3rd Day of MMS - Flutters UNDER Liver

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I can tell you are very sick because of your horrible attitude. Perhaps the

person meant to help you? Possibly? You did ask for help?

Now that I have said that, have YOU considered herbal wormers? There are

many on the market. I can't recommend one but perhaps someone else might

want to weigh in. Or, google might help.

As one side story about liver flukes. I was going to buy a goat but she

suddenly got sick and no matter what the vet tried to do for her, she kept

going down, until she died. Autopsy showed liver flukes. There is a wormer

for liver flukes but it is said to be rather hard on the animal. Think it

is Ivomec Plus. However, death is hard too.

Jean

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>

>

>>

>> Hey Monkeyron,

>>

>> Check it out... I'm FIFTY-FOUR. Not a child. Not your child. YES, I am

>> GUESSING. That is all that is left for me to do since the medical community

>> has let me down FOUR times. LIVER FLUKES do not show up in one's stool. And

>> seldom do tapeworms as they are DIGESTED once they die and appear as normal

>> fecal matter in the toilet.

>>

>> Your LIVER DETOX recipe is not on my agenda. APPLE JUICE will only FEED the

>> Candida, so NO. Then you say to take enough Epsom Salt to give a full grown

>> ELEPHANT the shitz, so NO. I am eating only about a cup of SOUP daily.

>> Anything more solid HURTS my stomach, doesn't get digested and takes 3-4 days

>> to come of me. I've read many recipes online and they all seem to follow this

>> general path. I will stick with the MMS for now, as it seems to be clearing

>> the way. When I feel a bit stronger, I will consider a Liver Cleanse. I have

>> only enough strength to get from the computer to the bathroom.

>>

>> I was LOOKING for a response from someone that has been through a de-worming

>> procedure. Someone that has first hand knowledge about what it FEELS like to

>> have a tapeworm. I am NOT getting any nourishment at present, MAL-ABSORPTION.

>> I am taking a sub-lingual B Complex to help.

>>

>> I was under the impression that we are all here to HELP one another??? To

>> share insight, bolster one's dwindling spirits. But I got YOU.... and YOU

>> appear to work at my local hospital by talking DOWN to me, scoffing at my

>> suggestions, telling me what to do and how to do it, MOCKING me... when

>> actually you haven't answered a single question that I posed. I assume that

>> you simply like to read your own useless information.

>>

>> The saying is NOT " TWO BITS " . That would be a QUARTER. And THAT is MY two

>> cents.

>>

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[Guest guest]

I am a very direct person that doesn't mince words... hence the moniker

dammit-debbie. He did not offer help. He completely blew off what I was saying &

typed in his own agenda. That was not help. I don't know what that was. Still

looking for someone with knowledge on flukes, worms, etc. I will be genuinely

appreciative of genuine help. Thank you, DeB.

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M~R Reply-

I did offer you help, it was just not what you liked to hear. I suggested a

Liver Cleanse because if you are having a High Viral/Pathogen Count, you could

end up worse as the Die Off may over load your system.

You only want what you asked for and nothing else. This maybe why the

Professionals before US had to redirect you elsewhere.

I was not trying to be insensitive, I have my Daughter that has created so many

Illnesses, that just recently she had her Driver License suspended for 6 months

because the Doctor thought she was having seizures. All due to Job stress and

not eating. EEG & EKG Normal. She fainted at work. This is just recent. The 14

other problems before this in 2 years was just a bit much.

This is the MMS forum. You may need to go to another COLLECTION of Forums to

find your Answers. Your Symptoms are far worse than a Tape worm or " Brain

Worms " . I would go post your Problem on a Health Profession Forum and they may

point you to a closer Diagnosis. There are a few Professionals here but I would

hope they may be to help.

To Berate people that offer help will get you nowhere.

True I never had gone through this Type of Problem, but, I did go through 3

years of Allergies that would swell my Eyes & Nose Shut, Hands and feet swell to

almost Bursting point. Unable to walk. Hives cover every inch of my body. I

spent a Week in the Isolation Ward to see if that would work. I didn't. I Had

UCLA Medical Staff Give up on me after 2 years of Testing with 30 Doctors and

Med Students (1500 scratch Test)and the Cause was Undetermined. That was a

Horrific 3 years of my Life. One Day it was just GONE!

Sorry I made a Suggestion. Now see if any others will.

M~R

> >

> > Hey Monkeyron,

> >

> > Check it out... I'm FIFTY-FOUR. Not a child. Not your child. YES, I am

GUESSING. That is all that is left for me to do since the medical community has

let me down FOUR times. LIVER FLUKES do not show up in one's stool. And seldom

do tapeworms as they are DIGESTED once they die and appear as normal fecal

matter in the toilet.

> >

> > Your LIVER DETOX recipe is not on my agenda. APPLE JUICE will only FEED the

Candida, so NO. Then you say to take enough Epsom Salt to give a full grown

ELEPHANT the shitz, so NO. I am eating only about a cup of SOUP daily. Anything

more solid HURTS my stomach, doesn't get digested and takes 3-4 days to come of

me. I've read many recipes online and they all seem to follow this general path.

I will stick with the MMS for now, as it seems to be clearing the way. When I

feel a bit stronger, I will consider a Liver Cleanse. I have only enough

strength to get from the computer to the bathroom.

> >

> > I was LOOKING for a response from someone that has been through a de-worming

procedure. Someone that has first hand knowledge about what it FEELS like to

have a tapeworm. I am NOT getting any nourishment at present, MAL-ABSORPTION. I

am taking a sub-lingual B Complex to help.

> >

> > I was under the impression that we are all here to HELP one another??? To

share insight, bolster one's dwindling spirits. But I got YOU.... and YOU appear

to work at my local hospital by talking DOWN to me, scoffing at my suggestions,

telling me what to do and how to do it, MOCKING me... when actually you haven't

answered a single question that I posed. I assume that you simply like to read

your own useless information.

> >

> > The saying is NOT " TWO BITS " . That would be a QUARTER. And THAT is MY two

cents.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

THANK YOU!!!! Some useful info to ponder. I shall Google herbal wormers in a

moment. Hadn't even thought of them. I've had so much blood taken out of me, so

many tests run, so many doctors, so many hospitals... in the end they look over

their glasses at me like I'm inventing this for drama. I saw all the tests. I,

too, must say that when one looks at the paperwork, there should be a healthy

person sitting next to it.

But when one puts down the paperwork & looks at ME, one sees a very ill lady. I

am very weak, muscle fatigue, jaundice eyes, huge swollen lymph node on my neck,

distended abdomen (54 inches tonight), heart pounding, auditory fluctuations,

constipation with bouts of extreme diarrhea, gushing boils in the warm areas of

my body, slimy coated tongue, hair falling out, eyebrows already fell out,

insomnia, lumpy ridged paper thin fingernails, horridly hard heels that itch and

burn... it just goes on & on...

They just aren't running the correct tests and none of them have a clue which

that would be. I am then instructed to get a physician or a shrink. Easier said

than done when you have no money.

I am an opinionated, hard-headed woman blessed with common sense. I have thought

of everything I can think of. Now... I am afraid and I grow more frail each

passing day. So forgive my abrupt attitude. I am a shell of my former self.

Bless anyone that can offer guidance.

SINCERELY,

Dammit Debbie

> >>

> >> Hey Monkeyron,

> >>

> >> Check it out... I'm FIFTY-FOUR. Not a child. Not your child. YES, I am

> >> GUESSING. That is all that is left for me to do since the medical community

> >> has let me down FOUR times. LIVER FLUKES do not show up in one's stool. And

> >> seldom do tapeworms as they are DIGESTED once they die and appear as normal

> >> fecal matter in the toilet.

> >>

> >> Your LIVER DETOX recipe is not on my agenda. APPLE JUICE will only FEED the

> >> Candida, so NO. Then you say to take enough Epsom Salt to give a full grown

> >> ELEPHANT the shitz, so NO. I am eating only about a cup of SOUP daily.

> >> Anything more solid HURTS my stomach, doesn't get digested and takes 3-4

days

> >> to come of me. I've read many recipes online and they all seem to follow

this

> >> general path. I will stick with the MMS for now, as it seems to be clearing

> >> the way. When I feel a bit stronger, I will consider a Liver Cleanse. I

have

> >> only enough strength to get from the computer to the bathroom.

> >>

> >> I was LOOKING for a response from someone that has been through a

de-worming

> >> procedure. Someone that has first hand knowledge about what it FEELS like

to

> >> have a tapeworm. I am NOT getting any nourishment at present,

MAL-ABSORPTION.

> >> I am taking a sub-lingual B Complex to help.

> >>

> >> I was under the impression that we are all here to HELP one another??? To

> >> share insight, bolster one's dwindling spirits. But I got YOU.... and YOU

> >> appear to work at my local hospital by talking DOWN to me, scoffing at my

> >> suggestions, telling me what to do and how to do it, MOCKING me... when

> >> actually you haven't answered a single question that I posed. I assume that

> >> you simply like to read your own useless information.

> >>

> >> The saying is NOT " TWO BITS " . That would be a QUARTER. And THAT is MY two

> >> cents.

> >>

> >

> >

> >

> >

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> >

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[Guest guest]

I can relate to what you are going through. I too felt very alone in my health journey. Here are somesuggestions...1) Use the MMS in bath water. I did this 2 times a day and within one week felt sooooo much better.I started with 10 drops and now up to 50 drops 2x a day. The toxins, parasites, etc. like to live in our fattissues just under the skin. Don't stop taking MMS by mouth....do both. 2) Check out www.bodyecologydiet.com (Donna Gates) she is an expert on healing the 'gut'.She was very sick at one time with Candida, parasites etc and how looks fabulous. 75% ofour immune

systems resides in the gut so it's very important to work on healing this part ofour body. She also has video's on youtube.3) To get your energy up quickly you may want to juice green leafy vegetables. If you don't havea juicer go on craigslist and you may find one cheap. It's very important to get nutrition intoyour body and this is the quickest way to do it. Cooked foods lack enzymes, and this is veryimportant for digestion.3) Take digestive enzymes lot's of them expecially enzymes that digest proteins. They canbe expensive but very important to good health. Blessings,From: dammit.debbie <dammit.debbie@...> Sent: Tue, February 22, 2011 9:55:57 PMSubject: [ ] 3rd Day of MMS - Flutters UNDER Liver

HELLO, my first ever posting to a group. I've read so much helpful info at this group, but I am not finding anything posted that is similar to what I'm experiencing. I am a NEWBIE & only dosing at 2 drops every hour 6 times daily. I plan on starting 3 drops tomorrow, my 4th day.I have a bucket full of symptoms, no diagnosis. Not for want of trying. My ER vitals keep coming back NORMAL, when I am OBVIOUSLY very ill. FOUR visits this year. NOW they think I'm a hypochondriac & pretty much mock me... so I given up on them as they have me. STINKS, but that's life.I initially thought I had hypothyroidism due to facial changes, hair loss, bloating, constipation, muscle fatigue, etc. Extensive tests came back NORMAL, 4 times. Then I thought it might be Candida overgrowth. Similar symptoms. Changed diet drastically. Took 3Lac Probiotics. Didn't feel any different. Ordered MMS from eBay.I "thought" I was dying. At times, I still do.

I am only 54 & gone from healthy & vibrant to one foot in the grave & the other on a banana peel --- in ONE year's time. I've been unable to work due to extreme weakness & brain fog, etc. So, we are broke. Thankful to find MMS for only $14. Did ONE drop 6 times throughout day ONE & TWO. Today was 2 drops. Close to the end of all 3 days, I feel what can only be described as a FLUTTER under my liver. 10-15 minutes, then it goes away.I had HEP.B in 1977, so I know where my liver is... thinking it might be stones or flukes??? Also when I lie on either side to attempt sleep, I feel SOMETHING moving inside me. Not normal gut movements or gas. Also the flutters under the liver resume.For the past 10 days, my bowels have been crazy non-productive. I was passing identifiable undigested food, when I could go. Started shredding veggies & cooking them to a mushy state. Eating very little now. Food hurts in my tummy. Gone from

224# to 189# in one month. This can't continue much longer.Last night & tonight, I had a few explosive episodes of a liquid that I would describe as BILE??? Yellowish-orange-brown liquid, not much odor to it. Not much volume either. Just has to come out of me & won't wait. Thankful to be home!!!My thoughts are WORMS & /or FLUKES, maybe several types??? The moving below my diaphragm seems to be active shortly after eating anything. The flutters never happened before MMS. I've read that one can buy the DOG WORMER, Praziquantel OTC. Same as what Dr's prescribed for a fraction of the cost, under $10. Found dosage online: 25mg p.o. t.i.d.(3x daily) for 2 days. Says it works on Flukes & Tapeworms.The part that spooks me is the warning about worms in your BRAIN and how some seriously bad results can happen. Or else I'd have already done this. Don't think I have any of those symptoms... but one never knows.Does

anyone have any experience with WORMS & /or FLUKES??? HELP please. I am so tired of sick & tired. It has just about done me in and no one believes that I am sick. Feeling very alone.------------------------------------

[Guest guest]

while I agree that Debs reaction was overboard, monkeyron has clearly

never gone through the same rollarcoaster of allopathic guessing that a

chronic patient has to endure. Guessing is all one has when they have

to do the job that doctors don't or can't. He was insensitive to say

such a thing and I can see where it can be perceived as demeaning.

medusa

On 02/23/2011 01:09 PM, Monkeyron wrote:

> OK,

> You seem to be Guessing at this Point. My 22 yo Daughter does the Same thing

always. Stop!

> Worms? Did you see them in the BM?

> Worms in the Brain?

> OK, Stop again.<snip>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>> HELLO, my first ever posting to a group. I've read so much helpful info at

this group, but I am not finding anything posted that is similar to what I'm

experiencing. I am a NEWBIE & only dosing at 2 drops every hour 6 times daily. I

plan on starting 3 drops tomorrow, my 4th day.<snip> Does anyone have any

experience with WORMS & /or FLUKES??? HELP please. I am so tired of sick & tired.

It has just about done me in and no one believes that I am sick. Feeling very

alone.

>>

>

[Guest guest]

If you feel you may have parasites..there are some things that have

helped me. after being given a diagnosis of fibromyalgia I have

discovered that i have beacoup parasites. I first discovered it by

accident when used my zapper. After I saw the results I continued with

rifing ( which I already had ) and got some more out as well as an

oxygen product. Results of some of what I've gotten out are posted on

www.curezone.com. Go to images, then click on parasites, then

WINTERWHSPR. You will see some of what i got out and how it came out. I

continue to deal with microscopic worms and am now experimenting with

ozone. My symptoms were sever diffuse pain, liver area pains ( very

sever- and yes I did liver flushes that produced about a total of 16

ounces of stones and chaff),

developed diabetes, weight gain despite all these critters, circulatory

problems, brain fog, lots of head distresses, nodules under the skin (

still haven't licked that one yet) ,edema,increased abdomen ,urinary

problems, ( had both E.COLI infection and worms) and more subtle

distresses that afflict many chronic sufferers. Let me say that I went

to a parasitologist at Washington University Hospital and after

being presented a disk of some of my results..declared it all food

residue and left the office and me high and dry. Lab tests are commonly

negative in parasitology unless its done with multiple samples ( if they

are done at all as they don't expect local American to have parasites.

It is a slow road to wellness but it can be done and has to be done

gently when one is at the physical state Deb and others are.

medusa

On 02/24/2011 01:35 AM, DeB Sorell wrote:

> THANK YOU!!!! Some useful info to ponder. I shall Google herbal wormers in a

moment. Hadn't even thought of them. I've had so much blood taken out of me, so

many tests run, so many doctors, so many hospitals... in the end they look over

their glasses at me like I'm inventing this for drama. I saw all the tests. I,

too, must say that when one looks at the paperwork, there should be a healthy

person sitting next to it.

>

> But when one puts down the paperwork & looks at ME, one sees a very ill lady.

I am very weak, muscle fatigue, jaundice eyes, huge swollen lymph node on my

neck, distended abdomen (54 inches tonight), heart pounding, auditory

fluctuations, constipation with bouts of extreme diarrhea, gushing boils in the

warm areas of my body, slimy coated tongue, hair falling out, eyebrows already

fell out, insomnia, lumpy ridged paper thin fingernails, horridly hard heels

that itch and burn... it just goes on & on...

>

> They just aren't running the correct tests and none of them have a clue which

that would be. I am then instructed to get a physician or a shrink. Easier said

than done when you have no money.

>

> I am an opinionated, hard-headed woman blessed with common sense. I have

thought of everything I can think of. Now... I am afraid and I grow more frail

each passing day. So forgive my abrupt attitude. I am a shell of my former self.

>

> Bless anyone that can offer guidance.

>

> SINCERELY,

>

> Dammit Debbie

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>>> Hey Monkeyron,

>>>>

>>>> Check it out... I'm FIFTY-FOUR. Not a child. Not your child. YES, I am

>>>> GUESSING. That is all that is left for me to do since the medical community

>>>> has let me down FOUR times. LIVER FLUKES do not show up in one's stool. And

>>>> seldom do tapeworms as they are DIGESTED once they die and appear as normal

>>>> fecal matter in the toilet.

>>>>

>>>> Your LIVER DETOX recipe is not on my agenda. APPLE JUICE will only FEED the

>>>> Candida, so NO. Then you say to take enough Epsom Salt to give a full grown

>>>> ELEPHANT the shitz, so NO. I am eating only about a cup of SOUP daily.

>>>> Anything more solid HURTS my stomach, doesn't get digested and takes 3-4

days

>>>> to come of me. I've read many recipes online and they all seem to follow

this

>>>> general path. I will stick with the MMS for now, as it seems to be clearing

>>>> the way. When I feel a bit stronger, I will consider a Liver Cleanse. I

have

>>>> only enough strength to get from the computer to the bathroom.

>>>>

>>>> I was LOOKING for a response from someone that has been through a

de-worming

>>>> procedure. Someone that has first hand knowledge about what it FEELS like

to

>>>> have a tapeworm. I am NOT getting any nourishment at present,

MAL-ABSORPTION.

>>>> I am taking a sub-lingual B Complex to help.

>>>>

>>>> I was under the impression that we are all here to HELP one another??? To

>>>> share insight, bolster one's dwindling spirits. But I got YOU.... and YOU

>>>> appear to work at my local hospital by talking DOWN to me, scoffing at my

>>>> suggestions, telling me what to do and how to do it, MOCKING me... when

>>>> actually you haven't answered a single question that I posed. I assume that

>>>> you simply like to read your own useless information.

>>>>

>>>> The saying is NOT " TWO BITS " . That would be a QUARTER. And THAT is MY two

>>>> cents.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

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>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

By any chance do you live near the Gulf of Mexico or even visited ? You say this

ill health has happened recently? BP used some bacteria in their cleanup that

causes some of these symptoms you are manifesting as well as that Corexit

chemical thats highly toxic.I understand there are ways to detox from the

chemicals , but the bacteria is like MRSAs.Look up Blue flu on google .

IN TX

>

> HELLO, my first ever posting to a group. I've read so much helpful info at

this group, but I am not finding anything posted that is similar to what I'm

experiencing. I am a NEWBIE & only dosing at 2 drops every hour 6 times daily. I

plan on starting 3 drops tomorrow, my 4th day.

>

> I have a bucket full of symptoms, no diagnosis. Not for want of trying. My ER

vitals keep coming back NORMAL, when I am OBVIOUSLY very ill. FOUR visits this

year. NOW they think I'm a hypochondriac & pretty much mock me... so I given up

on them as they have me. STINKS, but that's life.

>

> I initially thought I had hypothyroidism due to facial changes, hair loss,

bloating, constipation, muscle fatigue, etc. Extensive tests came back NORMAL, 4

times. Then I thought it might be Candida overgrowth. Similar symptoms. Changed

diet drastically. Took 3Lac Probiotics. Didn't feel any different. Ordered MMS

from eBay.

>

> I " thought " I was dying. At times, I still do. I am only 54 & gone from

healthy & vibrant to one foot in the grave & the other on a banana peel --- in

ONE year's time. I've been unable to work due to extreme weakness & brain fog,

etc. So, we are broke. Thankful to find MMS for only $14. Did ONE drop 6 times

throughout day ONE & TWO. Today was 2 drops. Close to the end of all 3 days, I

feel what can only be described as a FLUTTER under my liver. 10-15 minutes, then

it goes away.

>

> I had HEP.B in 1977, so I know where my liver is... thinking it might be

stones or flukes??? Also when I lie on either side to attempt sleep, I feel

SOMETHING moving inside me. Not normal gut movements or gas. Also the flutters

under the liver resume.

>

> For the past 10 days, my bowels have been crazy non-productive. I was passing

identifiable undigested food, when I could go. Started shredding veggies &

cooking them to a mushy state. Eating very little now. Food hurts in my tummy.

Gone from 224# to 189# in one month. This can't continue much longer.

>

> Last night & tonight, I had a few explosive episodes of a liquid that I would

describe as BILE??? Yellowish-orange-brown liquid, not much odor to it. Not much

volume either. Just has to come out of me & won't wait. Thankful to be home!!!

>

> My thoughts are WORMS & /or FLUKES, maybe several types??? The moving below my

diaphragm seems to be active shortly after eating anything. The flutters never

happened before MMS. I've read that one can buy the DOG WORMER, Praziquantel

OTC. Same as what Dr's prescribed for a fraction of the cost, under $10. Found

dosage online: 25mg p.o. t.i.d.(3x daily) for 2 days. Says it works on Flukes &

Tapeworms.

>

> The part that spooks me is the warning about worms in your BRAIN and how some

seriously bad results can happen. Or else I'd have already done this. Don't

think I have any of those symptoms... but one never knows.

>

> Does anyone have any experience with WORMS & /or FLUKES??? HELP please. I am so

tired of sick & tired. It has just about done me in and no one believes that I

am sick. Feeling very alone.

>

[Guest guest]

Medusa,

Have you tried the complete Bob Beck Protocol?

I thought this was having good results in the way of Eliminating

Parasites?

Just wondering?

M~R

On 2/24/2011 6:18 AM, medusa569 wrote:

If you feel you may have parasites..there are some things

that have

helped me. after being given a diagnosis of fibromyalgia I

have

discovered that i have beacoup parasites. I first

discovered it by

accident when used my zapper. After I saw the results I

continued with

rifing ( which I already had ) and got some more out as

well as an

oxygen product. Results of some of what I've gotten out

are posted on

www.curezone.com. Go to images, then click on parasites,

then

WINTERWHSPR. You will see some of what i got out and how

it came out. I

continue to deal with microscopic worms and am now

experimenting with

ozone. My symptoms were sever diffuse pain, liver area

pains ( very

sever- and yes I did liver flushes that produced about a

total of 16

ounces of stones and chaff),

developed diabetes, weight gain despite all these

critters, circulatory

problems, brain fog, lots of head distresses, nodules

under the skin (

still haven't licked that one yet) ,edema,increased

abdomen ,urinary

problems, ( had both E.COLI infection and worms) and more

subtle

distresses that afflict many chronic sufferers. Let me say

that I went

to a parasitologist at Washington University

Hospital and after

being presented a disk of some of my results..declared it

all food

residue and left the office and me high and dry. Lab tests

are commonly

negative in parasitology unless its done with multiple

samples ( if they

are done at all as they don't expect local American to

have parasites.

It is a slow road to wellness but it can be done and has

to be done

gently when one is at the physical state Deb and others

are.

medusa

On 02/24/2011 01:35 AM, DeB Sorell wrote:

> THANK YOU!!!! Some useful info to ponder. I shall

Google herbal wormers in a moment. Hadn't even thought of

them. I've had so much blood taken out of me, so many

tests run, so many doctors, so many hospitals... in the

end they look over their glasses at me like I'm inventing

this for drama. I saw all the tests. I, too, must say that

when one looks at the paperwork, there should be a healthy

person sitting next to it.

>

> But when one puts down the paperwork & looks at

ME, one sees a very ill lady. I am very weak, muscle

fatigue, jaundice eyes, huge swollen lymph node on my

neck, distended abdomen (54 inches tonight), heart

pounding, auditory fluctuations, constipation with bouts

of extreme diarrhea, gushing boils in the warm areas of my

body, slimy coated tongue, hair falling out, eyebrows

already fell out, insomnia, lumpy ridged paper thin

fingernails, horridly hard heels that itch and burn... it

just goes on & on...

>

> They just aren't running the correct tests and none

of them have a clue which that would be. I am then

instructed to get a physician or a shrink. Easier said

than done when you have no money.

>

> I am an opinionated, hard-headed woman blessed with

common sense. I have thought of everything I can think of.

Now... I am afraid and I grow more frail each passing day.

So forgive my abrupt attitude. I am a shell of my former

self.

>

> Bless anyone that can offer guidance.

>

> SINCERELY,

>

> Dammit Debbie

>

>

>

>

>>>

>>>> Hey Monkeyron,

>>>>

>>>> Check it out... I'm FIFTY-FOUR. Not a

child. Not your child. YES, I am

>>>> GUESSING. That is all that is left for me

to do since the medical community

>>>> has let me down FOUR times. LIVER FLUKES

do not show up in one's stool. And

>>>> seldom do tapeworms as they are DIGESTED

once they die and appear as normal

>>>> fecal matter in the toilet.

>>>>

>>>> Your LIVER DETOX recipe is not on my

agenda. APPLE JUICE will only FEED the

>>>> Candida, so NO. Then you say to take

enough Epsom Salt to give a full grown

>>>> ELEPHANT the shitz, so NO. I am eating

only about a cup of SOUP daily.

>>>> Anything more solid HURTS my stomach,

doesn't get digested and takes 3-4 days

>>>> to come of me. I've read many recipes

online and they all seem to follow this

>>>> general path. I will stick with the MMS

for now, as it seems to be clearing

>>>> the way. When I feel a bit stronger, I

will consider a Liver Cleanse. I have

>>>> only enough strength to get from the

computer to the bathroom.

>>>>

>>>> I was LOOKING for a response from someone

that has been through a de-worming

>>>> procedure. Someone that has first hand

knowledge about what it FEELS like to

>>>> have a tapeworm. I am NOT getting any

nourishment at present, MAL-ABSORPTION.

>>>> I am taking a sub-lingual B Complex to

help.

>>>>

>>>> I was under the impression that we are

all here to HELP one another??? To

>>>> share insight, bolster one's dwindling

spirits. But I got YOU.... and YOU

>>>> appear to work at my local hospital by

talking DOWN to me, scoffing at my

>>>> suggestions, telling me what to do and

how to do it, MOCKING me... when

>>>> actually you haven't answered a single

question that I posed. I assume that

>>>> you simply like to read your own useless

information.

>>>>

>>>> The saying is NOT "TWO BITS". That would

be a QUARTER. And THAT is MY two

>>>> cents.

>>>>

>>>>

>>>

>>>

>>>

>>> ------------------------------------

>>>

>>>

>>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Good luck with THAT attitude...

Chuck

All ish food is based on a dare.

On 2/24/2011 1:16:12 AM, DeB Sorell (dammit.debbie@...) wrote:

> I am a very direct person that

> doesn't mince words... hence the moniker dammit-debbie. He did not offer help.

He completely blew off what I was saying & typed in his own agenda. That was not

help. I don't

> know what that was. Still looking for someone with knowledge on flukes,

> worms, etc. I will be genuinely appreciative of genuine help. Thank you,

> DeB.

> ---------------------------------------------------

> M~R Reply-

>

> I did offer you help, it was just not what you liked to hear. I suggested

> a Liver

[Guest guest]

No, but thank you.

> >

> > HELLO, my first ever posting to a group. I've read so much helpful info at

this group, but I am not finding anything posted that is similar to what I'm

experiencing. I am a NEWBIE & only dosing at 2 drops every hour 6 times daily. I

plan on starting 3 drops tomorrow, my 4th day.

> >

> > I have a bucket full of symptoms, no diagnosis. Not for want of trying. My

ER vitals keep coming back NORMAL, when I am OBVIOUSLY very ill. FOUR visits

this year. NOW they think I'm a hypochondriac & pretty much mock me... so I

given up on them as they have me. STINKS, but that's life.

> >

> > I initially thought I had hypothyroidism due to facial changes, hair loss,

bloating, constipation, muscle fatigue, etc. Extensive tests came back NORMAL, 4

times. Then I thought it might be Candida overgrowth. Similar symptoms. Changed

diet drastically. Took 3Lac Probiotics. Didn't feel any different. Ordered MMS

from eBay.

> >

> > I " thought " I was dying. At times, I still do. I am only 54 & gone from

healthy & vibrant to one foot in the grave & the other on a banana peel --- in

ONE year's time. I've been unable to work due to extreme weakness & brain fog,

etc. So, we are broke. Thankful to find MMS for only $14. Did ONE drop 6 times

throughout day ONE & TWO. Today was 2 drops. Close to the end of all 3 days, I

feel what can only be described as a FLUTTER under my liver. 10-15 minutes, then

it goes away.

> >

> > I had HEP.B in 1977, so I know where my liver is... thinking it might be

stones or flukes??? Also when I lie on either side to attempt sleep, I feel

SOMETHING moving inside me. Not normal gut movements or gas. Also the flutters

under the liver resume.

> >

> > For the past 10 days, my bowels have been crazy non-productive. I was

passing identifiable undigested food, when I could go. Started shredding veggies

& cooking them to a mushy state. Eating very little now. Food hurts in my tummy.

Gone from 224# to 189# in one month. This can't continue much longer.

> >

> > Last night & tonight, I had a few explosive episodes of a liquid that I

would describe as BILE??? Yellowish-orange-brown liquid, not much odor to it.

Not much volume either. Just has to come out of me & won't wait. Thankful to be

home!!!

> >

> > My thoughts are WORMS & /or FLUKES, maybe several types??? The moving below

my diaphragm seems to be active shortly after eating anything. The flutters

never happened before MMS. I've read that one can buy the DOG WORMER,

Praziquantel OTC. Same as what Dr's prescribed for a fraction of the cost, under

$10. Found dosage online: 25mg p.o. t.i.d.(3x daily) for 2 days. Says it works

on Flukes & Tapeworms.

> >

> > The part that spooks me is the warning about worms in your BRAIN and how

some seriously bad results can happen. Or else I'd have already done this. Don't

think I have any of those symptoms... but one never knows.

> >

> > Does anyone have any experience with WORMS & /or FLUKES??? HELP please. I am

so tired of sick & tired. It has just about done me in and no one believes that

I am sick. Feeling very alone.

> >

>

[Guest guest]

For one of the few times in this old broad's life.... I am dang near speechless!

Looked at your pics at curezone. ALL of those things were INSIDE of you??? OH

MY, oh my, oh my... I don't know what to say.

Are you still SUFFERING from these? How do you feel now? Do my symptoms sound

like anything you went through? I forgot to mention that I had swollen feet for

90 days, too large to wear shoes... then one day, POOF, they're normal. But then

" I " got physically sicker.

Wow... still stunned at your pics. This is what I was looking for in regard to

HELP. I've never been EASY, not at anything I've ever done. Wish it weren't so,

but it's my life... so of course, when I finally do get sick... it's something

the Doctors are baffled by. Makes so much sense when one looks at your pics. Oh

my...

We lived a country life for many years. Killed deer & wild pig, made smoked

sausage & jerky. Also ate tons of smoked salmon from our Alaska trip. Reading

that SMOKING does not kill parasites. This might explain a lot. Grappling to

make SENSE out of my life, health, etc.

On one of the slides you mentioned OXY-POWDER Colon cleanse. This would be

something I can afford off of eBay. Do you recommend it as a STARTING place??? I

realize it is not a LIVER CLEANSE, but I feel I must do something EXTRA... other

than just the MMS drops. Never thought my life would revolve around my POOP...

but here I am.

Are you in the medical profession??? Or did your lack of health push you toward

examining things under a microscope??? Thank you for the most astonishing

things I've ever seen or heard of. Bless you for sharing.

DeB, dammit!!!

--- In , medusa569 <medusa569@...>

wrote:

>

> If you feel you may have parasites..there are some things that have

> helped me. after being given a diagnosis of fibromyalgia I have

> discovered that i have beacoup parasites. I first discovered it by

> accident when used my zapper. After I saw the results I continued with

> rifing ( which I already had ) and got some more out as well as an

> oxygen product. Results of some of what I've gotten out are posted on

> www.curezone.com. Go to images, then click on parasites, then

> WINTERWHSPR. You will see some of what i got out and how it came out. I

> continue to deal with microscopic worms and am now experimenting with

> ozone. My symptoms were sever diffuse pain, liver area pains ( very

> sever- and yes I did liver flushes that produced about a total of 16

> ounces of stones and chaff),

> developed diabetes, weight gain despite all these critters, circulatory

> problems, brain fog, lots of head distresses, nodules under the skin (

> still haven't licked that one yet) ,edema,increased abdomen ,urinary

> problems, ( had both E.COLI infection and worms) and more subtle

> distresses that afflict many chronic sufferers. Let me say that I went

> to a parasitologist at Washington University Hospital and after

> being presented a disk of some of my results..declared it all food

> residue and left the office and me high and dry. Lab tests are commonly

> negative in parasitology unless its done with multiple samples ( if they

> are done at all as they don't expect local American to have parasites.

> It is a slow road to wellness but it can be done and has to be done

> gently when one is at the physical state Deb and others are.

>

>

> medusa

[Guest guest]

Hi Debbie,

Oh my you must be going through hell, I am sure it can be fixed one just has to

find out how. Trust your gut instincts, look back into your symptoms like upto

10yrs ago and write them down like a timeline. It may help you unravel the chain

of events that has brought your health to the level it is today. Hulda e

look her up and this will help you with parasite info and eradication as well

this latest liver fluke thing will have just jumped onto maybe other underlying

problems and exacibated them as well like a deck of cards falling.

Dark field microscope work can sometimes give insight as well. Something that

maybe of use as well when and if you are trying to get herbs ie a herbal extract

or any chemical into the body one can always mix it with DMSO.

I know this maybe of no help but for aching muscles I have been experimenting

with transdermal magnesium and DMSO mixed and spraying it on. I have spent quite

a lot at chiropractors thinking my back was all stuffed or that I had

bi-latheral thorasic syndrome. These guys love taking my money but I don't get

long term relief or healing. All of these aches and pains go from my muscles

once I spray this on. Magnesium by it's self was helping slightly but once

mixing it with DMSO it's like a bullet going right to the problem areas. I did

notice one thing, within 1 minute or less after spraying this on my legs I can

taste it in my mouth. No I am not breathing particles in that maybe in the air,

it's definetly travelling that fast in the system and I am amazed. Next for me

to try is DMSO, Magnesium, MSM and some silica or zinc as I have bone spurs on

my heels that are painful.

Also DMSO internally once I get up the courage and I have some pokeroot coming

that I will mix with DMSO to try and sort out my swollen lymph nodes that are

tucked just under my jaw, there is one on each side of the trachea and they feel

like the size of a large tom bowler marble.

Why I am mentioning this even though it may not pertain to your problems is that

if you are trying to attack specific areas say you feel that there is a parasite

in a particular area. Then to get whatever you are using to either drive or kill

it one could mix this with DMSO and apply it topically as well as maybe taking

it internally that is if it was something for internal use and was the protocol.

That stuff they use as a dewormer could also be used topically maybe with DMSO,

you will need to investigate it.

Kind of like a double whammy two pronged approach, attacking it from both

internally and externally. In other words giving it absolute hell. Curezone is

fantastic and I know you will find some help or insight there for sure.

Another thing to think about and was mentioned to me by a naturopath friend is

the distended stomach thing. Now we see a lot of this in countries like Africa

where there are super skinny kids dying of malnutrition but they have a bloated

fat stomach, one would think malnutrition and the stomach would be skinny or

flat but it doesn't seem to be the case. I am also thinking that maybe the gut

tract is not taking in nutrition.

I also have this problem so embarrassing when people say oh when are you due, I

just want to scream. Probiotics before each meal have been helping to bring back

gut flora and also stop the angry/sore intestines, keep away from black and

white pepper. I had symptoms of IBS, gerd etc and believe this has come about

because I have had Glandular fever, Ross River Fever (a mosquito virus) and also

shingles on top of it. I found out that Glandular fever can cause food allergies

bingo so I have an idea why I have stupid bowel motions and when I cut out all

gluten and dairy it helped, not immediate but after a couple of weeks my life

was beginning to come back with less cronic fatigue and associated aches and

pains. My liver is not functioning properly and also my adrenals are burnt out

from my work and running on adrenalin too much.

Figuring out what is causing our problems is a matter of trying to join the

dots, this was not meant to be a post about me but some of the bits of info may

also help in some way, I felt I had to discuss the my use of DMSO. I do hope

things start improving for you soon.

Take care and best wishes.

P.S. MMS straight onto the shingles blisters that came up on lymph nodes on the

side of my neck knocked it for 6.

>

> THANK YOU!!!! Some useful info to ponder. I shall Google herbal wormers in a

moment. Hadn't even thought of them. I've had so much blood taken out of me, so

many tests run, so many doctors, so many hospitals... in the end they look over

their glasses at me like I'm inventing this for drama. I saw all the tests. I,

too, must say that when one looks at the paperwork, there should be a healthy

person sitting next to it.

>

> But when one puts down the paperwork & looks at ME, one sees a very ill lady.

I am very weak, muscle fatigue, jaundice eyes, huge swollen lymph node on my

neck, distended abdomen (54 inches tonight), heart pounding, auditory

fluctuations, constipation with bouts of extreme diarrhea, gushing boils in the

warm areas of my body, slimy coated tongue, hair falling out, eyebrows already

fell out, insomnia, lumpy ridged paper thin fingernails, horridly hard heels

that itch and burn... it just goes on & on...

>

> They just aren't running the correct tests and none of them have a clue which

that would be. I am then instructed to get a physician or a shrink. Easier said

than done when you have no money.

>

> I am an opinionated, hard-headed woman blessed with common sense. I have

thought of everything I can think of. Now... I am afraid and I grow more frail

each passing day. So forgive my abrupt attitude. I am a shell of my former self.

>

> Bless anyone that can offer guidance.

>

> SINCERELY,

>

> Dammit Debbie

>

[Guest guest]

Lots of info... lots to consider. I have no knowledge of DMSO other than what

I've seen on posts. I've heard that Tractor Supply sells it in the farm animal

section???

I feel a bit better this evening, eyes still jaundice. Got 20 minutes of

sunshine today. I quite MILK when my tongue got swollen & itchy 2 wks ago from

drinking it. Spooky stuff... took benadryl, it passed in a couple of hours.

I got a piece of baked chicken & some steamed kale into me tonight. That is the

MOST I've eaten in weeks. So far, so good... time will tell.

I got up to 4 drops of MMS every hour for 5 hours today. It was a bit much. Got

the TROTZ, as my little Granny used to say. So tomorrow I will stay at 3 drops.

Thank you for all of the helpful insight on DMSO. I am learning TOO MUCH TOO

FAST. But surely some of it will STICK in my foggy brain???

Bless you and thank you so very much,

DeB

>

> Hi Debbie,

>

> Oh my you must be going through hell, I am sure it can be fixed one just has

to find out how. Trust your gut instincts, look back into your symptoms like up

to 10yrs ago and write them down like a time-line. It may help you unravel the

chain of events that has brought your health to the level it is today. Hulda

e look her up and this will help you with parasite info and eradication as

well this latest liver fluke thing will have just jumped onto maybe other

underlying problems and exacerbated them as well like a deck of cards falling.

>

> Dark field microscope work can sometimes give insight as well. Something that

maybe of use as well when and if you are trying to get herbs ie a herbal extract

or any chemical into the body one can always mix it with DMSO.

>

> I know this maybe of no help but for aching muscles I have been experimenting

with trans-dermal magnesium and DMSO mixed and spraying it on. I have spent

quite a lot at chiropractors thinking my back was all stuffed or that I had

bi-lateral thorasic syndrome. These guys love taking my money but I don't get

long term relief or healing. All of these aches and pains go from my muscles

once I spray this on. Magnesium by it's self was helping slightly but once

mixing it with DMSO it's like a bullet going right to the problem areas. I did

notice one thing, within 1 minute or less after spraying this on my legs I can

taste it in my mouth. No I am not breathing particles in that maybe in the air,

it's definitely traveling that fast in the system and I am amazed. Next for me

to try is DMSO, Magnesium, MSM and some silica or zinc as I have bone spurs on

my heels that are painful.

>

> Also DMSO internally once I get up the courage and I have some poke-root

coming that I will mix with DMSO to try and sort out my swollen lymph nodes that

are tucked just under my jaw, there is one on each side of the trachea and they

feel like the size of a large tom bowler marble.

>

> Why I am mentioning this even though it may not pertain to your problems is

that if you are trying to attack specific areas say you feel that there is a

parasite in a particular area. Then to get whatever you are using to either

drive or kill it one could mix this with DMSO and apply it topically as well as

maybe taking it internally that is if it was something for internal use and was

the protocol. That stuff they use as a dewormer could also be used topically

maybe with DMSO, you will need to investigate it.

>

> Kind of like a double whammy two pronged approach, attacking it from both

internally and externally. In other words giving it absolute hell. Curezone is

fantastic and I know you will find some help or insight there for sure.

>

> Another thing to think about and was mentioned to me by a naturopath friend is

the distended stomach thing. Now we see a lot of this in countries like Africa

where there are super skinny kids dying of malnutrition but they have a bloated

fat stomach, one would think malnutrition and the stomach would be skinny or

flat but it doesn't seem to be the case. I am also thinking that maybe the gut

tract is not taking in nutrition.

>

> I also have this problem so embarrassing when people say oh when are you due,

I just want to scream. Probiotics before each meal have been helping to bring

back gut flora and also stop the angry/sore intestines, keep away from black and

white pepper. I had symptoms of IBS, gerd etc and believe this has come about

because I have had Glandular fever, Ross River Fever (a mosquito virus) and also

shingles on top of it. I found out that Glandular fever can cause food allergies

bingo so I have an idea why I have stupid bowel motions and when I cut out all

gluten and dairy it helped, not immediate but after a couple of weeks my life

was beginning to come back with less chronic fatigue and associated aches and

pains. My liver is not functioning properly and also my adrenals are burnt out

from my work and running on adrenalin too much.

>

> Figuring out what is causing our problems is a matter of trying to join the

dots, this was not meant to be a post about me but some of the bits of info may

also help in some way, I felt I had to discuss the my use of DMSO. I do hope

things start improving for you soon.

>

> Take care and best wishes.

>

> P.S. MMS straight onto the shingles blisters that came up on lymph nodes on

the side of my neck knocked it for 6.

[Guest guest]

Deb,

Good to hear you are feeling better, keep pumping those greens in they can do

amazing things for the system.

These couple of videos on DMSO that really opened up my eyes and thought process

and the light bulb kind of when on as to how I could utilize it in my life to

supercharge stuff like herbs and extracts. How I could heal scarring, not only

external but the potential for healing internal injuries or old injuries torn

muscles etc. How this could improve massage as well.

There are 3 videos in this one and they are very interesting and also amazing.

Oh and these ones that Vitalis has done really opened up my mind also as

to the uses and how I can fast track things like tinctures and extracts into the

body.

there are 2 videos.

We never stop learning no matter how old we get.

Enjoy

>

> Lots of info... lots to consider. I have no knowledge of DMSO other than what

I've seen on posts. I've heard that Tractor Supply sells it in the farm animal

section???

>

> I feel a bit better this evening, eyes still jaundice. Got 20 minutes of

sunshine today. I quite MILK when my tongue got swollen & itchy 2 wks ago from

drinking it. Spooky stuff... took benadryl, it passed in a couple of hours.

>

> I got a piece of baked chicken & some steamed kale into me tonight. That is

the MOST I've eaten in weeks. So far, so good... time will tell.

>

> I got up to 4 drops of MMS every hour for 5 hours today. It was a bit much.

Got the TROTZ, as my little Granny used to say. So tomorrow I will stay at 3

drops.

>

> Thank you for all of the helpful insight on DMSO. I am learning TOO MUCH TOO

FAST. But surely some of it will STICK in my foggy brain???

>

> Bless you and thank you so very much,

>

> DeB