Re: Stray kitten with rabies a reminder to be cautious...

[Guest guest]

That might be done to a degree. However, new cats keep showing up all the time and they range widely. I'll have to look into that to see if it is really being done.

It is they could catch neuter and realease (too easy to actually do)Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

People do drop off cats at the Walmart. Some also try to adopt kittens, but that is hit and miss since sometimes they can't work the feral out of them. I have not yet heard about attacks on people though, but it would probably only be a matter of time.

side note, when i visited Isreal 20 yrs ago. they had fereal cats(as you describe) Instead of really dealing with the issue i was told by family never to pet any cute looking kittens outside(very few people in Binei Brac had house cats) and 2 they would let out their doberman pincers out to cat kill.there were even stories of small children being attacked and bitten. cats breed 6-8 at a time so if the numbers are increasing they must be procreating, rather than abandoned animals. Even scarier one person may have brought a box of kittens to that walmart abandoned them and this is the genetic result from 3 inital kittens. I don't have much to say as in the past i had unneutered cats, but I can say the real cruelty is in allowing them to breed, to only get sick and starve later. sometimes kindheartedness isn't really kind when one sees the result. When the cats that were allowed outdoors were eaten by wolves in my area I didn't get new pets(because i felt i had sinned enough) Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

That's at the Walmart in the neighboring town. We don't go to that one since there is one here in this town that is much closer. I agree that round ups and sterilization is the way to go. It would also help if the police were allowed to ticket the people doing the feeding. Since it is only a few, maybe 12 people and none of them are rich, they could be made to stop fairly quickly. However, they say they can't spare the manpower, but I don't really believe that since that town has very low crime. Its not like they would have to do a stakeout, just have the police that are around the mall most of the time ride by now and then and issue tickets if they catch them. Very simple.

Its probably going to take a rabid cat loose in the Walmart or one of the nearby stores to get anything done.

You are right they are used to being wild and fed, so if they stop being fed they will become hungry and attack. either way it is not good. (feeding increases numbers, not feeding makes them starve) beware when you go there if you ever do. rounding up or sterilization is really a better solution (are we still talking about cats) :)Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.

[Guest guest]

>

> It isn't a cause for alarm here. Every year animals with rabies are

caught

> around the area. What is fairly new is that at one of the Walmarts

near here,

> there is a large population of stray cats. The city has told people

not to

> feed the cats, but there is a cadre of people who do anyway. This

only serves to

> increase their numbers. Rabies has appeared in one cat over there.

It is

they could catch neuter and realease (too easy to actually do)

[Guest guest]

>

> It isn't a cause for alarm here. Every year animals with rabies are

caught

> around the area. What is fairly new is that at one of the Walmarts

near here,

> there is a large population of stray cats. The city has told people

not to

> feed the cats, but there is a cadre of people who do anyway. This

only serves to

> increase their numbers. Rabies has appeared in one cat over there.

It is

they could catch neuter and realease (too easy to actually do)

[Guest guest]

side note, when i visited Isreal 20 yrs ago. they had fereal cats(as

you describe) Instead of really dealing with the issue i was told by

family never to pet any cute looking kittens outside(very few people in

Binei Brac had house cats) and 2 they would let out their doberman

pincers out to cat kill.

there were even stories of small children being attacked and bitten.

cats breed 6-8 at a time so if the numbers are increasing they must be

procreating, rather than abandoned animals. Even scarier one person

may have brought a box of kittens to that walmart abandoned them and

this is the genetic result from 3 inital kittens. I don't have much to

say as in the past i had unneutered cats, but I can say the real

cruelty is in allowing them to breed, to only get sick and starve

later. sometimes kindheartedness isn't really kind when one sees the

result. When the cats that were allowed outdoors were eaten by wolves

in my area I didn't get new pets(because i felt i had sinned enough)

[Guest guest]

>

> People do drop off cats at the Walmart. Some also try to adopt

kittens, but

> that is hit and miss since sometimes they can't work the feral out of

them. I

> have not yet heard about attacks on people though, but it would

probably only

> be a matter of time.

>

>

>

>

You are right they are used to being wild and fed, so if they stop

being fed they will become hungry and attack. either way it is not

good. (feeding increases numbers, not feeding makes them starve) beware

when you go there if you ever do. rounding up or sterilization is

really a better solution (are we still talking about cats)

[Guest guest]

>they had fereal cats(as

> you describe) Instead of really dealing with the issue i was told

by

> family never to pet any cute looking kittens outside

This is how my Aspie mother modeled and gave advice. Instead of

social overtures where we try and get neighbors involved and a

possible community solution, it's kind of an overblown health

precaution that we privately (or even secretly) overdo.

-Doug

>

> side note, when i visited Isreal 20 yrs ago. they had fereal cats

(as

> you describe) Instead of really dealing with the issue i was told

by

> family never to pet any cute looking kittens outside(very few

people in

> Binei Brac had house cats) and 2 they would let out their doberman

> pincers out to cat kill.

>

> there were even stories of small children being attacked and

bitten.

> cats breed 6-8 at a time so if the numbers are increasing they must

be

> procreating, rather than abandoned animals. Even scarier one

person

> may have brought a box of kittens to that walmart abandoned them

and

> this is the genetic result from 3 inital kittens. I don't have

much to

> say as in the past i had unneutered cats, but I can say the real

> cruelty is in allowing them to breed, to only get sick and starve

> later. sometimes kindheartedness isn't really kind when one sees

the

> result. When the cats that were allowed outdoors were eaten by

wolves

> in my area I didn't get new pets(because i felt i had sinned enough)

>

[Guest guest]

Ironic, isn't it, that a social collective can work to solve these

small problems, but forming a social collective for the purposes of

accomplishing something is considered anti-social, so most of society's

smaller problems are left unaddressed or allowed to worsen...until they

become a social or societal problem.

Tom

Administrator

This is how my Aspie mother modeled and gave advice. Instead of

social overtures where we try and get neighbors involved and a

possible community solution, it's kind of an overblown health

precaution that we privately (or even secretly) overdo.

-Doug

[Guest guest]

I think I know what you're talking about. If you go door-to-door with

a petition, for example, or set up a table at a community venue, doing

it as politely as you can, as positively as you, getting a few people

who are supportive at the beginning, for activism by oneself can be

lonely, lonely work.

People will feel put upon, people will feel you are asking them to

take on one more obligation in an already over-stretched life.

Combined that with people not being good at serious topics to begin

with, and people not being at all comfortable questioning institutions

(which has to be one of the biggest surprises of my life!).

.. . . It's an uphill struggle. Requiring an ample sense of humor.

And I know I should say " most people " or " many people " and remain open

to all the good in people--myself fully included!--but at times it

does wear me down.

I was an anti-war activist during the first Gulf War way back in

1990-91, and overall it was pretty disappointing, even my fellow

activists. It seemed, in retrospect, that many were overly on-guard

regarding " weird " people (like me!). And so when I wanted to talk

about philosophy and academic theories of ethics, which was one of my

big interests at the time, that was usually not well received, even

though I thought it fit in very well with our topic at hand.

-Doug

>

> This is how my Aspie mother modeled and gave advice. Instead of

> social overtures where we try and get neighbors involved and a

> possible community solution, it's kind of an overblown health

> precaution that we privately (or even secretly) overdo.

>

> -Doug

>

[Guest guest]

One gets the idea that for most people, activisim is limited to

showing one's upset at the injustices we see in society. Beyond that,

they are not much interested in doing anything.

For them, if it means jeopardizing anything they have worked for

(their jobs, their status in whatever community or communities they

belong to, etc.) they just do not want to get involved.

Tom

Administrator

I think I know what you're talking about. If you go door-to-door with

a petition, for example, or set up a table at a community venue, doing

it as politely as you can, as positively as you, getting a few people

who are supportive at the beginning, for activism by oneself can be

lonely, lonely work.

People will feel put upon, people will feel you are asking them to

take on one more obligation in an already over-stretched life.

Combined that with people not being good at serious topics to begin

with, and people not being at all comfortable questioning institutions

(which has to be one of the biggest surprises of my life!).

.. . . It's an uphill struggle. Requiring an ample sense of humor.

And I know I should say " most people " or " many people " and remain open

to all the good in people--myself fully included!--but at times it

does wear me down.

I was an anti-war activist during the first Gulf War way back in

1990-91, and overall it was pretty disappointing, even my fellow

activists. It seemed, in retrospect, that many were overly on-guard

regarding " weird " people (like me!). And so when I wanted to talk

about philosophy and academic theories of ethics, which was one of my

big interests at the time, that was usually not well received, even

though I thought it fit in very well with our topic at hand.

-Doug

[Guest guest]

One gets the idea that for most people, activisim is limited to

showing one's upset at the injustices we see in society. Beyond that,

they are not much interested in doing anything.

For them, if it means jeopardizing anything they have worked for

(their jobs, their status in whatever community or communities they

belong to, etc.) they just do not want to get involved.

Tom

Administrator

I think I know what you're talking about. If you go door-to-door with

a petition, for example, or set up a table at a community venue, doing

it as politely as you can, as positively as you, getting a few people

who are supportive at the beginning, for activism by oneself can be

lonely, lonely work.

People will feel put upon, people will feel you are asking them to

take on one more obligation in an already over-stretched life.

Combined that with people not being good at serious topics to begin

with, and people not being at all comfortable questioning institutions

(which has to be one of the biggest surprises of my life!).

.. . . It's an uphill struggle. Requiring an ample sense of humor.

And I know I should say " most people " or " many people " and remain open

to all the good in people--myself fully included!--but at times it

does wear me down.

I was an anti-war activist during the first Gulf War way back in

1990-91, and overall it was pretty disappointing, even my fellow

activists. It seemed, in retrospect, that many were overly on-guard

regarding " weird " people (like me!). And so when I wanted to talk

about philosophy and academic theories of ethics, which was one of my

big interests at the time, that was usually not well received, even

though I thought it fit in very well with our topic at hand.

-Doug

[Guest guest]

I found out more about what they do around here.

There is an effort to capture the cats. The cats are all examined and treated for illness and such. Those that can be tamed, usually kittens, are put up for adoption. Many adults can't be tamed, so they are sterilized and released again.

I guess in this way it isn't bad that the people feed them because it attracts new cats to the area where they can be caught and handled. It remains to be seen how it will play out in the long run.

In a message dated 1/9/2008 12:36:11 A.M. Eastern Standard Time, no_reply writes:

One gets the idea that for most people, activisim is limited to showing one's upset at the injustices we see in society. Beyond that, they are not much interested in doing anything. For them, if it means jeopardizing anything they have worked for (their jobs, their status in whatever community or communities they belong to, etc.) they just do not want to get involved.TomAdministratorI think I know what you're talking about. If you go door-to-door witha petition, for example, or set up a table at a community venue, doingit as politely as you can, as positively as you, getting a few peoplewho are supportive at the beginning, for activism by oneself can belonely, lonely work.People will feel put upon, people will feel you are asking them totake on one more obligation in an already over-stretched life.Combined that with people not being good at serious topics to beginwith, and people not being at all comfortable questioning institutions(which has to be one of the biggest surprises of my life!).. . . It's an uphill struggle. Requiring an ample sense of humor.And I know I should say "most people" or "many people" and remain opento all the good in people--myself fully included!--but at times itdoes wear me down.I was an anti-war activist during the first Gulf War way back in1990-91, and overall it was pretty disappointing, even my fellowactivists. It seemed, in retrospect, that many were overly on-guardregarding "weird" people (like me!). And so when I wanted to talkabout philosophy and academic theories of ethics, which was one of mybig interests at the time, that was usually not well received, eventhough I thought it fit in very well with our topic at hand.-Doug Start the year off right. Easy ways to stay in shape in the new year.