Guest guest Posted November 14, 2002 Report Share Posted November 14, 2002 I doubt the studies your school district is referencing even exist. You get these studies and make sure they were published in a peer-reviewed behavioral journal. It sounds like a bunch of BS to me. Rose At 10:27 PM 11/13/2002 +0000, you wrote: >I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can find a study in favor of in >home program of a child over the age of 9. My school district is >saying that studies show that a child past the age of 9 doesn't show >a benefit from in home DTT. I know that an IEP is based on what is >appropriate for your child, but I also know what they are telling me >about this study can be combated with a study that I can research out >in favor of DTT no mater the age. Any help? Thanks. > > >Darlene, (Mother to Alison 9) > > > >List moderators: Jenn - ABAqueen1@... > Steph - Stephhulshof@... > >Post message: >Subscribe: -subscribe >Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 15, 2002 Report Share Posted November 15, 2002 Yep. I am doing an in-home ABA (AVB) program with my child. Have spent since April 2002 working toward undoing 9 years of BAD programming by the SD -- let's see, for starters -- uh, severe, severe prompt dependency; doing the same " marks on paper " ;block building; same puzzle for too many years; sorting only TWO colors for TWO years; (all to the point of ad nausem and making typical teaching materials aversive to him); being taught for the last 7 years to keep his non-dominant hand in his lap, NEVER having been taught any viable form of communication (and when I introduced sign, they let him indiscriminately use any sign for the reinforcer, so sign is useless right now); only being taught to rotely follow a schedule but never to discriminate the icons; and the list goes on and on! Basically very, very bad baby-sitting services. (and if you are lurking here, all my best to ya) He is just now getting to the point where he is starting to move forward -- we will be working for years to undo all the harm, but he is making progress. Thanks to a wonderful OT, SLP, COTA, BCBA and a lot of hard work. We do a lot of NET here, strictly because the table is aversive -- heck, he won't even sit with his legs UNDER the table to eat any more. In the past, when my SD was trying to feed me bull chips with tea, I simply got in the habit of asking (in writing, Certified Mail, Return receipt requested) that the SD provide me with the " citation that is the basis of your claim (statement) " and then quote what was said by whom, when, and where. I would always give them a minimum of 5 business days to respond, and a maximum of 10 business days. I have yet to be provided with any substantiating documentation for any of the similar BS statements made by the SD. So, just be " from Missouri " (the " show me " state!) Part of what the SD's are supposed to do is to help the child generalize skills learned at school into the home and community. If child is learning at school with DTT, then you might be able to make the argument that to help him generalize, a DTT program would be appropriate. Just my thoughts. (Oh, and there are two studies about the efficacy of ABA for " older " children. Someone here should be able to give you the links -- I just don't have time to look right now, but I will later if needed) Re: [ ] In-Home Program > I doubt the studies your school district is referencing even exist. You > get these studies and make sure they were published in a peer-reviewed > behavioral journal. It sounds like a bunch of BS to me. > > Rose > > At 10:27 PM 11/13/2002 +0000, you wrote: > >I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can find a study in favor of in > >home program of a child over the age of 9. My school district is > >saying that studies show that a child past the age of 9 doesn't show > >a benefit from in home DTT. I know that an IEP is based on what is > >appropriate for your child, but I also know what they are telling me > >about this study can be combated with a study that I can research out > >in favor of DTT no mater the age. Any help? Thanks. > > > > > >Darlene, (Mother to Alison 9) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted November 30, 2002 Report Share Posted November 30, 2002 Darlene, I do not know of any specific research, but I keep asking for it at all the conferences I attend. I know that all the " official " studies demonstrate the benefits for younger children, however, I can tell you from first hand experience that my son started his ABA (later VB) program at almost 7 and he is now 9, and I continue to see improvement everyday. He attends a regular 1st grade class in the mornings and does 3 hours of VB every afternoon in our home. The district is paying (reluctantly), but I continue to argue that as along as he continues to show good progress, than this is the program that is " appropriate " for him. How can the school argue that one-on-one teaching would not be beneficial to help remediate your child's delays? Since we both have " older " children you can e-mail me privately to discuss this further. Mimi [ ] In-Home Program I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can find a study in favor of in home program of a child over the age of 9. My school district is saying that studies show that a child past the age of 9 doesn't show a benefit from in home DTT. I know that an IEP is based on what is appropriate for your child, but I also know what they are telling me about this study can be combated with a study that I can research out in favor of DTT no mater the age. Any help? Thanks. Darlene, (Mother to Alison 9) List moderators: Jenn - ABAqueen1@... Steph - Stephhulshof@... Post message: Subscribe: -subscribe Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 Hi Darlene, I asked this question not too long ago of the many groups that I belong to. Although I received many personal testimonials from parents using VB and other ABA type programs about the successes they have had with their children, unfortunately there was little on the effects on older children. I have two children with autism, ages 10 & 11, and was looking for support of intensive teaching for a battle I am having with my 10 year old son. Below are a few of the responses that I got that may help (I didn't give emails of those that forwarded this information just in case they didn't want to be contacted) : There is a very good article about successful ABA (Lovaas style, but should apply) with older children researched and written by Svein Eikeseth " Intensive School-based Behavioral Treatment for Four to Seven Year Old Children with Autism: One Year Follow-up. " If you have trouble locating it, email me privately and I'll send it to you. There is also an article (not on VB, but three-term contingency trial instruction) where the participants wer middle-school aged. Albers, A.E. & Greer, R.D. (1991) Is the three term contingency an effective measure of instruction?, Journal of Behavioral Education (I am typing from memory so I'm not sure of the volume number) This advocates for the use of applied behavior analytic instruction, not specifically in the area of verbal behavior, but it may help your cause. Sorry there wasn't more to help you. If you'd like to talk or compare with what we are doing I would be willing to do so. Bobbie [ ] In-Home Program I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can find a study in favor of in home program of a child over the age of 9. My school district is saying that studies show that a child past the age of 9 doesn't show a benefit from in home DTT. I know that an IEP is based on what is appropriate for your child, but I also know what they are telling me about this study can be combated with a study that I can research out in favor of DTT no mater the age. Any help? Thanks. Darlene, (Mother to Alison 9) List moderators: Jenn - ABAqueen1@... Steph - Stephhulshof@... Post message: Subscribe: -subscribe Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 1, 2002 Report Share Posted December 1, 2002 > > > > I'm wondering if anyone knows where I can find a study in favor of in > home program of a child over the age of 9. My school district is > saying that studies show that a child past the age of 9 doesn't show > a benefit from in home DTT. I know that an IEP is based on what is > appropriate for your child, but I also know what they are telling me > about this study can be combated with a study that I can research out > in favor of DTT no mater the age. Any help? Thanks. > > > Darlene, (Mother to Alison 9) I am not sure there are studies specific to amount of 1-1 for kids nine and up, BUT, what I would ask from the school is where are the studies that show that home programs based on ABA do not work? Do not benefit children of a certain age? If you are discussing " recovery " or normal IQ, dependent of course on whether your child is delayed across the board or cognitively intact by testing definitions, you may be on less firm ground, but the school will never be able to produce a study that does not show that individualized 1-1 teaching using Applied Behavior Analysis does not help individuals of all ages, birth to death. Jennie > List moderators: Jenn - ABAqueen1@... > Steph - Stephhulshof@... > > Post message: > Subscribe: -subscribe > Unsubscribe: -unsubscribe > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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