Re: More proof autism is genetic

[Guest guest]

" The symptoms between autism and mercury poisoning could be similar

enough for misidentifications to occur? "

In the Files section, there is a folder called " Reliable Information. "

In it, there is a folder containing information on the genetic origins

of autism. There is another one on vaccines which contains articles

which state why vaccines have never caused autism, why the don't cause

autism, and why they never will cause autism.

You may also find articles which state that lead poisoning mimics

autism but is NOT autism.

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[Guest guest]

" Sorry but when I took my daughter for shots about _5_ years ago there

was _still_ Thimerosal on the DDP labels so I know from experience

that data is incorrect. "

Then you medicine was 5 years old and therefore inactive. I'd sue the

doctor and get your daughter re-vaccinated if I were you.

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[Guest guest]

" Thus my argument for a genetic increase in allergies to our existing

environment. "

There ARE things that can alter genes in people, but autistic genes

are present before birth, and there is no indication that anything

the mother may have ingested or inhaled is a causative factor

in " creating " those genes. They are simply natural differentiations.

" Bull. The amount in the initial vaccinations was the dosage for a

250 lb male. Look it up. That's far beyond the dosage level for a

small child and could certainly cause these problems. Especially if

you add in a genetic allergic reaction. "

It doesn't matter what the dosage was. It is still far less than any

level that is considered toxic.

I've spent about three months researching autism and vaccinations for

an upcoming project, and medical organizations in Canada, the US, and

the UK as well as many other countries have examined this issue and

re-examined it. Thimerosal does not cause autism, nor does the

mercury fillings in teeth.

To suggest, therefore, that vaccines DO cause autism would mean that

countries all over the world are conspiring to poison their own

citizens and deliberately cover it up. Given that most countries

cannot come together on the most minor trade pacts, that the UN and

NATO and OPEC and OAS and all sorts of other groups are constantly

fighting with one another, it is hard to believe that countries the

world over could so swiftly agree to create and perpetuate such a

conspiracy.

The fact of the matter is, there have been government funded studies,

drug-company funded studies, independent studies funded by autism

organizations, and studies funded by people who truly believe there

is a link between vaccines and autism. All of these studies have

proven that there is no link between thimerosal and autism.

The ONLY study which showed there was a link was done by Dr.

Wakefield, a " scientist " who took blood samples from kids at a

birthday party and faked the results as proven by peer review and

scientists the world over.

Which brings up another point, if there were a conspiracy to cover up

the fact that vaccines cause autism, it would mean that not only

would drug companies and governments and scientists and doctors and

medical organizations and autism organizations the world over be in

on it, but it would also mean that those doctors who are in the paid

employ of people who believe there is a link are in on it.

Does anyone here expect to just sit here and believe that all these

entities and all these people can keep their mouths shut if the facts

proved there IS a link?

Aside from the scientific evidence, the above points ought to be

additional reasons in favor of the idea that there is no link between

thimerosal and autism.

It's ludicrous to think there is one.

But then, there are still people who believe the earth is flat.

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[Guest guest]

" ... <snip> ... 6) The MMR/DDP vaccinations contain a

> > small enough dose of mercury to not cause immediate problems but

> > settle, by nature, into the soft tissues. Again often in the

brain ...

> > <snip> ... "

Raven added:

> > Um, Mike? Mercury and Thimerosal have been absent from childhood

> > vaccinations in America and Canada for a decade at this point and

> > therefore vaccinations cannot possibly cause Autism based on the

> > mercury and Thimerosal argument ... just so you know.

> >

Mimi says, Thimerosal is not in vaccines other than the flu shot. It

has been removed from formulations starting in 1999. The government

did give manufactures the ability to use up their supply. There was no

recall. Parents could ask for Thimerosal free shots(if they were aware

of the issue) In certain places it was still being used in 2004, by now

there isn't a drop. Thimerosal was in contact lense solution (removed

years ago) Still in Tuna, many things are in our air and water. Lead

poisioning will cause the same issues, and lead removal still happens.

My daughter has a friend that was exposed to creaso (I spelled

phonetically) The stuff that used to be painted on railroad ties. (it

was on the deck of a house his family rented) He has been on a special

diet for 15 years but his life is still in danger. He stopped the diet

and treatments he just wants to live, a life. The point is our

environment has many access points. It can even be exposure of

grandparents to toxins that (epigenetics) mutate into heart disease in

the grandchild based on genetics.

It is a question, but the real questions are, what is best for your

child, how to move them beyond societial perceptions, and into

independance, guide them with love and responsibility.

Even if a single celled animal causes say (cancer) we cannot guard

against every single cell animal we can only educate ourselves on how

to best manage our environment and ourselves to be of use to this globe

and humanity. Or we could point fingers forever, and die as statues

>

[Guest guest]

Randy wrote: " But in life a vast majority of people (as far as I

know) will believe that obesity and sugar will cause diabetes, gout,

heart attacks, and herpes (as the joke goes). And they will believe

in vaccines as a cause one way or another as I've heard a long list

of wild claims of " causing all sorts of illnesses " so therefore

vaccines are believed to be bad overall. Heck, they would believe

that President Bush's' daughters are aliens! ... <snip> ... "

Don't you know it! The authors of " Indigo Children " and

McCarthy believe that an alien from outer space came to one of the

two authors of the book and said that Indigo children were advanced

alien/human hybrids. The offspring of two Indigo Children is

supposedly a " Crystal Child. " <rolls eyes and chuckles>

And these Indigo Children and Crystal Children are being misdiagnosed

as having Autism.

First question: Why did this alien from outer space decide to only

speak to one person and a person who has no clout even in the

publishign industry?

Second question: Why doesn't the alien from outer space speak with

the CDC about these things since they are far more able to separate

by way of identification those individuals with Autism from those

individuals who are alien/human hybrids?

And it wouldn't surprise me that President Bush's daughters are

aliens. <smiles>

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

Mike wrote: " ... <snip> ... Sorry but when I took my daughter for shots about _5_ years ago there was _still_ Thimerosal on the DDP labels so I know from experience that data is incorrect ... <snip> ..."

Here's some important information.

MMR (measles, mumps and rubella) vaccine does not cause autism or inflammatory bowel disease (Crohn's).

Hepatitis B vaccine does not cause multiple sclerosis (MS) or relapses of pre-existing MS.

Pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine does not cause brain damage.

Childhood vaccines do not increase the risk of asthma.

Vaccines do not cause sudden infant death syndrome (SIDS).

In Canada, the only routine vaccine for children that contains thimerosal is the hepatitis B vaccine. [end quote]

Source: http://www.hc-sc.gc.ca/iyh-vsv/med/misconception_e.html

Still the numbers are nearly identical in America as they are in Canada wherein the diagnosis of Autism is concerned. If, as you claim, there is still Thimerosal in childhood vaccines in America then how do you explain the nearly identical diagnosis numbers with Canada who does NOT have Thimerosal in childhood vaccines?

Regardless, here is my next questions to you since you are so intent on believing that thimerosal and mercury in vaccinations cause Autism in some cases.

In America, Thimerosal has been used as a preservative in vaccines and other biologicals since the 1930s. That being the case, why has it taken over two generations before being the cause of Autism?

A medical researcher or medical scientist will tell you that it does not take two generations for a chemical to cause changes in the human condition. An extreme example of this is Thalidomide which caused damage in the next generation and then in subsequent generations.

Furthermore, Thimerosal is composed of ethyl mercury (EtHg), which is different from the neurotoxic methyl mercury (MeHg). The fact that it is not the neurotoxic form only underscores the reason why it has not caused Autism since the 1930s.

As an FYI, EtHg is excreted much more rapidly than MeHg.

[Guest guest]

Randy wrote: " ... <snip> ... Even arguing about past Thimerasol

formulas it's heavy metal content was so insignificant that by itself

it NEVER could cause anything in standard doses and would have to be

given in gallons and gallons of amounts to even remotely be possible to

affect a person and certainly cannot EVER of course as most of us agree

be the " cause " of true Autism let alone heavy metal poisoning ...

<snip> ... "

Besides, we all know that heavy metal poisoning happened when

pretenders to the music style infiltrated the ranks of Metallica and

such. <chuckles>

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

Mike wrote: " From your previous statements of time-frame I find your

data to be invalid. A quick search of Google shows that I am not alone

in my beliefs. "

I have provided sources in a previous post earlier today.

As for your claim that because a quick search of Google shows that many

people believe that Autism is caused by childhood vaccinations, let me

point out that a quick search of Google shows that many people that the

earth is flat but that does not make the earth flat. It just means a

number of people believe it to be so despite overwhelming proof to the

contrary.

A less quick search of reputable research studies shows repeatedly that

Thimerosal and Mercury do NOT cause Autism and in countries like

Denmark, Sweden and Canada where Thimerosal and Mercury are NOT used in

childhood vaccinations, the incident rates for Autism is in keeping

with the Autism rates in countries where Thimerosal and/or Mercury are

still used in childhood vaccinations.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

wrote: " ... <snip> ... To suggest, therefore, that vaccines

DO cause autism would mean that countries all over the world are

conspiring to poison their own citizens and deliberately cover it up.

Given that most countries cannot come together on the most minor

trade pacts, that the UN and NATO and OPEC and OAS and all sorts of

other groups are constantly fighting with one another, it is hard to

believe that countries the world over could so swiftly agree to

create and perpetuate such a conspiracy ... <snip> ... "

The other reason this does not make sense is because countries want

and NEED tax payers as opposed to tax burdens. A great number of

individuals with Autism are either marginally employable or

unemployeable (due to NT standards) and wind up on some form of

government disability.

A government is always more interested in the revenues that can be

generated by way of taxes and so to poison one's own revenue pool

does not make fiscally responsible sense.

No, countries the world over would not agree to create and perpetuate

a conspiracy that would rob them of sought after future revenue

streams.

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

" My daughter has a friend that was exposed to creaso (I spelled

phonetically) The stuff that used to be painted on railroad ties. "

I think that's spelled creosote.

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[Guest guest]

>

> " My daughter has a friend that was exposed to creaso (I spelled

> phonetically) The stuff that used to be painted on railroad ties. "

>

> I think that's spelled creosote.

>

>

> Administrator

>

hey thanks!

[Guest guest]

, I never claimed to have a degree in biology. I think I'll just

stick with my computers and books. Thanks.

[Guest guest]

Re: More proof autism is genetic

Miminm wrote:

" My daughter has a friend that was exposed to creaso (I spelled

phonetically) The stuff that used to be painted on railroad ties. (it

was on the deck of a house his family rented) He has been on a special

diet for 15 years but his life is still in danger. He stopped the diet

and treatments he just wants to live, a life. The point is our

environment has many access points. It can even be exposure of

grandparents to toxins that (epigenetics) mutate into heart disease in

the grandchild based on genetics. "

I'm a railfan. It's Creosote. An oily black tar like substance (the one

used on rail ties is coal tar). I'm worried about the chemicals in pressure

treated wood. It's needed but sheesh the risk!

Just thought I'd throw that in.

Randy Garrett

Antioch, CA USA

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[sound effect of my heading hitting the desk] :-)

I'm not a fan of Heavy Metal (or most any Rock music, yuck!) but in my old

age I actually could listen to one or two Heavy Metal tunes. I wonder if

the musicians used lead guitars?

Randy Garrett

Antioch, CA USA

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Re: More proof autism is genetic

Randy wrote: " ... <snip> ... Even arguing about past Thimerasol

formulas it's heavy metal content was so insignificant that by itself

it NEVER could cause anything in standard doses and would have to be

given in gallons and gallons of amounts to even remotely be possible to

affect a person and certainly cannot EVER of course as most of us agree

be the " cause " of true Autism let alone heavy metal poisoning ...

<snip> ... "

Besides, we all know that heavy metal poisoning happened when

pretenders to the music style infiltrated the ranks of Metallica and

such. <chuckles>

Raven

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" I'm a railfan. "

I used to have a 4x8 HO scale train set in my basement, but I have

since disassembled it. I still have the cars, engines, track and

buildings.

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I never really got into model trains, but I do like traveling by train when I can. Unfortunately, the Amtrak line that was most convenient for me to get to my place in Alabama, has been closed since Katrina and probably won't be renewed. That was the Sunset Limited between ville, Florida and either Atmore or Mobile, Alabama. Atmore was closer but it was just a whistlestop with no station. If they didn't have the one cab driver in town, I wouldn't stop there since it is in the middle of no where. I suppose I could have gone to the fire station to wait for my ride (The train got in at like 3 AM).

Then again, the Sunset Limited tended to run very late (12 hours was the record while I was on it, though I did get off once and caught a plane because I was on a deadline) and it was an older, double decker style train. The private bedrooms had no toilet facilities, unlike the newer trains, though the more expensive full bedrooms did have one. That meant community toilets that were never clean and usually stank.

Now I'll have to travel through Birmingham, which is on the other end of the state and about a 3 hour drive. That also means no Mobile and seeing the USS Alabama (a WWII battleship) or finding a restaurant that serves fried crab claws (actually very tasty).

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> I'm a railfan. It's Creosote. An oily black tar like substance (the

one

> used on rail ties is coal tar). I'm worried about the chemicals in

pressure

> treated wood. It's needed but sheesh the risk!

>

> Just thought I'd throw that in.

>

> Randy Garrett

Just don't saw/cut, creating saw dust from old pressure treated lumber

or use it in new contruction because the planks may contain arsenic.

Saw this on a medical mysteries show the other night.

Kim

[Guest guest]

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>

>

> Just don't saw/cut, creating saw dust from old pressure treated lumber

> or use it in new contruction because the planks may contain arsenic.

> Saw this on a medical mysteries show the other night.

>

> Kim

>

yes that is what I referring to. He crawled on a deck mafde of the

stuff and has had arsenic poisioning. Doctors have been trying to

repair his system since infancy (don't know how it pays in but, they

made him avoid a host of foods to keep the arsenic poisioning at bay)

Gluten free (although i don't know why) Medical doctors did this (not

alternative) I just know of the child, Don't know him, he came to my

daughters birthday party once and I became aware enough to give him

foods that wouldn't exaserbate his condition

[Guest guest]

I could NEVER imagine a household deck being made with Creosote treated

wood, too gummy and messy but it could have happened. And worse is the use

of those ties in gardening too.

Not a really deadly item but risky. But for decks? Sheesh.

Randy Garrett

Antioch, CA USA

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Re: More proof autism is genetic

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>

>

> Just don't saw/cut, creating saw dust from old pressure treated lumber

> or use it in new contruction because the planks may contain arsenic.

> Saw this on a medical mysteries show the other night.

>

> Kim

>

yes that is what I referring to. He crawled on a deck mafde of the

stuff and has had arsenic poisioning. Doctors have been trying to

repair his system since infancy (don't know how it pays in but, they

made him avoid a host of foods to keep the arsenic poisioning at bay)

Gluten free (although i don't know why) Medical doctors did this (not

alternative) I just know of the child, Don't know him, he came to my

daughters birthday party once and I became aware enough to give him

foods that wouldn't exaserbate his condition

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