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Can commiserate with having the big dogs. LOL I have a rott, who is a bit on the chubby side. A pitbull who is as strong as a grown man (but she is a delicate little lady. Ha) Actually the pit bull is my sons, but I would have to say that I mostly raised her. I have trained her. Bear who is a lab. And the freakin' poms. Poms are like having children with ADD on speed. Yes, like you I love my animals. Do I want anymore. Heck no. I spend like 50 dollars a week on food. The poms get IAM's dog food. And the out door dogs get Old Roy. Yeah Yeah I know I am showing favortism. But honestly you want your indoor dogs to be on a better dog food, because dogs fart. And the IAM's well they don't fart as much, and the smell is not as bad if they do. The outdoor dogs I don't care

if they fart. I don't have to smell it. Maybe my neighbors but who cares. The guy next door drinks a lot of beer. And I know I have seen him standing on his patio and lift his leg to fart. Not a pretty sight. I am not kidding you!! Beer,fat man,shorts and Brats. Not a good mixture. I long for a privacy fence. LOL There you go, that is my story and I am sticking to it. Love Janet Lee wrote: This study was reported on the news last night. In the segment, they said that the control group were people who had never had cats in their lifetime. I think this may account for the big difference. Although I'm a dog person, I love cats. We had one cat that someone had abandoned in the desert that showed up one day and never left. I had a Red Chow named Chico at the time and he and Stan the cat would curl up and sleep together.We've had other cats. A white cat named Eva lived for 15 years. I am on a ranch and sometimes we wouldn't see her for days, then she would appear. Other cats we have had have dissapeared, a lot of coyotes here.Now I have two Akitas and Siberian Husky. My Akita puppy is 5 months old and already weighs 60 pounds. I think that dogs require more attention than cats and therefore a little more stress. LEE---

In Hepatitis_C_Central , "SHARON CROSBY" wrote:>> I'm sorry, I gotta wonder about this. Who conducted the study?> > Sharon in NW Washington> All I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson> Re: : Cats Reduce Risk for Cardiovascular Disease total...> > > Well, I hope that my ten will really do the trick! They're a little bit of work but are my constant motivation to

just get up and get on with things - plus a gigantic comfort! I had a bad headache the other morning and laid down on the couch - totally off the "cat schedule" - and I was soon surrounded by concerned feline faces. They certainly know when something's wrong with "mommy".......> > Thanks for posting this!> > M.> > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > ------------------------------------------------------------------> > > Cats May Protect Owners Against Cardiovascular Death> > > > By Ed Susman, Contributing Writer, MedPage Today> Published: February 21, 2008> Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor>

University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. > > NEW ORLEANS, Feb. 21 -- People who own cats have a lower risk of dying from a heart attack or other cardiovascular disease, including stroke, researchers suggested here.> > "We found that people who do not own cats have a 40% higher risk of dying from a myocardial infarction than people who do keep cats as pets," said Adnan Qureshi, M.D., of the Minnesota Stroke Institute in Minneapolis, told attendees at the American Stroke Association's International Stroke Conference.> > A decreased risk for death from all cardiovascular diseases (including stroke) was observed among persons with cats, but the decrease was significant only for MI, Dr. Qureshi and colleagues concluded.> > "We did not find a significant difference between people who owned dogs or other pets," Dr. Qureshi said.> > Dr. Qureshi and colleagues

scrutinized records of the second National Health and Nutrition Examination Study (NHANES II), identifying 4,435 patients between the ages of 35 and 70 who were asymptomatic for coronary cardiovascular disease at baseline. About 55% of those individuals owned cats.> > The researchers performed multivariate analyses on risk factors for heart disease in these patients, adjusting for differences in age, gender, ethnicity/race, systolic blood pressure, cigarette smoking, diabetes mellitus, serum cholesterol and body mass index.> > After those adjustments, they found a significantly higher relative risk for death due to MI in people who did not keep cats (RR 1.4; 95% CI 1.1 to 1.7) compared with those with cats as a pet at any time, Dr. Qureshi said.> > The researchers also noted a trend for increased risk for death from all cardiovascular diseases among people who did not own cats (RR

1.3; 95% CI, 1.0 to 1.6).> > Dr. Qureshi said that it was possible that cats, more than dogs or other pets, reduce stress and anxiety, which have been linked to coronary disease and heart attacks. "Cats also tend to live longer with individuals than dogs," he said.> > If the findings can be substantiated, cat ownership might be considered as a cost-effective intervention in reducing heart attacks and possibly other forms of cardiovascular disease such as stroke for high-risk individuals, Dr. Qureshi said.> > "Pets in general seem to have a protective effect against cardiovascular disease," said Edgar Kenton, M.D., of Emory Crawford Long Hospital in Atlanta and a discussant at the presentation.> > "Cats are, by and large, easier to care for and more manageable, especially among older persons," he said. "Cats also tend to help build a person's self-esteem, which could be

diminished by risk factors for heart attacks such as obesity, lessened mobility or injury. We know that cats are helpful in rehabilitation from injuries and illnesses such as stroke."> > Dr. Qureshi and Dr. Kenton did not disclose any financial conflicts of interest.> > Primary source: American Stroke Association/International Stroke Conference> Source reference:> Qureshi A et al, "Cats as domestic pets reduce the risk of cardiovascular diseases: Results from the Second National Health and Nutrition Examination Study Mortality Follow-up Study." ASA Meeting 2008.> > > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > > > > --------------------------------------------------------------------> Delicious ideas to please the

pickiest eaters. Watch the video on AOL Living.<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>>"There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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Keep in mind though that you can reduce

your stress by walking your dog. The walking would help cardiovascular

disease. Changing a litter box isn’t going to do that unless you’re

lugging the 40 lb. boxes of litter around for 20 minutes!!

Having a dog also causes people to be more

social since they usually have to go outside & walk in the neighborhood,

meet the neighbors, make friends! Very good for stress reduction.

Of course, there are the dog owners that

just allow the dogs to poop in the yard. We have a service here on Long Island (they may be a national franchise) called

Poop-B-Gone and they will come and clean up the poop for you as a scheduled

service!! http://www.poopbgone.com/

Their slogan is “We’re Number

One in Cleaning Number Two!” Now when you get up off the floor………..

Dorothy

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This study was reported on the news last night. In the

segment, they

said that the control group were people who had never had cats in

their lifetime. I think this may account for the big difference.

Although I'm a dog person, I love cats. We had one cat that someone

had abandoned in the desert that showed up one day and never left. I

had a Red Chow named Chico

at the time and he and Stan the cat would

curl up and sleep together.

We've had other cats. A white cat named Eva lived for 15 years. I am

on a ranch and sometimes we wouldn't see her for days, then she would

appear. Other cats we have had have dissapeared, a lot of coyotes

here.

Now I have two Akitas and Siberian Husky. My Akita puppy is 5 months

old and already weighs 60 pounds. I think that dogs require more

attention than cats and therefore a little more stress.

LEE

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You all know I have 4 little dogs. They DO bring about socialization, for sure. They're chihuahuas and everyone loves them. When ever we take one along to some outdoor affair, we do lots of socializing. Grooming and just petting them (chi's need a lot of affection) keep me happy. They even manage to find room on my lap when I'm quilting. lol I love em and they love me, unconditionally...

Hubby has a guuter leaf cleaner and makes poo patrols during the day and keeps that chore up to date, I don't even worry about it. lol

Sharon in NW WashingtonAll I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson

RE: Re: : Cats Reduce Risk for Cardiovascular Disease total...

Keep in mind though that you can reduce your stress by walking your dog. The walking would help cardiovascular disease. Changing a litter box isn't going to do that unless you're lugging the 40 lb. boxes of litter around for 20 minutes!!

Having a dog also causes people to be more social since they usually have to go outside & walk in the neighborhood, meet the neighbors, make friends! Very good for stress reduction.

Of course, there are the dog owners that just allow the dogs to poop in the yard. We have a service here on Long Island (they may be a national franchise) called Poop-B-Gone and they will come and clean up the poop for you as a scheduled service!! http://www.poopbgone.com/

Their slogan is "We're Number One in Cleaning Number Two!" Now when you get up off the floor.....

Dorothy

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You all know I have 4 little dogs. They DO bring about socialization, for sure. They're chihuahuas and everyone loves them. When ever we take one along to some outdoor affair, we do lots of socializing. Grooming and just petting them (chi's need a lot of affection) keep me happy. They even manage to find room on my lap when I'm quilting. lol I love em and they love me, unconditionally... Hubby has a guuter leaf cleaner and makes poo patrols during the day and keeps that chore up to date, I don't even worry about it. lol Sharon in NW WashingtonAll I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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I've always loved cats. My favorite one I had for 12 years. Our most recent cat, after we moved out here to the woods, disappeared one evening. I KNOW a coyote or a raccoon got him and I will never have another cat out here. We see very few roaming cats because of the coyotes. I cannot stand the thought of a pet being killed in that way, so no more cats for me.

Sharon in NW WashingtonAll I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson

Re: : Cats Reduce Risk for Cardiovascular Disease total...

This study was reported on the news last night. In the segment, they said that the control group were people who had never had cats in their lifetime. I think this may account for the big difference. Although I'm a dog person, I love cats. We had one cat that someone had abandoned in the desert that showed up one day and never left. I had a Red Chow named Chico at the time and he and Stan the cat would curl up and sleep together.We've had other cats. A white cat named Eva lived for 15 years. I am on a ranch and sometimes we wouldn't see her for days, then she would appear. Other cats we have had have dissapeared, a lot of coyotes here.Now I have two Akitas and Siberian Husky. My Akita puppy is 5 months old and already weighs 60 pounds. I think that dogs require more attention than cats and therefore a little more stress. LEE

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Hi Ann,, its so nice to see you again! Im glad you are doing well and well,, er,, I am sorry about your divorce and I hope you will be alright.. Ann wrote: Way to go Dorothy! I don't chime in much but am always out here looking in YEs, I have always had cats as well and by golly they DO know when you need them. Especially now that I'm living alone as my hubby and I divorced, she has become my little girl. When I was on TX and in bed with those aches, she was the warmth and comfort that got me through.

Even if it was not on her "schedule". >> Well when you consider the fact that cats can reduce blood pressure , I can see it .> Re:

: Cats Reduce Risk for Cardiovascular Disease total...> > > > I'm sorry, I gotta wonder about this. Who conducted the study?> > Sharon in NW Washington> All I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson>Jackie

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Unfortunately, regardless of where you

live, it’s a fact that cats that are left to roam outside have shortened

lives whether lost to predatory animals, car accidents, disease or sub-human humans. I

would never allow my cat to go outside. Pearl

sits out on the balcony with me in the summer and she’s content with

that. Any cat that would want to leave my home would be a very stupid cat!!!

LOL

Dorothy

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I've always loved cats. My favorite one I had for 12 years.

Our most recent cat, after we moved out here to the woods, disappeared one

evening. I KNOW a coyote or a raccoon got him and I will never have

another cat out here. We see very few roaming cats because of the

coyotes. I cannot stand the thought of a pet being killed in that way, so

no more cats for me.

Sharon in NW Washington

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Kit Kat never roamed off our property, he had been declawed in the front when we got him as an adult and he knew his limitations. He just went out in the back yard one evening and never came back...

Sharon in NW WashingtonAll I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Unfortunately, regardless of where you live, it's a fact that cats that are left to roam outside have shortened lives whether lost to predatory animals, car accidents, disease or sub-human humans. I would never allow my cat to go outside. Pearl sits out on the balcony with me in the summer and she's content with that. Any cat that would want to leave my home would be a very stupid cat!!! LOL

Dorothy

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Pearl was also declawed when I got her. Another reason to NEVER allow a

cat outside. I don’t think I would trust a cat to know their limitations

– I don’t think there’s a cat alive that would believe they

HAD a single limitation!

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Kit Kat never roamed off our property, he had been declawed in the

front when we got him as an adult and he knew his limitations. He just

went out in the back yard one evening and never came back...

Sharon in NW Washington

All I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not

seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson

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Re: : Cats Reduce Risk for Cardiovascular Disease total...

Unfortunately, regardless of where you live, it's a fact that cats

that are left to roam outside have shortened lives whether lost to predatory

animals, car accidents, disease or sub-human humans. I would never allow

my cat to go outside. Pearl

sits out on the balcony with me in the summer and she's content with

that. Any cat that would want to leave my home would be a very stupid

cat!!! LOL

Dorothy

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LOL Dug, sauerkraut hmm yeah. Love JanetDUG wrote: "Beer and Brats" eh-?Sounds good to ME-!Now, if only I could find a 'non-alcohol' DARK beer that tasted worth a TOOT-!-!P.S.Don't forget the Sauerkraut,....maybe some pickled-eggs too-?> >> > I'm sorry, I gotta wonder about this. Who conducted the study?> > > > Sharon in NW Washington> > All I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I > have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson> > Re: : Cats Reduce Risk for > Cardiovascular Disease total...> > > > > > Well, I hope that my ten will really do the trick! They're a > little bit of work but are my constant motivation to just get up and > get on with things - plus a gigantic comfort! I had a bad headache > the other morning and laid down on the couch - totally off the "cat > schedule" - and I was soon surrounded by concerned feline faces. > They certainly know when something's wrong with "mommy".......> > > > Thanks for posting this!> > > > M.> > > > > > In a

message dated 2/22/2008 1:34:30 P.M. Central Standard Time, > elizabethnv1@ writes:> > _______________________________________________> > > > > > > > > > ----------------------------------------------------------> --------> > > > > > Cats May Protect Owners Against Cardiovascular Death> > > > > > > > By Ed Susman, Contributing Writer, MedPage Today> > Published: February 21, 2008> > Reviewed by Zalman S. Agus, MD; Emeritus Professor> > University of Pennsylvania School of Medicine. > > > > NEW ORLEANS, Feb. 21 -- People who own cats have a lower risk > of dying from a heart attack or other cardiovascular disease, > including stroke, researchers suggested here.> > > > "We found that people who do not

own cats have a 40% higher > risk of dying from a myocardial infarction than people who do keep > cats as pets," said Adnan Qureshi, M.D., of the Minnesota Stroke > Institute in Minneapolis, told attendees at the American Stroke > Association's International Stroke Conference.> > > > A decreased risk for death from all cardiovascular diseases > (including stroke) was observed among persons with cats, but the > decrease was significant only for MI, Dr. Qureshi and colleagues > concluded.> > > > "We did not find a significant difference between people who > owned dogs or other pets," Dr. Qureshi said.> > > > Dr. Qureshi and colleagues scrutinized records of the second > National Health and Nutrition Examination Study (NHANES II), > identifying 4,435 patients between the ages of 35 and 70 who were > asymptomatic for coronary

cardiovascular disease at baseline. About > 55% of those individuals owned cats.> > > > The researchers performed multivariate analyses on risk factors > for heart disease in these patients, adjusting for differences in > age, gender, ethnicity/race, systolic blood pressure, cigarette > smoking, diabetes mellitus, serum cholesterol and body mass index.> > > > After those adjustments, they found a significantly higher > relative risk for death due to MI in people who did not keep cats (RR > 1.4; 95% CI 1.1 to 1.7) compared with those with cats as a pet at any > time, Dr. Qureshi said.> > > > The researchers also noted a trend for increased risk for death > from all cardiovascular diseases among people who did not own cats > (RR 1.3; 95% CI, 1.0 to 1.6).> > > > Dr. Qureshi said that it was possible that cats, more than dogs

> or other pets, reduce stress and anxiety, which have been linked to > coronary disease and heart attacks. "Cats also tend to live longer > with individuals than dogs," he said.> > > > If the findings can be substantiated, cat ownership might be > considered as a cost-effective intervention in reducing heart attacks > and possibly other forms of cardiovascular disease such as stroke for > high-risk individuals, Dr. Qureshi said.> > > > "Pets in general seem to have a protective effect against > cardiovascular disease," said Edgar Kenton, M.D., of Emory Crawford > Long Hospital in Atlanta and a discussant at the presentation.> > > > "Cats are, by and large, easier to care for and more > manageable, especially among older persons," he said. "Cats also tend > to help build a person's self-esteem, which could be diminished by >

risk factors for heart attacks such as obesity, lessened mobility or > injury. We know that cats are helpful in rehabilitation from injuries > and illnesses such as stroke."> > > > Dr. Qureshi and Dr. Kenton did not disclose any financial > conflicts of interest.> > > > Primary source: American Stroke Association/International > Stroke Conference> > Source reference:> > Qureshi A et al, "Cats as domestic pets reduce the risk of > cardiovascular diseases: Results from the Second National Health and > Nutrition Examination Study Mortality Follow-up Study." ASA Meeting > 2008.> > > > > > > > > > > > _______________________________________________> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >

----------------------------------------------------------> ----------> > Delicious ideas to please the pickiest eaters. Watch the video on > AOL Living.<http://living.aol.com/video/how-to-please-your-picky-> eater/rachel-campos-duffy/2050827?NCID=aolcmp00300000002598>> >> > > > > > > "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go"> Frederick Faber>"There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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Before Pearl, I had a wonderful cat for 17

years. You couldn’t get Sophie to go out although she had been a

stray that I took in after she’d had 2 litters! Once, when we lived

in garden apartments, my husband took her outside in the hall to sprinkle some

flea powder on her. She dug her claws into the carpeting and hung on for

dear life. All she wanted was to go back inside and she was only about 4

inches from the doorway!

Pearl seems pretty much the same way, but I’m not sure that I’d

trust her to leave the front door open. You just never know how they’ll

behave. She surprised me yesterday when it snowed. I opened the

slider to take a photo of the snow to e-mail to my friends in FL and CA and she

walked right out and left her paw prints in the snow! She sniffed around

for about 2 minutes and then just came back in covered in snow flakes.

That’s something that Sophie would have never done! They are such

wonderful, sweet creatures and while they’re alike in so many ways, each

one is so different.

Dorothy

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Yes, also indoor-only for cats here.

Our current girl-kitty WAS an indoor/outdoor cat when my sister had

her, but since she's been here, she really shows NO interest in going

outside, although shed does on occasion enjoy looking outside and

sniffing the fresh air (through a METAL-screen) and 'calling' the

birds to 'come-play'....LOL

If/when shes another cat in HER-YARD,.... she's most definitely NOT

HAPPY about this developement.

Otherwise, she wants to know where I am pretty much at all times.

>

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all our inside cats are declawed so I work hard on not letting them get out but occasionally they do but only for a sec and then they come racing back in the dog door thats in our bedroom. I usually keep the door closed so they cannot get in to our bedroom so they can't escape but sometimes they are too fast and out they run,, but they always come back. I much perfer that they stay in because they are declawed. We have all sorts of animals out there that might enjoy a cat for dinner,, so I try hard not to let them out..SHARON CROSBY wrote: I've always loved cats. My favorite one I had for 12 years. Our most recent cat, after we moved out here to the woods, disappeared one evening. I KNOW a coyote or a raccoon got him and I will never have another cat out here. We see very few roaming cats because of the coyotes. I cannot stand the thought of a pet being killed in that way, so no more cats for me. Sharon in NW WashingtonAll I have seen teaches me to trust in the Creator for all that I have not seen. Ralph Waldo Emerson Re: : Cats Reduce Risk for Cardiovascular Disease total... This study was reported on the news last night. In the segment, they said that the control group were people who had never had cats in their lifetime. I think this may account for the big difference. Although I'm a dog person, I love cats. We had one cat that someone had abandoned in the desert that showed up one day and never left. I had a Red Chow named Chico at the time and he and Stan the cat would curl up and sleep together.We've had other cats. A white cat named Eva lived for 15 years. I am on a ranch

and sometimes we wouldn't see her for days, then she would appear. Other cats we have had have dissapeared, a lot of coyotes here.Now I have two Akitas and Siberian Husky. My Akita puppy is 5 months old and already weighs 60 pounds. I think that dogs require more attention than cats and therefore a little more stress. LEE Jackie

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friskie is a indoor cat also we love her to death , she really loves us and know when we are sad or just dont feel good, she was names well she is friskie boy!!she loves to play,,,oh and she is inexpensive ,,,lol,,plays with bread twisties Dorothy wrote: Unfortunately, regardless of where you live, it’s a fact that cats that are left to roam outside have shortened lives whether lost to

predatory animals, car accidents, disease or sub-human humans. I would never allow my cat to go outside. Pearl sits out on the balcony with me in the summer and she’s content with that. Any cat that would want to leave my home would be a very stupid cat!!! LOL Dorothy From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of SHARON CROSBYSent: Saturday, February 23, 2008 2:35 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Re: Re: : Cats Reduce Risk for Cardiovascular Disease total... I've always loved cats. My favorite one I had for 12 years. Our most recent cat, after we moved out here to the woods, disappeared one evening. I KNOW a coyote or a raccoon got him and I will never have another cat out here. We see very few roaming cats because of the coyotes. I cannot stand the thought of a pet being killed in that way, so no more cats for me. Sharon in NW Washington

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