RE: Feel alone.

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Hi Joanne, First off, you are not alone,, we are many,, and while we dont get to meet face to face , we ARE here and you need to know that we will be here for a long time.. Stress is not good for our livers, thats for sure..So when you feel like that, it might be a good thing to try to calm down, take a deep breath. You and YOU alone have the power and ability to take charge of your emotions. We know when you are alone, it can be very difficult to stay positive,, so please, come here and share with us, talk with us, we DO understand... Congrats on your sobriety,, thats a wonderful thing and it will go a long way towards helping your liver maintain itself. Have you had a biopsy? Do you know how much damage you have and what genotype you are? All of those things are important to consider.. Well, welcome to the group and please know that we are here for you!! hugs jaxJoanne wrote: I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep

rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo Jackie

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Yes it can Joanne. I found out I had Hep C after I had been caring for my ailing father for many years. I spent every single day caring for him. After he passed, I started to get more and more fatigue. That is when I went to the doctor for something completely different but he ran some blood test on me. And the story from there is that we stumbled upon the Hep C. I don't think I raged at anyone, but I sure was depressed. And I wondered where this journey would take me. Well that was in 2000. And I have been through treatment twice. And I will do treatment again, as soon as I can get the money, insurance and a doctor to work with me. Right now I see a GP. Honey you are not alone you have 800+ family members in this group. We are here for you and let us know what we can do to help. Love Janet Joanne wrote: I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new

people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

[Guest guest]

Thanks for the info Jax. As I usually take good care of my emotional

health I was surprised and confused about this anger towards people.

Resentments are very destructive and I have spent many years working

on getting rid of the old ones and not letting new ones get a foot

hold. This mental fog, not remembering things, and sometimes out and

out confusion are new to me. Seems to follow a pattern of feeling

weak and sick in the body. My friends are as bewildered at my

behavior as I am. I have not worked in 3 weeks and am starting to

feel better. I have another job but it only takes 3 hours a day. I

will continue to watch the stress levels. I believe being an

alcoholic has a lot to do with this type of mental problems. Our

nervous system is very weak and doesn't work like other peoples. My

friends have a hard time listening to me because they really don't

understand what hepC is doing to me. So thanks for listening. A lot

of times we find our own answers just by talking. Jo

> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when

I played

> around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29.

The

> stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c

> attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking

> care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a

sudden

> I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new

> people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a

deep

> rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make

her

> send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first

> get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years.

Can

> stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind?

> Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo

>

>

>

>

>

>

> Jackie

>

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Hello Janet. Thanks for the words of comfort. My husband passed 5

years ago. That is when I was admitted to the the hospital. I too

was depressed for a long time after. 2 weeks after I got out of the

hospital I got a call from the health dept. that I had hep c. Most

everything I have learned has been on the internet. This anger came

when I was under stress at work. I have removed myself from that

situation for the last 3 weeks and I'm feeling better, mentally and

physically. Money motavated me to work more hours at that job, not a

good plan. Live and learn. Hope you find the insurance to get more

treatment. I don't have the energy or desire to try treatment. I

have lost 26 pounds, quit smoking a year and a half ago, try to eat

healthy foods and take vitamins. Sometimes my body feels like new

but if I don't take care of myself this stuff starts happening.

Thanks for listening to my ramble. Take care of yourself. Jo

> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when

I played

> around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29.

The

> stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c

> attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking

> care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a

sudden

> I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new

> people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a

deep

> rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make

her

> send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first

> get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years.

Can

> stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind?

> Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo

>

>

>

>

>

>

> " There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy

everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go "

> Frederick Faber

>

[Guest guest]

There is tremendous power in positive thinking! And we CAN

take charge of our lives, and our emotions. In 12 Step recovery, we

acknowledge the things we have no control over (i.e.: The Serenity Prayer).

But we do have control over what we do. I’m powerless over the Hep

C virus, but I made a decision to take back some control in my life by taking

control of my eating habits. And following the doctor’s

orders. Furthermore, in 12 Step recovery, we come to believe in a Higher

Power, and I do believe in God as I’ve seen His/Her working in my

life. I could never have stopped shooting cocaine and all other

substances of abuse without help. In our 11th Step, we ask our

Higher Power for the power we need to face what life has put in our path.

For 12 years, I worked as a substance abuse counselor. I

taught my patients, and I teach my students, about Rational Emotive Therapy

(RET). It’s as easy as ABCD.

RET says that the way we feel is influenced by the way we think,

by our belief systems. And if we don’t like the way we feel we can

examine our thought processes. Look for the A, the activating

event. What happened to make us feel this way? Then there is the

B. What do we believe, what do we think about the activating event?

The result is C, our emotional Consequences.

If we are not happy, we can Dispute our thoughts and beliefs.

Do I really believe this or is this a belief that was imposed on me?

I worked for a while at a correctional facility for those with

more than three OWIs. (Operating a motor vehicle While Intoxicated)

Many would take their arrest personally, and moan that the police we waiting

for them outside the bar at 2:00 am. I ask them, do you really believe

that the police were waiting for you? They wait for everyone!

If it’s helpful, and with permission, I can upload a

graphic to the group site that also demonstrates the ABCDs, of RET.

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

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[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Jackie on

Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:52 PM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: Re: Feel alone.

Hi Joanne,

First off, you are not alone,, we are many,, and while we

dont get to meet face to face , we ARE here and you need to know that we will

be here for a long time..

Stress is not good for our livers, thats for sure..So when

you feel like that, it might be a good thing to try to calm down, take a deep

breath. You and YOU alone have the power and ability to take charge of

your emotions. We know when you are alone, it can be very difficult to

stay positive,, so please, come here and share with us, talk with us, we DO

understand...

Congrats on your sobriety,, thats a wonderful thing and it

will go a long way towards helping your liver maintain itself. Have you

had a biopsy? Do you know how much damage you have and what genotype you

are? All of those things are important to consider..

Well, welcome to the group and please know that we are here

for you!!

hugs

jax

Joanne wrote:

I have likely had this virus

since I was a teenager when I played

around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The

stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c

attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking

care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden

I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new

people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep

rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her

send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first

get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can

stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind?

Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo

Jackie

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Stress can be a killer! It arouses what’s called the

Fight or Flight response. This is a natural instinct that goes back to

caveman days. It gears the body up for physical activity, but in our

society there days we don’t deal with stress well. If anyone is

interested, I could also upload a booklet I created about stress that I created

for my patients and students.

The lack of energy is my chief complaint. Oh, I ache all

over, but not being able to do the things I used to do wears me down.

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Joanne

Sent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:53 PM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: Feel alone.

I have likely had this virus since I was a

teenager when I played

around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The

stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c

attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking

care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden

I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new

people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep

rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her

send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first

get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can

stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind?

Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo

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Yes, Please upload the booklet to our files section. That way it is there for everyone who joins. I knew that you would be a addition to this group that I and others could learn from. I have a additional B.S. in psychology so you and I have a lot in common. *smile* Love Janet Matchinsky wrote:

Stress can be a killer! It arouses what’s called the Fight or Flight response. This is a natural instinct that goes back to caveman days. It gears the body up for physical activity, but in our society there days we don’t deal with stress well. If anyone is interested, I could also upload a booklet I created about stress that I created for my patients and students. The lack of energy is my chief complaint. Oh, I ache all over, but not being able to do the things I used to do wears me down. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JoanneSent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:53 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Feel alone. I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo No virus found in

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I'd be interested in that booklet! , are you taking a good Milk Thistle? I found it helped some with the fatigue.. Sheena Matchinsky wrote:

Stress can be a killer! It arouses what’s called the Fight or Flight response. This is a natural instinct that goes back to caveman days. It gears the body up for physical activity, but in our society there days we don’t deal with stress well. If anyone is interested, I could also upload a booklet I created about stress that I created for my patients and students. The lack of energy is my chief complaint. Oh, I ache all over, but not being able to do the things I used to do wears me down. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JoanneSent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:53 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Feel alone. I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM

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Again please upload to the files section. We really would appreciate it. Love Janet Matchinsky wrote: There is tremendous power in positive thinking! And we CAN take charge of our lives, and our emotions. In 12 Step recovery, we acknowledge the things we have

no control over (i.e.: The Serenity Prayer). But we do have control over what we do. I’m powerless over the Hep C virus, but I made a decision to take back some control in my life by taking control of my eating habits. And following the doctor’s orders. Furthermore, in 12 Step recovery, we come to believe in a Higher Power, and I do believe in God as I’ve seen His/Her working in my life. I could never have stopped shooting cocaine and all other substances of abuse without help. In our 11th Step, we ask our Higher Power for the power we need to face what life has put in our path. For 12 years, I worked as a substance abuse counselor. I taught my patients, and I teach my students, about

Rational Emotive Therapy (RET). It’s as easy as ABCD. RET says that the way we feel is influenced by the way we think, by our belief systems. And if we don’t like the way we feel we can examine our thought processes. Look for the A, the activating event. What happened to make us feel this way? Then there is the B. What do we believe, what do we think about the activating event? The result is C, our emotional Consequences. If we are not happy, we can

Dispute our thoughts and beliefs. Do I really believe this or is this a belief that was imposed on me? I worked for a while at a correctional facility for those with more than three OWIs. (Operating a motor vehicle While Intoxicated) Many would take their arrest personally, and moan that the police we waiting for them outside the bar at 2:00 am. I ask them, do you really believe that the police were waiting for you? They wait for everyone! If it’s helpful, and with

permission, I can upload a graphic to the group site that also demonstrates the ABCDs, of RET. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Jackie onSent:

Friday, March 07, 2008 8:52 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Re: Feel alone. Hi Joanne, First off, you are not alone,, we are many,, and while we dont get to meet face to face , we ARE here and you need to know that we will be here for a long time.. Stress is not good for our livers, thats for sure..So when you feel like that, it might be a good thing to try to calm down, take a deep breath. You and YOU alone have the power and ability to take charge of your emotions. We know when you are alone, it can be very difficult to stay positive,, so please, come here and share with us, talk with us, we DO understand... Congrats on your sobriety,, thats a wonderful thing and it will go a long way towards helping your liver maintain itself. Have you had a biopsy? Do you know how much damage you have and what genotype you are? All of those things are important to consider.. Well, welcome to the group and please know that we are here for you!! hugs jaxJoanne <helenofcorpus> wrote: I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my

body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo Jackie No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15

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Milk thistle has help me a lot too. To me, I couldn't live without my daily doses of Milk thistle.*smile. Love JanetSheena wrote: I'd be interested in that booklet! , are you taking a good Milk Thistle? I found it helped some with the

fatigue.. Sheena Matchinsky <michaelboxernest (DOT) net> wrote: Stress can be a killer! It arouses what’s called the Fight or Flight response. This is a natural instinct that goes back to caveman days. It gears the body up for physical activity, but in our society there days we don’t deal with stress well. If anyone is interested, I could also upload a booklet I created about stress that I created for my patients and students. The lack of energy is my chief complaint. Oh, I ache all over, but not being able to do the things I used to do wears me down. "Running is to dogs what dancing is

to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JoanneSent: Friday, March 07, 2008 5:53 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Feel alone. I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused

and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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I may hafta try that.

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Sheena

Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:49 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: RE: Feel alone.

I'd be interested in that booklet!

, are you taking a

good Milk Thistle?

I found it helped some with

the fatigue..

Sheena

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Where do you find it? Is there any research on it?

(I’m a scientist but I know that penicillin came from mold.)

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Janet

Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:51 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: RE: Feel alone.

Milk thistle has help me a lot too.

To me, I couldn't live without my daily doses of Milk

thistle.*smile.

Love

Janet

Sheena wrote:

I'd be interested in that booklet!

, are you taking a

good Milk Thistle?

I found it helped some with

the fatigue..

Sheena

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The virus can do that to you..make you angry and also make you want to back off from people. Once I understood this, I have fought for control for well over a year, and most times I do win out, I figure my mind and will have to be stronger than that dragon.. I live with him, but am not letting him take over.. Take care of you, Jo.. Hugs, Sheena Joanne wrote: Thanks for the info Jax. As I usually take good care of my emotional health I was surprised and confused about this anger towards people. Resentments are very destructive and I have spent many years working on getting rid of the old ones and not letting new ones get a foot hold. This mental fog, not remembering things, and sometimes out and out confusion are new to me. Seems to follow a pattern of feeling weak and sick in the body. My friends are as bewildered at my behavior as I am. I have not worked in 3 weeks and am starting to feel better. I have another job but it only takes 3 hours a day. I will continue to watch the stress

levels. I believe being an alcoholic has a lot to do with this type of mental problems. Our nervous system is very weak and doesn't work like other peoples. My friends have a hard time listening to me because they really don't understand what hepC is doing to me. So thanks for listening. A lot of times we find our own answers just by talking. Jo> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of

a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo > > > > > > > Jackie>

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Thiese are good, Jackie uses another she will tell you about.. I see you are an early riser Mr. California.. http://www.naturalwellnessonline.com/ Matchinsky wrote: Where do you find it? Is there any research on it? (I’m

a scientist but I know that penicillin came from mold.) "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JanetSent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:51 AMTo:

Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. Milk thistle has help me a lot too. To me, I couldn't live without my daily doses of Milk thistle.*smile. Love JanetSheena <mom4possums2002> wrote: I'd be interested in that booklet! , are you taking a good Milk Thistle? I found it helped some with the fatigue.. Sheena No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM

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I don’t seem to have permission to upload… can’t

find a button.

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

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On Behalf Of Janet

Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:50 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: RE: Feel alone.

Again please upload to the files section.

We really would appreciate it.

Love

Janet

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The files can be found here: http://www.dmacc.edu/instructors/mjmatchinsky/develop.html

Maybe a moderator can upload them?

This is my class website, and there is also information about

the Stages of Change model. Substance abuse treatment is changing, though

there are still plenty of diehards who stick to the Minnesota Model (education

and AA/NA). The Stages of Change came about through research into smoking

cessation programs. The researchers began to feel that people do not change

in one giant leap, that there are stages that a person goes through. It

has now been discovered that this is true of any lasting change. I stress

lasting.

Most of us need to make changes in our lifestyles, so this

graphic might be appropriate, too.

This model of change takes into account that at the beginning,

we have *no* desire to change. We aren’t even thinking about

it. This is called Precontemplation. For smokers, this is the

person who says they are perfectly happy with smoking and have *no*

intention of ever quitting.

At some point we move forward into the Contemplation Stage of

Change. We begin to *think* about change. A smoker

might begin to think about the cost of tobacco, or having to huddle outside in

the cold to smoke. Still, there is no plan and no real intention to quit.

That comes in the Preparation Stage of Change. The

individual has now made a decision and perhaps they plan to quit smoking on New

Year’s Eve, or they buy the patch. Perhaps they simply plan to cut

back on their smoking. *Any change is change*. A small,

tentative step forward might lead to a giant leap!

The Action Stage follows next. The plan is implemented.

Its New Year’s Eve and the smoker crushes the remaining cigarettes.

They apply the patch. The individual begins to live the new lifestyle.

Around the tables, you might hear “Fake it till you make it.”

If you act as if you have arrived at your goal and continue to act that way, at

some point you are *there*.

There is a Maintenance Stage. The individual may not need

to continue doing what they did at first, but they still think about returning

to the old ways, they still need to guard themselves in order to continue.

In this Model, Relapse is acknowledged as a Stage. Research

shows that on average, cigarette smokers try to quit 7 times before they are

successful. *People learn from their mistakes*. Often a

relapse can lead to greater motivation to change, especially if one does not

believe they are doomed forever. A person can return to any Stage after a

relapse. Often, they are at least partly in the Contemplation Stage, still

thinking about doing something different. After all, if you always do what

you always did you’ll always get what you always got.

At some point, after the Maintenance Stage, a person can reach

the Termination Stage of Change. *We do recover*. Lasting change *is*

possible.

To help someone in the early Stages, education is

important. Help the person see the costs and benefits of their choices. *We

all have choices*. I didn’t know that when I was using drugs.

Later on, it’s important to become a cheerleader, and encourage the person

who is trying. They don’t hafta do it perfectly at first, at least

they are trying.

The Stages area not always nice and neat and separate. A

person can move from one to the other and back again many times. A Stage

may last a second, or it might last a lifetime.

Currently I am in the Action Stage. The Infergen has been

ordered and I’ve been eating healthy for several weeks. I’m

focusing on positive thoughts. My plan is to start treatment next Friday,

in case there is a strong reaction. I have no real control over the disease

itself, but I do have control over how I fight it.

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of

Matchinsky

Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:01 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: RE: Feel alone.

I

don’t seem to have permission to upload… can’t find a button.

" Running is to dogs what dancing is

to people.

It is their way to get into the rhythm

of the universe. "

~Stanley Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and

when I knew better, I did better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ]

On Behalf Of Janet

Sent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:50 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: RE: Feel alone.

Again

please upload to the files section.

We

really would appreciate it.

Love

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Thank you, . This is very informative. Most of it makes sense, coupled with the "old" way of looking inside oneself.Sharon in NW Washington Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but about how to dance in the rain. RE: Feel alone.The files can be found here: http://www.dmacc.edu/instructors/mjmatchinsky/develop.html Maybe a moderator can upload them? This is my class website, and there is also information about the Stages of Change model. Substance abuse treatment is changing, though there are still plenty of diehards who stick to the Minnesota Model (education and AA/NA). The Stages of Change came about through research into smoking cessation programs. The researchers began to feel that people do not change in one giant leap, that there are stages that a person goes through. It has now been discovered that this is true of any lasting change. I stress lasting. Most of us need to make changes in our lifestyles, so this graphic might be appropriate, too. This model of change takes into account that at the beginning, we have *no* desire to change. We aren’t even thinking about it. This is called Precontemplation. For smokers, this is the person who says they are perfectly happy with smoking and have *no* intention of ever quitting. At some point we move forward into the Contemplation Stage of Change. We begin to *think* about change. A smoker might begin to think about the cost of tobacco, or having to huddle outside in the cold to smoke. Still, there is no plan and no real intention to quit. That comes in the Preparation Stage of Change. The individual has now made a decision and perhaps they plan to quit smoking on New Year’s Eve, or they buy the patch. Perhaps they simply plan to cut back on their smoking. *Any change is change*. A small, tentative step forward might lead to a giant leap! The Action Stage follows next. The plan is implemented. Its New Year’s Eve and the smoker crushes the remaining cigarettes. They apply the patch. The individual begins to live the new lifestyle. Around the tables, you might hear “Fake it till you make it.” If you act as if you have arrived at your goal and continue to act that way, at some point you are *there*. There is a Maintenance Stage. The individual may not need to continue doing what they did at first, but they still think about returning to the old ways, they still need to guard themselves in order to continue. In this Model, Relapse is acknowledged as a Stage. Research shows that on average, cigarette smokers try to quit 7 times before they are successful. *People learn from their mistakes*. Often a relapse can lead to greater motivation to change, especially if one does not believe they are doomed forever. A person can return to any Stage after a relapse. Often, they are at least partly in the Contemplation Stage, still thinking about doing something different. After all, if you always do what you always did you’ll always get what you always got. At some point, after the Maintenance Stage, a person can reach the Termination Stage of Change. *We do recover*. Lasting change *is* possible. To help someone in the early Stages, education is important. Help the person see the costs and benefits of their choices. *We all have choices*. I didn’t know that when I was using drugs. Later on, it’s important to become a cheerleader, and encourage the person who is trying. They don’t hafta do it perfectly at first, at least they are trying. The Stages area not always nice and neat and separate. A person can move from one to the other and back again many times. A Stage may last a second, or it might last a lifetime. Currently I am in the Action Stage. The Infergen has been ordered and I’ve been eating healthy for several weeks. I’m focusing on positive thoughts. My plan is to start treatment next Friday, in case there is a strong reaction. I have no real control over the disease itself, but I do have control over how I fight it. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe."~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of MatchinskySent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:01 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. I don’t seem to have permission to upload… can’t find a button. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe."~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JanetSent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:50 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. Again please upload to the files section.We really would appreciate it.LoveJanet No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM

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i have been taking the milk thistle alsoSheena wrote: I'd be interested in that booklet! , are you taking a good Milk Thistle? I found it helped some with the fatigue.. Sheena Matchinsky <michaelboxernest (DOT) net> wrote: Stress can be a killer! It arouses what’s called the Fight or Flight response. This is a natural instinct that goes back to caveman days. It gears the body up for physical activity, but in our society there days we don’t deal with stress well. If anyone is interested, I could also upload a booklet I created about stress that I created for my patients and students. The lack of energy is

my chief complaint. Oh, I ache all over, but not being able to do the things I used to do wears me down. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JoanneSent: Friday, March

07, 2008 5:53 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Feel alone. I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years.

Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage.

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hi joanne i feel its the meds and the effects of the whole thing i am angry, i have been very angry and have had anti depressant highered celexa 40mg it has helped but i just feel like i have lost all kinds of patience with the people i love,,,i too, feel as if i am mental fog, and forgetfull, and days where i just dont wanna go to another dr appt, or go to lab for more blood, but to know i am not alone as you are not alone helps, and to know i have this grp means alot to me, becasue not everyone understands hep c and all the effects mentally and physcially, but this grp does !!!!Joanne wrote: Thanks for the info Jax. As I usually take good care of my emotional health I was surprised and confused about this anger towards people. Resentments are very destructive and I have spent many years working on getting rid of the old ones and not letting new ones get a foot hold. This mental fog, not remembering things, and sometimes out and out confusion are new to me. Seems to follow a pattern of feeling weak and sick in the body. My friends are as bewildered at my behavior as I am. I have not worked in 3 weeks and am starting to feel better. I have another job but it only takes 3 hours a day. I will continue to watch the stress levels. I believe being an alcoholic has a lot to do with this type of mental problems. Our nervous system is very weak and doesn't work like other peoples. My friends have a hard time listening to me because they really

don't understand what hepC is doing to me. So thanks for listening. A lot of times we find our own answers just by talking. Jo> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight

with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo > > > > > > > Jackie>

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Joyce, I feel the same, tho I've now been out of tx for 6 months. My marriage is in danger, but I cannot get myself to turn around. Need better pills!! lol During tx, it's par for the course, but I should be getting over it by now....Sharon in NW Washington Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but about how to dance in the rain. hi joanne i feel its the meds and the effects of the whole thing i am angry, i have been very angry and have had anti depressant highered celexa 40mg it has helped but i just feel like i have lost all kinds of patience with the people i love,,,i too, feel as if i am mental fog, and forgetfull, and days where i just dont wanna go to another dr appt, or go to lab for more blood, but to know i am not alone as you are not alone helps, and to know i have this grp means alot to me, becasue not everyone understands hep c and all the effects mentally and physcially, but this grp does !!!!

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sharon, i understand my sister, was so alone and going thru chemo and radiation to boot and as you after tx, she knew she needed something more for her self, not for anyone else but her first, as i am now feeling, its about me now, not about taking care of others, alrgough as we feel better about ourselves and radiates to others, depression, sadness isolation are all hard and it does effet our relationships with others, i am so snippy, and i bet it also has to do with my wanting to make positive changes for me!!!!!!!!!!!it might sound easy but its not simple!!!!!!!!!joyceSHARON CROSBY wrote: Joyce, I feel the same, tho I've now been out of tx for 6 months. My marriage is in danger, but I cannot get myself to turn around. Need better pills!! lol During tx, it's par for the course, but I should be getting over it by now.... Sharon in NW Washington Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but about how to dance in the rain. hi joanne i feel its the meds and the effects of the whole thing i am angry, i have been very angry and have had anti depressant highered celexa 40mg it has helped but i just feel like i have lost all kinds of patience with the people i love,,,i too, feel as if i am mental fog, and forgetfull, and days where i just

dont wanna go to another dr appt, or go to lab for more blood, but to know i am not alone as you are not alone helps, and to know i have this grp means alot to me, becasue not everyone understands hep c and all the effects mentally and physcially, but this grp does !!!!

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You're very welcome Joanne. thats what we are here for.. Are you on an antidepressant? Before I found out I had hep c, I was going through a very very painful divorce and got to the point of being homicidal and suicidal so I went to my therapist, gave her my firearm and ammo, then went to my doc and got celexa. It turned everything around to the point that those I worked with would say "Jackie is going through such a hard time and we've never seen her so happy:"..LOL.. It made everything so much easier.. then I met and married my current husband and on our first anniversary, almost to the day, I got my diagnosis,, I thought he'd leave me but he didnt, he just took over everything and let me do my treatment and he was the support I needed.. and yes, I did get my gun and ammo back.. and I think my therapist was glad to get rid of it,, I think it scared the heck out of her,, lol.. There is a letter to those who dont have hep c that I will

send you so that you can print it out and give it to your friends when they wonder why you fell like you do. Sometimes its easier to just give that to them than to try to explain it.. I hope that you will stay with us and that we will be able to give you the support you need... hugs jackieJoanne wrote: Thanks for the info Jax. As I usually take good care of my emotional health I was surprised and confused about this anger towards people. Resentments are very destructive and

I have spent many years working on getting rid of the old ones and not letting new ones get a foot hold. This mental fog, not remembering things, and sometimes out and out confusion are new to me. Seems to follow a pattern of feeling weak and sick in the body. My friends are as bewildered at my behavior as I am. I have not worked in 3 weeks and am starting to feel better. I have another job but it only takes 3 hours a day. I will continue to watch the stress levels. I believe being an alcoholic has a lot to do with this type of mental problems. Our nervous system is very weak and doesn't work like other peoples. My friends have a hard time listening to me because they really don't understand what hepC is doing to me. So thanks for listening. A lot of times we find our own answers just by talking. Jo> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the

mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo > > > > > > > Jackie>Jackie

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if you dont mind i would like a copy of letter to, its prob a valuable tool...Jackie on wrote: You're very welcome Joanne. thats what we are here for.. Are you on an antidepressant? Before I found out I had hep c, I was going through a very very painful divorce and got to the point of being homicidal and suicidal so I went to my therapist, gave her my firearm and ammo, then went to my doc and got celexa. It turned everything around to the point that those I worked with would say "Jackie is going through such a

hard time and we've never seen her so happy:"..LOL.. It made everything so much easier.. then I met and married my current husband and on our first anniversary, almost to the day, I got my diagnosis,, I thought he'd leave me but he didnt, he just took over everything and let me do my treatment and he was the support I needed.. and yes, I did get my gun and ammo back.. and I think my therapist was glad to get rid of it,, I think it scared the heck out of her,, lol.. There is a letter to those who dont have hep c that I will send you so that you can print it out and give it to your friends when they wonder why you fell like you do. Sometimes its easier to just give that to them than to try to explain it.. I hope that you will stay with us and that we will be able to give you the support you need... hugs jackieJoanne <helenofcorpus> wrote: Thanks for the info Jax. As I usually take good care of my emotional health I was surprised and confused about this anger towards people. Resentments are very destructive and I have spent many years working on getting rid of the old ones and not letting new ones get a foot hold. This mental fog, not remembering things, and sometimes out and out confusion are new to me. Seems to follow a pattern of feeling weak and sick in the body. My friends are as bewildered at my behavior as I am. I have not worked in 3 weeks and am starting to feel better. I have another job but it only takes 3 hours a day. I will continue to watch the stress levels. I believe being an alcoholic has a lot to do with this type of mental problems. Our nervous system is very weak and doesn't work like other peoples. My friends have a hard time listening to me because they really

don't understand what hepC is doing to me. So thanks for listening. A lot of times we find our own answers just by talking. Jo> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight

with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo > > > > > > > Jackie>Jackie

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Sharon, sometimes we never get over treatment.. be patient with yourself,, if you can't get back to where you were before tx, you will find another way to be NOW.. thats whats important!SHARON CROSBY wrote: Joyce, I feel the same, tho I've now been out of tx for 6 months. My marriage is in danger, but I cannot get myself to turn around. Need better pills!! lol During tx, it's par for the course, but I should

be getting over it by now.... Sharon in NW Washington Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but about how to dance in the rain. hi joanne i feel its the meds and the effects of the whole thing i am angry, i have been very angry and have had anti depressant highered celexa 40mg it has helped but i just feel like i have lost all kinds of patience with the people i love,,,i too, feel as if i am mental fog, and forgetfull, and days where i just dont wanna go to another dr appt, or go to lab for more blood, but to know i am not alone as you are not alone helps, and to know i have this grp means alot to me, becasue not everyone understands hep c and all the effects mentally and physcially, but this grp does !!!! Jackie

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hon, this too shall pass,,, when you finish tx, all those angry feelings should go away,, try to remember that,,joyceann silva wrote: hi joanne i feel its the meds and the effects of the whole thing i am angry, i have been very angry and have had anti depressant highered celexa 40mg it has helped but i just feel like i have lost all kinds of patience with the people i love,,,i too, feel as if i am mental fog, and forgetfull, and days where i just dont wanna go to another dr appt, or go to lab for more blood, but to know i am

not alone as you are not alone helps, and to know i have this grp means alot to me, becasue not everyone understands hep c and all the effects mentally and physcially, but this grp does !!!!Joanne <helenofcorpus> wrote: Thanks for the info Jax. As I usually take good care of my emotional health I was surprised and confused about this anger towards people. Resentments are very destructive and I have spent many years working on getting rid of the old ones and not letting new ones get a foot hold. This mental fog, not remembering things, and sometimes out and out confusion are new to me. Seems to follow a pattern of feeling weak and sick in the body. My friends are as bewildered at my behavior as I am. I have not worked in 3 weeks and am starting to feel better. I have another job but it only takes 3 hours a

day. I will continue to watch the stress levels. I believe being an alcoholic has a lot to do with this type of mental problems. Our nervous system is very weak and doesn't work like other peoples. My friends have a hard time listening to me because they really don't understand what hepC is doing to me. So thanks for listening. A lot of times we find our own answers just by talking. Jo> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of

myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo > > > > > > > Jackie> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. Jackie