DMSO

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Dear Barb

Caution is required as DMSO mobilise extremely large molecules even through several layersof surgical gloves

Regards

Windsor

[infections] Re: DMSO

I suscessfull mixed up a solidfying cream of Coconut oil/DMSO 3:1and am going to melt it back down tonite and add more DMSO , as I worry about my mixing ability to distribute both evenly at lower DMSO concentrations.I would imagine, the particle size would be the limiting fact as to what substances DMSO can carry thru the skin.This makes a great semi sold mix.. I can see myself adding other things to it.WhaT though? I 'll have to some more research.I've got to do something. Nothing else is working on these damn things.Note: (these damn things are- as named by conventional DOcs:Annulare Elastolytic Granuloma.. which looks pretty identical to Lyme's ACA)Barb>> I've done it. I mixed a multivitamin with it, as I heard it was a good way to get better absorption of the nutrients.

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Same rash as before, eh?

Was it just mino and HCQ that worked on it the first time it showed

up, like a year ago? Or was there a third agent in your combo that

time?

I wonder, are you using a topical route in order to get really

blastingly high local concentrations, or, rather, in order to avoid

taking abx systemically? (I remember you were pretty cautious about

the idea of using abx really long term? And C diff is certainly

nothing to sneeze at, since it can't always be eradicated easily, and

seems to be on the rise as a community-acquired infection.) One thing

to figure into your thinking is that, if your total daily topical

dose is low (lower than an oral dose), you will end up with low

systemic concentrations, and that might tend to promote resistance

over the long run (or not, I don't know).

If I were to apply something topically (which I know zero about,

especially DMSO) just in hopes of super-blasting the skin, I might

consider taking the same drug orally as well. (Making sure the total

dose was safe, of course, and one has to pay attention there to the

percentage absorptions via mouth and skin, of course.)

Good luck out there.

I'm not feeling incredibly asymptomatic myself just now.

But I have a good shot of getting it all sorted out in time.

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:

You know me... I've already tried 30 days each of a couple of abx-

the Mino/HCQ were in combo. concentrations enough to saturate all

tisuues including skin, sweat and tears and bones... and it didn't

touch these.

The last time I had a few of these (maybe 3 years ago) they were

all gone after my 1.5 years taking Lyme abx.

They didn't stay gone.

And if they ARE late stage Lyme ACA- abx isn't going to fix it.. as

there is no cure for the tertiary stage of ACA. That's why I'm

hoping these aren't ACA Lyme.

The DMSO is being used as a carrier.

I may go to the Doc.. and ask them to cryogenically take one off- and

see what happens then.. or I can just starve one of all oxygen and

see what happens. Thats my next step if the DMSO doen't work.

Barb

>

> Same rash as before, eh?

>

> Was it just mino and HCQ that worked on it the first time it showed

> up, like a year ago? Or was there a third agent in your combo that

> time?

>

> I wonder, are you using a topical route in order to get really

> blastingly high local concentrations, or, rather, in order to avoid

> taking abx systemically? (I remember you were pretty cautious about

> the idea of using abx really long term? And C diff is certainly

> nothing to sneeze at, since it can't always be eradicated easily,

and

> seems to be on the rise as a community-acquired infection.) One

thing

> to figure into your thinking is that, if your total daily topical

> dose is low (lower than an oral dose), you will end up with low

> systemic concentrations, and that might tend to promote resistance

> over the long run (or not, I don't know).

>

> If I were to apply something topically (which I know zero about,

> especially DMSO) just in hopes of super-blasting the skin, I might

> consider taking the same drug orally as well. (Making sure the

total

> dose was safe, of course, and one has to pay attention there to the

> percentage absorptions via mouth and skin, of course.)

>

> Good luck out there.

>

> I'm not feeling incredibly asymptomatic myself just now.

> But I have a good shot of getting it all sorted out in time.

>

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Is ACA supposed to be granulomatous? Annular elastolytic granuloma *is*

granulomatous, right? Unless ACA is also granulomatous, then, you'd

think the dermatologist could tell them apart by examining a biopsy for

granulomas under a light microscope... ?

> And if they ARE late stage Lyme ACA- abx isn't going to fix it..

Well... do you believe it? Abx are also supposedly ineffective for post-

treatment lyme disease syndrome, or whatever they call it.

> or I can just starve one of all oxygen and

> see what happens. Thats my next step if the DMSO doen't work.

Thing is, putting something on your epidermis wouldn't deprive the

dermis of any O2 it might recieve from the circulatory system. I don't

know if the dermis receives most of its O2 through the epidermis or

from the capillaries, but my first guess would be the latter.

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Hi,

I have used DMSO for years. My father owned a bunch of horses and used it on

them all the time. My grandmother used it on her arthritis and it works great,

but just try telling your Rhummy that! I don't like the taste in my mouth but

when the pain goes away you can deal with it real easy. I buy mine on the

Internet and mix it with liquid Aloevera and it doesn't burn. Good luck.

Dawn

roadlessgraveled <roadlessgraveled@...> wrote:

Hello Folks!

New guy here.

I'm curious about DMSO for pain relief. I searched the archives, and

found only 33 posts related to it. A handful were copies of the

statements in Arthritis Today, a few were warnings about

using " industrial " grade, but by far, those who used it, liked it.

I've searched PubMed (National library of Medicine) for studies that

caution using it, and found virtually nothing negative about it.

About the most negative statement I've found anywhere is that it

won't " cure " RA.

But is there anything that does?

Has anyone here had personal experience using DMSO for pain and

inflammation reduction?

Thanks,

Dan

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Am I reading this correctly? You drink DMSO? I have never heard on

anyone drinking it. I thought it was for Topical use? What ever made

you decide to drink it?

> Hello Folks!

>

> New guy here.

> I'm curious about DMSO for pain relief. I searched the archives, and

> found only 33 posts related to it. A handful were copies of the

> statements in Arthritis Today, a few were warnings about

> using " industrial " grade, but by far, those who used it, liked it.

>

> I've searched PubMed (National library of Medicine) for studies that

> caution using it, and found virtually nothing negative about it.

> About the most negative statement I've found anywhere is that it

> won't " cure " RA.

>

> But is there anything that does?

>

> Has anyone here had personal experience using DMSO for pain and

> inflammation reduction?

>

> Thanks,

> Dan

>

>

>

>

>

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My curiousity was piqued and I found this informative article in

Arthritis Today.

http://www.arthritis.org/resources/arthritistoday/1999_archives/1999_11_\

12explorations.asp

<http://www.arthritis.org/resources/arthritistoday/1999_archives/1999_11\

_12explorations.asp>

> > Hello Folks!

> >

> > New guy here.

> > I'm curious about DMSO for pain relief. I searched the archives, and

> > found only 33 posts related to it. A handful were copies of the

> > statements in Arthritis Today, a few were warnings about

> > using " industrial " grade, but by far, those who used it, liked it.

> >

> > I've searched PubMed (National library of Medicine) for studies that

> > caution using it, and found virtually nothing negative about it.

> > About the most negative statement I've found anywhere is that it

> > won't " cure " RA.

> >

> > But is there anything that does?

> >

> > Has anyone here had personal experience using DMSO for pain and

> > inflammation reduction?

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Dan

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

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I am not the person that posted but I know just applying it to your skin you get

a garlic taste in your mouth that is how strong it is. You can always tell a

horse that is using it their urine smells bad.

Marsha

[ ] Re: DMSO

Am I reading this correctly? You drink DMSO? I have never heard on

anyone drinking it. I thought it was for Topical use? What ever made

you decide to drink it?

> Hello Folks!

>

> New guy here.

> I'm curious about DMSO for pain relief. I searched the archives, and

> found only 33 posts related to it. A handful were copies of the

> statements in Arthritis Today, a few were warnings about

> using " industrial " grade, but by far, those who used it, liked it.

>

> I've searched PubMed (National library of Medicine) for studies that

> caution using it, and found virtually nothing negative about it.

> About the most negative statement I've found anywhere is that it

> won't " cure " RA.

>

> But is there anything that does?

>

> Has anyone here had personal experience using DMSO for pain and

> inflammation reduction?

>

> Thanks,

> Dan

>

>

>

>

>

>

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He talked about a 70% DMSO solution. I also have the >99% pure DMSO

solution and I just tried it again pure on healthy skin - it doesn't

sting me. I think, one certainly could dilute it down to 70% if one

is more sensitive than I am.

Heidi>>

I remember when DMSO became popular 30 years ago. Rub it on an arthritic

shoulder and it soaks in, and the pain goes away, etc. Then the news was

reporting

" problems " . DMSO is a super good penetrant/dissolver and comes THRU your skin

into the blood. So...if your skin where you apply it is not very clean, the

DMSO both dissolves whatever is on the skin and brings it through (in a

solution) the skin and into the blood. I think you can try and by very pure DMSO

in

" reagent grade " and you can eliminate the problem of the DMSO itself having

impurities in it.

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That's true.

When I first heard of DMSO, I worked in a bio lab where it was (and

still is) used as a common solvent for drugs you wanted to get into

solution and into cells (it " makes holes in cell membranes " ). So, we

were told that DMSO is really dangerous and never handled DMSO

without gloves.

When I later heard about people using it for arthritis I thought the

world has gone mad.

Then I figured out that much of my fear was based on my experience in

the lab where DMSO was used as solvent and cell penetrator which

carried anything (including poisons used in labs) into the skin and

blood system.

It's definitely right, better clean the skin before using it and

rinse well - and this is not always said clearly enough.

I don't think that using reagent-grade DMSO is any better in that

respect (rather worse) - because that's the most pure and potent form

which is used in the lab.

> I remember when DMSO became popular 30 years ago. Rub it on an

arthritic

> shoulder and it soaks in, and the pain goes away, etc. Then the

news was reporting

> " problems " . DMSO is a super good penetrant/dissolver and comes THRU

your skin

> into the blood. So...if your skin where you apply it is not very

clean, the

> DMSO both dissolves whatever is on the skin and brings it through

(in a

> solution) the skin and into the blood. I think you can try and by

very pure DMSO in

> " reagent grade " and you can eliminate the problem of the DMSO

itself having

> impurities in it.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>

>When I first heard of DMSO, I worked in a bio lab where it was (and

>still is) used as a common solvent for drugs you wanted to get into

>solution and into cells (it " makes holes in cell membranes " ).

Heidi,

What do you mean by " makes holes " ? Is this colloquial for " penetrates " ?

I'm currently using a 1:1 solution of colloidal silver/DMSO to nebulize my

old dog who's prone to sinus infections. This is a protocol recommended by

several folks on the Silver Pets list. So far it seems to have kept sinus

infections at bay in my dog. But I've never been completely certain that I

want the DMSO in the solution and sometimes I use straight CS.

Suze

>

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Yes, as far as I remember this is how DMSO works: it penetrates by

actually disrupting the cell membrane, this way it and stuff can get

into the cell. I think the cell membrane self-repairs after this

again.

As far as I have seen, cells don't die with this procedure as long as

they don't have to " live in too much DMSO " too long (please don't ask

me for numbers though; I just know cells survive the treatments we

used - a couple of microliters DMSO in maybe 1 ml medium or so. And

that was flooding much of the cell surface with DMSO medium in a

petri dish - not trying to reach cells via respiration or through

tough skin cells).

Heidi

>

>

> >

> >When I first heard of DMSO, I worked in a bio lab where it was (and

> >still is) used as a common solvent for drugs you wanted to get into

> >solution and into cells (it " makes holes in cell membranes " ).

>

> Heidi,

>

> What do you mean by " makes holes " ? Is this colloquial

for " penetrates " ?

>

> I'm currently using a 1:1 solution of colloidal silver/DMSO to

nebulize my

> old dog who's prone to sinus infections. This is a protocol

recommended by

> several folks on the Silver Pets list. So far it seems to have kept

sinus

> infections at bay in my dog. But I've never been completely certain

that I

> want the DMSO in the solution and sometimes I use straight CS.

>

> Suze

> >

>

[Guest guest]

>Yes, as far as I remember this is how DMSO works: it penetrates by

>actually disrupting the cell membrane, this way it and stuff can get

>into the cell. I think the cell membrane self-repairs after this

>again.

Heidi,

Do you know if DMSO would erode plastic? I'm debating whether to continue

using it in the nebulizer, which is made of plastic. I just wouldn't want

any of the plastic to get into the nebulizing soltion. It's mixed with a

colloidal silver/water solution (10:1 CS to DMSO).

Suze

[Guest guest]

might be good solvent to use as part of a natural weed killer mix for

canada thistle. maybe mix with vegitable oil? or hydrogen peroxide

[Guest guest]

DMSO was used to preserve organs for transplant for many years, so I

doubt that it's terribly toxic to tissues in and of itself. As for

DMSO disrupting cell membranes, perhaps our understanding of how cell

membranes work is not quite accurate. Read Gilbert Ling's writings on

his association-induction hypothesis of cell structure for some

interesting information.

http://www.gilbertling.org

There is a lot more info on DMSO here:

http://www.dmso.org/index.html

I believe that Dr. (the guy who first used DMSO as a treatment

for various things) said that the reason DMSO didn't catch on was that

not many people could deal with the side-effects (e.g. tasting oysters

or rotten eggs shortly after taking it). Also, as it was available as

an industrial solvent, a lot of the DMSO that you'd buy back in the

day wasn't fit for pharmacological use.

Later,

Colin

>

> Yes, as far as I remember this is how DMSO works: it penetrates by

> actually disrupting the cell membrane, this way it and stuff can get

> into the cell. I think the cell membrane self-repairs after this

> again.

>

> As far as I have seen, cells don't die with this procedure as long as

> they don't have to " live in too much DMSO " too long (please don't ask

> me for numbers though; I just know cells survive the treatments we

> used - a couple of microliters DMSO in maybe 1 ml medium or so. And

> that was flooding much of the cell surface with DMSO medium in a

> petri dish - not trying to reach cells via respiration or through

> tough skin cells).

[Guest guest]

I have tried mixing it with Lugols. I cannot say it has made a

difference with nail fungus. When using it on skin tags and age

spots, it seems to help protect the surrounding skin from

irritation, but, again, I can't say it improves the speed of what

Lugols is accomplishing. But the iodine HAS removed skin anomalies -

it just takes time and persistance. I do sometimes get a taste in my

mouth from applying DMSO to the skin, so that would seem to indicate

its penetrating abilities.

>

> Got a promo book on DMSO. Some may remember that the crooked

Pharma lobby

> demonized DMSO years ago. The bottom line is: the same thieves

could not plunder

> billions on it, so they wish to demonize it. DMSO is a simple

chemical and

> which occurs in nature, in plants, and in animals. The stuff you

buy, today, is

> derived from wood pulp chemical plant manufacture. I don't have

arthritis or

> any such condition, but I wonder if anyone has tried this for

various uses:

> skin, headache, etc. </HTML>

>

>

>

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I dont' use medical grade DMSO. I use just plain old DMSO, sold for use

as a solvent. I think there may be some brands of it I wouldn't use.

FDA regs forbid any labelling claims or statements on DMSO except to

say " for use as a solvent only " . The kind I use is often casually

referred to as " vetinary grade " though in reality there is no such

thing. The term comes from it being sold in feedstores and horse stores

for use with horses, I think.

Here it is:

http://www.jeffersequine.com/ssc/product.asp?CID=1 & mscssid=RJFJ56QFLEML9H8E5EX96\

EG4R11H2BF2 & pf_id=16064

Product number V2-A4

This is the DMSO I use. I would use the jacob labs DMSO, but I can't

afford it.

sol

Gail wrote:

> So where does one get medical grade DMSO? All I've found is for

> external use. I think that's why I didn't try it before because I

> don't know where to get it or what to use.

>

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This one is supposed to be the best in the area, but I may do just that, if

I don't get some good answers.

Thanks,

Chrissie

[ ] DMSO

Has anyone ever tried this for thier aches and pains?

i tried this a few years ago and when i rubbed in on,the pain

dissappeared for hours, i had forgotten about it,but i for one am going

to give it another shot

[Guest guest]

would someone please share with me the over all benefits of DMSO , sorry I

missed the ongoing discussion , appreciate your help.

[ ] DMSO

, that is amazing about DMSO. Cheapest cancer cure, yet seems

effective for solid tumors. How did you find out about it? What would a

maintenance dose be, when tumors are gone, and would I smell from garlig for

the rest of my life if taking it orally? Rhoda

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How did you take it, empty stomach, how long before

eating and/or after eating?

On the smell, some people have luck taking liquid

chlorophyll about 20 minutes after taking DMSO.

Joe

[Guest guest]

,

There is a DMSO forum that could answer many of your questions.

DimethylSulfoxide-DMSO/

" Runyon " wrote:

>would someone please share with me the over all benefits of DMSO ,

sorry I missed the ongoing discussion , appreciate your help.

[Guest guest]

My Dad found out about DMSO through the internet some how. I think it may have

been through a forum or maybe a group. I'm not sure.

DMSO eliminates toxins, kills fungal infections, kills cancer cells, reduces

inflamation, relieves pain, improves memory and brain function, increases

celular oxygen levels, reverses most of the brain damage caused by strokes, and

stopped my seizures.

I have never read anything about DMSO stopping seizures, but for some reason

it stopped mine.

There are many other benifits to DMSO too. You can read about clinical trials

at www.dmso.org.

I usually take DMSO while I am eating just because its convenient . I have

taken DMSO on an empty stomach before and it has never bothered me.

I have never read anything that said wheather eating something affected the

effectiveness of DMSO or not.

I don't really know how much a maintence dose of DMSO would be.

The doctor at www.dmso.org could answer that question for you.

Chlorophyll did work good to keep the smell away when I was taking it.

Sincerely,

Dixie

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[Guest guest]

Hi Rhoda,

A teaspoon of DMSO a day will give you a strong garlic smell, but chlorophyll

works good to keep the smell away.

Sincerely,

Dixie

[Guest guest]

Dixie

What kind of chlorophyll did you take?

Joe

>

> A teaspoon of DMSO a day will give you a strong

> garlic smell, but chlorophyll works good to keep the

> smell away.

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I took a liquid chlorophyll called Natures Way Chlorofresh. I got it from a

local health food store.

-Dixie