Re: bad reaction to epsom salt?

May 30, 2008

I bought them in the pharmacy...but I'm sure there's more to the story

than that. Yikes! I just went and got the bag. It says that the

active ingredient is 100% magnesium sulfate USP. oh geez...it says

that info regarding the contents and levels of metals in this product

is available at http://agr.wa.gov...will let you know what I find.

Where do you buy pharmaceutical grade if not in the pharmacy?

Thanks much!

Kari

> >

> > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative

> > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably

> > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Since then,

> > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt per bath.

> > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant, etc.

> > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I don't know

> > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to cause

> > more harm.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kari

> >

>

May 30, 2008

I bought them in the pharmacy...but I'm sure there's more to the story

than that. Yikes! I just went and got the bag. It says that the

active ingredient is 100% magnesium sulfate USP. oh geez...it says

that info regarding the contents and levels of metals in this product

is available at http://agr.wa.gov...will let you know what I find.

Where do you buy pharmaceutical grade if not in the pharmacy?

Thanks much!

Kari

> >

> > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative

> > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably

> > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Since then,

> > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt per bath.

> > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant, etc.

> > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I don't know

> > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to cause

> > more harm.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kari

> >

>

May 30, 2008

Okay, after a little searching, I was able to find this:

The epsom salts I was using contain (listed in ppm)

Sulfur 12.9

Mg 9.8

Arsenic 3

Cadmium 1

Cobalt 2

Mercury .3

Molybdenum 2

Nickel 3

Lead 3

Selenium 15

Zinc 6

Is it available with no mercury, arsenic and whatever else I should be

avoiding? If so, where?

Thanks,

Kari

wrote:

>

> I bought them in the pharmacy...but I'm sure there's more to the story

> than that. Yikes! I just went and got the bag. It says that the

> active ingredient is 100% magnesium sulfate USP. oh geez...it says

> that info regarding the contents and levels of metals in this product

> is available at http://agr.wa.gov...will let you know what I find.

> Where do you buy pharmaceutical grade if not in the pharmacy?

>

> Thanks much!

> Kari

>

> > >

> > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative

> > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably

> > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Since

then,

> > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt per bath.

> > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant,

etc.

> > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I don't know

> > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to cause

> > > more harm.

> > >

> > > Thanks,

> > > Kari

> > >

> >

>

May 30, 2008

were you using walmart swain brand?? we have been using whole foods, way more expensive but it says it's tested

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Re: bad reaction to epsom salt?

Okay, after a little searching, I was able to find this:The epsom salts I was using contain (listed in ppm)Sulfur 12.9Mg 9.8Arsenic 3Cadmium 1Cobalt 2Mercury .3Molybdenum 2Nickel 3 Lead 3Selenium 15Zinc 6Is it available with no mercury, arsenic and whatever else I should beavoiding? If so, where?Thanks,Kari wrote:>> I bought them in the pharmacy...but I'm sure there's more to the story> than that. Yikes! I just went and got the bag. It says that the> active ingredient is 100% magnesium sulfate USP. oh geez...it says> that info regarding the contents and levels of metals in this product> is available at http://agr.wa.gov...will let you know what I find. > Where do you buy pharmaceutical grade if not in the pharmacy?> > Thanks much!> Kari> > > > >> > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative> > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably> > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Sincethen,> > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt per bath.> > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant,etc.> > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I don't know> > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to cause> > > more harm.> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Kari> > >> > >> >>

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May 30, 2008

were you using walmart swain brand?? we have been using whole foods, way more expensive but it says it's tested

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Re: bad reaction to epsom salt?

Okay, after a little searching, I was able to find this:The epsom salts I was using contain (listed in ppm)Sulfur 12.9Mg 9.8Arsenic 3Cadmium 1Cobalt 2Mercury .3Molybdenum 2Nickel 3 Lead 3Selenium 15Zinc 6Is it available with no mercury, arsenic and whatever else I should beavoiding? If so, where?Thanks,Kari wrote:>> I bought them in the pharmacy...but I'm sure there's more to the story> than that. Yikes! I just went and got the bag. It says that the> active ingredient is 100% magnesium sulfate USP. oh geez...it says> that info regarding the contents and levels of metals in this product> is available at http://agr.wa.gov...will let you know what I find. > Where do you buy pharmaceutical grade if not in the pharmacy?> > Thanks much!> Kari> > > > >> > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative> > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably> > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Sincethen,> > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt per bath.> > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant,etc.> > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I don't know> > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to cause> > > more harm.> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Kari> > >> > >> >>

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May 30, 2008

We use WF's brand and I think that CVS now carries the same brand, but cheaper.

were you using walmart swain brand?? we have been using whole foods, way more expensive but it says it's tested

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Re: bad reaction to epsom salt?

Okay, after a little searching, I was able to find this:The epsom salts I was using contain (listed in ppm)Sulfur 12.9Mg 9.8Arsenic 3Cadmium 1Cobalt 2Mercury .3Molybdenum 2Nickel 3

Lead 3Selenium 15Zinc 6Is it available with no mercury, arsenic and whatever else I should beavoiding? If so, where?Thanks,Kari wrote:>> I bought them in the pharmacy...but I'm sure there's more to the story

> than that. Yikes! I just went and got the bag. It says that the> active ingredient is 100% magnesium sulfate USP. oh geez...it says> that info regarding the contents and levels of metals in this product

> is available at http://agr.wa.gov...will let you know what I find. > Where do you buy pharmaceutical grade if not in the pharmacy?> > Thanks much!

> Kari> > > > >> > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative> > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably> > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Since

then,> > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt per bath.> > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant,etc.> > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I don't know

> > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to cause> > > more harm.> > >> > > Thanks,> > > Kari> > >> > >

> >>

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May 30, 2008

It was from Wal-Mart. I don't see a real brand name on the

package...but on the bottom of the back, it says " Vi-Jon " and gives

the address of " One Swan Drive " ...so maybe that is what you're talking

about?

Kari

> > > >

> > > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative

> > > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably

> > > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Since

> then,

> > > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt

per bath.

> > > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant,

> etc.

> > > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I

don't know

> > > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to

cause

> > > > more harm.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks,

> > > > Kari

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

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May 30, 2008

I don't understand. She said the ingredients read 100% magnesium

sulfate USP and that she got it in the pharmacy. Could she have just

looked it up wrong? I am trying not to freak out about the epsom

salts I buy at Publix.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a

> negative

> > > > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial.

Probably

> > > > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub.

> Since

> > then,

> > > > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt

> per bath.

> > > > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-

> compliant,

> > etc.

> > > > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I

> don't know

> > > > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want

to

> cause

> > > > > more harm.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Kari

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 30, 2008

I don't understand. She said the ingredients read 100% magnesium

sulfate USP and that she got it in the pharmacy. Could she have just

looked it up wrong? I am trying not to freak out about the epsom

salts I buy at Publix.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a

> negative

> > > > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial.

Probably

> > > > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub.

> Since

> > then,

> > > > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt

> per bath.

> > > > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-

> compliant,

> > etc.

> > > > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I

> don't know

> > > > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want

to

> cause

> > > > > more harm.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Kari

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 30, 2008

I don't understand. She said the ingredients read 100% magnesium

sulfate USP and that she got it in the pharmacy. Could she have just

looked it up wrong? I am trying not to freak out about the epsom

salts I buy at Publix.

> > > > >

> > > > > Could someone explain to me why might be having a

> negative

> > > > > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial.

Probably

> > > > > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub.

> Since

> > then,

> > > > > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt

> per bath.

> > > > > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-

> compliant,

> > etc.

> > > > > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I

> don't know

> > > > > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want

to

> cause

> > > > > more harm.

> > > > >

> > > > > Thanks,

> > > > > Kari

> > > > >

> > > >

> > >

> >

>

May 30, 2008

Kari,

You'll find far more information on the sulfur system on

sulfurstories .

I'll post here two things I wrote a long time ago about this process to

help explain these rather overwhelming reactions. It's long, so read it

slowly and let the ideas sort of " slide in " .

I hope it helps....

At 12:42 PM 6/19/2002 +0000, you wrote:

>I tried Epsom salts in the bath based on some posts I saw on this

>board. Both of my kids were extremely emotional afterwards,

>coincidence?? I don't know enough about this yet to understand what

>it is supposed to do, or what the side effects are.

I think the trick here, which is important to know about, is that you need

to start slowly when introducing a supplement of something for which you

have been deficient a long time, and then slowly work up to more. This is

because, unlike drugs, where the quantity of a dose is set by the doctor

trying to obtain a blood level of something FOREIGN to the body,

introducing a supplement of something the body uses every day works in a

whole different way, and this can be generalized to lots of things. I'll

explain why.

Most chemical reactions happen inside cells after substances have crossed

over the cell's outer membrane. For things cells use everyday, they have

specific transporters and receptors that are expressed on the cell surface

in the quantity that is appropriate to assure an appropriate supply to that

cell type. Not all cells like the same quantity. When everything works

right, the inside of the cell gets the appropriate quantity of what it

needs of that substance. The cell wants not too much and not too little and

it knows how to adjust the availability of that substance to the inside of

the cell when the supply outside the cell changes.

If the supply of something the body uses up every day has been low for

awhile, the cell will upregulate the transporter or receptor that is

specific for that substance. Upregulation means it will put more of these

working molecules on the cell surface in order to increase the odds that

the substance will find its receptor or transporter.

When the supply has been high for a long time, the cell will also cut back

the quantity of the receptor or transporter on the cell surface. Cells are

very fluid like that: changing and adjusting constantly: not like a machine

at all! Your car doesn't increase the gas caps when its fuel supply is

low, but it doesn't have to gets its gas from the passing parade by chance

and kinetics...

So, if you have been deficient in sulfate for a long time, your cells would

have upregulated the transporters to make much of little. All over the

body, receptors that need sulfated ligands might have been upregulated as

well, trying to increase their signal or supply.

If you suddenly increase the quantity of sulfate that approaches the cell

by several fold, you can get too intense a signal, and that can be

overwhelming. That is why you should start slowly. This gives your body's

cells a chance to readjust to the new level they will be seeing. We're not

trying to overdo that level, but just to return it to something normal.

Remember that cells are accustomed to biological rhythms that change the

quantities of nutrients that cells see. This includes feeding schedules

and sleep. Cells don't make these adjustments on whim or very quickly, for

they know there will be long periods of time when the supply gets lower

just because it has been a long time since you ate something. I would

guess, for that reason, that cells tend to adjust to conditions that may

continue for at least a day or two.

The way this biology works gives me the suspicion that the children who get

the most hyper after their first epsom salts bath or baths may be the

children who have been the most deficient of this substance, and have

receptors and transporters dialed WAY up.

If you are deficient in supply, even when you have receptors or

transporters expressed at extremely high quantity, you still might be low

in quantity for the function you need. The increase of receptors or

transporters will help, but it isn't much of a solution long term.

If you get exposed to something that requires a lot of sulfate for your

body to detoxify (like phenols in fumes or foods or drugs), the level of

sulfate available for NORMAL functions will be hurting temporarily as your

body tries to recover from this demand. The loss of the function of other

molecules that use sulfate for normal function is likely what is producing

symptoms: not your body feeling toxic as if it had just been " burned " by

the substance your body was trying to detoxify. That sort of injury might

take longer and it would probably be more subtle, anyway. If you are

having neurological reactions, you are probably seeing an adjustment in the

neurological chemistry which is feeling shorted and may be overwhelmed with

sudden change.

Of course, you really need an appropriate supply of sulfate, but the story

of HOW the supply got low in the first place can be very different from

child to child, and involve organs like the kidneys, the liver and the GI

tract and systems like the immune system.

Anyway, as an example of this sort of mechanism with an entirely different

substance, I'll tell you a little about the secretin story. This sort of

receptor-quantity issue was suspected to be happening in the children with

autism who were given IV secretin. In response to the same dose that had a

predictable response in normal people, those with autism instead put out

huge quantities of pancreatic fluid. Their response was intense on the

very same dose that other patients were getting without experiencing this

overexuberant response.

Why? The sudden increase in secretin was more of a surprise for the bodies

of autistic children than it was for the other children with GI problems

being tested. The pancreas was OVER responsive to secretin probably

because this was the first good supply of secretin that it had gotten in a

long time. Scientists suspected that the amount of secretin these children

had been producing on their own had been low for a long time.

I hope all this makes sense. Your body makes secretin, but it also makes

sulfate from the amino acids cysteine and methionine. There may be a

reason this isn't happening appropriately.

I've heard of parents starting with as little as a teaspoon in the

bathwater and working up. You can also apply the solution topically, and

can control the quantity by how much surface of the skin you cover. The

half-life of sulfate in the blood is 4-9 hours.

At any rate, , and any other listmates who saw something similar

happen, please do not interpret this to mean the epsom salts were the wrong

thing...it may mean exactly the opposite! Normal people do not have any

response to epsom salts baths except maybe to feel relaxed later! They

don't get hyper or emotional...

If you have already tried reducing the quantity of epsom salts drastically

and slowly increasing the quantity, and it doesn't work to reduce this

hyper or emotional response, I'd be glad to talk to you offlist about what

else it might mean.

Anyway, I hope this helps. You've just got to think like a cell thinks!

===============

Just start slow. This may provide a huge shift in chemistry for some

children, and it may feel very different from what is normal for them, and

they need to get used to it, and their body's chemistry needs to get used

to it. Think of it as if you were absorbed in your thoughts and somebody

came behind you and just did something unexpected, like speak you're

name. You'd jump, probably. But for some of these children, epsom salts

may dial up their perceptions many notches above what they are used to, so

everything about the way they feel is suddenly a surprise.

Some effects may be immediate, but others might not show up for hours. The

body deals with this chemistry on a diurnal basis, so there is a cycle to

it. You should continue to observe your child especially the next day.

The first time my daughter had this sort of bath, she started moving twice

as fast as she ever could, which seemed a bigger shock to me than to

her! She had gross motor problems, but my, it made an impact. But for

her, this " hyperactivity " was just getting her closer to normal, for she

normally moved VERY slowly.

I sort of think applying the solution to the skin over a gradually bigger

area may be the better approach for those who were overstimulated by the

bath, but I would rely on parental comments about that for more documented

information.

For the truly " lazy " showerer: I used this technique when I was working out

at school, and showering after. After my shower was over, I would just

take a teaspoon to tablespoon of epsom salts in my hand, and rub it on my

wet skin until it dissolved, and then pat dry after that. The downside is

that your towel gets stiff, but this delivers a whopping dose. I found it

amusing that on days when I went in feeling like I wish the world would

just go away and leave me alone, I would use the epsom salts, and come out

feeling like I needed to give all the passersby on campus a great big

hug. Tell me we are not influenced by transient issues of chemistry...

At 01:03 PM 5/30/2008, you wrote:

>No other sulphur supps. I'm on 's oxalate group...I'll look

>there for info. Thanks

>

>Kari

>

> >

> > From: karicreehan karicreehan@...

> > Subject: bad reaction to epsom salt?

> > To: <mailto:mb12 valtrex%40yahoogroups.com>mb12 valtrex

> > Date: Friday, May 30, 2008, 4:18 PM

> >

> > Could someone explain to me why might be having a negative

> > reaction to Epsom Salt baths? This is my third trial. Probably

> > started too fast the first time with one cup per bathtub. Since then,

> > I've tried to restart twice with just a tablespoon of salt per bath.

> > both times, same thing. more irritable, stubborn, non-compliant, etc.

> > Is there a healing regression associated with starting? I don't know

> > if it's something I should stick with or drop. Don't want to cause

> > more harm.

> >

> > Thanks,

> > Kari

> >

>[]

>

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