Re: After treating with antivirals is it easier for the gut to heal?

May 19, 2008

I hadn't heard of antivirals in relation to healing the gut, but I have

talked to a few DAN doctors who agreed that generally diet and healing

the gut came before other treatments, HOWEVER they said they had a few

cases where the child was so toxic they had to do a bit of chelation

before they could heal the gut.

2 years of SCD is a long time. If you've been hardcore SCD and got to

a daily solid BM, I'd say you've definitely got other issues. Are you

using digestive enzymes with each meal? Are you active with probiotics?

Sorry I didn't answer your virals question.

Cheers

dana pope wrote:

My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been able

to move beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit except

pear, lemon, and limes. They still have such major gastrointestinal

distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation, definate

motility problems.

I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will

add lysine and OLE. Has anyone seen good results in healing of

gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am sure these

gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no speech, have

very poor attention span, and trouble learning and playing properly.

What gains do you all see when treating with the various

antivirals?

Thanks,

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

May 19, 2008

That should read:

.....NOT got to a daily solid BM....

Reynolds wrote:

I hadn't heard of antivirals in relation to healing the gut, but I

have

talked to a few DAN doctors who agreed that generally diet and healing

the gut came before other treatments, HOWEVER they said they had a few

cases where the child was so toxic they had to do a bit of chelation

before they could heal the gut.

2 years of SCD is a long time. If you've been hardcore SCD and got to

a daily solid BM, I'd say you've definitely got other issues. Are you

using digestive enzymes with each meal? Are you active with probiotics?

Sorry I didn't answer your virals question.

Cheers

dana pope wrote:

My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been able

to move beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit except

pear, lemon, and limes. They still have such major gastrointestinal

distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation, definate

motility problems.

I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will

add lysine and OLE. Has anyone seen good results in healing of

gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am sure these

gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no speech, have

very poor attention span, and trouble learning and playing properly.

What gains do you all see when treating with the various

antivirals?

Thanks,

Dana

and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

May 19, 2008

My boys take Houston Enzymes with every meal and snack. They have taken goat yogurt and acidophilus capsules daily. I just switched them to young coconut kefir yesterday. I am thinking maybe some of their issues have been improper food combinations causing them not to properly digest their food so am looking into Body Ecology Diet to help with that. They have tested VERY metal toxic with mercury, lead, and arsenic and have started DMSA suppositories the end of February. Also on MB12 shots every third day. SCD and other interventions have helped because they were severely, severely damaged. They projectile vomitted undigested food several times per week until they were two years old and I finally switched to a new pediatrician who listened to me and tested them for celiac disease. I kept sharing with their original pediatrician that they were throwing up but he was

not concerned because they were not underweight. If only I had known to question more and switch to a new pediatrician sooner. So, we have seen good things but still have so far to go for healing. Thanks, Dana Garrett and Reynolds wrote: I hadn't heard of antivirals in relation to healing the gut, but I have talked to a few DAN doctors who agreed that generally diet and healing the gut came before other treatments, HOWEVER they said they had a few

cases where the child was so toxic they had to do a bit of chelation before they could heal the gut.2 years of SCD is a long time. If you've been hardcore SCD and got to a daily solid BM, I'd say you've definitely got other issues. Are you using digestive enzymes with each meal? Are you active with probiotics?Sorry I didn't answer your virals question.Cheersdana pope wrote: My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been able to move beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit except pear, lemon, and limes. They still have such major gastrointestinal distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation, definate motility problems. I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will add lysine and OLE. Has anyone

seen good results in healing of gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am sure these gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no speech, have very poor attention span, and trouble learning and playing properly. What gains do you all see when treating with the various antivirals? Thanks,Dana and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 yearsCeliac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder Dana and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 yearsCeliac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

May 19, 2008

Do you know your childrens heavy metal levels? There are many who

believe that it is impossible to eradicate yeast until the bodys

burden of heavy metals has been relieved. The higher the level of

toxicity, the harder you have to struggle just to keep the yeast in

check. If you have been at SCD for two years and not seen any major

progress, maybe you need to switch focus. Keep up with the diet and

attempts to heal your childrens guts, but start trying to lower their

levels of heavy metals *if* they have toxicity. Once you lower them

a little, maybe you will have better results with the diet.

I am only hypothesizing here. We actually struggle constantly with

yeast for our little one, and have attempted several times to chelate

to lower his levels of mercury/lead but his immune system is

wrecked. So we are doing antivirals (and very pleased as he is doing

GREAT and rarely sick anymore since we started) then we will move on

to chelation so that eventually we can conquer that nasty yeast once

and for all (*IF* that's actually the way it works).

> > My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been able to

move

> > beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit except

pear,

> > lemon, and limes. They still have such major gastrointestinal

> > distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation,

definate

> > motility problems.

> >

> > I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will add

> > lysine and OLE. Has anyone seen good results in healing of

> > gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am sure

> > these gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no

> > speech, have very poor attention span, and trouble learning and

> > playing properly.

> >

> > What gains do you all see when treating with the various

antivirals?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Dana

> > and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

> > Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

> >

>

May 19, 2008

Come to think of it, if Stan's theory of virus's holding on to metals

is correct then it would make sense that treating with antivirals

would eventually help to heal the gut, right? Lessening the bodys

burden of metals is going to make it easier for the gut to heal.

Are you seeing a DAN! doc?

We have been using Vitamin Shoppe OLE 2x a day(liquid form, it's

really sludgy and seems powerful compared to the others I've tried),

liquid Grapefruit Seed Extract 2x a day, Sambucol 3x a day, Ultra 1 &

2 from the World Health Mall (we finished this a couple weeks ago),

and we started Lysine a week and a half ago and just bumped up to

1000mg a day. Then the Valtrex also.

Since we started the antivirals we have seen shorter periods of

WOW!!! Knock your socks off gains that lasted several weeks and

longer periods of slow and steady gains. Our son completely overcame

his inability to show and share on days 14 and 15 of natural

antivirals. This was what qualified him for a dx of PDD-NOS. It

never occurred to him anybody else besides him would be interested in

anything he is. Now, he shows us absolutely EVERTHING..... shares

everything he's doing with us, asks us to play games with him, wants

to move his train table into the family room for crying out loud

because he wants to be with everybody and not miss anything (his

words).

Greets people by name. Is capable of short conversations. Answers

and asks questions including Why? Now when I prompt him what to say

(old habits die hard) instead of parroting me he uses HIS words.

YAY!! This JUST happened two days ago. He has had spontaneous

speech for a long time, but in speaking to other people as far as

socially, we usually had to prompt him in the beginning. Tonight, I

told him to tell our neighbor who was sick (who we don't know that

well) 'I hope you feel better' and Adam said 'I don't want you to

feel bad' and gave him a hug.

Last night he sat on the floor with his Daddy and taught him very

patiently how to spin a frisbee like a top. " No, Daddy, watch how

I'm doing it. " " Okay, now you try. " After Daddy tries and messes up

on purpose Adam looks him in the eye and says " That's okay Daddy,

I'll show you again.... look, do it like me " . They sat like this for

ten minutes with Adam giving Daddy a lesson.

Since we started antivirals pronouns are mastered, pretend and play

skills have improved dramatically, language skills with the exception

of articulation (he is apraxic) have improved to age level, gross

motor and fine motor have improved to age level and a BCBA came out

to our house for the very first time three weeks ago to start the

assesment process for ABA for Adam. We have never done it before but

we want to fine tune social skills, work on some self help skills and

pre writing, and behavioral (since antiviral and finding his language

he is a saucy little brat lol). After playing with him and his

dinosaurs for twenty minutes or so she looked up at us and said " Who

diagnosed him again? " After meeting with his teacher the next day

and observing him in his school environment, she called me and said

they don't need to do a full out asessment- they can write a five

hour a week program after just seeing him at home and school and

charge us just for an hour. He needs minimal services if any at

all!!! Yay!!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you Valtrex!!!! Thank

you Stan Kurtz!! Thank you to this group! I don't post much, but I

read EVERYTHING and I learn alot and I am soooo grateful!

We have a long way yet to go... Adam has ALOT of issues (we

especially have to make it through this particular healing

regression..... I thought I was going to murdalize the cheeky little

smart mouth brat today- of COURSE I'm just kidding) but I see a

glimmer of a light at the end of the tunnel!!

>

> My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been able to

move beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit except

pear, lemon, and limes. They still have such major gastrointestinal

distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation,

definate motility problems.

>

> I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will add

lysine and OLE. Has anyone seen good results in healing of

gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am sure

these gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no

speech, have very poor attention span, and trouble learning and

playing properly.

>

> What gains do you all see when treating with the various

antivirals?

>

> Thanks,

>

> Dana

> and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

> Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder

>

May 19, 2008

Another good reason to stick to the young coconut kefir (YCK). I read that it is a natural chelator - I believe in the body ecology book. My son's mecury (from a hair test) did reduce quite a bit after starting the YCK, and his levels were always off the charts before). We had tried oral DMSA in the past, and my son regressed horribly on it so we had to stop.

Jenn

Re: After treating with antivirals is it easier for the gut to heal?

Do you know your childrens heavy metal levels? There are many who believe that it is impossible to eradicate yeast until the bodys burden of heavy metals has been relieved. The higher the level of toxicity, the harder you have to struggle just to keep the yeast in check. If you have been at SCD for two years and not seen any major progress, maybe you need to switch focus. Keep up with the diet and attempts to heal your childrens guts, but start trying to lower their levels of heavy metals *if* they have toxicity. Once you lower them a little, maybe you will have better results with the diet.I am only hypothesizing here. We actually struggle constantly with yeast for our little one, and have attempted several times to chelate to lower his levels of mercury/lead but his immune system is wrecked. So we are doing antivirals (and very pleased as he is doing GREAT and rarely sick anymore since we

started) then we will move on to chelation so that eventually we can conquer that nasty yeast once and for all (*IF* that's actually the way it works).> > My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been able to move > > beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit except pear, > > lemon, and limes. They still have such major gastrointestinal > > distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation, definate > > motility problems.> > > > I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will add > > lysine and OLE. Has anyone seen good results in healing of > > gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am sure > > these gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no > > speech, have very poor attention span,

and trouble learning and > > playing properly.> > > > What gains do you all see when treating with the various antivirals?> > > > Thanks,> >> >> > Dana> > and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years> > Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder> >> >>

May 19, 2008

Wow!

Fantastic gains!!!! How old is your little boy!

Re: After treating with antivirals is it easier for the gut to heal?

Come to think of it, if Stan's theory of virus's holding on to metals is correct then it would make sense that treating with antivirals would eventually help to heal the gut, right? Lessening the bodys burden of metals is going to make it easier for the gut to heal.Are you seeing a DAN! doc? We have been using Vitamin Shoppe OLE 2x a day(liquid form, it's really sludgy and seems powerful compared to the others I've tried), liquid Grapefruit Seed Extract 2x a day, Sambucol 3x a day, Ultra 1 & 2 from the World Health Mall (we finished this a couple weeks ago), and we started Lysine a week and a half ago and just bumped up to 1000mg a day. Then the Valtrex also.Since we started the antivirals we have seen shorter periods of WOW!!! Knock your socks off gains that lasted several weeks and longer periods of slow and steady gains. Our son completely overcame his inability to show and share on days 14 and 15 of natural antivirals. This was what qualified him for a dx of PDD-NOS. It never occurred to him anybody else besides him would be interested in anything he is. Now, he shows us absolutely EVERTHING..... shares everything he's doing with us, asks us to play games with him, wants to move his train table into the family room for crying out loud because he wants to be with everybody and not miss anything (his words). Greets people by name. Is capable of short conversations. Answers and asks questions including Why? Now when I prompt him what to say (old habits die hard) instead of parroting me he uses HIS words. YAY!! This JUST happened two days ago. He has had spontaneous speech for a long time, but in speaking to other people as far as socially, we usually had to prompt him in the beginning. Tonight, I told him to tell our neighbor who was sick (who we don't know that well) 'I hope you feel better' and Adam said 'I don't want you to feel bad' and gave him a hug.Last night he sat on the floor with his Daddy and taught him very patiently how to spin a frisbee like a top. "No, Daddy, watch how I'm doing it." "Okay, now you try." After Daddy tries and messes up on purpose Adam looks him in the eye and says "That's okay Daddy, I'll show you again.... look, do it like me". They sat like this for ten minutes with Adam giving Daddy a lesson.Since we started antivirals pronouns are mastered, pretend and play skills have improved dramatically, language skills with the exception of articulation (he is apraxic) have improved to age level, gross motor and fine motor have improved to age level and a BCBA came out to our house for the very first time three weeks ago to start the assesment process for ABA for Adam. We have never done it before but we want to fine tune social skills, work on some self help skills and pre writing, and behavioral (since antiviral and finding his language he is a saucy little brat lol). After playing with him and his dinosaurs for twenty minutes or so she looked up at us and said "Who diagnosed him again?" After meeting with his teacher the next day and observing him in his school environment, she called me and said they don't need to do a full out asessment- they can write a five hour a week program after just seeing him at home and school and charge us just for an hour. He needs minimal services if any at all!!! Yay!!!! Thank you, thank you, thank you Valtrex!!!! Thank you Stan Kurtz!! Thank you to this group! I don't post much, but I read EVERYTHING and I learn alot and I am soooo grateful! We have a long way yet to go... Adam has ALOT of issues (we especially have to make it through this particular healing regression..... I thought I was going to murdalize the cheeky little smart mouth brat today- of COURSE I'm just kidding) but I see a glimmer of a light at the end of the tunnel!!>> My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been able to move beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit except pear, lemon, and limes. They still have such major gastrointestinal distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation, definate motility problems. > > I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will add lysine and OLE. Has anyone seen good results in healing of gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am sure these gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no speech, have very poor attention span, and trouble learning and playing properly.> > What gains do you all see when treating with the various antivirals?> > Thanks,> > > Dana > and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years> Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing disorder>

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May 19, 2008

He will be 4 the 30th of this month. He was very, very blessed to be

red flagged early at the age of 15 months or so and we started 40

hours a week of floortime (done by yours truly due to lack of funds)

and three hours week speech immediately and that seems to have made

the difference that you always hear everybody talking about. It

literally seems to have changed the pathways of his brain. It took me

TWO months of hand over hand, finger over finger misery to teach him

to point to something he wanted while dealing with the tantrums all

the while but it was worth every sweet second in the end (I can say

that now). Every time somebody says he must have been dx'd wrong

while turning away submissively, I want to slap them!! It makes me

feel like the last three years of my life and all the hard work my

little one and I have done are being negated and trivialized.... Ah

well, in the end we all know how far our children have come and how

much we have grown with them, right?

> >

> > My boys have been SCD for two years now and have not been

able to

> move beyond the initial stages and cannot tolerate any fruit

except

> pear, lemon, and limes. They still have such major

gastrointestinal

> distress - bloated belly, mushy BMs, occasional constipation,

> definate motility problems.

> >

> > I will be starting them on Virastop this summer and then will

add

> lysine and OLE. Has anyone seen good results in healing of

> gastrointestinal issues after treating with antivirals. I am

sure

> these gut issues and inflammation are why my boys still have no

> speech, have very poor attention span, and trouble learning and

> playing properly.

> >

> > What gains do you all see when treating with the various

> antivirals?

> >

> > Thanks,

> >

> > Dana

> > and Garrett, just turned 4, SCD 2 years

> > Celiac, ASD, Speech and Motor Apraxia, sensory processing

disorder

> >

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