Re: Re: Basics of Cutler protocol / glutathione patches

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Hi :Cuttler´s protocle doesn´t like glutathione, neither the patches?Subject: Re: Re: Basics of Cutler protocolTo: mb12 valtrex Date: Thursday, May 29, 2008, 1:45 AM

Admittedly, I don't know much about porphyrin tests and what is good or bad for a reading.

But, the fact that he is toxic, even slightly, bothers me.

I would also do a hair test from Direct Labs (Doctor's Data) called the Hair Elements test. It's about $90 and the results will show liklihood of mercury toxicity by means of finding derranged mineral transport (a condition mercury causes). Basically, only mercury causes that condition, and 5 patterns of hair problems show up when someone has it. If you go that route, post the results to the Autism-Mercury group who can read the test for you, or buy Andy's book Hidden Hair Toxicities to interpret the results yourself.

If the hair test is suspicious and/or confirms toxicity (coupled with the porphyrin test), that warrants chelation. Glutathione is not a chelator.

------------ -- Original message ------------ -- From: "karicreehan" <karicreehan@ yahoo.com>

Thank you for all the info. To this point, I haven't gotten to thatpoint in my research yet, so this quick summary came in handy. I haveone question...how toxic are the kids who require chelation? We didthe porphyrin test from France and 's abnormal results were:UROPORPHYRIN: 26 nmol...normal range 8-20PRECOPROPORPHYRIN 12nmol...normal range 5-9In the interpretation, it said "evidence of mercury toxicity isdiscreet." thought that was pretty good, his DAN! said the same, but"maybe a little glutathione down the road". Now I'm reading that thatisn't suggested in the Cutler protocol.His Metabolic Acid Profile from Genova Diagnostics revealed 7 (scale1-10) in his need for Glutathione.Any opinions?Thanks.Kari>> There

seems to be a lot of interest in Andy Cutler's protocol...Tomake it easier, here is a quick summary of how it works and where tofind help. You should not use this information alone for chelating,but rather just to become familiar with the process.> > Many list members have also shared great info about Cutler'sredistribution concerns and dosing in the last 24 hours. If youhaven't read the posts, do so. Also, consider joining theAutism-Mercury yahoo group and getting his books "Amalgam Illness" and"Hidden Hair Toxicities" for more information. > > Here's the Cutler protocol and philosophy in a nutshell...If anyother Cutler experts out there see something wrong, please chime in.> > Use only those chemicals that are actual chelators... DMSA, DMPS andALA. (Vit C, glutathione, saunas, and clay baths are NOT chelators).> > Use them in the way they were designed to be taken...orally.> > Don't use IV

chelation.> > Don't chelate anyone with metal fillings. Wait 6 months to chelateonce they are safely removed.> > Don't chelate when sick.> > Dose very small doses frequently so that the body is not overwhelmedand so that there is a steady stream of chelator in the body at alltimes for 3 days on and 11 days off. This dosing limits theredistribution of metals.> > DMPS gets dosed every 8 hours. Prescription only.> > DMSA gets dosed every 4 hours. Available OTC. FDA approved.> > ALA gets dosed every 3 hours. Available OTC. It is the only chelatorproven to cross the blood brain barrier. ALA can be used alone forthis reason, but is often used in combination with DMPS or DMSA. > > Do NOT use ALA if your child is Copper toxic. ALA can retain copper.If child is high in copper, use DMSA only and supplement with zinc andmolybdenum to normalize the copper levels.

(More info in his book. I'mno copper expert, but people on the Autism-Mercury group seem to be!)> > If combining the ALA and DMSA, dose every 3 hours in the day, andevery 4 hours at night. You MUST get up in the middle of the night todo the dose.> > Use 1/8 to 1/4 mg of chelator per pound of the patient. A 40 poundchild would ideally use no more than 10mg per dose. (That would meanabout 60 mg a day..) But, the smallest capsule available is 25mg, somost parents end up opening the capsule and mixing in half or 12.5 mgfor practicality' s sake.> > (We dose ALA and DMSA as follows...Friday 4pm, 7pm, 11pm, 3am, 7am,10am, 1pm, 4pm...and all over again until 7 am Monday morning.)> > If you miss a dose, STOP the round right there. A missed dose is anymore than 15 minutes after scheduled dose.> > Mix the chelators in juice for children who won't take pills,

suchas pineapple juice. (We have found that our child

tolerates it betterthis way even though she can swallow pills.)> > Friday through Monday is called a "round". You need to do 100 roundsor more. There will be great improvement in the first 20-30 rounds,then a long plateau, and then typically big gains again around round60-80. > > Bad side effects can happen if dose is too high. Those would includevommitting, excessive lethargy, or anything else extreme.> > Normal side effects: tired, cranky, sweaty, yeast. Yeast is not areason not to chelate.> > You can do a round every weekend with only 4 days off, but most ofus find that causes yeast, AND more than that, it makes you and yourchild very tired. It is more practical do take every 11 days off, butnot necessary.> > Use a good antifungal and probiotics.> > Supplement both "on" and "off" a round. > > Common supplements

are:> > Vitamin C > Zinc > Calcium> Magnesium > Molybdenum > Manganese> Mineral NO COPPER > Multivitamin > Flaxseed Oil> Probiotics> CoEnzyme Q10> Nystatin> B12 > > Finally, Andy strongly advises against the use of Glutathione,stating it cannot be uptaken because mercury is blocking it, andchelation will normalize glutathione levels. The Geiers have alsoconfirmed this (I've asked them personally on 2 occassions) andrecently so has Jim . In fact, just at Autism One Dr. showed that DMSA did indeed normalize glutathione levels alone. Andysays supplementary glutathione can make your child feel sick.> > Again, this is Andy's information and protocol. Certainly otherparents out there have found other methods of chelation to be helpfulas well as the use of glutathione, saunas, and so forth.

Research foryourself to see what you agree with and why. >

; > > > > > ------------ -- Original message ------------ -- > From: Shanon <theshannster2@ ...> > Re:Cutler protocol. What is it and where to find it ? ALso, did yourkids all test high for metals? My son did not.>