Side effects

[Guest guest]

I didn't know that Gingko harms the liver, my Dr never told me not to take it and she knows that I do. It has made a huge difference since because of it, I don't get the brain fog much at all.

Ally

On 11/9/06, <marvindamartian05@...> wrote:

Thanks!I use so many sticky notes that Post It Corp. has endowed a scholarship in my honor! :)Besides keeping journals and to do's (which I already do as I have always had a hectic professional and home life schedule), are there any other suggesions? I do crossword puzzles to keep my mind sharp, but are there are supplements or foods that are known to help with this?I can't take SAMe because I am on Zoloft and they don't play well together. I hear Ginkgo Biloba harms the liver, so that's out too.> > > > > > > > > Check out this website.

http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to > > give this> > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it > does? > > Be sure> > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.

> > > > > > Nikki> > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much > > water > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz > > per > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no > trace > > of > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr > blood > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep > C. I > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also > believe > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit > > puree so > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to > > take > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he > > viral > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope > you > > have found> > > the support you need with us. > > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our > > group, just> > > click the link-- >

Hepatitis C/> > > > > > Happy Posting > > >

[Guest guest]

Sheena (and anyone else who wants an evening of fellowship and

support in the OC, CA, there is a monthly meeting at Saddleback

Church in Lake Forest, the 3rd Thursday of the month. the next

meeting is Nov, 16th.

Directions:

From HB:

Take the 405 toward San Diego, and when it merges with the 5, keep

heading South. Exit at El Toro Road (Left off the exit ramp, heading

NW).

Take El Toro for a pretty good distance, passing Trabuco. At Portola,

make a left, then make a right at Saddleback Parkway (there's big

sign). Take the driveway up the hill toward the church complex -it's

a huge complex, by the way - all the way up the hill. You will see

some white portables on the left, and keep going to the end. Make a

right, and go around to the green portables.

I got very lost, and you will probably have to ask someone for

directions once you get there. Give yourself plenty of time! It

starts at 6:30 pm.

See you there!

> >

> >

> > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to

> give this

> > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it does?

> Be sure

> > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.

> >

> > Nikki

> >

> > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It

> > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am

> > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much

> water

> > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz

> per

> > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no trace

> of

> > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr

blood

> > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C.

I

> > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also

believe

> > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit

> puree so

> > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to

> take

> > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he

> viral

> > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the

> > difference. Please get in touch for more info.

> >

> > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you

> have found

> > the support you need with us.

> >

> > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our

> group, just

> > click the link--

Hepatitis C/

> >

> > Happy Posting

> >

[Guest guest]

Maybe I am mistaken? *GASP* LOL

I hope I am, because gingko is great for keeping the mind sharp. Let

me try and remember where I heard/read that.

> > > > >

> > > > >

> > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am

going

> > to

> > > > give this

> > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it

> > > does?

> > > > Be sure

> > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.

> > > > >

> > > > > Nikki

> > > > >

> > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon.

It

> > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and

still am

> > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as

> > much

> > > > water

> > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink

> > 6oz

> > > > per

> > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no

> > > trace

> > > > of

> > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and

2yr

> > > blood

> > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for

Hep

> > > C. I

> > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also

> > > believe

> > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole

fruit

> > > > puree so

> > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not

want to

> > > > take

> > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the

Interferon

> > he

> > > > viral

> > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made

the

> > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.

> > > > >

> > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We

hope

> > > you

> > > > have found

> > > > > the support you need with us.

> > > > >

> > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to

our

> > > > group, just

> > > > > click the link--

> > > Hepatitis C/

> > > > >

> > > > > Happy Posting

> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, , looks easy enough, is there a room number or other form of identification on the greenies? Hmmm, isn't that an old song "The Green Door"? I printed directions, see you there! Sheena <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Sheena (and anyone else who wants an evening of fellowship and

support in the OC, CA, there is a monthly meeting at Saddleback Church in Lake Forest, the 3rd Thursday of the month. the next meeting is Nov, 16th.Directions:From HB:Take the 405 toward San Diego, and when it merges with the 5, keep heading South. Exit at El Toro Road (Left off the exit ramp, heading NW).Take El Toro for a pretty good distance, passing Trabuco. At Portola, make a left, then make a right at Saddleback Parkway (there's big sign). Take the driveway up the hill toward the church complex -it's a huge complex, by the way - all the way up the hill. You will see some white portables on the left, and keep going to the end. Make a right, and go around to the green portables. I got very lost, and you will probably have to ask someone for directions once you get there. Give yourself plenty of time! It starts at 6:30 pm.See you there!> > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to > give this> > a try. If it doesn't work it won't

hurt you, but what if it does? > Be sure> > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > Nikki> > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much > water > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz > per > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no trace > of > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr blood > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C. I > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also believe > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit > puree so > > that the Xanthone rich

pericarp is in the beverage.> > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to > take > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he > viral > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you > have found> > the support you need with us. > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our > group, just> > click the link-- Hepatitis C/> > > > Happy Posting > >

[Guest guest]

All of the " green rooms are behind the worship center,and the meeting

is in the very first one.There will be a big sign on an easel out

front. Look for me, I am 5' 3 " on a big hair day (otherwise, 5'2 " ),

long brown hair, 42 years young!

-- In Hepatitis C , Sheena

<mom4possums2002@...> wrote:

>

> Thanks, , looks easy enough, is there a room number

> or other form of identification on the greenies?

> Hmmm, isn't that an old song " The Green Door " ?

> I printed directions, see you there!

>

> Sheena

>

>

>

> <marvindamartian05@...> wrote:

>

> Sheena (and anyone else who wants an evening of fellowship and

> support in the OC, CA, there is a monthly meeting at Saddleback

> Church in Lake Forest, the 3rd Thursday of the month. the next

> meeting is Nov, 16th.

>

> Directions:

>

> From HB:

>

> Take the 405 toward San Diego, and when it merges with the 5, keep

> heading South. Exit at El Toro Road (Left off the exit ramp, heading

> NW).

>

> Take El Toro for a pretty good distance, passing Trabuco. At Portola,

> make a left, then make a right at Saddleback Parkway (there's big

> sign). Take the driveway up the hill toward the church complex -it's

> a huge complex, by the way - all the way up the hill. You will see

> some white portables on the left, and keep going to the end. Make a

> right, and go around to the green portables.

>

> I got very lost, and you will probably have to ask someone for

> directions once you get there. Give yourself plenty of time! It

> starts at 6:30 pm.

>

> See you there!

>

>

>

>

> > >

> > >

> > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to

> > give this

> > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it does?

> > Be sure

> > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.

> > >

> > > Nikki

> > >

> > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It

> > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am

> > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much

> > water

> > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz

> > per

> > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no trace

> > of

> > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr

> blood

> > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C.

> I

> > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also

> believe

> > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit

> > puree so

> > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to

> > take

> > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he

> > viral

> > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the

> > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.

> > >

> > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you

> > have found

> > > the support you need with us.

> > >

> > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our

> > group, just

> > > click the link--

> Hepatitis C/

> > >

> > > Happy Posting

> > >

[Guest guest]

I'll do some research, I havent heard or read that ginko is bad for the liver,, I have tons of books on herbs,, lemme take alook,, Ill post what I find tomorrow <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Maybe I am mistaken? *GASP* LOLI hope I am, because gingko is great for keeping the mind sharp. Let me try and remember where I heard/read that. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am

going> > to> > > > give this> > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > does?> > > > Be sure> > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > >> > > > > Nikki> > > > >> > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It> > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am> > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > much> > > > water> > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > 6oz> > > > per> > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > trace> > > > of> >

> > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr> > > blood> > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep> > > C. I> > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > believe> > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit> > > > puree so> > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to> > > > take> > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon> > he> > > > viral> > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the> > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.>

> > > >> > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope> > > you> > > > have found> > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > >> > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our> > > > group, just> > > > > click the link--> > > Hepatitis C/> > > > >> > > > > Happy Posting> > > > >

[Guest guest]

Yes Sheena, YOU might feel worse when you first start,, its called a "healing crisis". Its not uncommon but should go away within a week or so... Sheena <mom4possums2002@...> wrote: , I need directions for the 16th when you have time! You can e-mail me privately, unless someone else wants them. I am coming South on the 405 from HB to Irvine. I will be there this time, one way or the other.. I have been on all but 3 supplements

since last Saturday, still waiitng for those last 3 to arrive, and do know you generally feel worse before you start to feel better, but I was sure glad to hear that you are feeling some better! I am already using CoQ10 and the Maximum Milk Thistle, but I'll sure have to look into the "Fatique Relief"! I wish there were something more to help with the brain fog, I just write down everything that seems really important.. I've gotten better about taking my supplements on time, am generally not more than 20 minutes late, and was thinking of setting an alarm.. Where there's a will, there has to be a way.. Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sheena,I KNOW that you are going to start feeling better soon! I am about a month or two ahead of you as far as the "supplement regime", and I feel a whole lot better. The COQ10 will really help with the fatigue, and I just started using something called "Fatigue Relief" that I got from the Natural Wellness company that distributes the Maximum Milk Thistle. What a difference! I don't need a nap after work anymore...last night I even went to Target after a 9 hour work day!It's not that expensive either. When I see you at the support group meeting on the 16th I will give you some to try if you like.Also - my detox process is pretty much complete, meaning I have cleansed my system of a lot of the vestiges of fatty food, fast food, processed foods, soda and of course alcohol. I know the effects linger in the form

of my steatosis (fatty liver), but I know my liver function is improving just by how I feel. And my skin has cleared up.One thing I have noticed and it beginning to frighten me...the brain fog. I had to dig deep on Monday to remember what I did the previous Saturday! I am now exercising my memory by trying to remember - what did I wear yesterday, eat for breakfast, etc? I use my brain for my job (not to mention just getting from point A to , so this is concenring me.What does everyone do to counteract the brain fog?!!!> > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to give this> a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it does? Be sure> and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > Nikki> > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much water > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz per > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no

trace of > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr blood > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C. I > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also believe > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit puree so > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to take > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he viral > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have found> the support you need with us. > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our group, just> click the link-- Hepatitis C/> > Happy Posting >

[Guest guest]

Buy yourself a ONE WEEK medicine container and put each weeks worth of meds one day a week, that way all you have to do is to look at say Monday and can see IF you took all of mondays meds... it helped me tremendously!richlee7 <rnewton8@...> wrote: Hi,for the brain fog and forgetfullness, I keep a journal, and I e-mail myself reminders and use sticky notes, and make a weekly to do list. I also have to write down whenever I take medication or i forget i took it and then end up taking double. i think i

may have done that with the ribaviran and that was not good.> > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to > give this> > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what

if it does? > Be sure> > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > Nikki> > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much > water > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz > per > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no trace > of > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr blood > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C. I > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also believe > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit > puree so > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is

in the beverage.> > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to > take > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he > viral > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you > have found> > the support you need with us. > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our > group, just> > click the link-- Hepatitis C/> > > > Happy Posting > >

[Guest guest]

Thanks, and in the meantime I had a big bowl of cereal with soy

lethicin mixed in. Lethicin granules have choline (phospharides),

which helps liver function AND also improves neurological transmission

(for learning and memory). I had been eating lots of this, then for

some reason I stopped, and maybe that's why my memory has been bad of

late.

If ginkgo is safe, I will get some of that too! I can't stand to be

foggy like this. Makes me wonder how I ever enjoyed drinking alcohol.

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am

> going

> > > to

> > > > > give this

> > > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it

> > > > does?

> > > > > Be sure

> > > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nikki

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon.

> It

> > > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and

> still am

> > > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as

> > > much

> > > > > water

> > > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink

> > > 6oz

> > > > > per

> > > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no

> > > > trace

> > > > > of

> > > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and

> 2yr

> > > > blood

> > > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for

> Hep

> > > > C. I

> > > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also

> > > > believe

> > > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole

> fruit

> > > > > puree so

> > > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not

> want to

> > > > > take

> > > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the

> Interferon

> > > he

> > > > > viral

> > > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made

> the

> > > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We

> hope

> > > > you

> > > > > have found

> > > > > > the support you need with us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to

> our

> > > > > group, just

> > > > > > click the link--

> > > > Hepatitis C/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happy Posting

> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

hahaha, yeah I know about the drinking,, Im glad I was never a big drinker, or I'd probably be dead,, I know about Choline, its great for the liver,, so is Red Clover and dandilion.. Ill take a look and let ya know what I find tomorrow have a good nite! jackie <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: Thanks, and in the meantime I had a big bowl of cereal with soylethicin mixed in. Lethicin granules have choline (phospharides),which helps liver function AND also improves

neurological transmission(for learning and memory). I had been eating lots of this, then forsome reason I stopped, and maybe that's why my memory has been bad oflate.If ginkgo is safe, I will get some of that too! I can't stand to befoggy like this. Makes me wonder how I ever enjoyed drinking alcohol.> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am > going> > > to> > > > > give this> > > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > > does?> > > > > Be sure> > > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap,

too.> > > > > >> > > > > > Nikki> > > > > >> > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. > It> > > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and > still am> > > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > > much> > > > > water> > > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > > 6oz> > > > > per> > > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > > trace> > > > > of> > > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and > 2yr> > > > blood> > > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show

positive for > Hep> > > > C. I> > > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > > believe> > > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole > fruit> > > > > puree so> > > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not > want to> > > > > take> > > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the > Interferon> > > he> > > > > viral> > > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made > the> > > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > > >> > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join

in our conversations. We > hope> > > > you> > > > > have found> > > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > > >> > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to > our> > > > > group, just> > > > > > click the link--> > > > Hepatitis C/> > > > > >> > > > > > Happy Posting> > > > > >

[Guest guest]

I drink dandelion tea, but I never heard of red clover. Will check

that one out via Google! Thanks!

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am

> > going

> > > > to

> > > > > > give this

> > > > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it

> > > > > does?

> > > > > > Be sure

> > > > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > Nikki

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon.

> > It

> > > > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and

> > still am

> > > > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as

> > > > much

> > > > > > water

> > > > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink

> > > > 6oz

> > > > > > per

> > > > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no

> > > > > trace

> > > > > > of

> > > > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and

> > 2yr

> > > > > blood

> > > > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for

> > Hep

> > > > > C. I

> > > > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also

> > > > > believe

> > > > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole

> > fruit

> > > > > > puree so

> > > > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > > > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not

> > want to

> > > > > > take

> > > > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the

> > Interferon

> > > > he

> > > > > > viral

> > > > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made

> > the

> > > > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We

> > hope

> > > > > you

> > > > > > have found

> > > > > > > the support you need with us.

> > > > > > >

> > > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to

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Ginko is extremely hepatatoxic , so a real no no for us heppers

Re: Re: Side effects

I'll do some research, I havent heard or read that ginko is bad for the liver,, I have tons of books on herbs,, lemme take alook,, Ill post what I find tomorrow <marvindamartian05 > wrote:

Maybe I am mistaken? *GASP* LOLI hope I am, because gingko is great for keeping the mind sharp. Let me try and remember where I heard/read that. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going> > to> > > > give this> > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > does?> > > > Be sure> > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > >> > > > > Nikki> > > > >> > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It> > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am> > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > much> > > > water> > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > 6oz> > > > per> > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > trace> > > > of> > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr> > > blood> > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep> > > C. I> > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > believe> > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit> > > > puree so> > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to> > > > take> > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon> > he> > > > viral> > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the> > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > >> > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope> > > you> > > > have found> > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > >> > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our> > > > group, just> > > > > click the link--> > > Hepatitis C/> > > > >> > > > > Happy Posting> > > > >

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where did you get that info,, I know that most herbs can be dangerous so I want to read what you have read,, can you share the info hon,,, elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Ginko is extremely hepatatoxic , so a real no no for us heppers Re: Re: Side effects I'll do some research, I havent heard or read that ginko is bad for the liver,, I have tons of books on herbs,, lemme take alook,, Ill post what I find tomorrow <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Maybe I am mistaken? *GASP* LOLI hope I am, because gingko is great for keeping the mind

sharp. Let me try and remember where I heard/read that. > > > > >> > > > >> > > >

> Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going> > to> > > > give this> > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > does?> > > > Be sure> > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > >> > > > > Nikki> > > > >> > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It> > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am> > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > much> > > > water> > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > 6oz> > > > per> > > > > day over the past

2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > trace> > > > of> > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr> > > blood> > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep> > > C. I> > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > believe> > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit> > > > puree so> > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to> > > > take> > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon> > he> > > > viral> > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the

mangosteen made the> > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > >> > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope> > > you> > > > have found> > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > >> > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our> > > > group, just> > > > > click the link--> > > Hepatitis C/> > > > >> > > > > Happy Posting> > > > >

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Red Clover is excellent for the liver,, or so I have read,, and its in a lot of liver supplements that are for hep c,, <marvindamartian05@...> wrote: I drink dandelion tea, but I never heard of red clover. Will checkthat one out via Google! Thanks!> > > > > > >> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am > > going> > >

> to> > > > > > give this> > > > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > > > does?> > > > > > Be sure> > > > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Nikki> > > > > > >> > > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. > > It> > > > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and > > still am> > > > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > > > much> > > > > > water> > > > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > > > 6oz> > > > >

> per> > > > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > > > trace> > > > > > of> > > > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and > > 2yr> > > > > blood> > > > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for > > Hep> > > > > C. I> > > > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > > > believe> > > > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole > > fruit> > > > > > puree so> > > > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not > > want to> > >

> > > take> > > > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the > > Interferon> > > > he> > > > > > viral> > > > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made > > the> > > > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We > > hope> > > > > you> > > > > > have found> > > > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > > > >> > > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to > > our> > > > > > group, just> > > > > > > click the link--> > > > > Hepatitis C/> > > > > > >> > > > > > > Happy Posting> > > > > > >

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Thanks, I have an article on healing crisis, thankfully, so I did know what possibly to expect as I detox and rebuild my own immune system. I seem to last about 2 hours then crash and have to rest. Symptoms vary from bad to worse, but I believe I will soon be feeling much better, I am working towards that.. Sheena Jackie on <redjaxjm@...> wrote: Yes Sheena, YOU might feel worse when you first start,, its called a "healing crisis". Its not uncommon but should go away within a week or so... Sheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: , I need directions for the 16th when you have time! You can e-mail me privately, unless someone else wants them. I am coming South on the 405 from HB to Irvine. I will be there this time, one way or the other.. I have been on all but 3 supplements since last Saturday, still waiitng for those last 3 to arrive, and do know you generally feel worse before you start to feel better, but I was sure glad to hear that you are feeling some better! I am already using CoQ10 and the

Maximum Milk Thistle, but I'll sure have to look into the "Fatique Relief"! I wish there were something more to help with the brain fog, I just write down everything that seems really important.. I've gotten better about taking my supplements on time, am generally not more than 20 minutes late, and was thinking of setting an alarm.. Where there's a will, there has to be a way.. Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sheena,I KNOW that you are going to start feeling better soon! I am about a month or two ahead of you as far as the "supplement regime", and I feel a whole lot better. The

COQ10 will really help with the fatigue, and I just started using something called "Fatigue Relief" that I got from the Natural Wellness company that distributes the Maximum Milk Thistle. What a difference! I don't need a nap after work anymore...last night I even went to Target after a 9 hour work day!It's not that expensive either. When I see you at the support group meeting on the 16th I will give you some to try if you like.Also - my detox process is pretty much complete, meaning I have cleansed my system of a lot of the vestiges of fatty food, fast food, processed foods, soda and of course alcohol. I know the effects linger in the form of my steatosis (fatty liver), but I know my liver function is improving just by how I feel. And my skin has cleared up.One thing I have noticed and it beginning to frighten me...the brain fog. I had to dig deep on Monday to remember what I did the previous Saturday! I

am now exercising my memory by trying to remember - what did I wear yesterday, eat for breakfast, etc? I use my brain for my job (not to mention just getting from point A to , so this is concenring me.What does everyone do to counteract the brain fog?!!!> >

> Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to give this> a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it does? Be sure> and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > Nikki> > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much water > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz per > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no trace of > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr blood > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C. I > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also believe > you have to choose a mangosteen

beverage that is a whole fruit puree so > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to take > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he viral > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have found> the support you need with us. > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our group, just> click the link-- Hepatitis C/> > Happy Posting >

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Yes, I read that someplace and can't remember where. I bought some

Ginkgo and decaf green tea, because it claims to " support mental

alertness and memory, help maintain a healthy immune system " . On the

Salam Research site, they have ginkgo leaf listed in the HCV

protocol, so I figured it was safe for the liver.

So I am confused!

> > > > > >

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I

am

> going

> > > to

> > > > > give this

> > > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what

if it

> > > > does?

> > > > > Be sure

> > > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap,

too.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Nikki

> > > > > >

> > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the

Interferon.

> It

> > > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was

and

> still am

> > > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to

drink as

> > > much

> > > > > water

> > > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued

to drink

> > > 6oz

> > > > > per

> > > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels

show no

> > > > trace

> > > > > of

> > > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr

and

> 2yr

> > > > blood

> > > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show

positive for

> Hep

> > > > C. I

> > > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference.

I also

> > > > believe

> > > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a

whole

> fruit

> > > > > puree so

> > > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did

not

> want to

> > > > > take

> > > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the

> Interferon

> > > he

> > > > > viral

> > > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen

made

> the

> > > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations.

We

> hope

> > > > you

> > > > > have found

> > > > > > the support you need with us.

> > > > > >

> > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy

access to

> our

> > > > > group, just

> > > > > > click the link--

> > > > Hepatitis C/

> > > > > >

> > > > > > Happy Posting

> > > > > >

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" Healing crisis " ? this is fascinating. I have never heard of this.

That may explain why I felt like crap for a month and am just

starting to come " out of it " Sheena, is that aritcle in a form that

you can email it? Or maybe I can google it...

> >

> >

> > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to

> give this

> > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it does?

> Be sure

> > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.

> >

> > Nikki

> >

> > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It

> > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am

> > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much

> water

> > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz

> per

> > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no trace

> of

> > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr

blood

> > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C.

I

> > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also

believe

> > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit

> puree so

> > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.

> > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to

> take

> > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he

> viral

> > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the

> > difference. Please get in touch for more info.

> >

> > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you

> have found

> > the support you need with us.

> >

> > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our

> group, just

> > click the link--

Hepatitis C/

> >

> > Happy Posting

> >

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My nephew , his fiance and their baby showed up last night gimme a couple of hrs , when they go I will post the info

Re: Re: Side effects

I'll do some research, I havent heard or read that ginko is bad for the liver,, I have tons of books on herbs,, lemme take alook,, Ill post what I find tomorrow <marvindamartian05 > wrote:

Maybe I am mistaken? *GASP* LOLI hope I am, because gingko is great for keeping the mind sharp. Let me try and remember where I heard/read that. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going> > to> > > > give this> > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > does?> > > > Be sure> > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > >> > > > > Nikki> > > > >> > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It> > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am> > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > much> > > > water> > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > 6oz> > > > per> > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > trace> > > > of> > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr> > > blood> > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep> > > C. I> > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > believe> > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit> > > > puree so> > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to> > > > take> > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon> > he> > > > viral> > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the> > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > >> > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope> > > you> > > > have found> > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > >> > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our> > > > group, just> > > > > click the link--> > > Hepatitis C/> > > > >> > > > > Happy Posting> > > > >

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well let us know Sheena <mom4possums2002@...> wrote: Thanks, I have an article on healing crisis, thankfully, so I did know what possibly to expect as I detox and rebuild my own immune system. I seem to last about 2 hours then crash and have to rest. Symptoms vary from bad to worse, but I believe I will soon be feeling much better, I am working towards that.. Sheena Jackie on <redjaxjm > wrote: Yes Sheena, YOU might feel worse when you first start,, its called a "healing crisis". Its not uncommon but should go away within a week or so... Sheena <mom4possums2002 > wrote: , I need directions for the 16th when you have time! You can e-mail me privately, unless someone else wants them. I am coming South on the 405 from HB to Irvine. I will be there this time, one way or the other.. I have been on all but 3 supplements since last Saturday, still waiitng for those last 3 to arrive,

and do know you generally feel worse before you start to feel better, but I was sure glad to hear that you are feeling some better! I am already using CoQ10 and the Maximum Milk Thistle, but I'll sure have to look into the "Fatique Relief"! I wish there were something more to help with the brain fog, I just write down everything that seems really important.. I've gotten better about taking my supplements on time, am generally not more than 20 minutes late, and was thinking of setting an alarm.. Where there's a will, there has to be a way.. Sheena <marvindamartian05 > wrote: Sheena,I KNOW that you are going to start feeling better soon! I am about a month or two ahead of you as far as the "supplement regime", and I feel a whole lot better. The COQ10 will really help with the fatigue, and I just started using something called "Fatigue Relief" that I got from the Natural Wellness company that distributes the Maximum Milk Thistle. What a difference! I don't need a nap after work anymore...last night I even went to Target after a 9 hour work day!It's not that expensive either. When I see you at the support group meeting on the 16th I will give you some to try if you like.Also - my detox process is pretty much complete, meaning I have cleansed my system of a lot of the vestiges of fatty food, fast food, processed foods, soda and of course alcohol. I know the effects linger in the form of my steatosis (fatty liver), but I know my liver function is improving just

by how I feel. And my skin has cleared up.One thing I have noticed and it beginning to frighten me...the brain fog. I had to dig deep on Monday to remember what I did the previous Saturday! I am now exercising my memory by trying to remember - what did I wear yesterday, eat for breakfast, etc? I use my brain for my job (not to mention just getting from point A to , so this is concenring me.What does everyone do to counteract the brain fog?!!!> > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going to give this> a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it does? Be sure> and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > Nikki> > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as much water > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink 6oz per > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no trace of > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr

blood > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep C. I > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also believe > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit puree so > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to take > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon he viral > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope you have found> the support you need with us. > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our group, just> click the link-- Hepatitis C/> > Happy Posting >

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This is just a sample of the imformation I have , it's gonna take me hrs to sift through it and find the exact article about ginko ...but you know me I won't give up till I do ,lol

What everyone should know before trying herbs : 1] Some herbal remedies may afford some benefit to the liver in specific instances - however, these specific circumstances have not as yet been clearly established or defined by generally accepted and approved medical standards 2] Herbs are not regulated by the FDA - they are exempt from FDA investigation and restrictions - proof of safety and possible side effect data is not required prior to being made available to the consumer 3] Labeling of bottles is totally unregulated - The exact ingredients, amount and potency of ingredients, and the presence of other herbs or substances are not required to appear on labels - adulteration by other substances, such as steroids, atropine, lead, and caffeine, has been reported 4] Some herbs actually may cause liver disease The following is a list of herbs that you should absolutely avoid if you have liver disease. Ingestion of these herbs have been reported to cause liver related complications ranging from acute hepatitis and jaundice to cirrhosis and death from liver failure : 1. COMFREY [bush tea] 2. GERMANDER 3. CHAPARRAL 4. JIN BU HUAN 5. NUTMEG 6. PENNYROYAL OIL 7. MISTLETOE 8. TANSY RAGWORT 9. SENNA 10. SASSAFRAS 11. VALERIAN 5] One should carefully evaluate all claims made about an herbal remedy prior to ingesting it - are claims based on human or animal studies ? - are you reading a confirmed,respected research study, or simply an advertisement ? 6] Find a liver specialist who is clearly knowledgeable about the pros and cons of herbal supplements - Inform him/her as to the herbal preparation you are taking or planning to take so that potential side effects, drug interactions and results can be more safely and appropriately evaluated and monitored

Herbal medicines - Are they safe? EXETER, ENGLAND. Dr. Edzard Ernst, MD, Professor of Complementary Medicine at the University of Exeter has just released a major report on the safety of herbal medicines. Dr. Ernst surveyed the medical literature between 1992 and 1996 for reports concerning adverse effects of herbal remedies. Among his findings are:

Royal jelly has been linked to several cases of severe bronchospasm;

Twenty-two cases of severe toxic effects involving pennyroyal have been reported;

Germander has been linked to 30 cases of acute liver failure;

Chaparral, comfrey and skullcap have all been linked to liver problems and the shiitake mushroom has been associated with dermatitis;

Chinese herbal medicines have been linked to a host of adverse effects and are often contaminated, especially with heavy metals;

Siberian ginseng can interact with digoxin, licorice with prednisone, and some Chinese herbal preparations with warfarin;

Four per cent (108) of 2695 patients admitted to a Taiwanese hospital had drug-related problems. Herbal medicines ranked third among the categories of medicines responsible for causing adverse effects;

Out of 1701 patients admitted to a Hong Kong hospital three were admitted because of adverse reactions to Chinese herbal drugs;

The London-based National Poisons Unit received a total of 1070 enquiries relating to herbal and other traditional medicines between January 1983 and March 1989.

Table 2. Interference of Herbal Products in Therapeutic Drug Monitoring of Digoxin*

Herbal Product

Level of Interference

Comments

Chan Su

High

Chan Su has active components such as bufalin, which cross-react with digoxin assays; only Bayer assay hasno interference; monitoring free digoxin also eliminates interference

Dan Shen

Moderate

Falsely elevated (FPIA) or falsely low (MEIA) digoxin level; no interference with EMIT, Bayer, Randox, Roche, orBeckman assays; monitoring free digoxin eliminates interference

Uzara root (diuretic)

Additive effect with digoxin; also interferes with digoxin assay

Siberian ginseng

Moderate

Falsely elevated (FPIA) or falsely low (MEIA) digoxin level; no interference with EMIT, Bayer, Randox, Roche, orBeckman assays; monitoring free digoxin does not eliminate interference

Asian ginseng

Moderate

Falsely elevated (FPIA) or falsely low (MEIA) digoxin level; no interference with EMIT, Bayer, Randox, Roche, orBeckman assays; monitoring free digoxin does not eliminate interference

FPIA, fluorescence polarization immunoassay; MEIA, microparticle enzyme immunoassay.

* Bayer Diagnostics, Tarrytown, NY; Roche Diagnostics, Indianapolis, IN; Beckman Coulter, Fullerton, CA.

Table 3. Common Drug-Herb Interactions

Herbal Product

Interacting Drug

Comments

Ginseng

Warfarin

Ginseng may decrease effectiveness of warfarin

Phenelzine

Toxic symptoms, eg, headache, insomnia, and irritability

St 's wort

Paroxetine hydrochloride

Lethargy, incoherence, nausea

Digoxin

Decreased AUC; peak and trough concentration of digoxin; may reduce effectiveness of digoxin

Cyclosporine

Lower cyclosporine concentration due to increased clearance may cause transplant rejection

Theophylline

Lower concentration, thus decreases the efficacy of theophylline

Indinavir

Lower concentration may cause treatment failure in patients with HIV

Ginkgo biloba

Aspirin

Bleeding; ginkgo can inhibit PAF

Warfarin

Hemorrhage

Thiazide

Hypertension

Kava

Alprazolam

Additive effects with CNS depressants, alcohol

Garlic

Warfarin

Increased effectiveness of warfarin; bleeding

Ginger

Warfarin

Increased effectiveness of warfarin; bleeding

Feverfew

Warfarin

Increased effectiveness of warfarin; bleeding

Dong quai

Warfarin

Dong quai contains coumarin; dong quai increases INR for warfarin, causes bleeding

Dan Shen

Warfarin

Increased effectiveness of warfarin owing to reduced elimination of warfarin

Soy milk

Warfarin

Causes decline in INR

Comfrey

Phenobarbital

Increased metabolism of comfrey producing a lethal metabolite from pyrrolizidine; severe hepatotoxiceffects

Borage oil

Phenobarbital

May lower seizure threshold, requiring dosage increase

Evening primrose oil

Phenobarbital

May lower seizure threshold, requiring dosage increase

Licorice

Spironolactone

May offset the effect of spironolactone

Shankhapushpi

Phenytoin

Lower phenytoin level and loss of seizure control

AUC, area under the curve; CNS, central nervous system; INR, international normalized ratio; PAF,platelet-activating factor.

Table 4. Potentially Toxic Herbs

Herb

Toxic Effect or System Affected

Intended Use (Should Anyone Use?)

Comfrey

Hepatotoxic

Repairing of bone and muscle; prevention of kidney stones

Ephedra

Cardiovascular

Herbal weight loss

Chan Su

Cardiovascular

Tonic for heart

Borage oil

Hepatotoxic; hepatocarcinogenic

Source of essential fatty acids; rheumatoid arthritis; hypertension

Calamus

Carcinogenic

Psychoactive, not promoted in the United States

Chaparral

Hepatotoxic; nephrotoxic; carcinogenic

General cleansing tonic; blood thinner; arthritis remedy; weight loss product

Licorice

Pseudoaldosteronism (sodium and water

Treatment of peptic ulcer; flavoring agent retention, hypertension, heart failure)

Herbal Products to Avoid

Chan Su: Topical aphrodisiac sold as Stone, LoveStone, RockHard. It has caused death when swallowed.

Chaparral tea: From leaves and twigs of the desert creosote bush, this is promoted as an antioxidant, a pain reliever, etc. It has caused liver failure requiring liver transplantation.

Coltsfoot (for respiratory problems), comfrey (for arthritis, infections), and sassafras (a general tonic) have caused liver problems and cancer in laboratory animals.

Jin Bu Huan: An ancient Chinese sedative and analgesic containing morphine-like substances. It causes hepatitis.

Kombucha tea: Made from mushroom culture (used as a cure all), this has caused death from acidosis.

Lobelia: Used for respiratory congestion, this has caused respiratory system paralysis and death. Ma huang or ephedra: An herbal form of the central nervous system stimulant commonly known as speed. It is sold with names like Herbal Ecstasy, Cloud 9, and Ultimate Xphoria. It causes heart attacks, seizures, psychotic episodes and death.

Pennyroyal: This is a tea made from leaves that treats coughs and upset stomach. Its oil is highly toxic to the liver and interferes with blood clotting.

Yohimbe bark: Used as aphrodisiac this raises blood pressure and is associated with psychotic episodes.

Twelve supplements you should avoid The 12 supplement ingredients in this table have been linked to serious adverse events or, in the case of glandular supplements, to strong theoretical risks. They're all readily available on the Web, where our shoppers bought them both individually and in multi-ingredient “combination products.” We think it's wise to avoid all of them. But the strength of that warning varies with the strength of the evidence and the size of the risk. So we've divided the dirty dozen into three categories: definitely hazardous, very likely hazardous, and likely hazardous.

Name(Also known as)

Dangers

Regulatory actions

DEFINITELY HAZARDOUSDocumented organ failure and known carcinogenic properties

Aristolochic acid(Aristolochia, birthwort, snakeroot, snakeweed, sangree root, sangrel, serpentary, serpentaria; asarum canadense, wild ginger). Can be an ingredient in Chinese herbal products labeled fang ji, mu tong, ma dou ling, and mu xiang. Can be an unlabeled substitute for other herbs, including akebia, asarum, clematis, cocculus, stephania, and vladimiria species.

Potenthuman carcinogen; kidney failure, sometimes requiring transplant; deaths reported.

FDAwarning to consumers and industry and import alert, in April 2001. Banned in 7 European countries and Egypt, Japan, and Venezuela.

VERY LIKELY HAZARDOUSBanned in other countries, FDA warning, or adverse effects in studies

Comfrey (Symphytum officinale, ass ear, black root, blackwort, bruisewort, consolidae radix, consound, gum plant, healing herb, knitback, knitbone, salsify, slippery root, symphytum radix, wallwort)

Abnormalliver function or damage, often irreversible; deaths reported.

FDAadvised industry to remove from market in July 2001.

Androstenedione(4-androstene-3, 17-dione, andro, androstene)

Increased cancer risk, decrease in HDL cholesterol.

FDAwarned 23 companies to stop manufacturing, marketing, and distributing in March 2004. Banned by athletic associations.

Chaparral(Larrea divaricata, creosote bush, greasewood, hediondilla, jarilla, larreastat)

Abnormalliver function or damage, often irreversible; deaths reported.

FDAwarning to consumers in December 1992.

Germander (Teucrium chamaedrys, wall germander, wild germander)

Abnormalliver function or damage, often irreversible; deaths reported.

Bannedin France and Germany.

Kava (Piper methysticum, ava, awa, gea, gi, intoxicating pepper, kao, kavain, kawa-pfeffer, kew, long pepper, malohu, maluk, meruk, milik, rauschpfeffer, sakau, tonga, wurzelstock, yagona, yangona)

Abnormalliver function or damage, occasionally irreversible; deaths reported.

FDAwarning to consumers in March 2002. Banned in Canada, Germany, Singapore, South Africa, and Switzerland.

LIKELY HAZARDOUS Adverse-event reports or theoretical risks

Bitter orange(Citrus aurantium, green orange, kijitsu, neroli oil, Seville orange, shangzhou zhiqiao, sour orange, zhi oiao, zhi xhi)

Highblood pressure; increased risk of heart arrythmias, heart attack, stroke.

None

Organ/glandular extracts (brain/adrenal/pituitary/placenta/other gland “substance” or “concentrate”)

Theoretical risk of mad cow disease, particularly from brain extracts.

FDAbanned high-risk bovine materials from older cows in foods and supplements in January 2004. (High-risk parts from cows under 30 months still permitted.) Banned in France and Switzerland.

Lobelia(Lobelia inflata, asthma weed, bladderpod, emetic herb, gagroot, lobelie, indian tobacco, pukeweed, vomit wort, wild tobacco)

Breathing difficulty, rapid heartbeat, low blood pressure, diarrhea, dizziness, tremors; possible deaths reported.

Bannedin Bangladesh and Italy.

Pennyroyaloil (Hedeoma pulegioides, lurk-in-the-ditch, mosquito plant, piliolerial, pudding grass, pulegium, run-by-the-ground, squaw balm, squawmint, stinking balm, tickweed)

Liverand kidney failure, nerve damage, convulsions, abdominal tenderness, burning of the throat; deaths reported.

None

Scullcap(Scutellaria lateriflora, blue pimpernel, helmet flower, hoodwort, mad weed, mad-dog herb, mad-dog weed, quaker bonnet, scutelluria, skullcap)

Abnormalliver function or damage.

None

Yohimbe (Pausinystalia yohimbe, johimbi, yohimbehe, yohimbine)

Changein blood pressure, heart arrythmias, respiratory depression, heart attack; deaths reported.

None

Re: Re: Side effects

I'll do some research, I havent heard or read that ginko is bad for the liver,, I have tons of books on herbs,, lemme take alook,, Ill post what I find tomorrow <marvindamartian05 > wrote:

Maybe I am mistaken? *GASP* LOLI hope I am, because gingko is great for keeping the mind sharp. Let me try and remember where I heard/read that. > > > > >> > > > >> > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am going> > to> > > > give this> > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > does?> > > > Be sure> > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > >> > > > > Nikki> > > > >> > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. It> > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and still am> > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > much> > > > water> > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > 6oz> > > > per> > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > trace> > > > of> > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and 2yr> > > blood> > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for Hep> > > C. I> > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > believe> > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole fruit> > > > puree so> > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not want to> > > > take> > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the Interferon> > he> > > > viral> > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made the> > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > >> > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We hope> > > you> > > > have found> > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > >> > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to our> > > > group, just> > > > > click the link--> > > Hepatitis C/> > > > >> > > > > Happy Posting> > > > >

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Ginko or any other suppliment has the potential to cause an already compromised liver to fail . And ginko has drug interactions with normal everyday medications . I am going to be posting some more information on herbals dangers later today .

Re: Side effects

Yes, I read that someplace and can't remember where. I bought some Ginkgo and decaf green tea, because it claims to "support mental alertness and memory, help maintain a healthy immune system". On the Salam Research site, they have ginkgo leaf listed in the HCV protocol, so I figured it was safe for the liver. So I am confused!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am > going> > > to> > > > > give this> > > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > > does?> > > > > Be sure> > > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > > >> > > > > > Nikki> > > > > >> > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. > It> > > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and > still am> > > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > > much> > > > > water> > > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > > 6oz> > > > > per> > > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > > trace> > > > > of> > > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and > 2yr> > > > blood> > > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for > Hep> > > > C. I> > > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > > believe> > > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole > fruit> > > > > puree so> > > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the beverage.> > > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not > want to> > > > > take> > > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the > Interferon> > > he> > > > > viral> > > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made > the> > > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > > >> > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We > hope> > > > you> > > > > have found> > > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > > >> > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to > our> > > > > group, just> > > > > > click the link--> > > > Hepatitis C/> > > > > >> > > > > > Happy Posting> > > > > >

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REMEMBER EVERYONE: EVERYTHING has the potential and "MAY" cause issues in someone.. Even Aspirin or Tylenol "MAY" cause problems in someone.. but this is what I have found... AND REMEMBER THAT EVEN DRUGS from the PHARMACY have huge chances of drug interactions with each other and even with foods.. just because a DRUG is from the PHARMY and has FDA approval does NOT mean its SAFE, or that it WORKS,, or that it cannot interact with other meds or foods... Well from what I have found,,, ginko can cause bleeding in those who are already compromised with platelet issues,thats why they dont want anyone to take ginko before having surgery as it increases the likelihood of bleeding after surgery, so I think that just to be on the 'safe' side, if you have any significant damage from this virus, I'd probably not take it or would take it only in very very small amounts and only infrequently.. but before I took anything, Id talk with my doc about it along with MY

PERSONAL health status,,, everyone is different and each of us are at a different level of health in regards to this virus... IF Ginko is in a HEP formula,, I'd talk with an ND specifically about it and ask them why it is included in this particular formula and ask them about the concerns that have bee issued about Ginko.. and then I'd ask them IF they are willing to be responsible for whatever advice they give you.. elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1@...> wrote: Ginko or any other

suppliment has the potential to cause an already compromised liver to fail . And ginko has drug interactions with normal everyday medications . I am going to be posting some more information on herbals dangers later today . Re: Side effects Yes, I read that someplace and can't remember

where. I bought some Ginkgo and decaf green tea, because it claims to "support mental alertness and memory, help maintain a healthy immune system". On the Salam Research site, they have ginkgo leaf listed in the HCV protocol, so I figured it was safe for the liver. So I am confused!> > > > > >> > > > > >> > > > > > Check out this website. http://www.oilpulling.com/ I am > going> > > to> > > > > give this> > > > > > a try. If it doesn't work it won't hurt you, but what if it> > > > does?> > > > > Be sure> > > > > > and check out the page on user experiences. Cheap, too.> > > > > >> > > > > > Nikki> > > > > >> > > > > > I started drinking mangosteen 3 months into the Interferon. > It> > > > > > literally took away all of the side effects. I was and > still am> > > > > > drinking 6oz per day. I really think the key is to drink as> > >

much> > > > > water> > > > > > as possible during your treatment. I have continued to drink> > > 6oz> > > > > per> > > > > > day over the past 2 years. My 3mo, 6mo blood panels show no> > > > trace> > > > > of> > > > > > viral load also my enzymes are back to normal. My 1yr and > 2yr> > > > blood> > > > > > panels show NO TRACE even though I still show positive for > Hep> > > > C. I> > > > > > believe that the mangosteen has made the difference. I also> > > > believe> > > > > > you have to choose a mangosteen beverage that is a whole > fruit> > > > > puree so> > > > > > that the Xanthone rich pericarp is in the

beverage.> > > > > > I will add that I had a friend with HepC and he did not > want to> > > > > take> > > > > > the mangosteen. Three months after he finished the > Interferon> > > he> > > > > viral> > > > > > load was back to 1million +. I believe the mangosteen made > the> > > > > > difference. Please get in touch for more info.> > > > > >> > > > > > It's a pleasure having you join in our conversations. We > hope> > > > you> > > > > have found> > > > > > the support you need with us.> > > > > >> > > > > > If you are using email for your posts, for easy access to > our> > > > > group, just> > > > > >

click the link--> > > > Hepatitis C/> > > > > >> > > > > > Happy Posting> > > > > >

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>

> How long does it take, once off the medicine, for the side-effects to

> disappear? My husband has been taking simvastatin for 4 months. He

> went off of it a few days ago...some things are geatly improving...for

> example, the lack of desire to do work and the concentration seems to

> be returning...the memory is still somewhat like swiss cheese.

>

> His reaction to simvastatin was better than lovastatin...that was a

> disaster...

>

> So, again, how long should it take to clear out of his entire system?

>

I read that it may take up to a month for most people, but that some

effects linger. My husband has been off Vytorin for two weeks now and

I notice marked improvement in attitude and his paying attention. I

am crossing my fingers.

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>

> How long does it take, once off the medicine, for the side-effects to

> disappear? My husband has been taking simvastatin for 4 months. He

> went off of it a few days ago...some things are geatly improving...for

> example, the lack of desire to do work and the concentration seems to

> be returning...the memory is still somewhat like swiss cheese.

>

> His reaction to simvastatin was better than lovastatin...that was a

> disaster...

>

> So, again, how long should it take to clear out of his entire system?

>

I read that it may take up to a month for most people, but that some

effects linger. My husband has been off Vytorin for two weeks now and

I notice marked improvement in attitude and his paying attention. I

am crossing my fingers.

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I have been off Crestor for ten months and I feel fifty percent better. The last couple of weeks have been good, I have been doing

more things I used to do all the time. Made tamales on Christmas! That was fun.

side effects

How long does it take, once off the medicine, for the side-effects to disappear? My husband has been taking simvastatin for 4 months. He went off of it a few days ago...some things are geatly improving...for example, the lack of desire to do work and the concentration seems to be returning...the memory is still somewhat like swiss cheese.His reaction to simvastatin was better than lovastatin...that was a disaster...So, again, how long should it take to clear out of his entire system?