Lyme Disease

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Its not converted to DC its just regular 60 cycle power going through a coil. I

have one of those. found it in a junk store for 25 cents.

V

Re: Lyme Disease

Guptka mentioned that an unnamed person claimed that he used a $25

Radio Shack degausser to relieve back pain. Directions for degaussing say to

use for 5 minutes and let cool for 30 minutes. Basically it is an electro

magnet, don't know whether the current is converted to dc or not.

Dick

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Did you find that it relieves pain?

Dick

Re: Lyme Disease

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> Guptka mentioned that an unnamed person claimed that he used a $25

> Radio Shack degausser to relieve back pain. Directions for degaussing say

> to

> use for 5 minutes and let cool for 30 minutes. Basically it is an electro

> magnet, don't know whether the current is converted to dc or not.

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> Dick

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I dont remeber. I dont have pain very often. next time I do I will try it.

V

Re: Lyme Disease

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> Guptka mentioned that an unnamed person claimed that he used a $25

> Radio Shack degausser to relieve back pain. Directions for degaussing say

> to

> use for 5 minutes and let cool for 30 minutes. Basically it is an electro

> magnet, don't know whether the current is converted to dc or not.

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> Dick

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Please can you offer some methods of binding these toxins so that they can be reabsorbed in the intestines and then excreted. I found your comments very interesting and would like to know how you overcame Lyme disease. Thanks Kelley Putman <kputman@...> wrote:

My sons and I had Lyme disease for several years before it was diagnosedcorrectly so it became deeply entrenched in our bodies.When Lyme bacteria die off they create toxins that increase a person'sdisease symptoms. This is called a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction (or'herxing' for short). These toxins can be potent enough to causeneurological damage.Therefore it is important to have a detox protocol in place while treatingLyme. The toxic lipids in the dead bacteria can be reabsorbed in theintestine so a variety of methods can be used to bind to the lipids so theycan be excreted instead. This will help reduce some of the symptoms causedby the die off.Kelley PutmanIowa City, IA............................................

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For anyone out there using the Rife frequencies, you need to drink a

lot of water before and after sending frequencies. And to start, no

more than one minute treatment per week! People get really sick when

they are dehydrated. if you're going to release a bunch of toxins,

you need a river to take them out of you. is Rotella, M.Ac.

> My sons and I had Lyme disease for several years before it was diagnosed

> correctly so it became deeply entrenched in our bodies.

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> When Lyme bacteria die off they create toxins that increase a person's

> disease symptoms. This is called a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction (or

> 'herxing' for short). These toxins can be potent enough to cause

> neurological damage.

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> Therefore it is important to have a detox protocol in place while

treating

> Lyme. The toxic lipids in the dead bacteria can be reabsorbed in the

> intestine so a variety of methods can be used to bind to the lipids

so they

> can be excreted instead. This will help reduce some of the symptoms

caused

> by the die off.

>

> Kelley Putman

> Iowa City, IA

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I haven't overcome Lyme disease, malaria or amoebas through either traditional or non-traditional means which is why I ordered the SCIO machine.

Cholestyramine (powder) and Welchol (pill) are two prescription meds that bind to lipids in the colon so they can be excreted. Over the counter, one of the items is called chitosan. Beware of any shellfish allergy when using these products because they can be derived from the shells.

Mainstream use is for people who can't get their cholesterol down. They take it before meals to absorb dietary fat. TV commercials tout that you can eat pizza and not gain weight if you take it with meals. I personally take great care with the food and oils that I eat so when I took cholestyramine I took it several hours away from meals so as not to interfere with my nutrient absorption.

The residue of dead Lyme bacteria is both oily and neurotoxic. Many people time their meds to take the lipid-binding product about an hour or two after an antibiotic to absorb the toxic die off. I found that it reduced my Herx symptoms (from the die off) dramatically. I am currently off antibiotics now for a variety of reasons.

Kelley

Re: Lyme Disease

Please can you offer some methods of binding these toxins so that they can be reabsorbed in the intestines and then excreted. I found your comments very interesting and would like to know how you overcame Lyme disease. Thanks Kelley Putman <kputman@...> wrote: My sons and I had Lyme disease for several years before it was diagnosedcorrectly so it became deeply entrenched in our bodies.When Lyme bacteria die off they create toxins that increase a person'sdisease symptoms. This is called a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction (or'herxing' for short). These toxins can be potent enough to causeneurological damage.Therefore it is important to have a detox protocol in place while treatingLyme. The toxic lipids in the dead bacteria can be reabsorbed in theintestine so a variety of methods can be used to bind to the lipids so theycan be excreted instead. This will help reduce some of the symptoms causedby the die off.Kelley PutmanIowa City, IA............................................

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There is an accutone CD for Lymes, Chronic Fatigue, Epstein Barr.

It's $l50 and can be ordered from Dr. Ebert at Tree of Life Attractor

Field Therapy. is Rotella, M.Ac., Arnold, Md.

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> My sons and I had Lyme disease for several years before it was

diagnosed

> correctly so it became deeply entrenched in our bodies.

>

> When Lyme bacteria die off they create toxins that increase a

person's

> disease symptoms. This is called a Jarisch-Herxheimer reaction (or

> 'herxing' for short). These toxins can be potent enough to cause

> neurological damage.

>

> Therefore it is important to have a detox protocol in place

while treating

> Lyme. The toxic lipids in the dead bacteria can be reabsorbed

in the

> intestine so a variety of methods can be used to bind to the

lipids so they

> can be excreted instead. This will help reduce some of the

symptoms caused

> by the die off.

>

> Kelley Putman

> Iowa City, IA

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[Guest guest]

High-powered rife machines have had a better track record against

Lyme disease than smaller microcurrent devices. Read user reports

here:

http://info.lymebook.com/listings.htm

A book about using this technology to fight Lyme disease:

Http://www.lymebook.com

Hope this helps

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> Hello,

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> I am interested in knowing if any board members have had success

> with Lyme Disease. If so, feel free to write me at ddvk@h...

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> Thanks so much,

> Dana

[Guest guest]

>> Does anyone here have experience with this illness? Have you found complete

recovery with antibiotic treatment? <<

This is what happened with me.

I had a tick bite. I pulled the tick off and threw it out the car window.

A few days later I had that damned rash. I also had a swollen knee, which is a

symptom of human Lyme.

I went to the doctor. They did a test, it was positive, they gave me

amoxicillin.

Since we caught it early and I didn't feel that sick, I took a chance and tried

treating it with homeopathy. I went to an MD homeopath who I actually really

disliked, but I think he is very competent. We just clashed, big time. However,

he prescribed a homeopathic remedy, I took it, my symptoms went away, I felt

great, and that was about three years ago and no return of symptoms.

In no way am I discouraging you from using the abx. I'd have used them if the

homeopathy hadn't worked, and I've used them for my dogs who have gotten Lyme

disease. My feeling is that for most people, if Lyme is caught early and treated

aggressively, recovery is complete. For some unfortunate few, it becomes chronic

and debilitating. I think that some of these had undiagnosed or untreated Lyme,

but I also think it's possible that some of them were just especially vulnerable

to it.

I hope you do as well as I did! Good luck!

Christie

Caber Feidh ish Deerhounds

Holistically Raising Our Dogs Since 1986

http://www.caberfeidh.com/

http://www.doggedblog.com/

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Lyme disease is highly controversial and political right now.

I didn't know I had it until 2 weeks ago - having tested positive.

I think you need to get on some Lyme lists to educate yourself. This

isn't the right forum for that.

If you wish to backchannel me, plz do. I will state that 30 days

isn't probably enough. I have been treating for over a year and I

still am treating, tho I have been ill for 30 years.

The sticky thing with Lyme is that it " hides " or goes dormant. Then

one fine day, something happens and it wakes up full blown disease

and you can't find a Dr (LLMD - Lyme Literate MD) and they will only

treat you for a month, and the nightmare begins.

NEVER EVER let them give you any steroids - Lyme loves them.

Check out these groups and any group specific to your area:

infections/messag

es

Lyme/messages

http://www.lymenet.org

lyme-naturalhealthcare/messages

Lyme_Aid_Singles/messages

lymeinfo/messages

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> I was recently diagnosed with lyme disease and have started a four-

week regime of antibiotics. The blood test that confirmed lyme

disease also showed that the infection was a recent one. Does

anyone here have experience with this illness? Have you found

complete recovery with antibiotic treatment? If the condition is

chronic, do you use any alternative treatments, specific dietary

practices? Any tips for restoring balance after antibiotics? Any

info/advice would be most welcome.

> Vivian

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On 9/17/05, J & V Kooken <hobblewood@...> wrote:

> I was recently diagnosed with lyme disease and have started a four-week regime

of antibiotics. The blood test that confirmed lyme disease also showed that the

infection was a recent one. Does anyone here have experience with this illness?

Have you found complete recovery with antibiotic treatment? If the condition is

chronic, do you use any alternative treatments, specific dietary practices? Any

tips for restoring balance after antibiotics? Any info/advice would be most

welcome.

> Vivian

Dr. Ron Schmid has apparently cured himself of Lyme's Disease. You

might want to contact and consult with him.

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Pleasure is a nutrient - Mati Senerchia

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On 9/18/05, Sue <invisigyrl@...> wrote:

> Lyme disease is highly controversial and political right now.

> I didn't know I had it until 2 weeks ago - having tested positive.

> I think you need to get on some Lyme lists to educate yourself. This

> isn't the right forum for that.

> If you wish to backchannel me, plz do. I will state that 30 days

> isn't probably enough. I have been treating for over a year and I

> still am treating, tho I have been ill for 30 years.

> The sticky thing with Lyme is that it " hides " or goes dormant. Then

> one fine day, something happens and it wakes up full blown disease

> and you can't find a Dr (LLMD - Lyme Literate MD) and they will only

> treat you for a month, and the nightmare begins.

> NEVER EVER let them give you any steroids - Lyme loves them.

All hormones or just certain ones? Steroids/Hormones is a pretty big

field, not to mention that your body produces a number of

steroids/hormones on its own.

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Pleasure is a nutrient - Mati Senerchia

[Guest guest]

Vivian

I've had it probably for 20 years; only diagnosed 4 years ago and disabled now

for 11. You don't want to play around with this illness. If you email me

privately I'll answer any questions as best I can.

Phil

Lyme Disease

I was recently diagnosed with lyme disease and have started a four-week regime

of antibiotics. The blood test that confirmed lyme disease also showed that the

infection was a recent one. Does anyone here have experience with this illness?

Have you found complete recovery with antibiotic treatment? If the condition is

chronic, do you use any alternative treatments, specific dietary practices? Any

tips for restoring balance after antibiotics? Any info/advice would be most

welcome.

Vivian

[Guest guest]

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From: " Christie "

In no way am I discouraging you from using the abx. I'd have used them if

the homeopathy hadn't worked, and I've used them for my dogs who have gotten

Lyme disease. My feeling is that for most people, if Lyme is caught early

and treated aggressively, recovery is complete. For some unfortunate few, it

becomes chronic and debilitating. I think that some of these had undiagnosed

or untreated Lyme, but I also think it's possible that some of them were

just especially vulnerable to it.

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Thanks, Christie. I do intend to complete the full 4 weeks of antibiotics,

even though the medicine is tough on my system. I was given doxycycline,

not amoxicillin.

I know I was bitten at least once earlier this summer. My husband found it

on my back, pulled it off and I didn't think that much about it. Never had

a rash, but I did get quite sick with flu-like symptoms earlier this season,

but I can't remember if that was before or after the tick bite. I had

mildly sore hips and at some point noticed that my big toes were numb, but I

thought maybe it was from bending over too much in my work while wearing my

hiking boots, so I just carried on. A few weeks ago, though, I started

noticing other symptoms like loss of balance, then my hips got even more

achy, then my back. A terribly stiff neck is what finally drove me to the

doctor. I'm usually a pretty healthy person, so the thought of dealing with

illness the rest of my life is pretty scary. Since the doctor didn't even

discuss the possibility of the antibiotics not curing the disease, I think I

will have to take on the responsibility of learning what I can about Lyme in

case I need treatment beyond the standard cource of antibiotics.

Vivian

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From: " Sue " <invisigyrl@...>

> Check out these groups and any group specific to your area:

>

> infections/messag

> es

> Lyme/messages

> http://www.lymenet.org

> lyme-naturalhealthcare/messages

> Lyme_Aid_Singles/messages

> lymeinfo/messages

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Thanks for the resources, I will most certainly check them out.

Vivian

[Guest guest]

This is a very good Lyme disease group on Groups....

_lymestrategies_ (lymestrategies/)

924 Members, Archives: _Public_

(lymestrategies/messages)

.. Lyme Strategies forum is dedicated to the ongoing research of practical

approaches to Lyme infection. It is based primarily upon the the Oral

Salt/Vitamin C approach pioneered and described at the Lyme Photos website:

http://www.lymephot. Lyme Strate. Lyme Strategies forum is dedicated to the

ongoing

research of practical approaches to Lyme infection. It is based primarily upon

the the Oral Salt/Vitamin C approach pioneered and described at the Lyme

Photos website: http://www.lymephot<WBR>os.co_more_

(lymestrategies) )

From: Twigfe@...

Subject: Re: Re: bee's story

Bee, thank you for answering those questions.

Today I was talking to an acquaintance who told me both his wife and

daughter (about 7-8 years old) have Lyme disease. Their doctor told them

they might

have to take antibiotics for the rest of their lives. Do you have any

recommendations as to how he can get other reliable information about this?

Thank

you.

[Guest guest]

Hi Bee, you asked me to remind you to look into natural treatments for Lyme

disease. Thank you so much for this.

[Guest guest]

wrote:

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> Hi Bee, you asked me to remind you to look into natural treatments

for Lyme disease. Thank you so much for this.

==>, I studied Lyme disease this morning, and I discovered that

the best natural treatments all point to what I recommend on the

Candida Program, i.e. diet, supplements, and other suggestions that

help your body detoxify, i.e. dry skin brushing, increasing

digestion, lemon & ocean sea salt drink, epsom salt baths, etc.

Vitamin B Complex is particularly important, but is very important

for candida as well. I wouldn't recommend any more than 50 mgs.

twice a day per my article:

Vitamin B Complex (balanced only). Buy one that contains niacin

rather than niacinamide (synthetic), and it should contain all of the

B vitamins (some products are incomplete). Niacin might have to

bought separately, and taken in addition to the vitamin B complex.

Take 50 mgs twice a day, and the same amount of niacin if it is

separate. Of course all supplements should contain no yeast, soy,

wheat, gluten, dairy, sugar, preservatives or additives.

You can't go wrong giving your body the nutrients it requires to heal

naturally!

Bee

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There is a great book that I bought on Amazon.com - it is The Coconut Diet

by Cherie Calbom - it has great info AND many good recipes for people with

Thyroid and insulin resistance. It is probably my favorite book that I have

found to help us with low thyroid issues. Also talks about firomyaglia and

candida!

Charly in Las Vegas

lyme disease

Hi,

If you have been treated with antibiotic and still feel like you need

more because you are still having problems or have been treated

multiple times. Check out the group lyme strategies. They sure

helped me. I feel like for the first time in 20 plus years I am

finally over my lyme.

So now it is taking care of the thyroid and candida.

PegS

[Guest guest]

lyme loves the brain and jawbone.(many parasites can be in the brain) it can be cell wall deficent,abx drive the bugs deeper into the the body and organs. did you check the spine and nerves up to the brain? a lymie- roger no qxciseguenow <jkharper@...> wrote: While working with a client who supposedly has Lyme Disease, in the FIRST screen in homotoxicology, I selected the line with "brain" in it and then in the search box

below typed "brain" to further focus the search. On SECOND homotoxicology screen, the highest number in any of three columns (Xenobiotics, Isodes, Nosodes) was protozoa. To my knowledge protozoa are too large to cross the blood brain barrier. Because the bacteria evolves into a spirochete, does anyone know if the SCIO has been "programmed" to identify Lyme as a protozoa? This could explain the rresults of my search.Thanks so much, in advance, for any information.Jane Harper, Vancouver, Canada

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Jane,

You may be picking up on a co-infection of Lyme called Babesia,

which is a protozoa. You may want to check reactivity to Malaria

which is the closest thing to Babesia on the machine. It would be

nice to have it specifically listed in the matrix. Hope that helps.

>

> While working with a client who supposedly has Lyme Disease, in

the

> FIRST screen in homotoxicology, I selected the line with " brain "

in it

> and then in the search box below typed " brain " to further focus

the

> search. On SECOND homotoxicology screen, the highest number in

any of

> three columns (Xenobiotics, Isodes, Nosodes) was protozoa. To my

> knowledge protozoa are too large to cross the blood brain

barrier.

>

> Because the bacteria evolves into a spirochete, does anyone know

if the

> SCIO has been " programmed " to identify Lyme as a protozoa? This

could

> explain the rresults of my search.

>

> Thanks so much, in advance, for any information.

> Jane Harper, Vancouver, Canada

>

[Guest guest]

You can run the rife frequencies for Lyme and Babesia which I once

listed on this site. You can use the search engine or google the

frequencies. We often forget that the QX has this capability.

is Rotella, M.Ac., CNC

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> > While working with a client who supposedly has Lyme Disease, in

> the

> > FIRST screen in homotoxicology, I selected the line with " brain "

> in it

> > and then in the search box below typed " brain " to further focus

> the

> > search. On SECOND homotoxicology screen, the highest number in

> any of

> > three columns (Xenobiotics, Isodes, Nosodes) was protozoa. To my

> > knowledge protozoa are too large to cross the blood brain

> barrier.

> >

> > Because the bacteria evolves into a spirochete, does anyone know

> if the

> > SCIO has been " programmed " to identify Lyme as a protozoa? This

> could

> > explain the rresults of my search.

> >

> > Thanks so much, in advance, for any information.

> > Jane Harper, Vancouver, Canada

> >

>

[Guest guest]

Don't forget about chain reactions. If the frequency for protozoa, caused the body to weaken and the defenses to decrease then the spirochete stands a better chance of getting a good hold.

Yours in Health,

Kathy

Lyme Disease

While working with a client who supposedly has Lyme Disease, in the FIRST screen in homotoxicology, I selected the line with "brain" in it and then in the search box below typed "brain" to further focus the search. On SECOND homotoxicology screen, the highest number in any of three columns (Xenobiotics, Isodes, Nosodes) was protozoa. To my knowledge protozoa are too large to cross the blood brain barrier. Because the bacteria evolves into a spirochete, does anyone know if the SCIO has been "programmed" to identify Lyme as a protozoa? This could explain the rresults of my search.Thanks so much, in advance, for any information.Jane Harper, Vancouver, Canada

[Guest guest]

Hello Jane,

Malaria is the common vector-born protozoa associated with Lyme (so

is Giardia). Since there is no matrix item # for Babesia or

Babesiosis, which is a major co-infection for over two thirds of

those with LD- use 1994,5801,3818 to search for Malaria. A few

remedies are 7284,6283, 7672.

I am teaching a full day Lyme protocol in San Ca 10/7, Spokane

10/16 and Saint sburg FL on 10/21 (see announcement on this

list). Please contact me if you are interested or would like to be

informed when I schedule in your area.

Hope this helps!

Warm Regards,

Lori Marcus LM@... 530-546-5919

> While working with a client who supposedly has Lyme

Disease, in the

> FIRST screen in homotoxicology, I selected the line with " brain "

in it

> and then in the search box below typed " brain " to further focus

the

> search. On SECOND homotoxicology screen, the highest number in any

of

> three columns (Xenobiotics, Isodes, Nosodes) was protozoa. To my

> knowledge protozoa are too large to cross the blood brain barrier.

>

> Because the bacteria evolves into a spirochete, does anyone know

if the

> SCIO has been " programmed " to identify Lyme as a protozoa? This

could

> explain the rresults of my search.

>

> Thanks so much, in advance, for any information.

> Jane Harper, Vancouver, Canada

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Sue-

Hi, You are very lucky that you had a doctor that knew about fungal

overgrowth.

My doctor--when I was diagnosed with lyme....kept giving me antibiotics.

Then,

when I had the symptoms of lyme--which were actually candida --- he kept

giving me

more antibiotics. He said it was atypical, but more should " knock it

out " .....

at one time I was on antibiotics 3 times a day for 70 days! My body was in so

much pain.....and I slept A LOT. yup---you all know what happens then,

right???????

Oh thank God that is behind me!!!!! (thanks bee !!!)

Debra

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