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Reply to Jeff Swan, Matsumoto and others:

In the past several weeks I have been criticized and threatened by more

than one person who believe that the answer to Gulf War illness and

anthrax vaccination-induced illness lie solely in squalene.

I have also been told by friends and acquaintances that Matsumoto,

author of the Vanity Fair article on squalene, has informed them of the

fact I have " doublecrossed " someone, and am working for DOD.

I have been open about the fact that I shared with both Matsumoto,

Debora MacKenzie and others a copy of Bob and Pam Asa's draft paper

on squalene. gave this to me, and did not ask me to keep it

confidential. Since the work by Asa and had been commented on in

the media for two years, I foolishly and mistakenly thought I was doing

them a favor by circulating it. I also supplied them with information

about how squalene may have been used in an experimental anthrax

vaccine. I have cited their work for the past 14 months and always

credited them for it.

Although squalene may be " the " problem, it certainly has not been proven

yet. Whatever " the " problem turns out to be, we know that anthrax

vaccine is clearly making people very ill, and so stopping the

vaccinations will remain my primary concern. Others need to pin down

the evidence for squalene's role in causing the illnesses we are

seeing; and I will be first to applaud them when/if it is proven.

Neither , Asa nor Matsumoto has ever commented negatively to me on

my circulating this paper, but Jeff Swan has repeatedly called me a

variety of names for doing so. I have also been criticized by him for

the company I keep, including Army Surgeon General Blanck (!) my

hidden agendas etc. etc.

For the record, I have supported my research, writing, speaking 100% by

myself. My airfares and hotels have been paid for by 3 different groups

on 4 occasions, when giving talks to which I've been invited. My hidden

agenda is that of responding when asked to help, by using my knowledge

about anthrax and biowarfare, because it is knowledge few other medical

professionals have. This interest has cost me considerably in time and

money.

Yet I'm proud that despite intensive scrutiny of my work by a number of

government agencies and others, it stood up completely to a painstaking

review in the last few weeks. I have blended science (what we know and

what we do not), historical review, and policy concerns in my large

vaccine review article, and in the testimony I provided to Congressman

Shays' committee one week ago. It should be obvious that all I'm

looking for is fairness and truth.

Read the testimony and see for yourself:

http://www.house.gov/reform/ns/hearings/testimony/nass.pdf

I hope that the slurs, innuendoes and threats will stop. I'd like to

know their source and why they have appeared. How can they possibly

help the cause we all profess to support? I am willing to speak with

anyone who feels I have personally wronged them, but not with those who

use threats.

Sorry to waste everyone's time with this,

Meryl

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Meryl Nass, M.D.

Parkview Hospital, Brunswick, Maine 04011

email mnass@...

phone (207) 865-0875

fax (207) 865-6975

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List:

I can confirm the fact that Meryl has received the threats as she

has stated. I have read them myself.

The threats were strewn in with ramblings about having been a spy and

other cryptic comments about Napoleon's defeat:

" ..I served my country, and I am GOOD at it. It is commonly called

spying, - or, more properly - espionage or intelligence collection

and analysis. For it I was well decorated, and my training has proved

equally useful since I " retired " from the business.... "

" ... I know where you live, and I know generally for what purpose you

confuse, obfuscate and blur the details of the ever-present danger of

injecting squalene-laced vaccines into our troops...

" ...the traitors are always the first to be eliminated... "

" ... Dr. Nass, for your own sake -- take a lesson from history.

Bundle up. Winter is coming. Things can get mighty cold and lonely -

and even sometimes dangerous - in the shoes you are wearing... "

Additionally, it has come to my attention recently that someone whos

identity was only known through their contacting this list was contacted

about squalene testing (no prob there). But after her contact

with Vanity Fair, I was asked many questions about Dr. Nass and was

stunned to realize that Meryl had basically been slandered and I had

to assure the person that Dr. Nass didn't work for DoD!! I can only

wonder what her job title would be, ahhhh " Thorn in the Side " comes to

mind.

I might add that Wes (friend of Jeff) has written some accusing

and flaming letters to Meryl as well. Wes is not a list member here,

but his writings which included an excellent analysis of a flawed gulf

war illness study (designed not to follow the vaccine trail) were on

the web page until the most recent threats resumed last Friday. I

removed the writings, though well written in many areas, were scathing

in regard to congressman Shays. After seeing a pattern of what could

be unprovoked character assault, I felt those letters should be removed.

I may later replace the study analysis, and may crop unrelated comments

if they exist in the third letter. And of course, the GAO report

is now on the page in approximately the same area, and a link to the

Insight article.

There are many problems with the Anthrax vaccine and Shays committe is

becoming very aware of them. While it is possible that squalene could

be a factor in the Anthrax vaccine, that is far from a proven fact yet.

And the movement can hardly hinge on squalene.

I did not set the list up to be a gateway for this kind of abuse. We

have already had a Navy 'journalist' harvesting list members names to

encourage them to take the shot and sue the gov. later if they grew

extra body parts (literally) That individual should have a nice career

as a crash test dummy after military service has ended. His friend

and source of our mail had his membership deleted and the 'journalist'

was told to cease contact after I reported it to the ships webmaster.

Members who threaten other list members (on or off list) are subject to

having their memberships permanently deleted. There will be no flaming

on the list as well. If you have a gripe with someone, take it off

list. For the most part, conspiracy heavy posts and those items that

inspire flames never make it out of the pending area anyway.

I believe that Meryl has done the right thing to bring this out

in the open given the seriousness of this and her position on this list.

She and I have both written letters seemingly in vain to those involved.

Little of what has been accomplished so far with stopping this program

would have been possible without Meryl's tireless efforts. Oddly these

ugly letters began after the first hearing and while she prepared for

the second.......

Gretchen

List-owner

List purpose: It was formed for those concerned with the forced Anthrax

vaccination program among military personnel. Also, it is designed to

inform and support those who are working to stop mandatory Anthrax vaccinations,

and other vaccine programs that may follow without meeting proper safety and

effiacy standards.

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After reading Dr. Nass's letter about the New Scientist article, I understand

why more doctors haven't spoken out on the anthrax issue. It takes a lot of

courage and guts (not to mention time and energy), to speak the truth in the

face of powerful adversaries. I am sure many doctors are not yet aware of

the issue, but hope that as more do become informed, they will speak out

publicly, too. As far as I am concerned, she is fulfilling her Hippocratic

oath to " first do no harm " . She is a heroine for the 90's as far as this mom

is concerned. M. Boylan

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Dr. Nass,

I can only thank God above for people like you who go over and above

the call of duty. Keep up the good work!

Remember you can't please everyone, so don't even try. Some people

obviously have nothing better to do than start trouble. I, for one applaud

all you good efforts. Thank you again, and please continue on.

God bless,

Micki Winslow

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Dr. Nass,

As you know you and I have corresponded on several occasions, and I pray you

have never felt that I have anything but the highest regards for you and

your efforts. The reality is that some people do not realize that if we are

to find the truth, we must have some dialogue with the other side.

I for one am glad you are among us, and will continue to consider you a very

valuable friend. I have a sign on my door " what is right is not often

popular, and what is popular is seldom right " . Do the right thing and

forgive those who choose to hurl slights your way. Your friends, of which I

am only one of many, know you and believe in you.

Remember many of us are hurting physically, and when that turns into fear or

anger, we are like the dog struck on the side of the road. It doesn't

matter how badly you want to help, the pain of our wounds make us bit any

thing that comes near. Don't stop trying to help, we all need it very badly

right now.

God Bless; Your friend always,

Dave

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Dr.Nass: One thing that I have learned long time ago from my father ( an

army 3 star general ) is the same thing that I learned from General -

" DON'T EVER GIVE UP - NEVER EVER GIVE UP !!! EVEN WHEN THREATENED BY IDIOTS

" .

(May I call You Meryl) --- as a currently serving officer in the US

military, and having been threatened overtly ( and implied ) - with things

like mutiny, conduct unbecoming an officer, sedition, etc .... i have yet to

give up and will not ---- just like you will not ---

I look to you for energy and information to continue on and you will not

believe the support that has been made available to me --- because of you

.... I am told that I am living up to my gulf war nickname of " Maddog "

because of my tenacity on this subject.

If I can offer you any help with " your problem of threats " let me know ---

jon rivera

Re: New Scientist article

>From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...>

>

>Reply to Jeff Swan, Matsumoto and others:

>

>In the past several weeks I have been criticized and threatened by more

>than one person who believe that the answer to Gulf War illness and

>anthrax vaccination-induced illness lie solely in squalene...... "

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Dr. Nass,

I just wanted to tell you thank you for all that you

have done in our cause. Your work and time and

dedication is well appreciated from my point of view.

Keep your head up and keep rolling on. God bless you

and thank you.

Tim Kellar <(((><

--- Meryl Nass <mnass@...> wrote:

> From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...>

>

> Reply to Jeff Swan, Matsumoto and others:

>

> In the past several weeks I have been criticized and

> threatened by more

> than one person who believe that the answer to Gulf

> War illness and

> anthrax vaccination-induced illness lie solely in

> squalene..... "

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Hi all,

I thought that you may be interested in this...... I haven't read it

yet, but I will as soon as I can get a hold of it!

I don't know the release date in the US/UK etc, but I imagine it will

be around the same time.

Kelley

Vic, Australia

>From: " Garman, Joanne (RBI - AUS) " <Joanne@...>

>Subject: EXTRA Radio Release

>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:30:00 +1000

>MIME-Version: 1.0

>

>RADIO EXTRA STORIES FROM 20 JULY 2002 ISSUE

>OF THE NEW LOOK NEW SCIENTIST

>

<snip>

>HOPE LIES IN FLAIR FOR LOGIC A Russian researcher has developed a system to

>help autistic children interact more naturally with others. Autistic people

>are super-logical, but generally find it difficult to understand the mental

>states of others. The new technique involves creating logical formulae to

>help them work out the meaning of such expressions as pretend, deceive and

>explain. Page 19

>

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hi

where do you get more info on this.

thanks

silvia

Kelley <miklos@...> wrote: Hi all,

I thought that you may be interested in this...... I haven't read it

yet, but I will as soon as I can get a hold of it!

I don't know the release date in the US/UK etc, but I imagine it will

be around the same time.

Kelley

Vic, Australia

>From: " Garman, Joanne (RBI - AUS) " <Joanne@...>

>Subject: EXTRA Radio Release

>Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:30:00 +1000

>MIME-Version: 1.0

>

>RADIO EXTRA STORIES FROM 20 JULY 2002 ISSUE

>OF THE NEW LOOK NEW SCIENTIST

>

<snip>

>HOPE LIES IN FLAIR FOR LOGIC A Russian researcher has developed a system to

>help autistic children interact more naturally with others. Autistic people

>are super-logical, but generally find it difficult to understand the mental

>states of others. The new technique involves creating logical formulae to

>help them work out the meaning of such expressions as pretend, deceive and

>explain. Page 19

>

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