Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

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This is an interesting question! I believe that my wonderful 7-year-old AS son, Charlie, also sees in pictures. His brilliant, engineering oriented, NT (I think ) ) father thinks the same way. So does my brilliant, artistic, NT (female) boss.

In my opionion, this is more about learning styles, versus NT or AS or PDD. I do not think in pictures. I see more in concepts. I can read the words and get it. Secondly, I can get most of it from pictures, but lastly (most poorly) can I get a concept from just listening. Frequently I say to people, "Put that in writing" so that I can "get it." I know many other people who are quite different from myself. My artistic boss can visualize what a new product will look like, actually manufactured and in an early childhood classroom. It takes me longer to get there. I think more conceptually what the product "should look like," using logic and what I know, etc. I can visualize in 3-D somewhat (probably above average), but not to the extent she can. But, I can draw a rough sketch (I am creative, but not artistic, if that makes sense to anyone), then explain it to my husband, who can draw it quite artistically but does not understand some of the philosophical concepts involved in a good design for young children. My boss can take what my husband and I produce, and take it to an even higher level. It is all about learning styles, in my opinion. There are those who learn auditorally (Listening to tapes or talking to people to gleam their ideas -- this is definitely not me), those who learn by seeing pictures or images or "wholes" (such as Trish, Freestone, and my son), and those like me, who see things more as verbal concepts which later evolve into the other. Someone (was it you, Freestone??) described AS learning as learning in wholes, or learning in chunks. I can definitely see that from my son and the amazing spurts in which he learns.

Sad thing about it is, that I believe those who learn logically or from the printed word (like myself), versus in the more creative fashions, tend to do better in academics in our society because of the way that our academic institutions are fashioned. After all, if you cannot "get it" from reading (that is, standardized tests, etc.) in our society, you are probably doomed for a lot of trouble if not failure.

I am one of those lucky ones who always excelled on those kinds of tests. Yet, in case you can't tell, I strongly disapprove of them as they are usually used. Expecially in early childhood (birth through 3rd grade). It took my having an ADD son and an AS son to perhaps make me realize this. One of 3 daughters, I now have 3 "special" sons. Someone told me this was proof that "God has a sense of humor!!!!" I think fondly of that remark from time to time. I do believe that this has caused me to be much more open-minded and much more understanding of the great diversity of folks on the earth. It trully does take us all to make the whole.

I do feel that my 7-year-old AS son, Charlie, is in many ways a superior being to those of us who are "NT". I just do not fully understand it all yet. ) He is now begging for a ceiling fan (so he can put it together, which I have no doubt that he could easily do) versus his earlier request for light bulbs versus toys. Where is this going ??????? Will I survive???? . . . . . . . .

Betty Jo Marshall

on the way to grandmother's house!>>>>>>>>>>for i have found that any one thing MUST meansomething else, in ASSOCIATION, or else that one thingwill not be real, not even be noticed!--if someone tells me their name, it is gone in .00023seconds, unless i make an association with it to apicture thought.--when i take a trip to somewhere, like by Amtrack,the trip itself is JUST as important to me inenjoyment as the destination. all of the trip is partof the trip.i wonder how so many people just can mainlinethemselves down that horzontal elevator called the"interstate" for 600 miles and not feel disturbedabout it...but maybe these people DO find that thedestination is ALL to their vacations!<<<<<<<<<<<Freestone,I am with you all the way. )For I know the term 'thinking in pictures' the way Temple Grandin says inher book, but I really don't know what the other way of thinking is?Can anybody tell me?Trish

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This is an interesting question! I believe that my wonderful 7-year-old AS son, Charlie, also sees in pictures. His brilliant, engineering oriented, NT (I think ) ) father thinks the same way. So does my brilliant, artistic, NT (female) boss.

In my opionion, this is more about learning styles, versus NT or AS or PDD. I do not think in pictures. I see more in concepts. I can read the words and get it. Secondly, I can get most of it from pictures, but lastly (most poorly) can I get a concept from just listening. Frequently I say to people, "Put that in writing" so that I can "get it." I know many other people who are quite different from myself. My artistic boss can visualize what a new product will look like, actually manufactured and in an early childhood classroom. It takes me longer to get there. I think more conceptually what the product "should look like," using logic and what I know, etc. I can visualize in 3-D somewhat (probably above average), but not to the extent she can. But, I can draw a rough sketch (I am creative, but not artistic, if that makes sense to anyone), then explain it to my husband, who can draw it quite artistically but does not understand some of the philosophical concepts involved in a good design for young children. My boss can take what my husband and I produce, and take it to an even higher level. It is all about learning styles, in my opinion. There are those who learn auditorally (Listening to tapes or talking to people to gleam their ideas -- this is definitely not me), those who learn by seeing pictures or images or "wholes" (such as Trish, Freestone, and my son), and those like me, who see things more as verbal concepts which later evolve into the other. Someone (was it you, Freestone??) described AS learning as learning in wholes, or learning in chunks. I can definitely see that from my son and the amazing spurts in which he learns.

Sad thing about it is, that I believe those who learn logically or from the printed word (like myself), versus in the more creative fashions, tend to do better in academics in our society because of the way that our academic institutions are fashioned. After all, if you cannot "get it" from reading (that is, standardized tests, etc.) in our society, you are probably doomed for a lot of trouble if not failure.

I am one of those lucky ones who always excelled on those kinds of tests. Yet, in case you can't tell, I strongly disapprove of them as they are usually used. Expecially in early childhood (birth through 3rd grade). It took my having an ADD son and an AS son to perhaps make me realize this. One of 3 daughters, I now have 3 "special" sons. Someone told me this was proof that "God has a sense of humor!!!!" I think fondly of that remark from time to time. I do believe that this has caused me to be much more open-minded and much more understanding of the great diversity of folks on the earth. It trully does take us all to make the whole.

I do feel that my 7-year-old AS son, Charlie, is in many ways a superior being to those of us who are "NT". I just do not fully understand it all yet. ) He is now begging for a ceiling fan (so he can put it together, which I have no doubt that he could easily do) versus his earlier request for light bulbs versus toys. Where is this going ??????? Will I survive???? . . . . . . . .

Betty Jo Marshall

on the way to grandmother's house!>>>>>>>>>>for i have found that any one thing MUST meansomething else, in ASSOCIATION, or else that one thingwill not be real, not even be noticed!--if someone tells me their name, it is gone in .00023seconds, unless i make an association with it to apicture thought.--when i take a trip to somewhere, like by Amtrack,the trip itself is JUST as important to me inenjoyment as the destination. all of the trip is partof the trip.i wonder how so many people just can mainlinethemselves down that horzontal elevator called the"interstate" for 600 miles and not feel disturbedabout it...but maybe these people DO find that thedestination is ALL to their vacations!<<<<<<<<<<<Freestone,I am with you all the way. )For I know the term 'thinking in pictures' the way Temple Grandin says inher book, but I really don't know what the other way of thinking is?Can anybody tell me?Trish

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Dear Trish:

Not "thinking in pictures", I think I would most simply describe as just "talking to myself in my brain." I think about things logically, as if carrying on a conversation, but do not necessarily see images (I may or may not see images.) I do have very vivid dreams frequently, but that is different from the day-to-day normal process.

Thinking the way I do facilitates, I believe, rote memorization. I can see words or letters in my mind (which helps at test time!!) versus pictures. But, I am great at forgetting what I don't feel I need after test time. (

Betty Jo Marshall

PS -One son out of 3 shares my learning style. He is a terrific student, and needless to say, easier for me to understand. But I love a good challenge and will dedicate the rest of my life to trying to better understand the other two. Where did these genes come from !?!?!?!?!?! A better question is: how can we better help society accept the other two as "normal"??

on the way to grandmother's house!>>>>>>>>>>for i have found that any one thing MUST meansomething else, in ASSOCIATION, or else that one thingwill not be real, not even be noticed!--if someone tells me their name, it is gone in .00023seconds, unless i make an association with it to apicture thought.--when i take a trip to somewhere, like by Amtrack,the trip itself is JUST as important to me inenjoyment as the destination. all of the trip is partof the trip.i wonder how so many people just can mainlinethemselves down that horzontal elevator called the"interstate" for 600 miles and not feel disturbedabout it...but maybe these people DO find that thedestination is ALL to their vacations!<<<<<<<<<<<Freestone,I am with you all the way. )For I know the term 'thinking in pictures' the way Temple Grandin says inher book, but I really don't know what the other way of thinking is?Can anybody tell me?Trish

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Dear Trish:

Not "thinking in pictures", I think I would most simply describe as just "talking to myself in my brain." I think about things logically, as if carrying on a conversation, but do not necessarily see images (I may or may not see images.) I do have very vivid dreams frequently, but that is different from the day-to-day normal process.

Thinking the way I do facilitates, I believe, rote memorization. I can see words or letters in my mind (which helps at test time!!) versus pictures. But, I am great at forgetting what I don't feel I need after test time. (

Betty Jo Marshall

PS -One son out of 3 shares my learning style. He is a terrific student, and needless to say, easier for me to understand. But I love a good challenge and will dedicate the rest of my life to trying to better understand the other two. Where did these genes come from !?!?!?!?!?! A better question is: how can we better help society accept the other two as "normal"??

on the way to grandmother's house!>>>>>>>>>>for i have found that any one thing MUST meansomething else, in ASSOCIATION, or else that one thingwill not be real, not even be noticed!--if someone tells me their name, it is gone in .00023seconds, unless i make an association with it to apicture thought.--when i take a trip to somewhere, like by Amtrack,the trip itself is JUST as important to me inenjoyment as the destination. all of the trip is partof the trip.i wonder how so many people just can mainlinethemselves down that horzontal elevator called the"interstate" for 600 miles and not feel disturbedabout it...but maybe these people DO find that thedestination is ALL to their vacations!<<<<<<<<<<<Freestone,I am with you all the way. )For I know the term 'thinking in pictures' the way Temple Grandin says inher book, but I really don't know what the other way of thinking is?Can anybody tell me?Trish

[Guest guest]

Dear Trish:

Not "thinking in pictures", I think I would most simply describe as just "talking to myself in my brain." I think about things logically, as if carrying on a conversation, but do not necessarily see images (I may or may not see images.) I do have very vivid dreams frequently, but that is different from the day-to-day normal process.

Thinking the way I do facilitates, I believe, rote memorization. I can see words or letters in my mind (which helps at test time!!) versus pictures. But, I am great at forgetting what I don't feel I need after test time. (

Betty Jo Marshall

PS -One son out of 3 shares my learning style. He is a terrific student, and needless to say, easier for me to understand. But I love a good challenge and will dedicate the rest of my life to trying to better understand the other two. Where did these genes come from !?!?!?!?!?! A better question is: how can we better help society accept the other two as "normal"??

on the way to grandmother's house!>>>>>>>>>>for i have found that any one thing MUST meansomething else, in ASSOCIATION, or else that one thingwill not be real, not even be noticed!--if someone tells me their name, it is gone in .00023seconds, unless i make an association with it to apicture thought.--when i take a trip to somewhere, like by Amtrack,the trip itself is JUST as important to me inenjoyment as the destination. all of the trip is partof the trip.i wonder how so many people just can mainlinethemselves down that horzontal elevator called the"interstate" for 600 miles and not feel disturbedabout it...but maybe these people DO find that thedestination is ALL to their vacations!<<<<<<<<<<<Freestone,I am with you all the way. )For I know the term 'thinking in pictures' the way Temple Grandin says inher book, but I really don't know what the other way of thinking is?Can anybody tell me?Trish

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Betty Jo hi,

>In my opionion, this is more about learning styles, versus NT or AS or PDD.

In NLP these learning styles are called representational systems. Visual,

auditory , auditory digital(sequential) and kinesthetic ( feeling, emotion

and touch). An observer can actually tell which one a person is using at

the time. I can do this. In order to understand a word, a person MUST use

one of these systems to make sense. As you can imagine each rep system

works better for different tasks. This can be happening unconsciously.

I do not think in pictures. I see more in concepts.

Auditory digital. But then....you did say see.

Tasks often involve the use of a series of representational systems

I can read the words and get it.

Visual then kinesthetic?

In any case, there is a whole language to desribe what you're onto here and

a set of visual cues and verbal cues to witness it in some one. Sequences

of these steps can be used to teach someone how best to do a task.

Ric

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Ha Betty Jo,

Had to give this some thougts...

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

>>>This is an interesting question! I believe that my wonderful

7-year-old AS son, Charlie, also sees in pictures. His brilliant,

engineering oriented, NT (I think ) ) father thinks the same way.

So does my brilliant, artistic, NT (female) boss.<<<

Ahhh. So not ALL ASD people do think in pictures. And some/lots of NT

people do it too huh )

So I cannot be sure Ruud thinks the same way.. hmmmm

>>>In my opionion, this is more about learning styles, versus NT

or AS or PDD. I do not think in pictures. I see more in concepts. I

can read the words and get it. <<<

Well wouldn't that be something! That certainly would save me some

time, well better said, lots of time )

For years I thought I was just slow, well or dumb, or .... fill in )

For it takes a lot of time, no, it takes ME a lot of time, thinking

this way.

Maybe I use the wrong words for it, or am I ALL WRONG about this but I

thought it had everything to do with the lack of able to abstract

thinking.

For instance when Ruud was diagnosed, the psychologist tried to

explain autism. I understood parts and bits, when she coloured her

explanations with examples. And I found out more about autism just by

reading and reading stories, experiences of adults of autikids, and

ASD adults themselves so I could picture myself what autism is.

When I am talking with someone and the subject is abstract,

I 'translate'

and 'store' his words by/with a self-selected example/picture. This

could be oh so wrong picked by me. And then I can easily loose track.

And confuses me.

So if there is time (and it is a 1-on-1-situation) I ask for examples

or give examples and ask if I am right. But there is not always time

or opportunity.

And, for I think this has something to do with it, thinking in these

images, it is hard to see main subjects from the details. Hey, you

all know by now I am terribly longwinded )).... I know but it's

hard for me to give just main facts.

Betty Jo, you say you think in concepts, I can only think of it as

this ....

if your mind is like a library, your books are all extracts, thin,

orderly, and you have got lots of space for new ones. And the books

are neat, stored away and easy to be found, if you are looking for

something.

My library is full of books in their longest version, not only the

paperback ALSO the bound ones, even the omnibuses. All books have

notes written in it, and scap papers are sticking out. It's full and

stuffed together. Funding something is very hard in this library. I

know it is somewhere, but WHERE!!

For I must have stored it on one detail out of the book instead of

the main subject.

>>>Secondly, I can get most of it from pictures, but lastly (most

poorly) can I get a concept from just listening. Frequently I say to

people, " Put that in writing " so that I can " get it. " I know many

other people who are quite different from myself. My artistic boss

can visualize what a new product will look like, actually

manufactured and in an early childhood classroom. It takes me longer

to get there. I think more conceptually what the product " should look

like, " using logic and what I know, etc. I can visualize in 3-D

somewhat (probably above average), but not to the extent she can.

But, I can draw a rough sketch (I am creative, but not artistic, if

that makes sense to anyone), then explain it to my husband, who can

draw it quite artistically but does not understand some of the

philosophical concepts involved in a good design for young children.

My boss can take what my husband and I produce, and take it to an

even higher level. It is all about learning styles, in my opinion.

There are those who learn auditorally (Listening to tapes or talking

to people to gleam their ideas -- this is definitely not me), those

who learn by seeing pictures or images or " wholes " (such as Trish,

Freestone, and my son), and those like me, who see things more as

verbal concepts which later evolve into the other. Someone (was it

you, Freestone??) described AS learning as learning in wholes, or

learning in chunks. I can definitely see that from my son and the

amazing spurts in which he learns.<<<

My thinking in pictures has little or nothing to do with creative

and/or artistic thinking. Wish that was true )

No. I hear the words and I label it with an example, a situation, I

experienced or saw or once read about.

>>>Sad thing about it is, that I believe those who learn

logically or from the printed word (like myself), versus in the more

creative fashions, tend to do better in academics in our society

because of the way that our academic institutions are fashioned.

After all, if you cannot " get it " from reading (that is, standardized

tests, etc.) in our society, you are probably doomed for a lot of

trouble if not failure.<<<

I agree on this. And with concentration problems it is even harder.

I am not sad over this. Just glad I now finally 'get' things I should

have got a long time ago.

But you know what 'they' say: " Never too old to learn " ...

>>>I am one of those lucky ones who always excelled on those

kinds of tests. Yet, in case you can't tell, I strongly disapprove of

them as they are usually used. Expecially in early childhood (birth

through 3rd grade).

It took my having an ADD son and an AS son to perhaps make me realize

this. One of 3 daughters, I now have 3 " special " sons. Someone told

me this was proof that " God has a sense of humor!!!! " I think fondly

of that remark from time to time. I do believe that this has caused

me to be much more open-minded and much more understanding of the

great diversity of folks on the earth. It trully does take us all to

make the whole.<<<

Yep. That is what is said in I Corinth chapter 12 ... we are all

needed and needing each other.

But sometimes it is good to know where some things (why I am thinking,

acting, doing, that way) comes from. ))

I am different (positive said unique; and yet we all are unique) so I

better not fight that anymore.

>>>I do feel that my 7-year-old AS son, Charlie, is in many ways a

superior being to those of us who are " NT " . I just do not fully

understand it all yet. ) He is now begging for a ceiling fan (so

he can put it together, which I have no doubt that he could easily

do) versus his earlier request for light bulbs versus toys. Where is

this going ??????? Will I survive???? . . . . . . . .<<<

I do like your Charlie's fixations ))

And I like how you deal with it. You question it but you don't forbid

it.

There are lots of kids, autikids who need tangible objects to feel

safe, to cope in life.

For Ruud it is his toy dog Sandor, and for a long time it was plastic

trays and a box as well. I used this to know how his mood was. When

he had to go to the dentist, I asked him if Sandor had to go with

him, and maybe the plastic trays as well? And the box? Well if he

wanted all, he was very tense or afraid or certainly not doing well.

If it would be only Sandor or even nothing, then he was very much

okay )) It is one of my ways to take his 'mood temperature' )).

But hey Betty Jo... I don't have to deal with ceiling fans ))

(although Ruud always is so very interested, more like intrigued by

(ceiling) fans and (ceiling) aircos and so on).

Enjoy your Sunday!!

Trish

[Guest guest]

Ha Betty Jo,

Had to give this some thougts...

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

>>>This is an interesting question! I believe that my wonderful

7-year-old AS son, Charlie, also sees in pictures. His brilliant,

engineering oriented, NT (I think ) ) father thinks the same way.

So does my brilliant, artistic, NT (female) boss.<<<

Ahhh. So not ALL ASD people do think in pictures. And some/lots of NT

people do it too huh )

So I cannot be sure Ruud thinks the same way.. hmmmm

>>>In my opionion, this is more about learning styles, versus NT

or AS or PDD. I do not think in pictures. I see more in concepts. I

can read the words and get it. <<<

Well wouldn't that be something! That certainly would save me some

time, well better said, lots of time )

For years I thought I was just slow, well or dumb, or .... fill in )

For it takes a lot of time, no, it takes ME a lot of time, thinking

this way.

Maybe I use the wrong words for it, or am I ALL WRONG about this but I

thought it had everything to do with the lack of able to abstract

thinking.

For instance when Ruud was diagnosed, the psychologist tried to

explain autism. I understood parts and bits, when she coloured her

explanations with examples. And I found out more about autism just by

reading and reading stories, experiences of adults of autikids, and

ASD adults themselves so I could picture myself what autism is.

When I am talking with someone and the subject is abstract,

I 'translate'

and 'store' his words by/with a self-selected example/picture. This

could be oh so wrong picked by me. And then I can easily loose track.

And confuses me.

So if there is time (and it is a 1-on-1-situation) I ask for examples

or give examples and ask if I am right. But there is not always time

or opportunity.

And, for I think this has something to do with it, thinking in these

images, it is hard to see main subjects from the details. Hey, you

all know by now I am terribly longwinded )).... I know but it's

hard for me to give just main facts.

Betty Jo, you say you think in concepts, I can only think of it as

this ....

if your mind is like a library, your books are all extracts, thin,

orderly, and you have got lots of space for new ones. And the books

are neat, stored away and easy to be found, if you are looking for

something.

My library is full of books in their longest version, not only the

paperback ALSO the bound ones, even the omnibuses. All books have

notes written in it, and scap papers are sticking out. It's full and

stuffed together. Funding something is very hard in this library. I

know it is somewhere, but WHERE!!

For I must have stored it on one detail out of the book instead of

the main subject.

>>>Secondly, I can get most of it from pictures, but lastly (most

poorly) can I get a concept from just listening. Frequently I say to

people, " Put that in writing " so that I can " get it. " I know many

other people who are quite different from myself. My artistic boss

can visualize what a new product will look like, actually

manufactured and in an early childhood classroom. It takes me longer

to get there. I think more conceptually what the product " should look

like, " using logic and what I know, etc. I can visualize in 3-D

somewhat (probably above average), but not to the extent she can.

But, I can draw a rough sketch (I am creative, but not artistic, if

that makes sense to anyone), then explain it to my husband, who can

draw it quite artistically but does not understand some of the

philosophical concepts involved in a good design for young children.

My boss can take what my husband and I produce, and take it to an

even higher level. It is all about learning styles, in my opinion.

There are those who learn auditorally (Listening to tapes or talking

to people to gleam their ideas -- this is definitely not me), those

who learn by seeing pictures or images or " wholes " (such as Trish,

Freestone, and my son), and those like me, who see things more as

verbal concepts which later evolve into the other. Someone (was it

you, Freestone??) described AS learning as learning in wholes, or

learning in chunks. I can definitely see that from my son and the

amazing spurts in which he learns.<<<

My thinking in pictures has little or nothing to do with creative

and/or artistic thinking. Wish that was true )

No. I hear the words and I label it with an example, a situation, I

experienced or saw or once read about.

>>>Sad thing about it is, that I believe those who learn

logically or from the printed word (like myself), versus in the more

creative fashions, tend to do better in academics in our society

because of the way that our academic institutions are fashioned.

After all, if you cannot " get it " from reading (that is, standardized

tests, etc.) in our society, you are probably doomed for a lot of

trouble if not failure.<<<

I agree on this. And with concentration problems it is even harder.

I am not sad over this. Just glad I now finally 'get' things I should

have got a long time ago.

But you know what 'they' say: " Never too old to learn " ...

>>>I am one of those lucky ones who always excelled on those

kinds of tests. Yet, in case you can't tell, I strongly disapprove of

them as they are usually used. Expecially in early childhood (birth

through 3rd grade).

It took my having an ADD son and an AS son to perhaps make me realize

this. One of 3 daughters, I now have 3 " special " sons. Someone told

me this was proof that " God has a sense of humor!!!! " I think fondly

of that remark from time to time. I do believe that this has caused

me to be much more open-minded and much more understanding of the

great diversity of folks on the earth. It trully does take us all to

make the whole.<<<

Yep. That is what is said in I Corinth chapter 12 ... we are all

needed and needing each other.

But sometimes it is good to know where some things (why I am thinking,

acting, doing, that way) comes from. ))

I am different (positive said unique; and yet we all are unique) so I

better not fight that anymore.

>>>I do feel that my 7-year-old AS son, Charlie, is in many ways a

superior being to those of us who are " NT " . I just do not fully

understand it all yet. ) He is now begging for a ceiling fan (so

he can put it together, which I have no doubt that he could easily

do) versus his earlier request for light bulbs versus toys. Where is

this going ??????? Will I survive???? . . . . . . . .<<<

I do like your Charlie's fixations ))

And I like how you deal with it. You question it but you don't forbid

it.

There are lots of kids, autikids who need tangible objects to feel

safe, to cope in life.

For Ruud it is his toy dog Sandor, and for a long time it was plastic

trays and a box as well. I used this to know how his mood was. When

he had to go to the dentist, I asked him if Sandor had to go with

him, and maybe the plastic trays as well? And the box? Well if he

wanted all, he was very tense or afraid or certainly not doing well.

If it would be only Sandor or even nothing, then he was very much

okay )) It is one of my ways to take his 'mood temperature' )).

But hey Betty Jo... I don't have to deal with ceiling fans ))

(although Ruud always is so very interested, more like intrigued by

(ceiling) fans and (ceiling) aircos and so on).

Enjoy your Sunday!!

Trish

[Guest guest]

Thanks for explaining Betty Jo,

So YOU think in words (amazing!!! for me that is....) and me in

images....

Trish )

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

Dear Trish:

Not " thinking in pictures " , I think I would most simply describe

as just " talking to myself in my brain. " I think about things

logically, as if carrying on a conversation, but do not necessarily

see images (I may or may not see images.) I do have very vivid dreams

frequently, but that is different from the day-to-day normal process.

Thinking the way I do facilitates, I believe, rote memorization.

I cansee words or letters in my mind (which helps at test time!!)

versus pictures. But, I am great at forgetting what I don't feel I

need after test time. (

Betty Jo Marshall

PS -One son out of 3 shares my learning style. He is a terrific

student, and needless to say, easier for me to understand. But I love

a good challenge and will dedicate the rest of my life to trying to

better understand the other two. Where did these genes come

from !?!?!?!?!?! A better question is: how can we better help society

accept the other two as " normal " ??

[Guest guest]

Again...

Me Trish here, wishing I knew this before.... like in elementary

school ))

Because this could mean that this is one (of) reason(s) for getting

high grades at elementary school and having so much difficulties at

secondary school while others did very well.

Hmmm. Could be...

I didn't know any of this.....

So when you know your kid is into what kind of rep system, you could

leap unto it (as parent or teacher) and give the kid that kind of

facilities it needs to learn the best?

And can you 'see' the rep systems of your kid just observing, or does

one need a professional to find out?

(And where stands NLP for?)

Me still oh so Dutch and learning English for who knows where I end up

living )))

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

>Betty Jo hi,

>In my opionion, this is more about learning styles, versus NT or AS

or PDD.

>In NLP these learning styles are called representational systems.

Visual, auditory , auditory digital(sequential) and kinesthetic (

feeling, emotion and touch). An observer can actually tell which one

a person is using at the time. I can do this. In order to understand

a word, a person MUST use one of these systems to make sense. As you

can imagine each rep system works better for different tasks. This

can be happening unconsciously.

>I do not think in pictures. I see more in concepts.

>Auditory digital. But then....you did say see.

Tasks often involve the use of a series of representational systems

>I can read the words and get it.

>Visual then kinesthetic?

>In any case, there is a whole language to desribe what you're onto

here and a set of visual cues and verbal cues to witness it in some

one. Sequences of these steps can be used to teach someone how best

to do a task.

>Ric

[Guest guest]

Again...

Me Trish here, wishing I knew this before.... like in elementary

school ))

Because this could mean that this is one (of) reason(s) for getting

high grades at elementary school and having so much difficulties at

secondary school while others did very well.

Hmmm. Could be...

I didn't know any of this.....

So when you know your kid is into what kind of rep system, you could

leap unto it (as parent or teacher) and give the kid that kind of

facilities it needs to learn the best?

And can you 'see' the rep systems of your kid just observing, or does

one need a professional to find out?

(And where stands NLP for?)

Me still oh so Dutch and learning English for who knows where I end up

living )))

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

>Betty Jo hi,

>In my opionion, this is more about learning styles, versus NT or AS

or PDD.

>In NLP these learning styles are called representational systems.

Visual, auditory , auditory digital(sequential) and kinesthetic (

feeling, emotion and touch). An observer can actually tell which one

a person is using at the time. I can do this. In order to understand

a word, a person MUST use one of these systems to make sense. As you

can imagine each rep system works better for different tasks. This

can be happening unconsciously.

>I do not think in pictures. I see more in concepts.

>Auditory digital. But then....you did say see.

Tasks often involve the use of a series of representational systems

>I can read the words and get it.

>Visual then kinesthetic?

>In any case, there is a whole language to desribe what you're onto

here and a set of visual cues and verbal cues to witness it in some

one. Sequences of these steps can be used to teach someone how best

to do a task.

>Ric

[Guest guest]

>Because this could mean that this is one (of) reason(s) for getting

>high grades at elementary school and having so much difficulties at

>secondary school while others did very well.

>Hmmm. Could be...

Yes indeed. It is even possible to model someone good at something by

learning thier rep system strategies and teaching them to someone else. For

example using a strategy one can learn to spell better. (as you learn a

word, picture it spelled out in the upper left of your visual field. When

you wish to spell it look up and to your left and see the word. Left

handers would need to look right. I memorized my drivers licence number

that way.

>

>I didn't know any of this.....

>So when you know your kid is into what kind of rep system, you could

>leap unto it (as parent or teacher) and give the kid that kind of

>facilities it needs to learn the best?

Thats the basic idea.

>And can you 'see' the rep systems of your kid just observing, or does

>one need a professional to find out?

Anyone can easily do it, Aspies included. It involves watching where a

person looks. There eye direction tells what system they are accessing.

This is truly amazing, and it works.

Eye Accessing Cues

If a person looks up, they are visualising

Up left is a memory, up right is a construct

if a person looks to the side, it is sound

if one looks down and right it is kinesthetic

if one looks down left it is words or sequences

>(And where stands NLP for?)

Neuro Linguistic Programming

NLP began life as the brainchild of two maverick Californians. One was

teacher one was student. What they did was use a field of linguistics

called transformational generative grammar to analyse the language used by

several prominent psychotherapists including Virginia Satir and Milton

son. to that they included the hypnotic language patterns of Milton and

his eye accessing cues. From there they developed these ideas further,

started teaching people and made alot of money. It was a big phenomena 10

years ago. The only visible practitioner today is Tony Robbins who broke

off from NLP and cant use its name. You could probably read Tony in Dutch.

In time with the addition of hundreds of other peoples ideas to the pot,

NLP lost its intellectual foundation, became a money making engine then

fizzled out. Too bad, the early ideas were brilliant.

Ric

[Guest guest]

>Because this could mean that this is one (of) reason(s) for getting

>high grades at elementary school and having so much difficulties at

>secondary school while others did very well.

>Hmmm. Could be...

Yes indeed. It is even possible to model someone good at something by

learning thier rep system strategies and teaching them to someone else. For

example using a strategy one can learn to spell better. (as you learn a

word, picture it spelled out in the upper left of your visual field. When

you wish to spell it look up and to your left and see the word. Left

handers would need to look right. I memorized my drivers licence number

that way.

>

>I didn't know any of this.....

>So when you know your kid is into what kind of rep system, you could

>leap unto it (as parent or teacher) and give the kid that kind of

>facilities it needs to learn the best?

Thats the basic idea.

>And can you 'see' the rep systems of your kid just observing, or does

>one need a professional to find out?

Anyone can easily do it, Aspies included. It involves watching where a

person looks. There eye direction tells what system they are accessing.

This is truly amazing, and it works.

Eye Accessing Cues

If a person looks up, they are visualising

Up left is a memory, up right is a construct

if a person looks to the side, it is sound

if one looks down and right it is kinesthetic

if one looks down left it is words or sequences

>(And where stands NLP for?)

Neuro Linguistic Programming

NLP began life as the brainchild of two maverick Californians. One was

teacher one was student. What they did was use a field of linguistics

called transformational generative grammar to analyse the language used by

several prominent psychotherapists including Virginia Satir and Milton

son. to that they included the hypnotic language patterns of Milton and

his eye accessing cues. From there they developed these ideas further,

started teaching people and made alot of money. It was a big phenomena 10

years ago. The only visible practitioner today is Tony Robbins who broke

off from NLP and cant use its name. You could probably read Tony in Dutch.

In time with the addition of hundreds of other peoples ideas to the pot,

NLP lost its intellectual foundation, became a money making engine then

fizzled out. Too bad, the early ideas were brilliant.

Ric

[Guest guest]

Ha Ric,

Wow...

thanks...

this is GREAT to know!!!

I have some observations to do ))

Learning every day (...still...)

Trish )

P.S. Please tell me the title of Tony Robbin's book (helps to get the

one in Dutch).....

oh me oh my, my pile of books to read, hmmm )))

*********************************

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

>Because this could mean that this is one (of) reason(s) for getting

>high grades at elementary school and having so much difficulties at

>secondary school while others did very well.

>Hmmm. Could be...

Yes indeed. It is even possible to model someone good at something by

learning thier rep system strategies and teaching them to someone

else. For

example using a strategy one can learn to spell better. (as you

learn a

word, picture it spelled out in the upper left of your visual field.

When

you wish to spell it look up and to your left and see the word. Left

handers would need to look right. I memorized my drivers licence

number

that way.

>

>I didn't know any of this.....

>So when you know your kid is into what kind of rep system, you could

>leap unto it (as parent or teacher) and give the kid that kind of

>facilities it needs to learn the best?

Thats the basic idea.

>And can you 'see' the rep systems of your kid just observing, or does

>one need a professional to find out?

Anyone can easily do it, Aspies included. It involves watching where a

person looks. There eye direction tells what system they are

accessing.

This is truly amazing, and it works.

Eye Accessing Cues

If a person looks up, they are visualising

Up left is a memory, up right is a construct

if a person looks to the side, it is sound

if one looks down and right it is kinesthetic

if one looks down left it is words or sequences

>(And where stands NLP for?)

Neuro Linguistic Programming

NLP began life as the brainchild of two maverick Californians. One was

teacher one was student. What they did was use a field of linguistics

called transformational generative grammar to analyse the language

used by

several prominent psychotherapists including Virginia Satir and Milton

son. to that they included the hypnotic language patterns of

Milton and

his eye accessing cues. From there they developed these ideas further,

started teaching people and made alot of money. It was a big

phenomena 10

years ago. The only visible practitioner today is Tony Robbins who

broke

off from NLP and cant use its name. You could probably read Tony in

Dutch.

In time with the addition of hundreds of other peoples ideas to the

pot,

NLP lost its intellectual foundation, became a money making engine

then

fizzled out. Too bad, the early ideas were brilliant.

Ric

[Guest guest]

Ha Ric,

Wow...

thanks...

this is GREAT to know!!!

I have some observations to do ))

Learning every day (...still...)

Trish )

P.S. Please tell me the title of Tony Robbin's book (helps to get the

one in Dutch).....

oh me oh my, my pile of books to read, hmmm )))

*********************************

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

>Because this could mean that this is one (of) reason(s) for getting

>high grades at elementary school and having so much difficulties at

>secondary school while others did very well.

>Hmmm. Could be...

Yes indeed. It is even possible to model someone good at something by

learning thier rep system strategies and teaching them to someone

else. For

example using a strategy one can learn to spell better. (as you

learn a

word, picture it spelled out in the upper left of your visual field.

When

you wish to spell it look up and to your left and see the word. Left

handers would need to look right. I memorized my drivers licence

number

that way.

>

>I didn't know any of this.....

>So when you know your kid is into what kind of rep system, you could

>leap unto it (as parent or teacher) and give the kid that kind of

>facilities it needs to learn the best?

Thats the basic idea.

>And can you 'see' the rep systems of your kid just observing, or does

>one need a professional to find out?

Anyone can easily do it, Aspies included. It involves watching where a

person looks. There eye direction tells what system they are

accessing.

This is truly amazing, and it works.

Eye Accessing Cues

If a person looks up, they are visualising

Up left is a memory, up right is a construct

if a person looks to the side, it is sound

if one looks down and right it is kinesthetic

if one looks down left it is words or sequences

>(And where stands NLP for?)

Neuro Linguistic Programming

NLP began life as the brainchild of two maverick Californians. One was

teacher one was student. What they did was use a field of linguistics

called transformational generative grammar to analyse the language

used by

several prominent psychotherapists including Virginia Satir and Milton

son. to that they included the hypnotic language patterns of

Milton and

his eye accessing cues. From there they developed these ideas further,

started teaching people and made alot of money. It was a big

phenomena 10

years ago. The only visible practitioner today is Tony Robbins who

broke

off from NLP and cant use its name. You could probably read Tony in

Dutch.

In time with the addition of hundreds of other peoples ideas to the

pot,

NLP lost its intellectual foundation, became a money making engine

then

fizzled out. Too bad, the early ideas were brilliant.

Ric

[Guest guest]

Hi Trish

>I have some observations to do ))

In doing eye accessing, ask a question such as what color is your jacket,

to look for visual cues (verbal answer is unimporant.) What sound does a

kite make? for auditory.

>P.S. Please tell me the title of Tony Robbin's book (helps to get the

>one in Dutch).....

I Think it is Personal Power

Ric

[Guest guest]

Thanks helping hand Ric you are )

Trish

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

Hi Trish

>I have some observations to do ))

In doing eye accessing, ask a question such as what color is your

jacket,

to look for visual cues (verbal answer is unimporant.) What sound

does a

kite make? for auditory.

>P.S. Please tell me the title of Tony Robbin's book (helps to get the

>one in Dutch).....

I Think it is Personal Power

Ric

[Guest guest]

Thanks helping hand Ric you are )

Trish

Re: on the way to grandmother's house!

Hi Trish

>I have some observations to do ))

In doing eye accessing, ask a question such as what color is your

jacket,

to look for visual cues (verbal answer is unimporant.) What sound

does a

kite make? for auditory.

>P.S. Please tell me the title of Tony Robbin's book (helps to get the

>one in Dutch).....

I Think it is Personal Power

Ric