Behalf Of Guinn

Sent: Saturday, August 23, 2008 6:39 PM

To:

Subject: Re: tightening up the front and back end

Are you using the online scheduling?

,

I have seen this many times. When

I don’t have a receptionist there are far fewer phone calls. I

don’t have an equal amount of messages on the machine and often

it’s the same patient calling an hour later, “My script isn’t

at the pharmacy yet.” Nonsense. I have not had a receptionist

except for after 4 PM for about 4 months time and every now and then my receptionist

takes time when I am in the office. When I have a receptionist, we have

patients who will call and hang up when they get the machine and immediately

dial again, time and time again until someone answers. Tres

annoying. When I handle the calls myself, I of course, can triage better

getting all the information the first time and usually cut the patient off with

the “I can see you at 3PM” which they don’t argue with,

unlike with the receptionist. However, my patients are much more

satisfied with a talking with a live person and don’t hesitate to tell me

that.

I just don’t know how to keep the

receptionist and reduce the number of phone calls.

Kathy

Saradarian, MD

Branchville,

NJ

www.qualityfamilypractice.com

Solo 4/03,

Practicing since 9/90

Practice

Partner 5/03

Low staffing

From: [mailto: ] On Behalf Of Graham Chiu

Sent: Saturday, August 23,

2008 4:42 PM

To:

Subject: Re:

tightening up the front and back end

Maybe

a form of Parkinson's law

> Having both had and not had a receptionist in the last 2 months, I can

offer

> a case-control analysis of the call volume.

>

> My call volume dropped by more than half when my receptionist had to take

> leave and

--

Graham Chiu

http://www.synapsedirect.com

Synapse - the use from anywhere EMR.

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Well said old chap....

[Practiceimprovemen t1] tightening up the front and back end I am being bombarded by calls now. My MA and I are both on the phone or with patients and I have a answering machine on that picks up while we are busy. I am finding it more difficult to pick up the messages from the machine. Whenever we think we are done, there is another message. I am also finding it more difficult to be able to get to the practice management

stuff...following up on claims, sending bills,etc. My nurse is trying her best but she too is being stuck with referrals and pre-auths from insurance companies, along with the faxing of stuff and pt stuff.I am torn. I am busy enough to warrant a PT recpetionist, but am trying to keep my costs down. Quite honstly all this extra work and phone calls is burning me out and I know my nurse is feeling it too. I deperately need help streamlining things-the "entitlement" attitude of some of the pts is driving me crazy!-- If you are a patient please allow up to 12 hours for a reply by email/please note the new email address.Remember that e-mail may not be entirely secure/ MD ph fax

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