Guest guest Posted May 6, 1999 Report Share Posted May 6, 1999 Reply to Jeff Swan, Matsumoto and others: In the past several weeks I have been criticized and threatened by more than one person who believe that the answer to Gulf War illness and anthrax vaccination-induced illness lie solely in squalene. I have also been told by friends and acquaintances that Matsumoto, author of the Vanity Fair article on squalene, has informed them of the fact I have " doublecrossed " someone, and am working for DOD. I have been open about the fact that I shared with both Matsumoto, Debora MacKenzie and others a copy of Bob and Pam Asa's draft paper on squalene. gave this to me, and did not ask me to keep it confidential. Since the work by Asa and had been commented on in the media for two years, I foolishly and mistakenly thought I was doing them a favor by circulating it. I also supplied them with information about how squalene may have been used in an experimental anthrax vaccine. I have cited their work for the past 14 months and always credited them for it. Although squalene may be " the " problem, it certainly has not been proven yet. Whatever " the " problem turns out to be, we know that anthrax vaccine is clearly making people very ill, and so stopping the vaccinations will remain my primary concern. Others need to pin down the evidence for squalene's role in causing the illnesses we are seeing; and I will be first to applaud them when/if it is proven. Neither , Asa nor Matsumoto has ever commented negatively to me on my circulating this paper, but Jeff Swan has repeatedly called me a variety of names for doing so. I have also been criticized by him for the company I keep, including Army Surgeon General Blanck (!) my hidden agendas etc. etc. For the record, I have supported my research, writing, speaking 100% by myself. My airfares and hotels have been paid for by 3 different groups on 4 occasions, when giving talks to which I've been invited. My hidden agenda is that of responding when asked to help, by using my knowledge about anthrax and biowarfare, because it is knowledge few other medical professionals have. This interest has cost me considerably in time and money. Yet I'm proud that despite intensive scrutiny of my work by a number of government agencies and others, it stood up completely to a painstaking review in the last few weeks. I have blended science (what we know and what we do not), historical review, and policy concerns in my large vaccine review article, and in the testimony I provided to Congressman Shays' committee one week ago. It should be obvious that all I'm looking for is fairness and truth. Read the testimony and see for yourself: http://www.house.gov/reform/ns/hearings/testimony/nass.pdf I hope that the slurs, innuendoes and threats will stop. I'd like to know their source and why they have appeared. How can they possibly help the cause we all profess to support? I am willing to speak with anyone who feels I have personally wronged them, but not with those who use threats. Sorry to waste everyone's time with this, Meryl -- Meryl Nass, M.D. Parkview Hospital, Brunswick, Maine 04011 email mnass@... phone (207) 865-0875 fax (207) 865-6975 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 List: I can confirm the fact that Meryl has received the threats as she has stated. I have read them myself. The threats were strewn in with ramblings about having been a spy and other cryptic comments about Napoleon's defeat: " ..I served my country, and I am GOOD at it. It is commonly called spying, - or, more properly - espionage or intelligence collection and analysis. For it I was well decorated, and my training has proved equally useful since I " retired " from the business.... " " ... I know where you live, and I know generally for what purpose you confuse, obfuscate and blur the details of the ever-present danger of injecting squalene-laced vaccines into our troops... " ...the traitors are always the first to be eliminated... " " ... Dr. Nass, for your own sake -- take a lesson from history. Bundle up. Winter is coming. Things can get mighty cold and lonely - and even sometimes dangerous - in the shoes you are wearing... " Additionally, it has come to my attention recently that someone whos identity was only known through their contacting this list was contacted about squalene testing (no prob there). But after her contact with Vanity Fair, I was asked many questions about Dr. Nass and was stunned to realize that Meryl had basically been slandered and I had to assure the person that Dr. Nass didn't work for DoD!! I can only wonder what her job title would be, ahhhh " Thorn in the Side " comes to mind. I might add that Wes (friend of Jeff) has written some accusing and flaming letters to Meryl as well. Wes is not a list member here, but his writings which included an excellent analysis of a flawed gulf war illness study (designed not to follow the vaccine trail) were on the web page until the most recent threats resumed last Friday. I removed the writings, though well written in many areas, were scathing in regard to congressman Shays. After seeing a pattern of what could be unprovoked character assault, I felt those letters should be removed. I may later replace the study analysis, and may crop unrelated comments if they exist in the third letter. And of course, the GAO report is now on the page in approximately the same area, and a link to the Insight article. There are many problems with the Anthrax vaccine and Shays committe is becoming very aware of them. While it is possible that squalene could be a factor in the Anthrax vaccine, that is far from a proven fact yet. And the movement can hardly hinge on squalene. I did not set the list up to be a gateway for this kind of abuse. We have already had a Navy 'journalist' harvesting list members names to encourage them to take the shot and sue the gov. later if they grew extra body parts (literally) That individual should have a nice career as a crash test dummy after military service has ended. His friend and source of our mail had his membership deleted and the 'journalist' was told to cease contact after I reported it to the ships webmaster. Members who threaten other list members (on or off list) are subject to having their memberships permanently deleted. There will be no flaming on the list as well. If you have a gripe with someone, take it off list. For the most part, conspiracy heavy posts and those items that inspire flames never make it out of the pending area anyway. I believe that Meryl has done the right thing to bring this out in the open given the seriousness of this and her position on this list. She and I have both written letters seemingly in vain to those involved. Little of what has been accomplished so far with stopping this program would have been possible without Meryl's tireless efforts. Oddly these ugly letters began after the first hearing and while she prepared for the second....... Gretchen List-owner List purpose: It was formed for those concerned with the forced Anthrax vaccination program among military personnel. Also, it is designed to inform and support those who are working to stop mandatory Anthrax vaccinations, and other vaccine programs that may follow without meeting proper safety and effiacy standards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 After reading Dr. Nass's letter about the New Scientist article, I understand why more doctors haven't spoken out on the anthrax issue. It takes a lot of courage and guts (not to mention time and energy), to speak the truth in the face of powerful adversaries. I am sure many doctors are not yet aware of the issue, but hope that as more do become informed, they will speak out publicly, too. As far as I am concerned, she is fulfilling her Hippocratic oath to " first do no harm " . She is a heroine for the 90's as far as this mom is concerned. M. Boylan Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 Dr. Nass, I can only thank God above for people like you who go over and above the call of duty. Keep up the good work! Remember you can't please everyone, so don't even try. Some people obviously have nothing better to do than start trouble. I, for one applaud all you good efforts. Thank you again, and please continue on. God bless, Micki Winslow Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 Dr. Nass, As you know you and I have corresponded on several occasions, and I pray you have never felt that I have anything but the highest regards for you and your efforts. The reality is that some people do not realize that if we are to find the truth, we must have some dialogue with the other side. I for one am glad you are among us, and will continue to consider you a very valuable friend. I have a sign on my door " what is right is not often popular, and what is popular is seldom right " . Do the right thing and forgive those who choose to hurl slights your way. Your friends, of which I am only one of many, know you and believe in you. Remember many of us are hurting physically, and when that turns into fear or anger, we are like the dog struck on the side of the road. It doesn't matter how badly you want to help, the pain of our wounds make us bit any thing that comes near. Don't stop trying to help, we all need it very badly right now. God Bless; Your friend always, Dave Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 7, 1999 Report Share Posted May 7, 1999 Dr.Nass: One thing that I have learned long time ago from my father ( an army 3 star general ) is the same thing that I learned from General - " DON'T EVER GIVE UP - NEVER EVER GIVE UP !!! EVEN WHEN THREATENED BY IDIOTS " . (May I call You Meryl) --- as a currently serving officer in the US military, and having been threatened overtly ( and implied ) - with things like mutiny, conduct unbecoming an officer, sedition, etc .... i have yet to give up and will not ---- just like you will not --- I look to you for energy and information to continue on and you will not believe the support that has been made available to me --- because of you .... I am told that I am living up to my gulf war nickname of " Maddog " because of my tenacity on this subject. If I can offer you any help with " your problem of threats " let me know --- jon rivera Re: New Scientist article >From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...> > >Reply to Jeff Swan, Matsumoto and others: > >In the past several weeks I have been criticized and threatened by more >than one person who believe that the answer to Gulf War illness and >anthrax vaccination-induced illness lie solely in squalene...... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted May 8, 1999 Report Share Posted May 8, 1999 Dr. Nass, I just wanted to tell you thank you for all that you have done in our cause. Your work and time and dedication is well appreciated from my point of view. Keep your head up and keep rolling on. God bless you and thank you. Tim Kellar <(((>< --- Meryl Nass <mnass@...> wrote: > From: Meryl Nass <mnass@...> > > Reply to Jeff Swan, Matsumoto and others: > > In the past several weeks I have been criticized and > threatened by more > than one person who believe that the answer to Gulf > War illness and > anthrax vaccination-induced illness lie solely in > squalene..... " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 19, 2002 Report Share Posted July 19, 2002 Hi all, I thought that you may be interested in this...... I haven't read it yet, but I will as soon as I can get a hold of it! I don't know the release date in the US/UK etc, but I imagine it will be around the same time. Kelley Vic, Australia >From: " Garman, Joanne (RBI - AUS) " <Joanne@...> >Subject: EXTRA Radio Release >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:30:00 +1000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >RADIO EXTRA STORIES FROM 20 JULY 2002 ISSUE >OF THE NEW LOOK NEW SCIENTIST > <snip> >HOPE LIES IN FLAIR FOR LOGIC A Russian researcher has developed a system to >help autistic children interact more naturally with others. Autistic people >are super-logical, but generally find it difficult to understand the mental >states of others. The new technique involves creating logical formulae to >help them work out the meaning of such expressions as pretend, deceive and >explain. Page 19 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted July 21, 2002 Report Share Posted July 21, 2002 hi where do you get more info on this. thanks silvia Kelley <miklos@...> wrote: Hi all, I thought that you may be interested in this...... I haven't read it yet, but I will as soon as I can get a hold of it! I don't know the release date in the US/UK etc, but I imagine it will be around the same time. Kelley Vic, Australia >From: " Garman, Joanne (RBI - AUS) " <Joanne@...> >Subject: EXTRA Radio Release >Date: Thu, 18 Jul 2002 16:30:00 +1000 >MIME-Version: 1.0 > >RADIO EXTRA STORIES FROM 20 JULY 2002 ISSUE >OF THE NEW LOOK NEW SCIENTIST > <snip> >HOPE LIES IN FLAIR FOR LOGIC A Russian researcher has developed a system to >help autistic children interact more naturally with others. Autistic people >are super-logical, but generally find it difficult to understand the mental >states of others. The new technique involves creating logical formulae to >help them work out the meaning of such expressions as pretend, deceive and >explain. Page 19 > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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