Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 " Oxytocin has long been known to regulate social interactions, among other things. And autism, which involves marked social difficulties, has been linked to low oxytocin levels. " Thus, the authors of two recent studies suggest oxytocin might help treat autism. One team also reported that such a treatment improved autistic patients' ability to detect emotion in speech. " My experience is that autistics have no trouble detecting emotions in speech. The problem is that OTHERS don't detect autistics detecting emotions in speech, thus it would appear that the problem lies with everyone else, not the autistics. Further, maybe autistics are supposed to be what they are. Lots of us have synesthesia. Are NTs supposed to use LSD so that they can experience the same effects? Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 " Oxytocin has long been known to regulate social interactions, among other things. And autism, which involves marked social difficulties, has been linked to low oxytocin levels. " Thus, the authors of two recent studies suggest oxytocin might help treat autism. One team also reported that such a treatment improved autistic patients' ability to detect emotion in speech. " My experience is that autistics have no trouble detecting emotions in speech. The problem is that OTHERS don't detect autistics detecting emotions in speech, thus it would appear that the problem lies with everyone else, not the autistics. Further, maybe autistics are supposed to be what they are. Lots of us have synesthesia. Are NTs supposed to use LSD so that they can experience the same effects? Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Nick wrote: " ... <snip> ... In order to be creative there has to be some sort of aberrant pathway that one can access and many times it's interpreted as autistic if it isn't with conventional terms ... <snip> ... " I disagree with the use of the word " aberrant " to describe creativity. Aberrant means " straying from the right or normal way " and/or " deviating from the usual or natural type. " Those who are creative are not straying from what is normal for them and who is to say what is right and what is not right as it pertains to the creative process? Furthermore, creativity does not deviate " from the usual " since creativity is required in a number of fields from the arts through to the sciences and many fields in between. As for creativity " deviating from the natural type " this refers in medicine to that which causes the body to act or react incorrectly thereby exacerbating a medical condition. I do not see where creativity interferes with the physical body thereby causing it to act or react incorrectly. Therefore creativity is not arrived at by way of aberrant pathways. Raven Co-Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 > > " Oxytocin has long been known to regulate social interactions, among > other things. And autism, which involves marked social difficulties, > has been linked to low oxytocin levels. > > " Thus, the authors of two recent studies suggest oxytocin might help > treat autism. One team also reported that such a treatment improved > autistic patients' ability to detect emotion in speech. " > > My experience is that autistics have no trouble detecting emotions in > speech. The problem is that OTHERS don't detect autistics detecting > emotions in speech, thus it would appear that the problem lies with > everyone else, not the autistics. > > Further, maybe autistics are supposed to be what they are. Lots of us > have synesthesia. Are NTs supposed to use LSD so that they can > experience the same effects? > > Tom > Administrator > You know what I think, I am able to read others faces but what I read is what they don't want others to know. so what I see is the truth. When i was a under-teenaged person other kids thought I was weird, because i knew what they were saying and i was able to state it. It made them mad because they couldn't hide from me. They couldn't lie, as i got older I kept being told i was wrong(with exceptions being my true friends and members of my family) who thought I was accurate. I was told to be a psycologist. which i can't because I am effected too much. Anyway people lie to themselves and other and for me anyway I upset people when i say what they are really thinking. so looks have SeveraL meanings not just the clinial hey is this person happy or scared. (alot is going on in a face not just one emotion) I know i write badly. I write the way I think in a burst. So the way I write is like emotions registering on a face. It is an explosion of thought, so not one thing. and i like what you said Tom mimi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 So, with that said, I think it's best if everyone here keeps > aware that there's more satisfaction to be had by helping rebuild than to be consumers in the time that we have. > >yes Nick I agree with you I don't want myself or my son to be anyone's product or revenue stream. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 > I disagree with the use of the word " aberrant " to describe > creativity. Aberrant means " straying from the right or normal way " > and/or " deviating from the usual or natural type. " > > Those who are creative are not straying from what is normal for them > and who is to say what is right and what is not right as it pertains > to the creative process? > > Furthermore, creativity does not deviate " from the usual " since > creativity is required in a number of fields from the arts through to > the sciences and many fields in between. > > As for creativity " deviating from the natural type " this refers in > medicine to that which causes the body to act or react incorrectly > thereby exacerbating a medical condition. I do not see where > creativity interferes with the physical body thereby causing it to > act or react incorrectly. > > Therefore creativity is not arrived at by way of aberrant pathways. > > Raven > Co-Administrator > I think we are the ones using all of our stuff!!! I think people who lie about what they feel are aberrant. They take away from their own humaness. It is only through honest information that there can be progression. what is odd is that lying is " normal " or " natural " so in sweeping terms i agree with everyone that has posted. See we are human I think talking to humans is the only thing that can keep me hopeful(well of course I define humans as honest sentient creatures, able to speak) Maybe that is why many prefer the company of animals (they don't lie) there is no reason to Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 17, 2008 Report Share Posted January 17, 2008 Nick wrote: " ... <snip> ... Aberrant is off the list. How about something else? Aberrant simply means straying from the natural path ... <snip> ... " In your previous post you said that creativity was an aberrant pathway and it is the use of the word aberrant as it pertains to creativity with which I do not agree. Humans, primates, mammals and many birds adapt to survive by being creative. Since being creative in the context of survival is a natural outgrowth of the survival instinct, creativity can hardly be called aberrant. Here is what is the natural path for the human brain, Nick. At the center of arousal and motivation in all animals is what is referred to as the Reticular Activating System. The only part of the brain that is targeted by anesthesia is the Reticular Activating System. The Reticular Activating System is crucial to achieving and maintaining an alert state of mind. The brain's default state is the Alpha State where automaticness works when the Reticular Activating System seems to be absent. It really isn't absent but rather the automaticness of repetition kicks in. Breathing happens in an Alpha State (you rarely have to think about breathing). Have you ever driven someplace you've been to a number of times, only to realize that you have no recollection of driving there although you are aware you were the one doing the driving? That's because you got there in an Alpha State and that's all right. But the Beta State, when the Reticular Activating System is in full gear, is when full awareness happens. The Reticular Activating System becomes is the filter for the incoming information. All stimulus enters through three portals: 1. Familiar 2. Unusual 3. Problematic If it enters through " familiar " then the automaticness I spoke of occurs. If it enters through either " unusual " or " problematic " then the Reticular Activating System devotes major brain bandwidth to logically resolving the conflict that interferes with automaticness. In the Beta State, the Reticular Activating System instantly seeks out any and all clarifying information. If the brain finds no relevant clarifying information, it will revert to the Alpha State. This is what is known as a False Beta. It is illogical for the brain to devote energy to solve a non-existent problem and os it defaults back to Alpha State. An example of a False Beta would be if there were two individuals in a room named Nick. If a third individual walked into the room and said, " Nick ... " and you answered only to find out that the person meant the other Nick, you would go back to what you were doing previous to hearing your name called. Reacting to the sound of your name being called would be a False Beta as you realized the third person was not referring to you when the individual called out, " Nick ... " It would illogical for your brain to continue on the False Beta line of thought and so you basically ignore that thought process and go back to your Alpha State. Relevant claryfiying information for Beta States becomes a Reticular Activating System sponge and from the collection of relevant clarifying information, creativity kicks in as a logical solution is sought. If the information gathered is irrelevant, the Reticular Activating System discards it completely. Therefore, creativity in humans IS the natural path/pathway. Lack of creativity is aberrant. It is important to use the correct word and in this case, aberrant is not the correct word when referring to creativity. Raven Co-Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 " so looks have SeveraL meanings not just the clinial hey is this person happy or scared. (alot is going on in a face not just one emotion) " One needs to keep in mind that looks are also learned. For those babies who do look their parents and siblings in the eyes, they grow up to mimic those looks when they experience emotions. It has been ingrained in their psyche and becomes second nature. " I am angry so my face contorts into this shape. " But many people use these expressions to manipulate, and most people are not aware of that fact. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 18, 2008 Report Share Posted January 18, 2008 " Autism has been said to be caused by excess glutamate. " That has long since been proven false. Autism is genetic and has not " trigger. " Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 It annoys me that people lie, to themselves and others - when it is quite clear and still they deny it. The classic one I find I guess comes under social politeness - but personally I find it really confusing and would prefer the truth. Recently I had my mum tell me she was 'fine and doing well' I could see her practically holding back the tears as she was saying this. I did not know how to respond, it was clear what she was saying and how she really was were totally different. I sat there thinking, should I point out the obvious? If I did I likely would be in trouble and be blamed for making her feel bad, even though she already was. Basically she was denying her own feelings/emotions and if I were to point them out I would be blamed for making her aware of them. I couldn't agree with what she'd said, as I would be verifying a lie - helping her hide from her own emotions - in a situation like that I really do not know what the best thing to do is. I did later (another day) point out to her about her emotions - she didn't deny, nor verify, instead I saw the look of aknowledgement, a quick fleeting thought and then she quickly changed the subject. It is frustrating knowing I am correct oftentimes, but have the other person still deny it. A friend I have known years will often say she is fine, when it obvious she isn't. When she says she is fine and I know she isn't, I just say 'no you aren't' she seems surprised that I know - I point out I've known her for years, to me it is obvious how she is really feeling and I don't have to be face to face with people to pick up how they are feeling either. One other thing - these pills the original post was referring to cause people to trust more - is it just me, but I personally don't see that as being a good thing. I can't help but read 'more trusting' as possibly 'more gullible', 'more easily taken advantage of'. > > > > " Oxytocin has long been known to regulate social interactions, among > > other things. And autism, which involves marked social difficult ies, > > has been linked to low oxytocin levels. > > > > " Thus, the authors of two recent studies suggest oxytocin might help > > treat autism. One team also reported that such a treatment im proved > > autistic patients' ability to detect emotion in speech. " > > > > My experience is that autistics have no trouble detecting emotions > in > > speech. The problem is that OTHERS don't detect autistics detecting > > emotions in speech, thus it would appear that the problem lies with > > everyone else, not the autistics. > > > > Further, maybe autistics are supposed to be what they are. Lots of > us > > have synesthesia. Are NTs supposed to use LSD so that they can > > experience the same effects? > > > > Tom > > Administrator > > > You know what I think, I am able to read others faces but what I read > is what they don't want others to know. so what I see is the truth. > When i was a under-teenaged person other kids thought I was weird, > because i knew what they were saying and i was able to state it. It > made them mad because they couldn't hide from me. They couldn't lie, > as i got older I kept being told i was wrong(with exceptions being my > true friends and members of my family) who thought I was accurate. > I was told to be a psycologist. which i can't because I am effected > too much. Anyway people lie to themselves and other and for me > anyway I upset people when i say what they are really thinking. so > looks have SeveraL meanings not just the clinial hey is this person > happy or scared. (alot is going on in a face not just one emotion) > > I know i write badly. I write the way I think in a burst. So the way > I write is like emotions registering on a face. It is an explosion > of thought, so not one thing. and i like what you said Tom > > mimi > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 20, 2008 Report Share Posted January 20, 2008 " One other thing - these pills the original post was referring to cause people to trust more - is it just me, but I personally don't see that as being a good thing. I can't help but read 'more trusting' as possibly 'more gullible', 'more easily taken advantage of'. " I think we are given perceptions for a reason. If we cannot trust someone, then there is probably a reason for it, even if we cannot identify what that reason is. I think taking a pill that would cause people to trust more would be a bad idea. As for people saying they are " fine " when they are not, it usually means they are not fine, but don't want to talk about it, or maybe they do want to talk about it, but they want people to pester it out of them. Some people like the attention such pestering brings. When someone tells me they are " fine " I simply do not persist with questions, figuring that if they want to tell me something, they will. This tends to increase their annoyance at me, unfortunately, because lots of times they are indeed wanting me to pester them for an answer about what is going on. Tom Administrator Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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