Guest guest Posted March 10, 1999 Report Share Posted March 10, 1999 , I am so glad to hear you voice some reluctance to using DMSO. I certainly do not know much about the stuff, however, I used to use it when I had horses and I seem to remember all kinds of warning labels regarding " human " usage. I don't know about others, but I am a little " chicken " to start using something as strong as this topical substance is w/o more info. I certainly have been eating up all the posts pertaining to it and I sure want to thank again those folks like , Mark and others that answered by question regarding MSM. " Lurker " Judy (not this week!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 I avoid burning by putting the DMSO on already wet skin. The other question would be: where did you get your DMSO? It has to be really clean and the best source for that is a vet. rheumatic DMSO From: HPUMOM1@... Dear GRP: I just put DMSO (70% dmso-30%water gel) on are of about 3 " on inside of wrist. It immediately started burning. I left it on for 10 minutes- and had to rinse it off. The burning continues- OUCH! Is this normal? Are you supposed to see improvement right away? Thanks, Carol* (on fire) ------------------------------------------------------------------------ We are proud as punch of our new web site! Onelist: The leading provider of free email community services Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 12, 1999 Report Share Posted March 12, 1999 HPUMOM1@... wrote: > > From: HPUMOM1@... > > Dear GRP: > I just put DMSO (70% dmso-30%water gel) on are of about 3 " on inside of wrist. > It immediately started burning. I left it on for 10 minutes- and had to rinse > it off. The burning continues- OUCH! Is this normal? Are you supposed to > see improvement right away? > Thanks, > Carol* (on fire) This sort of reaction is very common. I find I get that reaction if I put it on full strenth (I was doing this at first because I didn't know any better)... You may want to purchase some liquid DMSO and water it down yourself (remember to use distilled water so you're not pulling contaminates into your body). Studies have shown that although permeability drops as the concentration is reduced, the possibility of skin irratation goes to almost zero at a 50% h2o - 50% DMSO mixture.... Someone mentioned that they put the DMSO on while thier skin is still wet. I would be very careful about this practice, most tap waters have chlorine and flouride added and I wouldn't want to bring those chemicals inside (I don't drink my tap water either). Maybe if you have a good water filter on your shower that is removing most of the imputiries it would be OK, but i'd still be very careful.... As far as the effectiveness goes, I find that I receive almost immediate analgesic benefits and the swelling goes down after 30 to 60 mintues. I have also notice that if the pain is really bad, the DMSO will help but won't make it disappear. If the pain in minor, I find it leaves me for the entire day until around 9 or 10pm when it seems to wear off.... Hope this helps! j. ------------------------------------ ph A. Graff Director of Digital Prepress Graphic Communications, Inc. (301) 599-2020 " Obstacles are those frightful things you see when you take your eyes off your goals " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 5, 2001 Report Share Posted March 5, 2001 Hello Jonah, I buy it at the health food store. It can also be purchased at feed and seed stores as it's often sold as a horse liniment. I may have seen it offered premixed with aloe vera on the internet. No, I don't supplement extra minerals when I use it. Perhaps additional vitamin C but not minerals. Why would I? Saralou Re: Carpal Tunnel > Dear SaraLou, > > Just curious.. I have read about DMSO, but have never heard of anyone > acquiring it for themselves. Where did you find it? Also, do you > supplement your diet with large quantities of minerals during your DMSO > usage? > > Jonah Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 8, 2001 Report Share Posted April 8, 2001 > Hello, > > > A Mexican Doctor is doing a treatment to take out mercury from the body, he > uses DMSO, Does anybody hear anything about this ? > What is DMSO ? Anybody know? > . DMSO is dimethyl sulfoxide. It is a relative of MSM. It is not effective at removing mercury from the body. An Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 , DMSO does seem to me to be a possible alternative to the popular favourites, it actually induces Metallothioneins, and they help manage metals as well as it being a chelator. It is cheap to produce, used in trans-dermal Secretin, and is chemically related to MSM, they are interconvertable, they act together to transport oxygen. For starters: Have a look at......... http://www.Krysalis-sparx.com/dmso.htm http://www.autism-treatment.com/dmso.htm : some have posted before about "Garlic" body & breath odour, worth a look. http://www.dmso.org/articles/mentalretardation/downsyn2.htm Be careful as it can cause allergic reactions, it does not seem to be as well studied as other chelators, and as such the risks are not so well known, it may however be the best thing going! I have also read that it increases cellular permeability, this may aid detox, but may bring on it's own problems. As you are about to find out DMSO is Dimethyl-sulfoxide which is not to be confused with DMSA. Do you have any info on this Doctor? Jon . [ ] DMSO Hello, A Mexican Doctor is doing a treatment to take out mercury from the body, he uses DMSO, Does anybody hear anything about this ? What is DMSO ? Anybody know? . ======================================================= Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Maybe I'm all mixed up on this, but I don't think DMSO does all those things. 1. DMSO does not chelate mercury to any significant degree. The key word is " significant " - it may bind mercury in aqueous solution, but it won't be able to " take it away " from proteins and lipids in the body. 2. DMSO may be able to transport oxygen, but not in a form that is usable by the body. 3. I read through the web sites listed and was able to get a few laughs. The part about spreading the DMSA over his prostate was particularly amusing, since the prostate gland is closer to the anus than the abdominal wall. It was an interesting mental picture. You'll also notice that Dr. Edelson's references dated back to the 1970's (the most recent ones). A lot has been discovered about DMSO since then. Caveat emptor! Jim Laidler > , > > DMSO does seem to me to be a possible alternative to the popular favourites, it actually induces Metallothioneins, and they help manage metals as well as it being a chelator. It is cheap to produce, used in trans-dermal Secretin, and is chemically related to MSM, they are interconvertable, they act together to transport oxygen. > For starters: Have a look at......... > > http://www.Krysalis-sparx.com/dmso.htm > > http://www.autism-treatment.com/dmso.htm : some have posted before about " Garlic " body & breath odour, worth a look. > > http://www.dmso.org/articles/mentalretardation/downsyn2.htm > > Be careful as it can cause allergic reactions, it does not seem to be as well studied as other chelators, and as such the risks are not so well known, it may however be the best thing going! I have also read that it increases cellular permeability, this may aid detox, but may bring on it's own problems. > > As you are about to find out DMSO is Dimethyl-sulfoxide which is not to be confused with DMSA. > > Do you have any info on this Doctor? > > Jon . > > > > [ ] DMSO > > > Hello, > > > A Mexican Doctor is doing a treatment to take out mercury from the body, he > uses DMSO, Does anybody hear anything about this ? > What is DMSO ? Anybody know? > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 9, 2001 Report Share Posted April 9, 2001 Jim, I accept all that you are saying, I don't think it is the way forward and is why I have not chosen to try it. I was trying to give a starting point for someone interested in DMSO. I hope I did not come across as advocating it, I was interested though if there was more info on it bringing out mercury and on the Doctor. Are you disputing that DMSO can induce Metallothioneins? You could check a more credible author on http://www.talkinternational.com/Ax11.htm. Aschner does know his stuff when it comes to MT's, I have come across similar quotes too. I'm keeping an open mind on it at the moment, there are many claims made about it, could some of them be true? Jon. [ ] DMSO> > > Hello, > > > A Mexican Doctor is doing a treatment to take out mercury from the body, he > uses DMSO, Does anybody hear anything about this ? > What is DMSO ? Anybody know? > . > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted April 10, 2001 Report Share Posted April 10, 2001 To Jon Scot, All I know it's its name: Dr Barbosa, he has 2 offices: In Algodones City and Mexicali City, (Tijuana) near San diego. He is having success with a few patients and my friend'sons (2) are doing slow improvement, but they are had been a little time in this treatment. My friend told me that this Dr. usually keep in touch with a Dr, from Oregon and they are realizing or doing research about this kind of aproach, more gently then chelation. If you want the phone#, I can give it to you. Thanks for your response!!! . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 2, 2001 Report Share Posted September 2, 2001 We used DMSO for secretin but I don't think it worked well with our daughter, although I've heard from others that it works very well. You have to be meticulous with the application -- not too much, and make sure the site and anything touching it is very very clean. It will allow other agents through the skin barrier as well, so you have to be careful about bacteria/viruses. Elise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 In a message dated 9/12/01 3:27:03 PM EST, Li_Ping@... writes: << Hi, dear listmates, Does anyone know DMSO? Who has experience to use it? Ping >> I used to use DMSO on my horses, so take what you want from the following! Properties and use of DMSO may have changed a lot since I used it 15 years ago! It is DiMethylSulfOxide. The way I used it on horses was to squeeze it out of a toothpaste-type tube and apply it to a swollen joint. DMSO is (was) known as a carrying agent. Anything you mixed with it would soak deeply into the horse's tissues. For instance, you could mix DMSO and a liniment of some type, and the liniment would penetrate much deeper than if you'd just applied the DMSO by itself. And it stinks! It smells like rotten eggs (sulfer, maybe?). Also, if you touch it to your own skin, you can almost immediately " taste " it in your mouth. A really rotten taste. But I used it a lot and it was very effective on my horses...have no idea how it would apply to our kids, though. Like I said, this was 15 years ago. Hope this helps a tiny bit, Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 12, 2001 Report Share Posted September 12, 2001 > > Hi, dear listmates, > > Does anyone know DMSO? dimethylsulfoxide. Add another oxygen and you get MSM. Remove one and you get dimethylsulfide and a REALLY bad smell. It is not a chelator and is not effective for mercury detox. High sulfur people won't tolerate it, but it is sometimes helpful for low sulfur people. >Who has experience to use it? > > P Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 I know 2 people who have interstitial cystitis who have used DMSO successfully. CB. DMSO > Any one know of a good discussion list on DMSO? Also, has anyone had a > personal experience with it? > Thanks for your help. > Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 26, 2001 Report Share Posted September 26, 2001 > I know 2 people who have interstitial cystitis who have used DMSO > successfully. > CB. > > DMSO > > > > Any one know of a good discussion list on DMSO? Also, has anyone had a > > personal experience with it? > > Thanks for your help. > > Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 Leo, What is DMSO? I would like to know. > Any one know of a good discussion list on DMSO? Also, has anyone had a > personal experience with it? > Thanks for your help. > Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 8, 2001 Report Share Posted October 8, 2001 In a message dated 9/25/2001 9:57:29 PM Eastern Daylight Time, leoelfie@... writes: > know 2 people who have interstitial cystitis who have used DMSO > > successfully. > > CB. Could someone please tell me what DMSO is? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 A google search will answer that for you. Leo -------------------------- > Leo, What is DMSO? I would like to know. > > > > Any one know of a good discussion list on DMSO? Also, has anyone had a > > personal experience with it? > > Thanks for your help. > > Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 9, 2001 Report Share Posted October 9, 2001 << Leo, What is DMSO? I would like to know. > >> === , I am not Leo but here is some information for you. Christel http://www.dmso.org/ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 I see, Thank You Steve for telling me what it is. I really appreciate it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 10, 2001 Report Share Posted October 10, 2001 In a message dated 10/8/2001 10:13:38 PM Eastern Daylight Time, leoelfie@... writes: > A google search will answer that for you. > Leo Thank You Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 25, 2002 Report Share Posted January 25, 2002 I talked to Dr. Stanley , the father of DMSO and MSM about the bathtub treatment moonbeam mentioned.. He said the combination of DMSO and H2O2 creates dimethylsulfone, which is the same as MSM. It has some penetration of the skin and some good effects. Now Dr. has been taking 1 oz. of MSM by mouth every day for 22 years and is rarely, if ever, sick from the flu or a cold. He is 77. MSM in bulk is about $12 a pound. I have a big bag of it. But buy it from someone as the powder. I take a teaspoon straight powder and follow it with water or you can mix and drink. I have also gotten it I.V. with DMSO from Dr. . I sort of feel it has some chelating effects as well, but no concrete proof. It is, of course, antiarthritic. I asked if one could make a wet compress of MSM and he said yes, it would have some good effect, like there would be some skin penetration. He didn't say it would cure anything. Loren Parks moonbeam@... wrote: > > Hi, > An interesting chemical is DMSO, made from the sap of Pine > trees. > This drug is widely available and very low in toxicity. Apart from its > > anti-cancer properties it is used to enhance the effects of other > drugs. > It does this by modifying cell permeability. If you pour some ink on > you > skin you can wash it off, but if you mix DMSO with the ink and pour it > on > the skin you may get a permanent tattoo. So DMSO can carry things into > > tissues. > I have a special interest in the ability of DMSO to carry cancer > killing > oxygen products, like H2O2, into tissues. > For research purposes only I would like to suggest the possibility > of > the Peroxide (H2O2) and DMSO bath. Given that H202 kills cancer > cells and given > that DMSO could carry H2O2 into tissues and given that the skin is the > biggest > organ, the question arises as to the effect of a hot water bath > containing > H2O2 and DMSO. Given cancers susceptability to oxygen this might > become a > way to fight cancer. It was used successfully by several people I > know, they say it > made them feel great and seemed to have no negative side effects. They > used 250ml of > 35% food grade H2O2 in a shallow hot water bath, with 50ml of 99% > grade DMSO in the > bath as well. (H2O2 burns the eyes on contact and the 35% concentrate > causes burns > before dilution - use caution with the concentrate). > > REFERENCE 1 > MEDLINE Title: Stimulation of differentiation in human melanoma cells > by > dimethyl sulphoxide (DMSO). > Author Siracký J; Blasko M; Borovanský J Address Source Neoplasma, > 1985, > 32:6, 685-8 Abstract > Stimulation of differentiation in human amelanotic melanoma cell line > by > 0.5, 1, 1.5 and 2% DMSO expressed in increased melanization was linked > to > significant decrease in proliferation rate of these cells. After > removing DMSO the > 0.5 and 1% samples became within 14 days again amelanotic with the > same growth > capacity as untreated controls. The 1.5 and 2% samples did not recover > > after DMSO removing and the inhibition of proliferation was > irreversible. > Language of Publication English Unique Identifier 86118891 > > ----------------------------------------------- > Reference 2 > > the effect of DMSO on Prostate cancer......... > > Prostate 1989;15(2):123-33 > > Effect of DMSO and DFMO on rat prostate tumor growth. > Carvalho L, Foulkes K, Mickey DD > Department of Surgery, University of North Carolina, Chapel Hill > 27599-7235. > > An anaplastic, metastatic subline of the Dunning rat tumor was exposed > to > non-cytodestructive doses of the cellular differentiation agents > dimethylsulfoxide and difluoromethylornithine. Results showed > significantly slower > solid tumor growth after.... oral treatment of host animals for 20 > days with either > agent before injection of untreated tumor cells, and after oral > treatment of host > animals with either agent initiated on the day of untreated tumor cell > injection. > Treatment of animals with established tumors with either agent also > had an > inhibitory effect on tumor growth, and the effect was related to the > length of treatment. Thus, exposure of these highly malignant rat > prostate > carcinoma cells to non-cytotoxic doses of either agent induced slower > tumor growth rates. Since a slowing of cell cycle transit times is an > early > indicator of cellular differentiation, these results could reflect an > increase in > the capacity of the malignant cells to differentiate (to become non > cancerous > cells). > > PMID: 2508071, UI: 90017079 > --------------------------------------------------- > Reference 3 > Title > Oxygen-derived free-radical scavengers prolong survival > in gastric cancer. > Author Salim AS > Chemotherapy, 1992, 38:2, 135-44 > > Abstract > Following potentially curative distal two-thirds partial > gastrectomy, 228 patients > making an uneventful recovery from surgery were randomized to the > control group or > to receive allopurinol (50 mg by mouth 4 times a day) or DMSO (500 mg > by mouth 4 > times a day). In 160 fully evaluable patients who were studied for 5 > years, > allopurinol and DMSO incurred a significant (p less than 0.01) > survival advantage > over the whole period of study. > > -------------------------------------------- > Reference 4 > Title > Dimethyl sulfoxide (DMSO) causes a reversible inhibition > of telomerase activity in a Burkitt lymphoma cell line. > Author > Sharma S; E; Soda H; Izbicka E; son K; > Lawrence R; Von Hoff DD > Source > Leuk Res, 1998 Aug, 22:8, 663-70 > > INTRODUCTION: Telomerase is an enzyme that is required for > maintenance of > telomeres. This enzyme has been shown to be present in germline > tissues > and majority of tumors and tumor cell lines. The regulation of > telomerase > is an area of active investigation in different models because, > potentially, inhibition of this enzyme could be important in cancer > therapy. To study the regulation of this enzyme in lymphoma cell > lines, we > used DMSO to produce a Reversible G0/G1 arrest in Raji cell line, as > shown > earlier [sawai M, Takase K, Teraoka H, Tsukada K. Reversible G1 arrest > in > the cell cycle of human lymphoid cell lines by dimethyl sulphoxide. > Exp > Cell Res 1990;187:4-10]. > RESULTS: In this model, DMSO reversibly inhibited > telomerase activity that could be restored after release from the > blockage. The inhibition of telomerase seems to parallel cellular > proliferation and it appears that telomerase is regulated upon entry > into > the cell cycle. > CONCLUSION: > Our observations demonstrate a novel effect of DMSO on cellular > mechanisms > in Raji cell line (Lymphoma Cells). > Unique Identifier 98343686 > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted October 25, 2002 Report Share Posted October 25, 2002 I'm just thinking out loud, Leo, but the " garlicky " smell has to have something to do with the sulfur compounds and the only way to get rid of the smell of garlic is to remove the compounds, or entericly(sp) coat the tabs (as in " odorless " garlic) so that the active ingredients are released in the small intestine and nopt the mouth or stomach!?! Steve -------------------------------------------------------------- Does anyone know what can be added to DMSO to make it less odorous when taken internally? Apparently there is a brand on the market (Christian Brothers) that is almost odorless. Leo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 I'm sure there are others who can give a better answer, but I think it's DiMethylSulfOxide. I used to use it on some horses I took care of. I would mix liniments with the DMSO and apply it to their legs and joints. The DMSO is supposed to act as a carrying agent, in my case, to carry the liniment more deeply into the horse's leg. The stuff is wierd; if you touch it on your hand, you can almost instantly taste it in your mouth...not really a pleasant taste. I think some people also use it for arthritis, not sure on that. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 > Does anyone know what DMSO is. I know it's a preservative in my B12 shot, but I wanted to know if it is safe and ok. DMSO usually means dimethylsulfoxide. In very small amounts it is probalby OK, but it is one of the " sulfur " things you have to watch for. I have not heard of DMSO being used as a preservative before - is this compounding pharmacy product, or regular manufactured B-12 for injection? .. . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . . .. . > > D Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 9, 2002 Report Share Posted December 9, 2002 You are right on. My doctor put it in the B12 and instead of injecting it, I put it on my wrists and it's suppose to soak in. My concern is that I'm pregnant and want to know if it's safe. Any ideas? The doctor that's using it is more into nutrition and natural things, so if she thinks it safe it probably is, but want to make sure. Diane Re: [ ] DMSO I'm sure there are others who can give a better answer, but I think it's DiMethylSulfOxide. I used to use it on some horses I took care of. I would mix liniments with the DMSO and apply it to their legs and joints. The DMSO is supposed to act as a carrying agent, in my case, to carry the liniment more deeply into the horse's leg. The stuff is wierd; if you touch it on your hand, you can almost instantly taste it in your mouth...not really a pleasant taste. I think some people also use it for arthritis, not sure on that. Debbie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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