Side effects

February 1, 2005

There are all kinds of sides to these drugs that some people may or may not

experience. Others here have experience with Lexapro. I took Celexa, which

is the drug that preceded Lexapro and which Lex is based on. I had a lot of

sides with the Celexa. Back pain, which I still have but not as bad as it

was, though I can't say for sure that the Celexa caused it. I was taking the

Celexa when it started. The pain you describe is similiar to what I

experience. It's in my lower back and feels like it's in the back of my

hips. It's at it's worst in the mornings.

I also had terrible twitching in my lower legs and feet at night. Like

restless leg syndrome. Trying to think of other unusual sides I had...hot

flashes/sweating. Quite a few people have those though. And the memory

problems. Whew...those were bad.

If I think of any more I'll let you know.

Barbara

Side effects

>

> Has anyone had or know someone who had bizarre side effects to

> lexapro. Since I started it I developed aches under my armpits and

> down my sides and occassional burning sensations on legs and back. I

> went to the doctor and he said it wasn't lymphatic and did all kinds

> of blood tests which all came out fine and just attributed it to

> stress, but I have had these symptoms for 2 months now.

February 3, 2005

Yep there is increased sweating with both Lexapro and Celexa. I first

started with Celexa and my sweating was terrible. I was embarassed by

it. Funny the second time on Celexa and then Lexapro I had no

sweating at all. It is very possible that your body will adjust to

the med and the sweating will decrease.

Emma

>

> Has anyone noticed sweating more than usual on lexapro? When I take

a

> bath my forehead will become completely full of perspiration. It is

> 30 degrees out and I worked up a sweat taking out the trash? I am

> hypersensitive to medicines I guess. I had not taken any medicines

> for over 15 years and got an infection where they prescribed cipro

> and it made me so paranoid that I progressed to being prescribed

the

> lexapro.

February 3, 2005

That was a side effect of both Celexa and Lexapro for me. However, it

was one that went away fairly quickly.

>

> Has anyone noticed sweating more than usual on lexapro? When I take

a

> bath my forehead will become completely full of perspiration. It is

> 30 degrees out and I worked up a sweat taking out the trash? I am

> hypersensitive to medicines I guess. I had not taken any medicines

> for over 15 years and got an infection where they prescribed cipro

> and it made me so paranoid that I progressed to being prescribed

the

> lexapro.

February 8, 2005

My daughter sweats alot since she began lexapro. It definately

affected her armpits. She can only wear certain colors because it is

so intense.

I do not know of any pain. She does have joint pain.

debbie

on legs and back. I

> >

> > went to the doctor and he said it wasn't lymphatic and did all

kinds

> >

> > of blood tests which all came out fine and just attributed it to

> > stress, but I have had these symptoms for 2 months now.

> >

February 19, 2005

> Araujo <laqa@u...> wrote:

> I have one question, does this treatment present any risks? Her

> oncologyst said Dr 's treatment could be dangerous due to side

> effects or cancer infected cell number increase.

> Thanks and health for all.

>

> .

Hello , I am not a scientist or a doctor and I am not an expert on

Dr. 's methods of healing. I haven't asked your wife's oncologyst

for his references, but it sounds to me like he is being protective of

your wife, you and his ego. Here is a reference which explains how the

body's cells use electricity to fight cancer:

Electricity for Health in the 21st Century by Carol Punt

http://sharinghealth.com/products/reviewEFH.html

http://www.synchronicity.org/detail.aspx?ID=492

Maybe this will explain it: With the following enzymes, the blood

cells do the zapping. 's unit 'juices' the cells with positive

electricity to give them a fighting chance against pathogens.

" NADPH is an electron carrier. The molecule exists in two forms that

vary in whether or not they are carrying electrons. " The two forms

surround the unwanted cell and discharge a pulse of electricity

through it between themselves to stabilize their polarities.

NADPH

http://www.aw-bc.com/mathews/molex/nadph.htm

NADP

http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/N/NAD.html

Phagocytic cells (from wikipedia.org)

The second-line defense includes phagocytic cells, which includes

macrophages and neutrophil granulocytes (polymorphonuclear leukocytes,

PMN) that can engulf (phagocytose) foreign substances. Macrophages are

thought to mature continuously from circulating monocytes.

Phagocytosis involves chemotaxis, where phagocytic cells are attracted

to microorganisms by means of chemotactic chemicals like microbial

products, complements, damaged cells and white blood cell fragments;

chemotaxis is followed by adhesion, where the phagocyte sticks to the

microorganism. Adhesion is enhanced by opsonization, where proteins

like opsonins are coated on the surface of the bacterium. This is

followed by ingestion, in which the phagocyte extends projections,

forming pseudopods that engulf the foreign organism. Finally the

bacterium is digested by the enzymes in the lysosome.

You may want to post your question on one of these other groups also:

http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Hulda-

/

Dig through Curezone.com to see what you find. They have a forum for

cancer, too. http://curezone.com/diseases/cancer/

Take care,

February 19, 2005

Medical doctors are great at denigrating natural methods...

> > I have one question, does this treatment present any risks? Her

> > oncologyst said Dr 's treatment could be dangerous due to

side

> > effects or cancer infected cell number increase.

> > Thanks and health for all.

> >

> > .

>

> Hello , I am not a scientist or a doctor and I am not an

expert on

> Dr. 's methods of healing. I haven't asked your wife's

oncologyst

> for his references, but it sounds to me like he is being

protective of

> your wife, you and his ego. Here is a reference which explains how

the

> body's cells use electricity to fight cancer:

>

> Electricity for Health in the 21st Century by Carol Punt

> http://sharinghealth.com/products/reviewEFH.html

> http://www.synchronicity.org/detail.aspx?ID=492

>

> Maybe this will explain it: With the following enzymes, the blood

> cells do the zapping. 's unit 'juices' the cells with positive

> electricity to give them a fighting chance against pathogens.

>

> " NADPH is an electron carrier. The molecule exists in two forms

that

> vary in whether or not they are carrying electrons. " The two forms

> surround the unwanted cell and discharge a pulse of electricity

> through it between themselves to stabilize their polarities.

>

> NADPH

> http://www.aw-bc.com/mathews/molex/nadph.htm

> NADP

> http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/N/NAD.html

>

> Phagocytic cells (from wikipedia.org)

>

> The second-line defense includes phagocytic cells, which includes

> macrophages and neutrophil granulocytes (polymorphonuclear

leukocytes,

> PMN) that can engulf (phagocytose) foreign substances. Macrophages

are

> thought to mature continuously from circulating monocytes.

>

> Phagocytosis involves chemotaxis, where phagocytic cells are

attracted

> to microorganisms by means of chemotactic chemicals like microbial

> products, complements, damaged cells and white blood cell

fragments;

> chemotaxis is followed by adhesion, where the phagocyte sticks to

the

> microorganism. Adhesion is enhanced by opsonization, where proteins

> like opsonins are coated on the surface of the bacterium. This is

> followed by ingestion, in which the phagocyte extends projections,

> forming pseudopods that engulf the foreign organism. Finally the

> bacterium is digested by the enzymes in the lysosome.

>

> You may want to post your question on one of these other groups

also:

> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Hulda-

> /

> Dig through Curezone.com to see what you find. They have a forum

for

> cancer, too. http://curezone.com/diseases/cancer/

>

> Take care,

February 19, 2005

Re: Side effects

>

>> Araujo <laqa@u...> wrote:

>> I have one question, does this treatment present any risks? Her

>> oncologyst said Dr 's treatment could be dangerous due to side

>> effects or cancer infected cell number increase.

>> Thanks and health for all.

>>

>> .

>

> Hello , I am not a scientist or a doctor and I am not an expert on

> Dr. 's methods of healing. I haven't asked your wife's oncologyst

> for his references, but it sounds to me like he is being protective of

> your wife, you and his ego. Here is a reference which explains how the

> body's cells use electricity to fight cancer:

>

> Electricity for Health in the 21st Century by Carol Punt

> http://sharinghealth.com/products/reviewEFH.html

> http://www.synchronicity.org/detail.aspx?ID=492

>

> Maybe this will explain it: With the following enzymes, the blood

> cells do the zapping. 's unit 'juices' the cells with positive

> electricity to give them a fighting chance against pathogens.

>

> " NADPH is an electron carrier. The molecule exists in two forms that

> vary in whether or not they are carrying electrons. " The two forms

> surround the unwanted cell and discharge a pulse of electricity

> through it between themselves to stabilize their polarities.

>

> NADPH

> http://www.aw-bc.com/mathews/molex/nadph.htm

> NADP

> http://users.rcn.com/jkimball.ma.ultranet/BiologyPages/N/NAD.html

>

> Phagocytic cells (from wikipedia.org)

>

> The second-line defense includes phagocytic cells, which includes

> macrophages and neutrophil granulocytes (polymorphonuclear leukocytes,

> PMN) that can engulf (phagocytose) foreign substances. Macrophages are

> thought to mature continuously from circulating monocytes.

>

> Phagocytosis involves chemotaxis, where phagocytic cells are attracted

> to microorganisms by means of chemotactic chemicals like microbial

> products, complements, damaged cells and white blood cell fragments;

> chemotaxis is followed by adhesion, where the phagocyte sticks to the

> microorganism. Adhesion is enhanced by opsonization, where proteins

> like opsonins are coated on the surface of the bacterium. This is

> followed by ingestion, in which the phagocyte extends projections,

> forming pseudopods that engulf the foreign organism. Finally the

> bacterium is digested by the enzymes in the lysosome.

>

> You may want to post your question on one of these other groups also:

> http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Hulda-

> /

> Dig through Curezone.com to see what you find. They have a forum for

> cancer, too. http://curezone.com/diseases/cancer/

>

> Take care,

>

February 19, 2005

Hello ,

I'm sorry to hear your wife is dealing with cancer again. Please give

her my best.

You asked and commented

" Her oncologist said Dr 's treatment could be dangerous due to side effects

or cancer infected cell number increase. I apologize for the question, as of

course this is a pro Dr group, but I (we) need some reassurance. Her onco

made her think twice. "

I'm sorry but now I have a few questions. Did your wife think twice about

having chemo? A drug based on mustard gas, so toxic that a technician has to

wear gloves and a mask? A drug that destroys good, healthy cells while also

destroying your immune system, that more times than not, causes another cancer

because of the damage to vital organs? Is your wife that willing to deal with

the risks of chemo?

Dr. 's protocol has worked for many, no one has lost their hair in the

process that I am aware of, healthy cells and the immune system are repaired and

work more efficiently, other maladies can be cured while doing the protocol.

Unfortunately for your wife's onocologist, he stands to lose a lot of money if

your wife chooses to go the holistic, natural route. I believe with all my

heart, this man knows NOTHING about Dr. 's protocols because if he did, he

would never poison another patient and call it medicine. , you know alot

more than he does!!

, please don't take offense, but you and your wife need to decide what is

right for her. While doing Dr. 's protocol you are trying to repair her

health, while the chemo does more damage, possibly to the point of no return.

I do understand your concerns and I sympathize with you, but I hope your

research led you here because you believe in Dr. 's work and truly wish to

do her protocols exactly, which does not include chemo. Dr. 's methods

can't possibly work if you interfere with it's healing properties.

IS there a risk? Yes. I'm sure that some things don't work for some people,

but the true risk is not doing it right.

MY best to you both, and please keep us informed.

Diane

Araujo wrote:

>Hi there, my wife is about to begin Dr 's basic protocol for the first

time. We got a zapper and the Parasite Cleanse with Extra Strength Tincture from

DrStore.com. She had breast cancer, operated partial mastectomy 5 years

ago, found metastases 1 year ago, and is going through chemotherapy. She had

metastases regression at lungs but she still has nodes at the lungs and liver.

We found out about Dr only this year. I have one question, does this

treatment present any risks?

>

>Thanks and health for all.

>

>.

>

February 20, 2005

,

If we'd listened to my brother's oncologist, my 34 year old brother would

have died last year. He was stage 5 colon.(spread to liver, kidneys, lungs,

testes, lymph) We did Dr. 's late stage 21 day cleanse, along with a

_rife machine_ (http://www.royalrifemachine.com) , and he was pronounced cancer

free 45 days later. (We believe it was sooner than that, but that's the

soonest we had a doctor run blood tests body scans.)

Not one side effect has ever been attributed to Dr.s protocols, except

maybe the " herxeimer effect " (that sick feeling you get when you do an

effective cleanse or protocol and toxins (dead cancer viruses, parasites,

etc..)

begin flooding the bloodstream)

Ask your onco what his success rate is for curing people with his methods!

Dr. clark is 90%+ effective.

February 20, 2005

Where do you get the 90% cure rate from? I'm sure Dr. 's methods have some

validity, however, if it was as high as you say, the clincs in Mexico Germany

and elsewhere would run trials so they would have the scientific evidence

needed to force govt's to change their attitude.

In addition, you need to have at least 10 years behind you to be considered

cured and even that in today's world is optimistic.

Allan

chadnnina@... wrote:

,

If we'd listened to my brother's oncologist, my 34 year old brother would

have died last year. He was stage 5 colon.(spread to liver, kidneys, lungs,

testes, lymph) We did Dr. 's late stage 21 day cleanse, along with a

_rife machine_ (http://www.royalrifemachine.com) , and he was pronounced cancer

free 45 days later. (We believe it was sooner than that, but that's the

soonest we had a doctor run blood tests body scans.)

Not one side effect has ever been attributed to Dr.s protocols, except

maybe the " herxeimer effect " (that sick feeling you get when you do an

effective cleanse or protocol and toxins (dead cancer viruses, parasites, etc..)

begin flooding the bloodstream)

Ask your onco what his success rate is for curing people with his methods!

Dr. clark is 90%+ effective.

February 20, 2005

They probably do use 's methods, but the medical establishment

would never acknowledge it.

>

> ,

>

> If we'd listened to my brother's oncologist, my 34 year old

brother would

> have died last year. He was stage 5 colon.(spread to liver,

kidneys, lungs,

> testes, lymph) We did Dr. 's late stage 21 day cleanse, along

with a

> _rife machine_ (http://www.royalrifemachine.com) , and he was

pronounced cancer

> free 45 days later. (We believe it was sooner than that, but

that's the

> soonest we had a doctor run blood tests body scans.)

>

> Not one side effect has ever been attributed to Dr.s

protocols, except

> maybe the " herxeimer effect " (that sick feeling you get when you

do an

> effective cleanse or protocol and toxins (dead cancer viruses,

parasites, etc..)

> begin flooding the bloodstream)

>

> Ask your onco what his success rate is for curing people with his

methods!

> Dr. clark is 90%+ effective.

>

February 21, 2005

Hi Art...I found your site very interesting and informative. But

one question. Did you have a mammogram, or biopsy on your breast

lump. I didn't see any reference to how your breast cancer was

diagnosed. Just curious, as I have experienced large, painful, non-

cancerous breast lumps that eventually disappear on their own, as

have some of my friends. Thanks

>

> I had a full recovery from a breast cancer with Hulda's

> method in 1994, as you can read at www.bestzapper.com. She

> says her non-toxic methods do NOT conflict with any other

> approach, and of course do no harm by themselves.

>

> Blessings!

> Arthur

> 888-533-7007

February 23, 2005

---Im not sure I can answer your guestion about the lexapro,,,why did

they take her off that one?

I do know that wellbutrin is the one I would guestion,,I know an

older lady that was out of touch because of the wellbutrin she was

taking.She act very weird while on it.I have taken wellbutrin,,was

was only on it awhile,,it didnt seem to help me at all, except make

me mad--anger,,,,it was a bad time for me, Im doing good on the

lexapro 20mg, today I do feel a bit nervous,,but I think it is just

what happens to me sometimes,,I can get a handle on it now,,,didnt

use to.I was on stattera to for a.d.d and I have gotton myself off of

that,so that might be a reaction Im having from that one,,,but I

decided I have to get myself off some of these meds.But the lexapro I

will stay on awhile more.

Star

In Lexapro , " kayekaye1950 " <kpaletz@n...> wrote:

>

> My 87 year old mother has been on lexapro and welbutrin for a few

> months now. Her doctor in the hospital (who did not know her) took

> her off the lexapro. I think she is more lethargic without the

> lexapro and want her back on it. Does this seem reasonable. What

> side effects does taking someone off lexapro usually show.

February 24, 2005

Thanks Art for answering my question offline. I was very sorry to

read that you didn't have a biopsy, mammogram, ultrasound or even a

doctor's opinion that you had breast cancer......but that you self-

diagnosed yourself and then claimed to have cured cancer when

whatever you had disappeared. Perhaps it was cancer, but it sure

would be nice to know that for certain. It was also stated, in your

message to me, that your friend Dr. e claims her protocol's

cure 90+% of people of cancer.

Please fellow members if you have really been cured by Dr. e's

protocols, of a properly diagnosed tumour type of cancer with

absolutely no radiation, chemo or medical intervention.....would you

please post your testimonial here.

In 3 yrs of reading these posts and those on the cancer cured group,

I have seen several people die and others disappear after becoming

sicker and sicker as their cancer progressed despite following Dr.

e's protocols, but not one person would can truthfully say they

were cured of anything more serious than skin cancer. Lots of

friends of friends have reportly been healed....but not one out of

the nearly 3000 members of these 2 have reported that

they have been cured. if over 90% of the people are cured.....would

even one of you please speak up!!! Where are you hiding????? We

need to hear from you to give us hope that we too shall survive this

disease.

Despite following Dr. e's protocols faithfully for the past 3

yrs my friend Mel's oral cancer continues to grow. It is extremely

discouraging to know that he is in that 5% that can't be cured by

her protocols....or are these numbers inflated?

Thanks to all.....

> >

> > I had a full recovery from a breast cancer with Hulda's

> > method in 1994, as you can read at www.bestzapper.com. She

> > says her non-toxic methods do NOT conflict with any other

> > approach, and of course do no harm by themselves.

> >

> > Blessings!

> > Arthur

> > 888-533-7007

February 24, 2005

Just for the record, it would be good to know how perfectly

Mel has followed Dr. 's approach. I recall that he is

using quite a few protocols beside hers, including untested

supplements that may be " polluted " per Dr. 's methods.

It may also be that he is in the 5% you mentioned.

As for the wisdom of biopsies and " medical proof, " Mel just

told me that his cancer was contained and manageable UNTIL

THE BIOPSY, which set things on fire and spread it. I have

heard that story many a time, and had no desire to go down

that road. Of course you know, , that using the

official published figures, the " health care " system is the

#1 cause of death in the US, with almost 800,000 victims in

2001. See " Death by Medicine " at

http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedic\

ine1.htm

for the grisly details. One that surprised me was the

115,000 deaths from BED SORES each year - they cannot even

handle those! Who would have expected Superman

Reeve to succumb to a bed sore, of all things?

By the way, here is the off-line response you referred to:

" Having done a fair bit of research after the first cancer,

I was not about to have the doc cut on me and spread

anything. The tumor was growing quite aggressively by

October, and had " roots " extending to my left armpit. I have

also read a fair bit on the inaccuracy of medical testing

(see Dr. S. Mendelsohn's " Dissent in Medicine " and

" Confessions of a Medical Heretic " for starters).

I regularly get calls from folks who have been cured by Dr.

's approach used at home. It is " anecdotal " but

credible. I have also asked Dr. herself, and she says

she has recorded a >90% success rate with her patients over

the years, ands is doing about 95% with her present Stage 4

people. "

Blessings!

Arthur

www.bestzapper.com

Re: Side effects

>

> Thanks Art for answering my question offline. I was very

sorry to

> read that you didn't have a biopsy, mammogram, ultrasound

or even a

> doctor's opinion that you had breast cancer......but that

you self-

> diagnosed yourself and then claimed to have cured cancer

when

> whatever you had disappeared. Perhaps it was cancer, but

it sure

> would be nice to know that for certain. It was also

stated, in your

> message to me, that your friend Dr. e claims her

protocol's

> cure 90+% of people of cancer.

>

> Please fellow members if you have really been cured by Dr.

e's

> protocols, of a properly diagnosed tumour type of cancer

with

> absolutely no radiation, chemo or medical

intervention.....would you

> please post your testimonial here.

>

> In 3 yrs of reading these posts and those on the cancer

cured group,

> I have seen several people die and others disappear after

becoming

> sicker and sicker as their cancer progressed despite

following Dr.

> e's protocols, but not one person would can

truthfully say they

> were cured of anything more serious than skin cancer. Lots

of

> friends of friends have reportly been healed....but not

one out of

> the nearly 3000 members of these 2 have

reported that

> they have been cured. if over 90% of the people are

cured.....would

> even one of you please speak up!!! Where are you

hiding????? We

> need to hear from you to give us hope that we too shall

survive this

> disease.

>

> Despite following Dr. e's protocols faithfully for

the past 3

> yrs my friend Mel's oral cancer continues to grow. It is

extremely

> discouraging to know that he is in that 5% that can't be

cured by

> her protocols....or are these numbers inflated?

>

> Thanks to all.....

February 24, 2005

It always bothers me when so called credible sources bandy around figures like

90 or 95% cure ratios. Am I alone in my scepticism?

Allan

Arthur Doerksen <ad7@...> wrote:

Just for the record, it would be good to know how perfectly

Mel has followed Dr. 's approach. I recall that he is

using quite a few protocols beside hers, including untested

supplements that may be " polluted " per Dr. 's methods.

It may also be that he is in the 5% you mentioned.

As for the wisdom of biopsies and " medical proof, " Mel just

told me that his cancer was contained and manageable UNTIL

THE BIOPSY, which set things on fire and spread it. I have

heard that story many a time, and had no desire to go down

that road. Of course you know, , that using the

official published figures, the " health care " system is the

#1 cause of death in the US, with almost 800,000 victims in

2001. See " Death by Medicine " at

http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/DeathByMedic\

ine1.htm

for the grisly details. One that surprised me was the

115,000 deaths from BED SORES each year - they cannot even

handle those! Who would have expected Superman

Reeve to succumb to a bed sore, of all things?

By the way, here is the off-line response you referred to:

" Having done a fair bit of research after the first cancer,

I was not about to have the doc cut on me and spread

anything. The tumor was growing quite aggressively by

October, and had " roots " extending to my left armpit. I have

also read a fair bit on the inaccuracy of medical testing

(see Dr. S. Mendelsohn's " Dissent in Medicine " and

" Confessions of a Medical Heretic " for starters).

I regularly get calls from folks who have been cured by Dr.

's approach used at home. It is " anecdotal " but

credible. I have also asked Dr. herself, and she says

she has recorded a >90% success rate with her patients over

the years, ands is doing about 95% with her present Stage 4

people. "

Blessings!

Arthur

www.bestzapper.com

Re: Side effects

>

> Thanks Art for answering my question offline. I was very

sorry to

> read that you didn't have a biopsy, mammogram, ultrasound

or even a

> doctor's opinion that you had breast cancer......but that

you self-

> diagnosed yourself and then claimed to have cured cancer

when

> whatever you had disappeared. Perhaps it was cancer, but

it sure

> would be nice to know that for certain. It was also

stated, in your

> message to me, that your friend Dr. e claims her

protocol's

> cure 90+% of people of cancer.

>

> Please fellow members if you have really been cured by Dr.

e's

> protocols, of a properly diagnosed tumour type of cancer

with

> absolutely no radiation, chemo or medical

intervention.....would you

> please post your testimonial here.

>

> In 3 yrs of reading these posts and those on the cancer

cured group,

> I have seen several people die and others disappear after

becoming

> sicker and sicker as their cancer progressed despite

following Dr.

> e's protocols, but not one person would can

truthfully say they

> were cured of anything more serious than skin cancer. Lots

of

> friends of friends have reportly been healed....but not

one out of

> the nearly 3000 members of these 2 have

reported that

> they have been cured. if over 90% of the people are

cured.....would

> even one of you please speak up!!! Where are you

hiding????? We

> need to hear from you to give us hope that we too shall

survive this

> disease.

>

> Despite following Dr. e's protocols faithfully for

the past 3

> yrs my friend Mel's oral cancer continues to grow. It is

extremely

> discouraging to know that he is in that 5% that can't be

cured by

> her protocols....or are these numbers inflated?

>

> Thanks to all.....

February 24, 2005

Hi ,

I am going on 6 years after a breast cancer clinical diagnosis, and 2

minor surgeries, a lumpectomy and re-excition. I refused chemo,

radiation and toxic " hormone therapy " . I've been using Dr. 's

methods for over 5 years and have posted on this board many times

over the years and other discussion lists that you and Mel also go to.

Over the years I responded several times to his list inquiries,

offering suggestions and asking him about his protocol. At the time I

recall thinking to myself that he was not doing anything similar to

the program that I was doing.

Sadly, I have met a number of people with cancer on lists that say

they want to do Dr. 'sprogram, but for one reason or another

they just can't seem to stay focused on actually doing it.

Where are you hiding????? We

> need to hear from you to give us hope that we too shall survive

this

> disease.

>

> Despite following Dr. e's protocols faithfully for the past 3

> yrs my friend Mel's oral cancer continues to grow. It is extremely

> discouraging to know that he is in that 5% that can't be cured by

> her protocols....or are these numbers inflated?

>

> Thanks to all.....

February 24, 2005

Thanks for your response , but you have had two minor surgeries,

a lumpectomy and re-excition (whatever that is) ;-)....I'm looking

for someone who has not had any medical intervention...just followed

Dr. e's protocols. She claims no medical intervention is

necessary.

Over the past 3 yrs. Mel has used a zapper faithfully at least once

and sometimes twice a day for about 2 yrs until he got weary of it,

but is once again using it. He has used absolutely no cleaning

products not on the list, either in his house or on his body. Uses

glass cookware. Eats only the foods Dr. e indicates are safe.

Constantly does parasite cleanses...has done the kidney, and liver

cleanses. He has no teeth and has had xrays to ensure there is no

amalgam buried in his jaw. Drinks only pure unchlorinated water. He

could not afford a syncrometer so has missed that part of the

program I'll admit...but then that isn't supposed to be totally

necessary. In addition to this he has added some herbal supplements

such as essiac, Q 10, bromalaids, fucodian, etc.

What are we missing???

> Where are you hiding????? We

> > need to hear from you to give us hope that we too shall survive

> this

> > disease.

> >

> > Despite following Dr. e's protocols faithfully for the past

3

> > yrs my friend Mel's oral cancer continues to grow. It is

extremely

> > discouraging to know that he is in that 5% that can't be cured

by

> > her protocols....or are these numbers inflated?

> >

> > Thanks to all.....

February 24, 2005

Not sure what Mel meant when he told you his cancer was contained

and manageable before he had a biopsy, Art, or if you misunderstood

him. He didn't even think he had cancer before he had a biopsy, so

not sure how it could have been considered manageable...he thought

he just had swollen glands in his neck. The biopsy didn't cause the

cancer to suddenly go crazy or grow out of control...it has just

continued to grow like SCC does, although at a much, much slower

rate than his doctors expected. Within months of the diagnosis and

life style change, the swollen glands in his neck went down, never

to return but the tumour under his tongue continued to grow very,

very slowly. His doctors expected him to be dead within 10 months

without medical intervention and here he is over 3 yrs later,

relatively healthy except for this horrid tumour filling his mouth

and covering his chin. Does this sound like his cancer caught fire

and went out of control after his biopsy? It sure doesn't to me. .

I have outlined how faithfully he has followed the protocols in my

response to ....I don't think anyone could follow them more

carefully.

The vast majority of the herbal supplements he has used have been

purchased through self-health, so should be pure...the rest from

very reputable organic herbal suppliers.

I repeat where are these hordes of people that have been cured of

proven cancerous tumours using Dr. e's protocols, without any

medical intervention....please speak up!!!

Yes I am very skeptical of these figures.

>

> Just for the record, it would be good to know how perfectly

> Mel has followed Dr. 's approach. I recall that he is

> using quite a few protocols beside hers, including untested

> supplements that may be " polluted " per Dr. 's methods.

> It may also be that he is in the 5% you mentioned.

>

> As for the wisdom of biopsies and " medical proof, " Mel just

> told me that his cancer was contained and manageable UNTIL

> THE BIOPSY, which set things on fire and spread it. I have

> heard that story many a time, and had no desire to go down

> that road. Of course you know, , that using the

> official published figures, the " health care " system is the

> #1 cause of death in the US, with almost 800,000 victims in

> 2001. See " Death by Medicine " at

>

http://www.nutritioninstituteofamerica.org/research/DeathByMedicine/D

eathByMedicine1.htm

> for the grisly details. One that surprised me was the

> 115,000 deaths from BED SORES each year - they cannot even

> handle those! Who would have expected Superman

> Reeve to succumb to a bed sore, of all things?

>

> By the way, here is the off-line response you referred to:

>

> " Having done a fair bit of research after the first cancer,

> I was not about to have the doc cut on me and spread

> anything. The tumor was growing quite aggressively by

> October, and had " roots " extending to my left armpit. I have

> also read a fair bit on the inaccuracy of medical testing

> (see Dr. S. Mendelsohn's " Dissent in Medicine " and

> " Confessions of a Medical Heretic " for starters).

>

> I regularly get calls from folks who have been cured by Dr.

> 's approach used at home. It is " anecdotal " but

> credible. I have also asked Dr. herself, and she says

> she has recorded a >90% success rate with her patients over

> the years, ands is doing about 95% with her present Stage 4

> people. "

>

> Blessings!

>

> Arthur

> www.bestzapper.com

>

February 24, 2005

> Over the past 3 yrs. Mel has used a zapper faithfully at least once

> and sometimes twice a day for about 2 yrs until he got weary of it,

> but is once again using it. He has used absolutely no cleaning

> products not on the list, either in his house or on his body. Uses

> glass cookware. Eats only the foods Dr. e indicates are

safe.

> Constantly does parasite cleanses...has done the kidney, and liver

> cleanses. He has no teeth and has had xrays to ensure there is no

> amalgam buried in his jaw. Drinks only pure unchlorinated water. He

> could not afford a syncrometer so has missed that part of the

> program I'll admit...but then that isn't supposed to be totally

> necessary. In addition to this he has added some herbal

supplements

> such as essiac, Q 10, bromalaids, fucodian, etc.

>

> What are we missing???

>

Hi ,

The " etc. " could be creating a problem for him.

Which one of Dr. 's books is he using and what zapper is he

using? Is he plate zapping? I assume he is using Self Health's

black walnut tincture? How much does he take?

Has he had his water tested for laundry bleach?

What has he left out of his program from this list of items taken

from Dr. 's Prevention book?

http://www.you-are-what-you-eat.com/3week-cancer-curing-program.html

February 24, 2005

Hi .

It sounds like mel has a wonderful friend in you.

It's great that despite your concerns you are sticking with the program. A

couple things you said stood out to me.

" Uses glass cookware " I have recently read in Hulda's new book that(pg216, The

Prevention of all cancers) " Choosing plastic, ceramic, or glass cookwear and

food containers gives us even more! They seep mercury, nickel, thalium, and

malonic acid, besides " .

I remember seeing a post from arthur on how to check if your pots are leaking.

Second, " xrays " It is safer to check for mercury with a syncrometer.

Third, " Drinks only pure unchlorinated water " . Have mels water ckecked with a

syncrometer to be sure of its purity.

Hope this helps and good health to you and Mel.

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