Re: Introduction

[Guest guest]

Neil-

Hello and welcome from across the pond. This group has helped me a

lot! I'm liking the way I look on BFL. Who else can say they look

good in the morning?

Jeff

> Hi there all !

>

> Well, as requested, a quick introduction/bio of myself.

>

> I'm male, 29, from the United Kingdom. At around

> 300lbs, on the larger side of life - but ( obviously )

> planning to change that in the near future.

>

> I've tried several methods in the recent past -

> needless to say all has failed due to their lack to be

> implemented as a lifestyle change. I came across BfL,

> and well.. it looks good !

>

> I've had a distant history of power lifting, so I'm not

> completely ignorant about the inside of a gym. However,

> the BfL way of doing things are new/different, so I do

> have a lot to learn - which is basically the main

> reason for being here... tapping the collective

> experience of this group when I need it !!

>

> Well, enough about myself... I'm planning on starting

> my challenge on August 12, untill then its planning,

> planning, planning... Here's hoping that all goes

> according to plan ! Any advice, tips, tricks, or

> whatever you can suggest to loose a massive amount of

> weight ( I think I'm looking at about 80lbs ! ), feel

> free to let me have it !

>

> Enjoy

> Niel Maartens

[Guest guest]

hey welcome. are you dutch? the name looks dutch (have several friends in

the netherlands)anywho welcome. this group has helped me tons too. been on

it almost 1 year now.

the best advice is plan plan plan plan. and commit to making a change. if

you commit to change, plan and stay with it you will succeed!

regards, lee

>From: niel@...

>Reply-To: bodyforlife

>To: bodyforlife

>Subject: Introduction

>Date: Wed, 03 Jul 2002 15:52:03 0 (GMT)

>

>Hi there all !

>

>Well, as requested, a quick introduction/bio of myself.

>

>I'm male, 29, from the United Kingdom. At around

>300lbs, on the larger side of life - but ( obviously )

>planning to change that in the near future.

>

>I've tried several methods in the recent past -

>needless to say all has failed due to their lack to be

>implemented as a lifestyle change. I came across BfL,

>and well.. it looks good !

>

>I've had a distant history of power lifting, so I'm not

>completely ignorant about the inside of a gym. However,

>the BfL way of doing things are new/different, so I do

>have a lot to learn - which is basically the main

>reason for being here... tapping the collective

>experience of this group when I need it !!

>

>Well, enough about myself... I'm planning on starting

>my challenge on August 12, untill then its planning,

>planning, planning... Here's hoping that all goes

>according to plan ! Any advice, tips, tricks, or

>whatever you can suggest to loose a massive amount of

>weight ( I think I'm looking at about 80lbs ! ), feel

>free to let me have it !

>

>Enjoy

>Niel Maartens

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[Guest guest]

Welcome Neil,

Sounds like you are bound to succeed with BFL. Seems as if you have

your feet firmly planted in reality and know what you need to do,

make a change in the way you live.

Good luck.....

-

[Guest guest]

Hi Niel,

Glad to see you here. This is a fab group, led by the *best*

moderator (winks at Jen) and aside from great info, there's a

lightness that makes coming here easy. You sound enthused,

and that's half the battle. Set and write your goals, plan your

meals (80% of success is in what you eat) and hit your 10s. Oh

and don't forget the evil pictures (it's a great reality check, and

highly motivational when the hot fudge sundae urge hits.

Dianne

(oh and post your meals to get feedback)

[Guest guest]

Is it pronounced haut-zee? If so, I think he has attended lectures given by Dr R from Lubbock. If you can't travel to Lubbock, at least he does apparently think along the same line (somewhat.) Is he an allergist? I have a friend who went to him 2 weeks ago. He did alot of labwork, but still mainly thought that the bulk of 'stuff' was allergies. Of course, that's his 'cash cow.' Marcie Your Web Developer wrote: I'm reading a book written by Dr. Hotze (in Katy) www.drhotze.com. He'sthe one I wish I could afford to see. I'm still playing insuranceallowed doctor roulette.-----Original Message-----From:

Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Tina ChapekSent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:59 AMTo: Texas_Thyroid_Groups Subject: IntroductionHi,I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning here. I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2 years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone right now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased an old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am

going to try the graph again.I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good testimonies from his products?Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind driving. Looking forward to meeting you all,:)Tina

[Guest guest]

Jan,

I am looking for a doctor that knows how to find the root problem so

that healing can take place.

Do you know anything about adrenal cortex extracts - like if they are

good or not? I am thinking of trying Dr. 's Adrenal

Rebuilder. Search the forum here but didn't see any " wow "

testimonies!

Tina

Hi,

>

[Guest guest]

lots of mooo, oink, ba-a-a-a, and Cluck-Pikaw!

LOL!!! Somedays I feel like this is my whole vocabulary! :-)

JaydenWho's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

[Guest guest]

$3000 for a doc who is a ticking time bomb. . . . . .

I hear ya. That's one reason I didn't go to Hotze. I DID go to Roby in Austin a few years back and he does a lot of the same things, and costs about the same.

None of it helped much. Never tested adrenals, nor did he do any of the other blood work that I just had done to check for inflammation in the body, etc.

I wanted a doc who would look at the whole picture. I hope the gal I am going to now will be my last stop for awhile. (Dr. Galloway, a naturopath in Austin with a colleague in the same office who can and does prescribe armour)

Speaking of that, I tried to enter her into the database but couldn't figure out how to do it. Can anyone help?

Thanks,

JaydenWho's never won? Biggest Grammy Award surprises of all time on AOL Music.

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Tina,

I said what I said because it is soooooo hard to get HC. Didn't know it

was Hotze. Yep, they cost too much. HC if you look it up is says to take

with food. I'd point that out to them. But if they aren't willing to

raise the HC, even when it makes you feel better...yes you need another

doctor. The problem.....you will be had pressed to find one in Houston

that will give HC and Armour. Did you take your Armour before of after the

blood draw? If you took if before....your FT3 will be high..it is an

active hormone. Ferritin you need to talk to them about a

supplement. Often you are told that you are " in range " but the ranges

can really be flawed. B12 you need to be over 500.

Got to run,

Kate G

At 06:51 AM 2/7/2008, you wrote:

>Kate,

>I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the standard

>blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look

>at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour

>Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA,

>Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by,

>just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When

>I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would

>suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a

>difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do

>about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little and

>suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt a

>little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt a

>litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and

>said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I

>could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the

>lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC

>started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take

>with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an empty

>stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take

>Prilosec. They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4,

>ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I

>called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 weeks

>and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so

>pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC

>because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the

>root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.

>

>My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-

>420). WOuld you know wht that means?

>

>I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is

>fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.

>

>Tina

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tina,

Before you follow 's advice I think you should read Safe Uses of Cortisol by Mck. Jeffries. It is the authority on HC use. It's expensive and this link from the publisher is $43.95, soft cover. But it's the best price there is. Or you could try getting it from a library.

http://www.ccthomas.com/details.cfm?P_ISBN13=9780398075002

I'm not positive, but I think it takes a larger dose of HC than you're taking to suppress the adrenals.

The fatigue and anxiety you're experiencing could as easily be from thyroid as adrenals. But we'd need to see your FT4 in addition to the FT3. Have you been tested for Reverse T3?

I believe if they specifically told you to take HC on an empty stomach, they were wrong. I think that's a guarantee for stomach upset.

Carol

> > >Hotze Health and Wellness. 12.5 mg divided doses. By the > responses> > >so far, are doctors not prescribing HC anymore?!> > >> > >Tina>

[Guest guest]

Hi Tina,

I have been taking the Adrenal Cortex extracts (not the brand they

recommend as it has other things that I can't tolerate) and it has

helped me to survive the last 5 years. But, I do still have some

very funky issues with my adrenals. It really depends upon how out

of whack your adrenals are whether the glandular is all you need. I

likely still would have been better off if I had been able to find a

doctor that would address all my hormones from the get go, rather

than having to rely on the OTC supplements to survive. Also, I had

originally been afraid of using the HC as I had Lyme disease when I

became so ill and cortisone is strongly discouraged for Lyme

patients, however, I learned last year from a top Lyme doctor that

the low doses prescribed for adrenal fatigue are perfectly okay

(although, unfortunately, some of the docs that treat Lyme are in

the same old school mentality of alot of other docs and they're

afraid of HC).

If you do choose to try the glandulars, you really need to make sure

that you inform the doctors (as you should with ALL supplements).

Otherwise, when they run labs, you can get some things very skewed.

If you're planning on seeing someone ASAP about all of this, I would

not recommend starting with the glandulars as I really think by the

time most of us find this group, the HC is likely the most effective

way to go.

B.

> > >Hotze Health and Wellness. 12.5 mg divided doses. By the

> responses

> > >so far, are doctors not prescribing HC anymore?!

> > >

> > >Tina

>

[Guest guest]

Low Ferritin affects your body's ability to use thyroid hormone. You might want to consider supplementing.

What was your exact B12 result? It needs to be pretty high in range.

Carol

Hi,> > > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >

[Guest guest]

Amen, Jan. That is just frightening they prescribed without testing.

And missing the ferritin - oy!

*shudder*

> Kate,

> I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the

standard

> blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look

> at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour

> Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA,

> Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by,

> just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When

> I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would

> suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a

> difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do

> about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little

and

> suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt

a

> little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt

a

> litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and

> said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I

> could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the

> lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC

> started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take

> with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an

empty

> stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take

> Prilosec. They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4,

> ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I

> called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2

weeks

> and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so

> pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC

> because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the

> root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.

>

> My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-

> 420). WOuld you know wht that means?

>

> I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is

> fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.

>

> Tina

>

> ---------------------------------

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>

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$3000 for a doc who is a ticking time bomb. . . . . .rgrprop wrote: Amen, Jan. That is just frightening they prescribed without testing. And missing the ferritin - oy!*shudder*> Kate,> I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the standard > blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look > at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour > Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA, > Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by, > just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When > I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would > suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a > difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do > about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little and > suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt a > little calmer. So on my own, I

increased it a little more and felt a > litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and > said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I > could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the > lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC > started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take > with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an empty > stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take > Prilosec. They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4, > ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I > called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 weeks > and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so > pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC > because they do help people but they

don't seem to understand the > root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.> > My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-> 420). WOuld you know wht that means?> > I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is > fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.> > Tina

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You say a 'ticking time bomb.' What do you mean? I ask because I have a friend who just went down there two weeks ago. She's really sick and needs help. I'm just thinking she may have bought into the hype. I didn't find out about Dr R till she had already made her appointment down there...yes, she flew out of Lubbock to Houston! Marcie Jan wrote: $3000 for a doc who is a ticking time bomb. . . . . .rgrprop wrote: Amen, Jan. That is just frightening they prescribed without testing. And missing the ferritin - oy!*shudder*> Kate,> I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the standard > blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look > at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour > Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA, > Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by, > just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When > I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would > suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a > difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do > about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a

little and > suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt a > little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt a > litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and > said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I > could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the > lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC > started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take > with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an empty > stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take > Prilosec. They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4, > ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I > called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 weeks > and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking

for a new (not so > pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC > because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the > root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.> > My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-> 420). WOuld you know wht that means?> > I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is > fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.> > Tina Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.

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Jan,

Thank you for the insight.

No, I didn't take anything before hand - it was a fasting test.

T4, Free: 1.5 (0.8 - 1.8)

T3 Uptake: 32 (22-35)

T4 (thyroxine) Total: 9.6 (4.5 - 12.5)

Free T4 Index (T7): 3.1 (1.4 - 3.8)

T3, Free: 603 (230 - 420)

T3 Reverse: 31 (11 - 32)

Can beet root powder provide ferritin (iron?)?

Interesting enough, my temps have been on the higher side, close to

98.4/98.6. Have only averaged them for 2 days now so need more data

but they are higher than normal, yay!

Thanks so much,

Tina

>

> Putting you on all of those hormones without first testing is a

huge red flag. Testosterone in particular is a huge red flag. It is a

listed controlled substance. The doc could lose his

license. . . . .if he were not politically very well-connected. For

thyroid, looking beyond the test results with good documentation,

will fly. I am not sure that this extends to testosterone.

>

> From a purely practical point of view, many hypo/hashi folks have

difficulty tolerating a variety of hormones and supplements that they

need. So, it is foolhardy to start them on a full protocol.

>

> Most folks need their ferritin between 50 and 100 or more to even

start feeling well. Low ferritin can impact your ability to tolerate

thyroid hormone. The solution is iron supplements and lots of mooo,

oink, ba-a-a-a, and Cluck-Pikaw! Chelated ferrous bisglycinate such

as Solgar Gentle Iron is easier on the stomach than some others.

>

> If he failed to flag your ferritin below 50, he flat dropped the

ball.

>

> As for the Free T3, did you take your meds before the blood draw?

If so, how long before? What was your Free T4?

>

> Your report confirms what I have said when asked about Hotze, " I

know of docs who will help you more and charge you less. "

>

>

[Guest guest]

Kate,

Thank you for explaining. I was thinkin I was odd or something

(which I am but...!). Do doctors prescribe Isocort or Cortef? Is it

just the HC they don't prescribe? What do natural doctors give for

Adrenal Fatigue? I get the feeling they don't use the cortex

extracts.

I checked my spectracell test and it shows a percentage for B12...19%

and the ref range is >15%. Would you know how to convert that?

Thanks so much for your help.

Tina

>

> Tina,

>

> I said what I said because it is soooooo hard to get HC. Didn't

know it

> was Hotze. Yep, they cost too much. HC if you look it up is says

to take

> with food. I'd point that out to them. But if they aren't willing

to

> raise the HC, even when it makes you feel better...yes you need

another

> doctor. The problem.....you will be had pressed to find one in

Houston

> that will give HC and Armour. Did you take your Armour before of

after the

> blood draw? If you took if before....your FT3 will be high..it is

an

> active hormone. Ferritin you need to talk to them about a

> supplement. Often you are told that you are " in range " but the

ranges

> can really be flawed. B12 you need to be over 500.

>

> Got to run,

>

> Kate G

[Guest guest]

you must have little ones at home too!!!

Tina

In Texas_Thyroid_Groups , ckingmytruth@... wrote:

>

>

> In a message dated 2/7/2008 9:53:43 A.M. Central Standard Time,

> texasthyroid@... writes:

>

> lots of mooo, oink, ba-a-a-a, and Cluck-Pikaw!

>

>

> LOL!!! Somedays I feel like this is my whole vocabulary! :-)

> Jayden

>

>

>

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My "little one" is going to be 30 next month and has lived elsewhere for some time. . . . . But this all started with a big pink Oink! on About Thyroid in celebration of Armour. Oink! Tina Chapek wrote: you must have little ones at home too!!!:)TinaIn Texas_Thyroid_Groups ,

ckingmytruth@... wrote:>> > > > lots of mooo, oink, ba-a-a-a, and Cluck-Pikaw!> > > LOL!!! Somedays I feel like this is my whole vocabulary! :-)> Jayden

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Marcie,

Who is Dr. R?

TIna

>

> You say a 'ticking time bomb.' What do you mean? I ask because I

have a friend who just went down there two weeks ago. She's really

sick and needs help. I'm just thinking she may have bought into the

hype. I didn't find out about Dr R till she had already made her

appointment down there...yes, she flew out of Lubbock to Houston!

>

> Marcie

>

>

[Guest guest]

LOL!

:/

Tina

>

> My " little one " is going to be 30 next month and has lived elsewhere

for some time. . . . .

>

> But this all started with a big pink Oink! on About Thyroid in

celebration of Armour.

>

> Oink!

>

>

[Guest guest]

Marcie,

The best thing you can do for your friend is tell her to regroup and get to Dr. R. if she is very sick. He will help her more and she won't have to travel. It would be a lot easier and better for her any way you look at it. She will get very individualized care with Dr. R.

Carol

> > Kate,> > I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the > standard > > blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look > > at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour > > Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA, > > Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by, > > just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When > > I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would > > suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a > > difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do > > about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little > and > > suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt > a > > little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt > a > > litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and > > said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I > > could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the > > lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC > > started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take > > with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an > empty > > stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take > > Prilosec. They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4, > > ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I > > called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 > weeks > > and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so > > pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC > > because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the > > root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.> > > > My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-> > 420). WOuld you know wht that means?> > > > I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is > > fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.> > > > Tina > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.>

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In this particular case she can pay all she wants, but she won't get the right care.

Carol

> > > Kate,> > > I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the > > standard > > > blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look > > > at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour > > > Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA, > > > Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by, > > > just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When > > > I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would > > > suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a > > > difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do > > > about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little > > and > > > suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt > > a > > > little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt > > a > > > litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and > > > said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I > > > could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the > > > lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC > > > started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take > > > with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an > > empty > > > stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take > > > Prilosec. They gav! e me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4, > > > ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I > > > called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 > > weeks > > > and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so > > > pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC > > > because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the > > > root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.> > > > > > My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-> > > 420). WOuld you know wht that means?> > > > > > I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is > > > fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.> > > > > > Tina > > ---------------------------------> > Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> >>

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One of these days, he is going to get caught doing something questionable (such as prescribing testosterone without testimg) and lose his license.Marcie wrote: You

say a 'ticking time bomb.' What do you mean? I ask because I have a friend who just went down there two weeks ago. She's really sick and needs help. I'm just thinking she may have bought into the hype. I didn't find out about Dr R till she had already made her appointment down there...yes, she flew out of Lubbock to Houston! Marcie Jan wrote: $3000 for a doc who is a ticking time bomb. . . . . .rgrprop wrote: Amen, Jan. That is just frightening they prescribed without testing. And missing the ferritin - oy!*shudder*> Kate,> I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the standard > blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look > at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour > Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA, > Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by, > just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When > I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would > suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a > difference. When I hurt my back and called

them to see what to do > about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little and > suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt a > little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt a > litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and > said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I > could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the > lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC > started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take > with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an empty > stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take > Prilosec. They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4, > ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I > called, they said he would call me to

discuss the results in 2 weeks > and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so > pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC > because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the > root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.> > My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-> 420). WOuld you know wht that means?> > I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is > fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.> > Tina

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Cortef IS hydrocortisone, a brand name of it.

Re: Introduction

> Kate,

>

> Thank you for explaining. I was thinkin I was odd or something

> (which I am but...!). Do doctors prescribe Isocort or Cortef? Is it

> just the HC they don't prescribe? What do natural doctors give for

> Adrenal Fatigue? I get the feeling they don't use the cortex

> extracts.

>

> I checked my spectracell test and it shows a percentage for B12...19%

> and the ref range is >15%. Would you know how to convert that?

>

> Thanks so much for your help.

>

> Tina