Side effects

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In a message dated 11/11/07 3:44:38 PM, datawrhsdoc@... writes:

>

> I was on spironoloctone prior to my surgery. Hated the stuff with a

> passion. It gave me abdominal cramping and the runs. Never had a gastro

> problem with any other medication before this one.

>

>

>

Usually the effect of very high doses.

May your pressure be low!

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I bled constantly - had no cycle to speak of. Also found my breast size

increased considerably but with severe pain.

The side effects of spiro were the deciding factor in my surgery. No

ispra in 2002!

Helen in Scotland

>

> How tolerable are the PA patients here with any side effects to

> spironoloctone or aldactone or inspra? For me side effects such as

> nausia are a problem. Also have any female patients noticed changes

in

> their menstrual cycles.... I have.

>

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In a message dated 11/11/07 7:15:20 PM, bayabas76@... writes:

>

> Please correct me if i am wrong, my current understanding is that

> neither Spiro nor Inspra were specifically developed to fight Conn's

> or PA.

>

spiro was developed to block aldosterone in pts with very bad liver disease

as they could not break aldo down and have high renin and retained massive

amounts of fluid.

It was then found to work in PA and was used to control BP and K but if a

bump was found on venography surgery was recommended. as we had not followed

enough PAs long enough to understand that many were get a recurrence of the

disease becasue many have bilateral hyperplasia with one side bigger than the

other.

There has never been a randomized trial in which 1/2 with surgical PA are

assigned to aldo blockers and the othe r1/2 to surgery and they are followed for

5,10 and 20 years to see who does the best. This will likely never be done.

So we are left with " clinical experience and reasoning which can be very

wrong till tested with a trail.

By accumulating experiences in our group we are building what will likely be

the most important database for Conn's.

Still with our a trial all of our specuations are just that.

Inspra was developed as an aldo antangonist and mainly used in heart failure

which also has high aldo and renin. It works remarkably well for high blood

pressure in general and PA specifically. Pfizer has chosen to push it for

CHF and ignored the BP benefits. thus no long term trials in PA or HTN in

general.

> There are no large study conducted. Our group here may in fact

> be the only largest active group concerned about this disease. As far

> as side effects are concerned, it has to be a very major decision to

> make when surgery is considered a better option. We are originally

> designed with two adrenals.

>

And we were originally designed not to have the adrenal(s) make too much

aldo.

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I was on spironoloctone prior to my surgery. Hated the stuff with a

passion. It gave me abdominal cramping and the runs. Never had a gastro

problem with any other medication before this one.

On Nov 10, 2007 10:59 PM, lyndyst <lyndyst@...> wrote:

> How tolerable are the PA patients here with any side effects to

> spironoloctone or aldactone or inspra? For me side effects such as

> nausia are a problem. Also have any female patients noticed changes in

> their menstrual cycles.... I have.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Please correct me if i am wrong, my current understanding is that

neither Spiro nor Inspra were specifically developed to fight Conn's

or PA. There are no large study conducted. Our group here may in fact

be the only largest active group concerned about this disease. As far

as side effects are concerned, it has to be a very major decision to

make when surgery is considered a better option. We are originally

designed with two adrenals.

>

> As we preach on here when drugs fail to control BP or K or have side

effects

> it is time to think about surgery. If data suggests taking out one

adreal

> will help this is recommended (based on AVS). I have advised

taking out both

> adrenals 20 years ago when we did not have the drugs we have today.

Still mignt

> be needed but needs to be weighed carefully. s's is another

major

> problem to manage.

>

>

> In a message dated 11/11/07 1:18:48 PM, helenmpearson@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > I bled constantly - had no cycle to speak of. Also found my breast

size

> > increased considerably but with severe pain.

> >

> > The side effects of spiro were the deciding factor in my surgery. No

> > ispra in 2002!

> >

> > Helen in Scotland

> >

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

> Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

> (sharedcareinc.com)

> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

> Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

>

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

>

>

> **************************************

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>

>

>

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On spiro, my cycle is very irregular ranging from 2 weeks to two months. I know

others on the group experience almost constant bleeding. For me, it is

tolerable, though, and I've noticed that experience fewer PMS symptoms and

break-outs than I did without spiro.

Side effects

How tolerable are the PA patients here with any side effects to

spironoloctone or aldactone or inspra? For me side effects such as

nausia are a problem. Also have any female patients noticed changes in

their menstrual cycles.... I have.

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In a message dated 11/13/07 11:19:36 AM, cornerstone@... writes:

>

> I was 1st on Inspra, and had no side effects. After about 1-1/2 yrs,

> my insurance co decided i should be on spiro instead. Was deathly sick

>

how were you sick?

> the 1st week (at 100 mg/day). but then became used to it and no

> problem. Have noticed some breast tenderness

>

tell your dr and insurance and you should be able to get back on inspra or

lower dose of spiro

> and wondering if this is

> a symptom of spiro, i am post-hysterectomy (total), so no bleeding issues.

>

> kim in mn

>

>

>

May your pressure be low!

Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

(sharedcareinc.com)

Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

and the Physiology and History of Survival During

Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

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I was 1st on Inspra, and had no side effects. After about 1-1/2 yrs,

my insurance co decided i should be on spiro instead. Was deathly sick

the 1st week (at 100 mg/day). but then became used to it and no

problem. Have noticed some breast tenderness and wondering if this is

a symptom of spiro, i am post-hysterectomy (total), so no bleeding issues.

kim in mn

>

> How tolerable are the PA patients here with any side effects to

> spironoloctone or aldactone or inspra? For me side effects such as

> nausia are a problem. Also have any female patients noticed changes in

> their menstrual cycles.... I have.

>

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Dear Dr. Grim,

thanks for the reply.

>

>

> In a message dated 11/13/07 11:19:36 AM, cornerstone@... writes:

>

>

> >

> > I was 1st on Inspra, and had no side effects. After about 1-1/2

yrs, my insurance co decided i should be on spiro instead. Was deathly

sick

> >

>

> how were you sick?

Nauseated and occasionally vomiting

>

> > the 1st week (at 100 mg/day). but then became used to it and no

> > problem. Have noticed some breast tenderness

> >

> tell your dr and insurance and you should be able to get back on

inspra or

> lower dose of spiro

>

Am seeing a new doc (an internist with a 'special interest in

hypertension' -- i think this may be the closest i can get to a

hypertension expert in my remote area) the 1st week in Dec. and will

bring this up with him.

> > and wondering if this is

> > a symptom of spiro, i am post-hysterectomy (total), so no bleeding

issues.

> >

> > kim in mn

> >

> >

> >

Am still wondering, are you saying that the breast tenderness is a

symptom of the spiro for females, and if i was on a lower dose it

would be better? BTW, the 100 mg is split between am and pm.

>

>

>

>

>

> May your pressure be low!

>

> Clarence E. Grim, BS, MS, MD

> Senior Consultant to Shared Care Research and Consulting, Inc.

> (sharedcareinc.com)

> Clinical Professor of Internal Medicine and Epidemiology Med. Col. WI

> Clinical Professor of Nursing, Univ. of WI, Milwaukee

>

> Specializing in Difficult to Control High Blood Pressure

> and the Physiology and History of Survival During

> Hard Times and Heart Disease today.

>

>

>

> **************************************

> See what's new at http://www.aol.com

>

>

>

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I went through the rash. He needs to go to a dermatologist. He will

be prescribed a cream to alleviate the itching and a medicine.

Gisele

land

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Thank you for writing this letter, Gale, about side

effects. Since breathing is for me always a terrible

problem, I think of treatment as a possible help. Your

letter reminds me that it could make my particular

symptoms worse. Carolyn

--- Gale Senter <gsenter@...> wrote:

> My husband finished 4 rounds of FCR about 2 months

> ago which,

> fortunately, put him in a complete remission. The

> side effects,

> however, continue. It is difficult for him to walk

> even a block without

> having to sit down, he gets winded going up the

> stairs of our home, his

> legs are swollen, he is extremely fatigured and has

> a rash all over his

> body. Has anyone gone through anything like this?

> How long does it

> take to recover?

>

>

>

>

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Dear Gale,

I am sorry your husband is having side effects, I have never had a complete remission after my treatments, but I have never had side effects of any kind, however I have read posts from many people over the years telling all the side effects they had.

I do not know the answer but maybe you could try to help each individual side effect with something.

Try finding out what the rash is about, maybe is a food reaction. I never suffered from acidity on my stomag, but last weekend I had friends around for a get together and they brought the food, most of it was sticky sweet and I do not like very sweet things, well I ate the left overs and on Sunday I had a very acid stomag a new experience for me, disappeared after eating some yoghurt.

A lot has been written about fatigue, I have never experienced it, but when my Hb was very low (8.0 and under) and I was not feeling energetic, my daughter used to say, just go and watch a nice film on the TV and do nothing you deserve to have a rest.

We learn something new every day, for instance this morning I went to have a bone marrow biopsy, and after that they had to take some blood for a HLA typing test and the blood did not come after they filled the first bottle, eventually the nurse said, something about me not drinking enough water this morning, I asked her if that make a difference and she said yes there is never a problem if one drinks plenty of water before they take the blood, so I now know, I always drink a lot of water but this morning I was afraid to miss my train and just left the house running after breakfast and no drink at all.

Then my son came to meet me at the hospital and when asking me how it was I said fine, no pain at all, very fast and fine, I said I was lucky I never have a problem with my BMB and he said it is psychological, I did say I was not sure I agreed with him and that pain was pain and could not be any different, well we did not come to a solution about why some people find it painful and I had 5 BMB and all have been fine, could it be the skill of the person doing the work or that some people have a higher threshold pain level than others? who knows.

regards

Chonette

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I had a BMB shortly after I was diagnosed in April 2005 with SLL and while the procedure was unpleasant, I had no after effects. But I agree that pain is pain!

W.

Re:Side Effects

Dear Gale,

I am sorry your husband is having side effects, I have never had a complete remission after my treatments, but I have never had side effects of any kind, however I have read posts from many people over the years telling all the side effects they had.

I do not know the answer but maybe you could try to help each individual side effect with something.

Try finding out what the rash is about, maybe is a food reaction. I never suffered from acidity on my stomag, but last weekend I had friends around for a get together and they brought the food, most of it was sticky sweet and I do not like very sweet things, well I ate the left overs and on Sunday I had a very acid stomag a new experience for me, disappeared after eating some yoghurt.

A lot has been written about fatigue, I have never experienced it, but when my Hb was very low (8.0 and under) and I was not feeling energetic, my daughter used to say, just go and watch a nice film on the TV and do nothing you deserve to have a rest.

We learn something new every day, for instance this morning I went to have a bone marrow biopsy, and after that they had to take some blood for a HLA typing test and the blood did not come after they filled the first bottle, eventually the nurse said, something about me not drinking enough water this morning, I asked her if that make a difference and she said yes there is never a problem if one drinks plenty of water before they take the blood, so I now know, I always drink a lot of water but this morning I was afraid to miss my train and just left the house running after breakfast and no drink at all.

Then my son came to meet me at the hospital and when asking me how it was I said fine, no pain at all, very fast and fine, I said I was lucky I never have a problem with my BMB and he said it is psychological, I did say I was not sure I agreed with him and that pain was pain and could not be any different, well we did not come to a solution about why some people find it painful and I had 5 BMB and all have been fine, could it be the skill of the person doing the work or that some people have a higher threshold pain level than others? who knows.

regards

Chonette

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My Lexapro works much better for me in the morning. I switched to it

after taking Wellbutrin for 2 years and like it much better. The

nausea and sleepy feelng will hopefully go away, but they are a pain in

the butt to deal with at first. I also take klonipin for my panic

attacks and the combo of that and the lexapro keep me feeling calm

minus the zombie feeling. Good luck!

--- oneluv4les <oneluv4les@...> wrote:

> Hi all,

>

> Let me start by giving you some history. I had my first panic attack

> at 20 2000 and I was put on Paxil for a year and gained 40lbs. Then I

> switched to celexa for a few years. I decided to wean off the meds in

> august then early december my attacks came back. My doctor put me

> back

> on celexa. I took it for 3 weeks and I was a zoombie and I had a

> panic

> attack while on it. My doctor then changed me to Lexapro 10 mg 3 days

> ago. The first day I took 5mg and yesterday and today I took the full

> 10mg. I feel so jittery, mild nausea, sleepy and bad insomnia. my

> doctor told me to take it in the morning. How long do these side

> effect last?

>

>

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I also too take Klonopin and my doctor told me to take it 3x a day .5

mg to calm down the jitters. I feel like my life is on hold because of

this

>

> > Hi all,

> >

> > Let me start by giving you some history. I had my first panic attack

> > at 20 2000 and I was put on Paxil for a year and gained 40lbs. Then I

> > switched to celexa for a few years. I decided to wean off the meds in

> > august then early december my attacks came back. My doctor put me

> > back

> > on celexa. I took it for 3 weeks and I was a zoombie and I had a

> > panic

> > attack while on it. My doctor then changed me to Lexapro 10 mg 3 days

> > ago. The first day I took 5mg and yesterday and today I took the full

> > 10mg. I feel so jittery, mild nausea, sleepy and bad insomnia. my

> > doctor told me to take it in the morning. How long do these side

> > effect last?

> >

> >

>

>

>

>

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Drink lots of water. That will help *much* with the sides you do exerience. For

most the weaning on sides go away within a couple of weeks at most and you may

re-experience some level of the same sides during dose increases. You may not.

And, yes, changing the time you take it can help a lot as well. :-)

Barbara

Side Effects

Hi all,

Let me start by giving you some history. I had my first panic attack

at 20 2000 and I was put on Paxil for a year and gained 40lbs. Then I

switched to celexa for a few years. I decided to wean off the meds in

august then early december my attacks came back. My doctor put me back

on celexa. I took it for 3 weeks and I was a zoombie and I had a panic

attack while on it. My doctor then changed me to Lexapro 10 mg 3 days

ago. The first day I took 5mg and yesterday and today I took the full

10mg. I feel so jittery, mild nausea, sleepy and bad insomnia. my

doctor told me to take it in the morning. How long do these side

effect last?

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List everything you are taking.

Any ACE problems in the past?

CE Grim MS, MD

High Blood Pressure Consulting

Clnical Professor of Medicine Medical Colege of Wisconsin

Board certified in Internal Med, Geritrics and Hypertension.

Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

pressure in human populations.

On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:58 PM, gaznik111 wrote:

> Hi all, i have had a slightly swollen left side bottom lip since

> thismorning, it appears to be getting worse.

> I started on inspra 6 weeks ago and i am also on some other meds but

> have been on these for 12 months or so.

> I no this could be an allergic reaction, i havnt banged or dammaged it

> in any way and thought i'd pop on here and see if anyone has any ideas

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inspra 25mg just started 6 weeks ago

co aproval 300mg

amlodepene 10mg

sivmastin 40mg

paramax for headaches

As i said been on all but the inspra for 12 months now, i was not 2 good this

weekend for about 48 hrs prior to this swollen lip coming out. I cant be

definate but i was at my mums and may have accidently taken 2 ibrofen instead

off paracetamol she keeps them in the same cupboard and as i said i cant be sure

but may have taken these by mistake.

Cant think of anything else ive had different.

Just been my GP and he had given me piriton allegry med, he was going to give me

antibiotics so i think he is also unsure what this is. He said observe for the

next few days and to report back if anything changes

Re: Side effects

List everything you are taking.

Any ACE problems in the past?

CE Grim MS, MD

High Blood Pressure Consulting

Clnical Professor of Medicine Medical Colege of Wisconsin

Board certified in Internal Med, Geritrics and Hypertension.

Interests: The effect of recent evolutionary forces on high blood

pressure in human populations.

On Jan 21, 2008, at 12:58 PM, gaznik111 wrote:

> Hi all, i have had a slightly swollen left side bottom lip since

> thismorning, it appears to be getting worse.

> I started on inspra 6 weeks ago and i am also on some other meds but

> have been on these for 12 months or so.

> I no this could be an allergic reaction, i havnt banged or dammaged it

> in any way and thought i'd pop on here and see if anyone has any ideas

[Guest guest]

The prescribing info is what you're looking for. It's here in .PDF format. Save

a copy so you have it when you need to refer to it.

http://www.frx.com/pi/lexapro_pi.pdf

I hate it when doctors don't tell people things they need to know. How high a

dose did she start you on? The dose you start at, for some people, can have a

huge effect on what weaning on side effects they may experience. Some people

have none at all and others have lots. It's very individual for each drug and

each person.

Barbara

Side Effects

Yesterday, when I met with my Psychiatrist, she

gave me 4 sample boxes of Lexapro. I went to their

Website, but couldn't find anything about Side Effects.

I am wondering as to why, my Psychiatrist, would

put me on this Med, without telling me about it

first, other than to take it once a day.

I am concerned about taking this, because this is

the first time, that I have had to take a Medication

for Depression or Anxiety.

Hart

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, I hear ya. My doctor told me nothing! and when I tried to go off the

Lexapro I swear I felt like I was going to die! I am afraid to go off this med

and I am angry about that. I was taking a low dose of xanax for 4 years for

anxiety and I thought it was working fine. My doctor wanted me to get off of it

and put me on Lexapro? I didnt have any side affects going on the drug but when

I tried to come off? SHEEESH! I feel like a drug addict now. I freek out at the

thought of not having it. I think xanax works! and doctors have NO idea what

they are doing to people.

Hart <maria_joy@...> wrote: Yesterday, when I met with my

Psychiatrist, she

gave me 4 sample boxes of Lexapro. I went to their

Website, but couldn't find anything about Side Effects.

I am wondering as to why, my Psychiatrist, would

put me on this Med, without telling me about it

first, other than to take it once a day.

I am concerned about taking this, because this is

the first time, that I have had to take a Medication

for Depression or Anxiety.

Hart

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Then you think, that I should wait until I go back to

my Doctor and discuss my concerns about the

Medicine, before I take it?

I live in Chicago and wish that Public Aide, would

let me have a Medical Card. I need to find a Doctor,

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I had a similar experience with that fuco thin product that was concentrated brown kelp. I wonder if it had so much bromine in it that it caused a problem? I started on the full dose right away of 3 caps a day and I was so freaking irritable I couldn't stand it. It took 3 days after stopping for the effect to wear off completely. I also had the same feeling on the Atomodyne which is supposed to be made according to Edgar Cayce's specifications but I heard the family is not following his instructions on it.

If a supplement goes into mental symptoms like depression of extreme irritability I would absolutely stop and re evaluate. Cleansing without attention to the liver can cause an over flow of toxins into the blood and make you sick. I do voice bio analysis and have tested my voice print while fasting. It was fascinating to see the lymph area clog up and become stressed while my liver energy went down and was not functioning well. I read about coffee enemas and Dr. Gerson and followed his protocol. The achy sluggish feeling went away and my liver function came up as well as my lymph going down to normal. I felt great with lots of energy and no aches. I now recommend it when ever a cleanse is done. You can google it for more info but it dumps toxins straight into the bowel thru the portal vein rather than recirculate them several times till the liver can eliminate them.

Cheryl

Side effects

I started taking Dulce liquid iodine a few weeks ago. At first, my face broke out pretty bad, but that eventually cleared up. The alarming symptoms I got was unbelievable fatigue, and the worst depression I've ever had in my life. Both these symptoms went on and on and on, till I finally just quit taking the iodine a couple of days ago.I understand I was detoxing bromine and flouride. I just didn't think those symptoms would last so long!I think what the problem was was the fact that I'm not clearing the toxins out of my body properly. In other words, not sweating enough and not going to the bathroom enough. Which means that the toxins are being reabsorbed into my central nervous system, causing the depression and fatigue.What could I have done differently? I was drinking TONS of water.Has anyone else had similar symptoms? I also had a rapid heartbeat, and could NOT sleep at all. That got old real quick. lolI did lose a little weight though, that was good.

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Hey do you know if the liver cleansing puts any stress on your adrenals? thanks! annie-----Original Message-----From: iodine [mailto:iodine ] On Behalf Of VoicePrintsSent: Tuesday, March 04, 2008 9:28 PMiodine Subject: Re: Side effects Cleansing without attention to the liver can cause an over flow of toxins into the blood and make you sick. I do voice bio analysis and have tested my voice print while fasting. It was fascinating to see the lymph area clog up and become stressed while my liver energy went down and was not functioning well. I read about coffee enemas and Dr. Gerson and followed his protocol. The achy sluggish feeling went away and my liver function came up as well as my lymph going down to normal. I felt great with lots of energy and no aches. I now recommend it when ever a cleanse is done. You can google it for more info but it dumps toxins straight into the bowel thru the portal vein rather than recirculate them several times till the liver can eliminate them.Cheryl

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I got rashes from every kelp product I tried --but never got a rash from iodine.

I thought maybe it was a contaminant (arsenic, lead, etc from the polluted ocean) but maybe it could just be the bromide.

L.

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I was told by one of my teachers, a naturopathic doctor and a genius to boot, that kelps are not good sources of iodine if you are deficient because they have too much bromine which competes with the iodine for receptor sites.

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The bromine is not IN the kelp-it detoxes it out of

your body, which causes the bad side effects in people

who do not have good liver/colon function, like me.

From what I understand, if you start doing iodine, and

your face breaks out (which mine did, badly), it is

from bromine detox. There is a salt protocol you can

do that relieves those symptoms. You put half a

teaspoon of celtic sea salt in a half a cup of warm

water, and drink it-then follow it immedietely with a

large glass of cold water.

That gets rid of the " crazy feeling " and acne very

well! You have to do it every few hours, and I doubt

that all that salt can be very good for your kidneys.

I just got over my first kidney stone, and do NOT want

to ever go through that again! lol

I've tried Dr. Hulda's liver cleanse, which is

supposed to be the best...three different times. The

first time, I got out 1 small stone. The other two

times, nothing.

I just started doing coffee enemas. I did one on

Sunday, and felt GREAT afterwards, for a few hours. It

was weird-like something bad had been " lifted "

immedietely from my brain-I felt " normal " , if that

makes sense. Depression came back the next day, and I

realized I was constipated again. I have been totally

unable to go to the bathroom since doing the enema on

Sunday.

Last night, I took a very large dose of Magnesium, and

was able to go a little bit this morning.

I KNOW my liver is sluggish-I've had doctors tell me

that. They say I have no stones though, but I

understand that stones do not always show up on

tests-and the fact that I got one out on my first

liver cleanse makes me believe I probably have a lot

more in there, as I have a constant pressure/pain on

my right side under ribcage.

I really want to get my liver and colon in shape

before starting any other cleanses-but HOW do I do it?

Dr. Hulda's cleanse did nothing, and was disgusting

anyway-all that olive oil and epsom salts-YUCK! lol

Any other good liver cleanses out there?

> I had a similar experience with that fuco thin

> product that was concentrated

> brown kelp. I wonder if it had so much bromine in

> it that it caused a

> problem? I started on the full dose right away of 3

> caps a day and I was so

> freaking irritable I couldn't stand it. It took 3

> days after stopping for

> the effect to wear off completely. I also had the

> same feeling on the

> Atomodyne which is supposed to be made according to

> Edgar Cayce's

> specifications but I heard the family is not

> following his instructions on

> it.

>

> If a supplement goes into mental symptoms like

> depression of extreme

> irritability I would absolutely stop and re

> evaluate. Cleansing without

> attention to the liver can cause an over flow of

> toxins into the blood and

> make you sick. I do voice bio analysis and have

> tested my voice print while

> fasting. It was fascinating to see the lymph area

> clog up and become

> stressed while my liver energy went down and was not

> functioning well. I

> read about coffee enemas and Dr. Gerson and followed

> his protocol. The achy

> sluggish feeling went away and my liver function

> came up as well as my lymph

> going down to normal. I felt great with lots of

> energy and no aches. I now

> recommend it when ever a cleanse is done. You can

> google it for more info

> but it dumps toxins straight into the bowel thru the

> portal vein rather than

> recirculate them several times till the liver can

> eliminate them.

>

> Cheryl

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> Side effects

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> I started taking Dulce liquid iodine a few weeks

> ago. At first, my

> face broke out pretty bad, but that eventually

> cleared up. The

> alarming symptoms I got was unbelievable fatigue,

> and the worst

> depression I've ever had in my life. Both these

> symptoms went on and

> on and on, till I finally just quit taking the

> iodine a couple of

> days ago.

>

> I understand I was detoxing bromine and flouride.

> I just didn't

> think those symptoms would last so long!

>

> I think what the problem was was the fact that I'm

> not clearing the

> toxins out of my body properly. In other words,

> not sweating enough

> and not going to the bathroom enough. Which means

> that the toxins

> are being reabsorbed into my central nervous

> system, causing the

> depression and fatigue.

>

> What could I have done differently? I was

> drinking TONS of water.

>

> Has anyone else had similar symptoms? I also had

> a rapid heartbeat,

> and could NOT sleep at all. That got old real

> quick. lol

>

> I did lose a little weight though, that was good.

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