MSM

[Guest guest]

We just go down the aisle which has vitamins and there it is: just saying MSM - pure Methylsulfonylmethane

wendy

Re: MSM

So when you go into the feed store you just ask for MSM powder? OR is it known by the long name since it is for the horses? Just curious...but you never know.Send blank message to candidiasis-unsubscribeonelist if you want to UNSUBSCRIBE !

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So when you go into the feed store you just ask for MSM powder? OR is it known by the long name since it is for the horses? Just curious...but you never know.

[Guest guest]

you probably already know this : but drink a lot of water with MSM and take it with Vit C ... i use the powdered (buffered) vit C in water...

wendy

MSM

Well, today will be my second day on MSM. No side effects or allergic reaction.(*knocking on wood*) I think it has helped the spasms in my neck. I will let you know how I like it.

Thanks to all ALWAYS ...for answering all my questions!

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We buy MSM in liquid form at the feed store when we go get feed for the

animals. My husband uses it on sore muscles all the time. Sometimes it

will make him itch. You can dilute it with sterile water.

Joyfully,

Jackie

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Have you got any good sites on MSM.... now that I am going to take it, I want to know more about it. I give my little girl about 1/16th tsp. with the same of Vit c, and any more than that and its a lot of nappies to change. I have been trusting others opinions in giving it to Beks, but really have been negligent in not checking it out myself.

MSM

Well, today will be my second day on MSM. No side effects or allergic reaction.(*knocking on wood*) I think it has helped the spasms in my neck. I will let you know how I like it.

Thanks to all ALWAYS ...for answering all my questions!

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[Guest guest]

I posted the same question and it hasn't been

answered yet, perhaps they are looking for the

answer.

I know what was a good dose for me. I started out

at 1/4 tsp. morning and evening for 1 week and then

upped to 1/2 tsp. I kept it at that for a couple of

months. Then I took 1/2 tsp. once in the morning as

a maintenance dose. It does create gas and the information

on the bottle is if it produces too much gas then to

cut back the dosage. I think 1/2 tsp. is average but

it may depend on your digestive system.

http://www.msm-msm.com/

This website has a message board and reading through it

can answer most of your questions. Buying loose MSM

is cheaper and I forget how many milligrams are in 1

capsule, but it is addressed on their website.

LIZ

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> Date: 4/4/01 2:15:44 PM

> Subject: MSM

>

> I didn't catch all the thread on MSM since the subject line read " grains " .

> Sorry ...I didn't mean to repeat any questions.

>

> I am taking 1000mg. per day.

>

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Hi ,

I have had some MSM in my kitchen for the past few months and haven't tried them simply because I didn't know what it was for. So, I'm going to try it out. My question is the dosage. The bottle, which has 1000 mg tablets, recommends taking 2 tablets two to three times daily. I think that is the reason why it stayed on a shelf, because that seems like an awful lot of pills to be taking. What dosage have you been using, and what is the standard? Please and thanks

-----Original Message-----From: Pratschke [mailto:jonpr@...]Sent: 13-Apr-01 2:39 AM Subject: [ ] MSM

Somebody asked about MSM

The following information was provided by other people on the internet with an interest in alternative medicine. I cannot guarantee that MSM will have any of the effects listed in your case - but I have noted several positive effects myself, and I will simply pass on the information that I have accumulated.

MSM is short for Methylsulfonylmethane, a sulphur mineral present in most plant and animal tissues. It is removed by even light forms of processing, and it is therefore thought that many people are deficient in it. It is often taken as a a natural pain killer and arthritis remedy. Because it is a mineral, stomach acid is needed to make it available to the body. Therefore, it should be taken on an empty stomach, and before taking probiotics, if you take these. MSM is also broken down by lactobacilli in the intestine.

It is necessary for collagen synthesis: skin, hair and nails. MSM keeps cells from becoming rigid, softening skin. MSM scavenges free radicals, helps to relieve allergies to food and pollens. It is essential to liver function, helping the liver to produce sulphur-based amino acids and bile. It also helps the liver to produce choline, a building block that the brain uses in its main neurotransmitter, acetylcholine. It helps to keep mucous membranes properly moistened, detoxifies the body, helps to increase blood circulation and to regulate blood pH. As an energy booster, it can be very effective - to the point where it can stop you from sleeping if you take it before going to bed.

MSM is used in insulin synthesis in the body, it helps to heal wounds without severe scarring and is known to coat the walls of the intestinal tract, acting as a natural 'teflon' layer which makes it difficult for parasites to attach themselves. This function is enhanced by taking the vitamin Biotin. Together, these substances help to reduce the inflammation of mucous membranes and regulate intestinal functioning.

Hope this is of interest and encourages more people to try taking MSM - it won't cure your PA, but you might feel a little better!

[Guest guest]

heather,

i take the msm powder. it has 4000 mg in 1 teaspoon. it says to

start out with 1 teaspoon in the am and 1 teaspoon in the pm usually before

meals . it generally takes from 3 weeks to 2 months to get an effect from it

.. i have found that the powder tastes bad [you have to mix it in one cup of

water. so i drink it down fast. it works better and faster than the pills .

it usually mixes right away and you can tell if it is a good brand asit will

mix up clear and dissolves almost instantly .you can increase the dose to 2

teaspoons if you want as this is what i take .you can mix it with orange or

pinapple juice if you cant take the taste. i would not take it if you are on

blood thinners though . anyway its a personal chi=oice . almost all doctors

are leary of msm but is is basically harmless. it passes out in your urine if

it is not used by the body . i take 2 teaspoons in the morning and 2

teaspoons at supper time and i swear by it.it has reduced my pain and my skin

is completely clear for the first time in 12 years,. ialso take the

eveningprimrose oil. along with my regular meds . enbrel ,celebrx,and

methotrexate . hey it works for me! cathy from mass

[Guest guest]

The best way to find out about MSM is to go to or another search

engine and type in Lignisal MSM or Methylsulfonylmethane. That is what I

did. I also saw part of a show Larry King Live did so I went to the Larry

King archives at cnn.com and there is a show about arthritis and I think it

is April 3,2000 show and they talk about it.

moons

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OH...PS...MSM is an organic natural occuring sulfur...it is derived from

wood from what I understand. We have natural sulfur in our system.

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I have read so many different dosages and many people disagree on how much to take. I worked up to 2000mg. per day in split doses. 1000mg in the am. and 1000mg. in the pm. I am about 140 lbs. if that helps. Just read, read, read to find out about it.

Drink lots of water, don't take it late...it can keep you awake and you can take it in juice or with Vitamin C , from what I have been told.

I went through a day or two of detox when I started taking it....loose bowels, etc. nothing bad. Worked my way to 2000mg.

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[Guest guest]

> Andy,

> In your book it states that MSM " may or may not mobilize mercury "

and

> that it " causes an increase in toxic damage from this mobilized

> mercury without helping get it out of the body " . I have been reading

> that MSM may help kids with phenol problems. So if I am chelating

> with DMSA and ALA should I avoid MSM? Thanks BJ

MSM converts to thiols (in part) and must be avoided by people with

elevated plasma cysteine - a marker for thiols. It is helpful for

those with low plasma cysteine. It is only helpful with the phenols

for those with low cysteine who also have trouble making enough

sulfate but whose enzymes to make and use it are intact. This is a

small subset of the population.

An

[Guest guest]

, MSM, Loose powder, 1/4 tsp. in water or juice in the

morning and mid afternoon, for 1 week. Increase to 1/2 tsp. the

following week. If you can tolerate more than take more.

Also take vitamin C with it because MSM uses this up in your body.

If you get headaches while taking it then this is a sign you are in

short

supply of molybdenum. Supplement this.

I do not know of how much to add, but you can dissolve the loose

powder into aloe vera gel. If the crystals are kind of large, then

warm the lotion so that it dissolves. Apply directly to the site

of

pain. Or you can dissolve MSM in water and apply it to the area

with a compress.

I do know what will really help pain after having surgery. Buy

a

magnet and place it on top of the area that pains as well as the

back. It works for most persons. Some have trouble finding

the

right magnet that works for them. Caution, there are persons

who

are sensitive to using magnetic therapy. Symptoms are

breathlessness,

headache, feeling like passing out, heart palpitations, increase pain

or unusual feeling on skin. If you get any negative symptoms

then

discontinue use!

LIZ D

MSM

Hi everyone,

Well that perennial fav. of MSM hasn't come up in awhile! Anyway, my

brother in law has just had some pretty painful shoulder surgery and none of the

conventional pain killers and anti-inflammatories are doing the job of knocking

the pain off. I have some MSM here that I would like to send to him. The MSM I

have on hand is in a big kind of grainy powder form. So - how should he use it?

Also, how much should he take orally? I got the MSM but never had too much

muscle/joint pain so I hadn't bothered finding out about it. Don't tell me to go

the archives! That's 'cos I can't use if very well with my slow old

computer.....so if anyone can help me out here I would really appreciate

it!

God Bless,

T.

--- rabbitbrain@...

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[Guest guest]

sulfur fights against fungus.

Liz D

MSM

MSM is nothing more than a source of sulphur. If you need sulphur then its

going to help you but its an expensive way to get it.

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[Guest guest]

In a message dated 11/7/01 2:07:38 PM Central Standard Time,

maryschmitt@... writes:

> I've also been giving him small amts of MSM- that's making him hyper, I

> think- anyone else with phenol problems experience that?

>

>

I tried MSM for a few days with my son who has phenol problems. My experience

was that it helped fo rthe first two days, then seemed to cause hyperness.

You may want to look in the files section; Andy does discuss MSM a bit.

Debbie

[Guest guest]

Don't know how much this will help...my son's doctor said some

phenol-troubled people have great success with MSM. There is not toxic

dosage, meaning a healthy person could theoritically take as much as they

wanted. I've read to start slowly, as it may cause release of ???(toxins of

some sort - can't remember) and can cause a die-off effect. In my son, who

has major phenol problems, he's fine after taking 100 mg per day (a very,

very small dose) for three days, but on the fourth he becomes hyperactive.

This has happened several times. Don't know if this means he's detoxing and

it's a good thing or if my son is a " high-sulfur " kid and shouldn't be

receiving high sulfur supplements and foods, so I've stopped using it for now.

[Guest guest]

Are there different forms of MSM? I've seen one, but it says it's for joints,

etc. Is this the same stuff? We are on the West coast. Would appreciate if

someone could give me a brand name and get me " unconfused " . LOL

Many Thanks,

Rhonda in CA

[Guest guest]

i am 120 lbs and 600mg of msm was to much for me, i take about

150/200mg.

its effects are to improve phenol processing by supplying sulphate

which it really does do, also it acts as an anti histamine as far as

i can see, misquito bites do not swell up as much as they usually do

which may also indicate msm reduces immue response which may not be

such a good thing here as there is ross river virus on the east

coast of tasmania here.

so it may act as an anti-allergy as well. it definately helps with

phenol processing as i have been eating quite a bit of apple in

pastries here which would normally give me a migraine(my respone to

phenol overload).

msm is best mixed with water in my expereince and taken before bed

may help with sleep/to relax.

> Hope everyone is having a wonderful holiday season!

>

> Ours has been very tough this year with 's diet. Had to keep

him isolated

> from everyone because he just doesn't understand not taking foods

that aren't

> good for him. And people dropping crumbs everywhere...! Anyway...

>

> His nutritionist recommended he start on MSM. She did tell us the

dosage but

> my dh did not write it down in the notes he was taking (from now

on, I take

> the notes!). I left her a message but she's on vacation right now.

's

> been pretty wild, stimmy, & some tantrums, even though he's having

his

> enzymes & his diet looks clean. He also had charcoal on Sunday

because I

> thought there might have been an infraction I didn't know about.

Didn't calm

> him down though as it had previously for an actual infraction. As

an aside

> question, how often is it safe to give charcoal?

>

> Anyway, my main question was if anyone who uses MSM with their

child knows

> the proper dosage? Can it be mixed in water & syringed down? He is

7 yrs &

> about 50lbs. if that matters.

>

> Thank you in advance,

> Michele

[Guest guest]

> Are there different forms of MSM? I've seen one, but it says it's

for joints, etc. Is this the same stuff?

Yes it is the same stuff. MSM is commonly marketed these days for

joint pain (all those aging baby boomers want to feel their best!).

I bought a container of the pure MSM crystals from Ultra Botanicals

but that was because it was the only thing there. There are lots of

MSM creams, most are 15% MSM.

.

[Guest guest]

In a message dated 1/11/02 5:51:14 PM Central Standard Time, lisa@...

writes:

> Is anyone using MSM? What dosing are you giving your child and what do

> they weigh? What changes have you seen when using MSM?

>

>

I would be careful with MSM. From what I gather, some kids do really well on

it. Others don't. I think it has to do with whether or not they're high or

low sulphur kids. I've read several places (Dr. Amy's website and from Andy

Cutler on the message board) that MSM can move mercury around,

which is not a good thing. So if mercury toxicity is an issue for you, you'd

want to be careful.

On the other hand, Dr. Bradstreet has used MSM with lots of his patients and

his own son with good success. Our DAN doctor suggested trying it on our son.

I tried it three times with identical results, giving only 200 mg per day

(while many kids are given 1000 mg or more per day with good results). In our

experience, day one: drowsy after getting MSM. Day Two and Three: Acting very

good, really with it. Day Four: very hyperactive. On the chance that it's

moving mercury around and that's why the hyperactivity is happening, I've

decided not to keep trying it.

If your child is low sulfur, epsom salts baths or cream are a very safe way

of supplying it.

Hope this helps, not confuses! I guess every child reacts differently. Good

luck,

Debbie

[Guest guest]

just if anyone is interested in what the effect with msm should be if

it works, i take 100mg morning and evening mixed with water(important

as this seems to be easier on the digestion), defintely no

hyperactivity and more relaxed all round as well as feeling

much 'clearer' and beter bile production.

> In a message dated 1/11/02 5:51:14 PM Central Standard Time,

lisa@r...

> writes:

>

>

> > Is anyone using MSM? What dosing are you giving your child and

what do

> > they weigh? What changes have you seen when using MSM?

> >

> >

>

> I would be careful with MSM. From what I gather, some kids do

really well on

> it. Others don't. I think it has to do with whether or not they're

high or

> low sulphur kids. I've read several places (Dr. Amy's website and

from Andy

> Cutler on the message board) that MSM can move

mercury around,

> which is not a good thing. So if mercury toxicity is an issue for

you, you'd

> want to be careful.

>

> On the other hand, Dr. Bradstreet has used MSM with lots of his

patients and

> his own son with good success. Our DAN doctor suggested trying it

on our son.

> I tried it three times with identical results, giving only 200 mg

per day

> (while many kids are given 1000 mg or more per day with good

results). In our

> experience, day one: drowsy after getting MSM. Day Two and Three:

Acting very

> good, really with it. Day Four: very hyperactive. On the chance

that it's

> moving mercury around and that's why the hyperactivity is

happening, I've

> decided not to keep trying it.

>

> If your child is low sulfur, epsom salts baths or cream are a very

safe way

> of supplying it.

>

> Hope this helps, not confuses! I guess every child reacts

differently. Good

> luck,

> Debbie

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

WOW! Thanks so much for that info.

I am battling VERY bad dry skin plus have had tinea versicolor (sp?)

on my neck/chest/face for almost a year! I have spent enough money on

OTC creams that haven't gotten rid of the fungus that I could've went

to the dermotologist!

It sounds like MSM is very beneficial for many areas of one's health!

Do you think it would help in balancing hormones,too? I have a

problem with that(PCOS).I also have Hashi's,I am taking Armour 90

mg/day.

Thanks again,

Jenn

[Guest guest]

Has anyone else had any type of reaction after taking MSM? Based on the

recommendations for it on this mailing list, I tried it (1000mg capsule from

Natrol) and I was ill with an excruicating stomach ach for almost 3 days. I

can't swear that it was the MSM, and in fact I'm hoping that it's not because

I am in desperate need of something to help my hair and skin, as both are

suffering the damaging effects of hypothyroidism, but if it's going to cause

me severe gastrointestinal upset, I can't take it. I'm so afraid to try it

again because if it did make me ill, I dont wish to duplicate it. I'm

thinking that it just could have been that strange stomach flu that's going

around, but it happened immediately after I swallowed the first capsule and

it only intensified after I took the second ( I was taking 1000mg 3 X a day

with food).

I take *alot* of different supplements and herbs to help heal my body

naturally and I've never had a reaction like this before. So I was just

wondering if anyone had the same (or similar) experience with MSM.

Thank you,

Dolores

[Guest guest]

That's unfortunate. From what I have been reading

about the MSM, you might have an initial reaction to

it but that means it's getting rid of the toxins in

your body. It can take anywhere from 2-21 days to see

the effects of it. I did a search and found a few

websites that said MSM was a food, not a drug, and

there is no known cases of anyone overdosing from it

so that was somewhat reassuring. I started taking

3000mg a day (spread out over the day) about 5 days

ago and I can feel a positive difference in my skin,

hair, nails and my mood. When I tried taking 2000mg,

three times a day, I got a headache so I went back to

the 1000mg, 3 times a day. On one of the websites, it

said 3000mg is not really enough to reap the full

benefits of MSM and it is better if taken in bulk

form? They recommended taking something like 20,000mg

which would be really expensive? If anyone has any

info on taking a higher dosage please let me know.

Thanks.

--- Arieldee@... wrote:

> Has anyone else had any type of reaction after

> taking MSM? Based on the

> recommendations for it on this mailing list, I tried

> it (1000mg capsule from

> Natrol) and I was ill with an excruicating stomach

> ach for almost 3 days. I

> can't swear that it was the MSM, and in fact I'm

> hoping that it's not because

> I am in desperate need of something to help my hair

> and skin, as both are

> suffering the damaging effects of hypothyroidism,

> but if it's going to cause

> me severe gastrointestinal upset, I can't take it.

> I'm so afraid to try it

> again because if it did make me ill, I dont wish to

> duplicate it. I'm

> thinking that it just could have been that strange

> stomach flu that's going

> around, but it happened immediately after I

> swallowed the first capsule and

> it only intensified after I took the second ( I was

> taking 1000mg 3 X a day

> with food).

>

> I take *alot* of different supplements and herbs to

> help heal my body

> naturally and I've never had a reaction like this

> before. So I was just

> wondering if anyone had the same (or similar)

> experience with MSM.

>

> Thank you,

> Dolores

>

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[Guest guest]

Dear Dolores,

I am only just now reading this post, as I read on web and dont via

email (anyone who wants to contact me can email me - not that I know

so much <s>), but to answer your question: I dont think it is

uncommon to get stomach problems when first starting MSM. I have to

think back but yes, I did have some, at first. They went away. Oh,

and at that time I had read that you have to gradually increase the

dose .... slowly ... and not to start out with a huge dose. So that

may be part of your stomach problem. You can get this stuff in pretty

low doses, and if you take it after a meal, that will also decrease

that problem. Tho I can understand not wanting to take the chance!

And considering you take lots of herbs, etc., and have never had such

a reaction, well, this is all very unusual and it up to you if you

want to try a smaller dose or forget about it. I can't say. From what

I have read, in time any discomfort is suppose to go away and

starting with lower doses helps that happen. And if it doesnt, this

aint <s> for you. For me, all I can say is that now my skin is so

great, hair has drastically imporved, etc., that only stomach pains

(and believe me, I can relate to those!) would cause me to stop. Tho

such pains may also be revealing an all ready sensitive stomach that

needs to be treated separately.

One last thought comes to mind. A good thing about MSM is that,

unlike herbs for example, its not overly delicate or hard to process,

so you can buy the cheapest brand you can find! The qaulity is all

the same. I buy Natural Balance from Kroggers! <s> I use to take

Natrol, but when I saw this at my local grocery store and saw it was

so much cheaper, I bought that instead and its great!

Hope this helps.

Dear

I have also read that to get the full benefits of MSM ya have to take

exceptionally high doses. For a while I tried it, tho not as high as

you mentioned below, but I went up to 8,000 mg a day. You know what?

I did not notice any difference between 8,000 mg daily and 3,000 mg

daily. Now, I DID notice a difference between none and 1,000 mg. <s>

And I also noticed a difference at 3,000 mg. But it seemed to peek at

3,000 mg so I figured, why waste my money? After all, I was getting

benefit so that was good enough for me. I think they just like to

confuse us sometimes and it also takes us out of touch with what our

body is telling us. Or for their sales. And sure it wont hurt, but

that doesn't mean I would recommend 20,000 mg daily! <s> Oh, and as

for their food theory, that its a food and not a drug so it can't

hurt you. Anyone here ever have indigestion? <g> So in my humble

opinion, being a food does not mean it can't hurt, just means it

can't destroy the way a drug can do. (Matter of fact, that headache

might have been an indication of that.) Too much of a good thing is

not always a good thing anymore. Anyway, its unfortunate that we

can't type up one does for everyone, but we are all individuals and

some need more while others keel over with more, and lots of us are

in the grey areas. (Tho I still think their recommendation of 20,000

was pushing it. ha)

Prtha

> > Has anyone else had any type of reaction after

> > taking MSM? Based on the

> > recommendations for it on this mailing list, I tried

> > it (1000mg capsule from

> > Natrol) and I was ill with an excruicating stomach

> > ach for almost 3 days. I

> > can't swear that it was the MSM, and in fact I'm

> > hoping that it's not because

> > I am in desperate need of something to help my hair

> > and skin, as both are

> > suffering the damaging effects of hypothyroidism,

> > but if it's going to cause

> > me severe gastrointestinal upset, I can't take it.

> > I'm so afraid to try it

> > again because if it did make me ill, I dont wish to

> > duplicate it. I'm

> > thinking that it just could have been that strange

> > stomach flu that's going

> > around, but it happened immediately after I

> > swallowed the first capsule and

> > it only intensified after I took the second ( I was

> > taking 1000mg 3 X a day

> > with food).

> >

> > I take *alot* of different supplements and herbs to

> > help heal my body

> > naturally and I've never had a reaction like this

> > before. So I was just

> > wondering if anyone had the same (or similar)

> > experience with MSM.

> >

> > Thank you,

> > Dolores

> >

>

>

> __________________________________________________

>