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Hello Bobbie I also have 3 children and two with autism. My daughter

and my son both have autism. We have lots in common.

is growing breast buds but I am so glad hasnt started her period

yet. I heard of some people giving chamomile.

I have heard good things about Brick township NJ schools. I used to

live in Pemberton NJ which is in burlington and I know my kids would of

gotten excelent services there. Instead after my husband retired military

we moved to Colorado inwhich my kids get no services. I had to fake

residency in neighboring New Mexico for services. Good thing its a border

town LOL

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Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. I

am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism (one girl and

one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this group. She has just turned

12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her period for the first time, so

there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all have done.

Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their autism,

Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most wonderful big

sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for typical

children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully included in 5th

grade and has an aide. All of the work must be modified for Alanna, but she

has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade. When we made that move, one

reason was because she is a girl and all of the schools we were looking at

had all or mostly all boys in the classes. We really wanted her to have more

female role models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends,

and one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you all,

and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on this list.

Take care,

Bobbie

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Hello Bobbie I also have 3 children and two with autism. My daughter

and my son both have autism. We have lots in common.

is growing breast buds but I am so glad hasnt started her period

yet. I heard of some people giving chamomile.

I have heard good things about Brick township NJ schools. I used to

live in Pemberton NJ which is in burlington and I know my kids would of

gotten excelent services there. Instead after my husband retired military

we moved to Colorado inwhich my kids get no services. I had to fake

residency in neighboring New Mexico for services. Good thing its a border

town LOL

-- Hello

Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. I

am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism (one girl and

one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this group. She has just turned

12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her period for the first time, so

there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all have done.

Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their autism,

Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most wonderful big

sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for typical

children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully included in 5th

grade and has an aide. All of the work must be modified for Alanna, but she

has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade. When we made that move, one

reason was because she is a girl and all of the schools we were looking at

had all or mostly all boys in the classes. We really wanted her to have more

female role models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends,

and one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you all,

and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on this list.

Take care,

Bobbie

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Hello Bobbie, I to be Sondra and adult with HFA in Ohio. I to be married and

have 4 children , 3 dx with Aspergers and one undx but felt to be with mild

AS. Welcome to group.

Sondra

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Hello Bobbie, I to be Sondra and adult with HFA in Ohio. I to be married and

have 4 children , 3 dx with Aspergers and one undx but felt to be with mild

AS. Welcome to group.

Sondra

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Hi there, and welcome, I am not at that stage yet. I have 3 children,

the middle one, Hannah who will be 9 in october is HFA,. She is in

mainstream schooling with an aide for 11 hrs 20 mins a week, and we have

discovered, that now she is in year 3, she could really do with an aide

for more time, but getting it is the problem. So, when I can, I go in

maybe 2 mornings a week, to give some help. Yes, the work for Hannah is

far too hard for her at this stage, so we have gone back and doing

things we know she can handle, but is still learning,[hopefully], as for

friends…….there are girls who do try with her, but having anything close

is so terribly hard, maybe as she gets a bit older, friends will have

more of a place in her little world. I am sure you will meet some

interesting people on here. Bye for now cheryl S [australia]

Hello

Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

(one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this group.

She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her period

for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all

have done.

Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be modified

for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade.

When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl and all of

the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys in the

classes. We really wanted her to have more female role models. She has

a best friend, and several other good friends, and one boy that wants to

marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on this

list.

Take care,

Bobbie

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Hi there, and welcome, I am not at that stage yet. I have 3 children,

the middle one, Hannah who will be 9 in october is HFA,. She is in

mainstream schooling with an aide for 11 hrs 20 mins a week, and we have

discovered, that now she is in year 3, she could really do with an aide

for more time, but getting it is the problem. So, when I can, I go in

maybe 2 mornings a week, to give some help. Yes, the work for Hannah is

far too hard for her at this stage, so we have gone back and doing

things we know she can handle, but is still learning,[hopefully], as for

friends…….there are girls who do try with her, but having anything close

is so terribly hard, maybe as she gets a bit older, friends will have

more of a place in her little world. I am sure you will meet some

interesting people on here. Bye for now cheryl S [australia]

Hello

Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

(one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this group.

She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her period

for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all

have done.

Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be modified

for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade.

When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl and all of

the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys in the

classes. We really wanted her to have more female role models. She has

a best friend, and several other good friends, and one boy that wants to

marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on this

list.

Take care,

Bobbie

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Hi Bobbie,

My daughter,, got her period in February for the first time. The

gynecologist now has her on continuous birth control pills (skipping the

placebo week) to keep her from bleeding. The gynecologist herself says she

hasn't given herself a " withdrawl bleed " in 5 years!

We have had some trouble with spotting, but otherwise everything is going

well.

Rhonda

Hello

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself.

I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism (one girl and

one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this group. She has just

turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her period for the first

time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their autism,

Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most wonderful big

sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully included

in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be modified for Alanna,

but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade. When we made that

move, one reason was because she is a girl and all of the schools we were

looking at had all or mostly all boys in the classes. We really wanted her

to have more female role models. She has a best friend, and several other

good friends, and one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's

too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you all,

and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on this list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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Hi Bobbie

Welcome to the list. My name is Tracey and I have two daughtes. Our

youngest Skylar is 101/2 years old. We have not yet had to deal with

the period issue but I can see that it is in the very near future. To

be honest the thought of it scares me to death. Skylar has been in a

regular classroom setting with a full time E.A. since kindergarten (she

is now in Gr 5). She too has a modified program but is doing well.

There are alot of people on this list who have gone through what you are

going through. They are full of information and suggestions. This is a

great list. Its good to have you with us.

Tracey

Bobbie Gallagher wrote:

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

> myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

> (one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this

> group. She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got

> her period for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear

> what you all have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

> autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

> wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

> typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

> included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be

> modified for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd

> grade. When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl

> and all of the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys

> in the classes. We really wanted her to have more female role

> models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends, and

> one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

> all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on

> this list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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Hi Bobbie

Welcome to the list. My name is Tracey and I have two daughtes. Our

youngest Skylar is 101/2 years old. We have not yet had to deal with

the period issue but I can see that it is in the very near future. To

be honest the thought of it scares me to death. Skylar has been in a

regular classroom setting with a full time E.A. since kindergarten (she

is now in Gr 5). She too has a modified program but is doing well.

There are alot of people on this list who have gone through what you are

going through. They are full of information and suggestions. This is a

great list. Its good to have you with us.

Tracey

Bobbie Gallagher wrote:

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

> myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

> (one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this

> group. She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got

> her period for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear

> what you all have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

> autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

> wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

> typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

> included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be

> modified for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd

> grade. When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl

> and all of the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys

> in the classes. We really wanted her to have more female role

> models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends, and

> one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

> all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on

> this list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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Hi Bobbie

Welcome to the list. My name is Tracey and I have two daughtes. Our

youngest Skylar is 101/2 years old. We have not yet had to deal with

the period issue but I can see that it is in the very near future. To

be honest the thought of it scares me to death. Skylar has been in a

regular classroom setting with a full time E.A. since kindergarten (she

is now in Gr 5). She too has a modified program but is doing well.

There are alot of people on this list who have gone through what you are

going through. They are full of information and suggestions. This is a

great list. Its good to have you with us.

Tracey

Bobbie Gallagher wrote:

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

> myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

> (one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this

> group. She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got

> her period for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear

> what you all have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

> autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

> wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

> typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

> included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be

> modified for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd

> grade. When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl

> and all of the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys

> in the classes. We really wanted her to have more female role

> models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends, and

> one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

> all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on

> this list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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Hi Bobbie

Welcome to the list. My name is Tracey and I have two daughtes. Our

youngest Skylar is 101/2 years old. We have not yet had to deal with

the period issue but I can see that it is in the very near future. To

be honest the thought of it scares me to death. Skylar has been in a

regular classroom setting with a full time E.A. since kindergarten (she

is now in Gr 5). She too has a modified program but is doing well.

There are alot of people on this list who have gone through what you are

going through. They are full of information and suggestions. This is a

great list. Its good to have you with us.

Tracey

Bobbie Gallagher wrote:

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

> myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

> (one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this

> group. She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got

> her period for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear

> what you all have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

> autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

> wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

> typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

> included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be

> modified for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd

> grade. When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl

> and all of the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys

> in the classes. We really wanted her to have more female role

> models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends, and

> one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

> all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on

> this list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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How did you get an aid in a private school? My daughter is in a

private school and has a very small class of 17 so i hate to move her

to a public school where classes are larger....our district claims it

is illegal. karen

On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 09:55 AM, Bobbie Gallagher wrote:

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

> myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

> (one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this

> group. She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got

> her period for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear

> what you all have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

> autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

> wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

> typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

> included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be

> modified for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd

> grade. When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl

> and all of the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys

> in the classes. We really wanted her to have more female role models.

> She has a best friend, and several other good friends, and one boy

> that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

> all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on

> this list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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My daughter is 8 and will be going to 3rd grade, mainstreamed but

pulled for reading and math, no aid. So third is more stressful than

2nd..how do we cope??? Z. springfied, illinois

On Monday, March 31, 2003, at 02:23 PM, Mark Sommerfeld wrote:

> Hi there, and welcome, I am not at that stage yet. I have 3 children,

> the middle one, Hannah who will be 9 in october is HFA,. She is in

> mainstream schooling with an aide for 11 hrs 20 mins a week, and we

> have

> discovered, that now she is in year 3, she could really do with an aide

> for more time, but getting it is the problem. So, when I can, I go in

> maybe 2 mornings a week, to give some help. Yes, the work for Hannah is

> far too hard for her at this stage, so we have gone back and doing

> things we know she can handle, but is still learning,[hopefully], as

> for

> friends…….there are girls who do try with her, but having anything

> close

> is so terribly hard, maybe as she gets a bit older, friends will have

> more of a place in her little world. I am sure you will meet some

> interesting people on here. Bye for now cheryl S [australia]

>

> Hello

>

>

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

> myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

> (one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this

> group.

> She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her

> period

> for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all

> have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

> autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

> wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

> typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

> included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be

> modified

> for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade.

> When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl and all of

> the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys in the

> classes. We really wanted her to have more female role models. She

> has

> a best friend, and several other good friends, and one boy that wants

> to

> marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

> all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on

> this

> list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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Even with her aide, I find now that I have to go in and sit with her

when I can, to just get her to get what work she is capable of doing

like the rest of the class, otherwise I fear she would do nothing each

morning. It puts a strain on everyone when this has to happen as then

the housework goes to all heck etc...........but for now, she comes

first, not sure how we cope, we just do!!! Cheryl s [australia]

Hello

>

>

> Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce

> myself. I am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism

> (one girl and one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this

> group.

> She has just turned 12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her

> period

> for the first time, so there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all

> have done.

>

> Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their

> autism, Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most

> wonderful big sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

>

> We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for

> typical children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully

> included in 5th grade and has an aide. All of the work must be

> modified

> for Alanna, but she has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade.

> When we made that move, one reason was because she is a girl and all

of

> the schools we were looking at had all or mostly all boys in the

> classes. We really wanted her to have more female role models. She

> has

> a best friend, and several other good friends, and one boy that wants

> to

> marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

>

> Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you

> all, and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on

> this

> list.

>

> Take care,

> Bobbie

>

>

>

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taken from the email below.

>>I have heard good things about >>Brick township NJ schools.

Don't believe everything you hear, they have a great PR push going on.

Bobbie

Hello

Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. I

am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism (one girl and

one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this group. She has just turned

12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her period for the first time, so

there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all have done.

Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their autism,

Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most wonderful big

sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for typical

children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully included in 5th

grade and has an aide. All of the work must be modified for Alanna, but she

has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade. When we made that move, one

reason was because she is a girl and all of the schools we were looking at

had all or mostly all boys in the classes. We really wanted her to have more

female role models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends,

and one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you all,

and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on this list.

Take care,

Bobbie

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taken from the email below.

>>I have heard good things about >>Brick township NJ schools.

Don't believe everything you hear, they have a great PR push going on.

Bobbie

Hello

Hello to all, I am new to this group and just wanted to introduce myself. I

am Bobbie Gallagher, I have three children, two with autism (one girl and

one boy). Alanna is the reason I have joined this group. She has just turned

12 February 24, and last Thursday she got her period for the first time, so

there's an issue I'd love to hear what you all have done.

Alanna and Austin are both moderate to severely affected by their autism,

Alanna less so that Austin (age 10). They both have the most wonderful big

sister Chelsea (age 13), and the best Dad ever.

We live in Brick Township, NJ. Alanna goes to a private school for typical

children, along with her sister, Chelsea and she is fully included in 5th

grade and has an aide. All of the work must be modified for Alanna, but she

has done well in this setting since, 2nd grade. When we made that move, one

reason was because she is a girl and all of the schools we were looking at

had all or mostly all boys in the classes. We really wanted her to have more

female role models. She has a best friend, and several other good friends,

and one boy that wants to marry her and take care of her, he's too cute.

Well that's all for now, just wanted to say hi, hope to hear from you all,

and maybe even meet up with a few old friends that might be on this list.

Take care,

Bobbie

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Social attitudes to creativity

Although the benefits of creativity to society as a whole have been

noted,[52] social attitudes about this topic remain divided. The

wealth of literature regarding the development of creativity[53] and

the profusion of creativity techniques indicate wide acceptance, at

least among academics, that creativity is desirable.

There is, however, a dark side to creativity, in that it represents

a " quest for a radical autonomy apart from the constraints of social

responsibility " .[54] In other words, by encouraging creativity we are

encouraging a departure from society's existing norms and values.

Expectation of conformity runs contrary to the spirit of creativity.

Nevertheless, employers are increasingly valuing creative skills. A

report by the Business Council of Australia, for example, has called

for a higher level of creativity in graduates.[55] The ability

to " think outside the box " is highly sought after. However, the above-

mentioned paradox may well imply that firms pay lipservice to

thinking outside the box while maintaining traditional, hierarchical

organization structures in which individual creativity is not

rewarded.

This was taken from wikipedia. Let's choose harmony and understanding

rather than arguing about the word aberration. Sometimes I feel like

there's a set way to help people in the world like the disaster

victims of Hurricane katrina or the victims of indonesia tsunami but,

it's hard finding a realistic way to help people. I think there is a

community outreach center or volunteer organisation in my area that

I'd like to go to and I just haven't found the time to do it. I feel

like creating things for people but, in order to do that I'd have to

generate revenue through a job. I'm getting a decent job soon and

hopefully that will help me to start helping people.

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Nick wrote: "This was taken from wikipedia. Let's choose harmony and understanding rather than arguing about the word aberration."

In order to choose harmony and understanding, one must use appropriate and correct words and images to portray the meaning of their words and thoughts

From "Alice In Wonderland" --

'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.--I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud.

'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare.

'Exactly so,' said Alice.

'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on.

'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least -- at least I mean what I say -- that's the same thing, you know.'

'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that "I see what I eat" is the same thing as "I eat what I see"!'

'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that "I like what I get" is the same thing as "I get what I like"!'

'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that "I breathe when I sleep" is the same thing as "I sleep when I breathe"!'

'It is the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much.

So while I understand you want to squeak out of this discussion by way of making light of the misuse of the word aberrant, I am sorry to say that I feel I have to underscore strongly that misuse of words leads to misperceptions and disinformation being put out to the rest of the group.

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Squeak out?.................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................... I'm way too busy reseaching things right now to get into a petty argument with a person who enjoys bullying me. ravenmagic2003 wrote: Nick wrote:

"This was taken from wikipedia. Let's choose harmony and understanding rather than arguing about the word aberration." In order to choose harmony and understanding, one must use appropriate and correct words and images to portray the meaning of their words and thoughts From "Alice In Wonderland" -- 'Come, we shall have some fun now!' thought Alice. 'I'm glad they've begun asking riddles.--I believe I can guess that,' she added aloud. 'Do you mean that you think you can find out the answer to it?' said the March Hare. 'Exactly so,' said Alice. 'Then you should say what you mean,' the March Hare went on. 'I do,' Alice hastily replied; 'at least -- at least I mean what I say -- that's the same thing, you know.' 'Not the same thing a bit!' said the Hatter. 'You might just as well say that "I see what I eat" is the same thing as "I eat what I see"!' 'You might just as well say,' added the March Hare, 'that "I like what I get" is the same thing as "I get what I like"!' 'You might just as well say,' added the Dormouse, who seemed to be talking in his sleep, 'that "I breathe when I sleep" is the same thing as "I sleep when I breathe"!' 'It is the same thing with you,' said the Hatter, and here the conversation dropped, and the

party sat silent for a minute, while Alice thought over all she could remember about ravens and writing-desks, which wasn't much. So while I understand you want to squeak out of this discussion by way of making light of the misuse of the word aberrant, I am sorry to say that I feel I have to underscore strongly that misuse of words leads to misperceptions and disinformation being put out to the rest of the group. RavenCo-Administrator

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Nick wrote: " ... <snip> ... I'm way too busy reseaching things right

now to get into a petty argument with a person who enjoys bullying me. "

Just because you are crying 'wolf' does not mean that a wolf is at your

door.

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