RE: Feel alone.

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Hi , This is dr michael murray who is the most renoun ND in the northwest,, here is the link to his paper,, I had it saved but my computer crashed and I lost it, but I DO plan on copy and pasting this and saving it.. its very educational, lemme know what you think after you read it, http://www.doctormurray.com/articles/silybin.htm Matchinsky wrote: Where do you find it? Is there any research on it? (I’m a scientist but I know that penicillin came from mold.) "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the

universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JanetSent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:51 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. Milk thistle has help me a lot too. To me, I couldn't live without my daily doses of Milk thistle.*smile. Love JanetSheena <mom4possums2002> wrote: I'd be interested in that booklet! , are you taking a good Milk Thistle? I found it helped some with the fatigue.. Sheena No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM Jackie

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, that is most excellently said,, I love your attitude! Matchinsky wrote: There is tremendous power in positive thinking! And we CAN take charge of our lives, and our emotions. In 12 Step recovery, we acknowledge the things we have no control over (i.e.: The Serenity Prayer). But we do have control over what we do. I’m powerless over the Hep C virus, but I made a

decision to take back some control in my life by taking control of my eating habits. And following the doctor’s orders. Furthermore, in 12 Step recovery, we come to believe in a Higher Power, and I do believe in God as I’ve seen His/Her working in my life. I could never have stopped shooting cocaine and all other substances of abuse without help. In our 11th Step, we ask our Higher Power for the power we need to face what life has put in our path. For 12 years, I worked as a substance abuse counselor. I taught my patients, and I teach my students, about Rational Emotive Therapy (RET). It’s as easy as ABCD. RET says that the way we feel is influenced by the way we think, by our belief systems. And if we don’t like the way we feel we can examine our thought processes. Look for the A, the activating event. What happened to make us feel this way? Then there is the B. What do we believe, what do we think about the activating event? The result is C, our emotional Consequences. If we are not happy, we can Dispute our thoughts and beliefs. Do I really believe this or is this a belief that was imposed on me? I worked for a while at a correctional facility for those with more than three OWIs. (Operating a motor vehicle While Intoxicated) Many would take their arrest personally, and moan that the police we waiting for them outside the bar at 2:00 am. I ask them, do you really believe that the police were waiting for you? They wait for everyone! If it’s helpful, and with permission, I can upload a graphic to the group site that also demonstrates the ABCDs, of RET. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Jackie onSent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:52 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Re: Feel

alone. Hi Joanne, First off, you are not alone,, we are many,, and while we dont get to meet face to face , we ARE here and you need to know that we will be here for a long time.. Stress is not good for our livers, thats for sure..So when you feel like that, it might be a good thing to try to calm down, take a deep breath. You and YOU alone have the power and ability to take charge of your emotions. We know when you are alone, it can be very difficult to stay positive,, so please, come here and share with us, talk with us, we DO understand... Congrats on your sobriety,, thats a wonderful thing and it will go a long way towards helping your liver maintain

itself. Have you had a biopsy? Do you know how much damage you have and what genotype you are? All of those things are important to consider.. Well, welcome to the group and please know that we are here for you!! hugs jaxJoanne <helenofcorpus> wrote: I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new

things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo Jackie No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus

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, I've been backsliding in my self esteem. Can you recommend some reading material to help me? I'm a senior and it's far harder for old persons to change lifelong habits, but I still have an open mind and would appreciate your suggestions. Sharon in NW Washington Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but about how to dance in the rain.There is tremendous power in positive thinking! And we CAN take charge of our lives, and our emotions. In 12 Step recovery, we acknowledge the things we have no control over (i.e.: The Serenity Prayer). But we do have control over what we do. I'm powerless over the Hep C virus, but I made a decision to take back some control in my life by taking control of my eating habits. And following the doctor's orders. Furthermore, in 12 Step recovery, we come to believe in a Higher Power, and I do believe in God as I've seen His/Her working in my life. I could never have stopped shooting cocaine and all other substances of abuse without help. In our 11th Step, we ask our Higher Power for the power we need to face what life has put in our path.For 12 years, I worked as a substance abuse counselor. I taught my patients, and I teach my students, about Rational Emotive Therapy (RET). It's as easy as ABCD.RET says that the way we feel is influenced by the way we think, by our belief systems. And if we don't like the way we feel we can examine our thought processes. Look for the A, the activating event. What happened to make us feel this way? Then there is the B. What do we believe, what do we think about the activating event? The result is C, our emotional Consequences. If we are not happy, we can Dispute our thoughts and beliefs. Do I really believe this or is this a belief that was imposed on me? I worked for a while at a correctional facility for those with more than three OWIs. (Operating a motor vehicle While Intoxicated) Many would take their arrest personally, and moan that the police we waiting for them outside the bar at 2:00 am. I ask them, do you really believe that the police were waiting for you? They wait for everyone!If it's helpful, and with permission, I can upload a graphic to the group site that also demonstrates the ABCDs, of RET."Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe."~Stanley Coren~"I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better."~Maya Angelou~From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Jackie onSent: Friday, March 07, 2008 8:52 PMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Re: Feel alone.Hi Joanne,First off, you are not alone,, we are many,, and while we dont get to meet face to face , we ARE here and you need to know that we will be here for a long time..Stress is not good for our livers, thats for sure..So when you feel like that, it might be a good thing to try to calm down, take a deep breath. You and YOU alone have the power and ability to take charge of your emotions. We know when you are alone, it can be very difficult to stay positive,, so please, come here and share with us, talk with us, we DO understand...Congrats on your sobriety,, thats a wonderful thing and it will go a long way towards helping your liver maintain itself. Have you had a biopsy? Do you know how much damage you have and what genotype you are? All of those things are important to consider.. Well, welcome to the group and please know that we are here for you!! hugs jaxJoanne <helenofcorpus> wrote:I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo JackieNo virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AMNo virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AMJackie

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Chronic disease makes it difficult to maintain a positive

attitude. I believe that the most important thing a person can do to

improve their self-esteem is daily affirmations. At one point in my

recovery from substance abuse, it had become evident that I didn’t think

too much of myself. It was recommended that I look in a mirror, and say “I

love you, ” at least ten times a day, for one week. Then one

month. I began to think better about myself.

There are a number of good “daily meditation” books

which can help a person focus on the positive. I like “The Language

of Letting Go” by Melody Beattie. Its aimed at co-dependents,

though so it might not fit for you. Others include “Each Day is a

New Beginning,” “Day by Day” and “Daily Affirmations

for Adult Children.” Another good book that I’ve used in my

practice is “Feeling Good” by Burns. Some books are written

especially for women. There are also books aimed at seniors.

I did a search at Amazon under self-help and seniors and found

several books such as “Overcoming Senior Moments” and “Beating

the Senior Blues.” Adding “daily meditation” to that

search and found “Facing Life's Challenges: Daily Meditations for

Overcoming Depression, Grief and " The Blues " and Growing Older,

Growing Better: Daily Meditations for Celebrating Aging.

My wife’s Aunt Fanny lived with us for many years.

At 97, she was still doing house work and yard work, until she broke her

hip. She probably weighed 97, too but I wouldn’t cross her! Now,

I can understand a little about how she felt when body parts would stop working

the way they should. She want to adult day care until she was 100, and

then she deteriorated to the point where was had to place her in a nursing home.

She passed away shortly after that.

Positive self-talk is how to have a positive attitude. What

we say to ourselves is so important. Many of us were told were told that we

were worthless, in one way or another, all of our lives. Fanny needed to

have value, to be worth something. She didn’t realize that she was

valuable just the way she was. Still, those repetitive, negative messages

that we hear all of lives become “old tapes” that we tend to

replay. Positive self-talk can counter those old messages.

If you are a spiritual person, Osteen has a wonderful,

positive message. He looks and sounds like a televangelist, but his

message is hopeful and positive. His website http://joelosteen.lakewood.cc/site/PageServer?pagename=JOM_homepage

has videos that you can watch.

I don’t care how old you are. You are still

important as a child of God.

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

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[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of SHARON CROSBY

Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 12:18 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: Re: Feel alone.

, I've been backsliding in my self esteem. Can

you recommend some reading material to help me? I'm a senior and it's far

harder for old persons to change lifelong habits, but I still have an open mind

and would appreciate your suggestions.

Sharon in NW Washington

Life isn't about how to survive the storm, but about how to

dance in the rain.

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I did that and you should be receiving a email letting you know that they are in our file section. Love Janet Matchinsky wrote: The files can be found here: http://www.dmacc.edu/instructors/mjmatchinsky/develop.html Maybe a moderator can upload them? This is my class website, and there is also information about the Stages of Change model. Substance abuse treatment is changing, though there are still plenty of diehards who stick to the Minnesota Model (education and AA/NA). The Stages of Change came about through research into smoking cessation programs. The

researchers began to feel that people do not change in one giant leap, that there are stages that a person goes through. It has now been discovered that this is true of any lasting change. I stress lasting. Most of us need to make changes in our lifestyles, so this graphic might be appropriate, too. This model of change takes into account that at the beginning, we have *no* desire to change. We aren’t even thinking about it. This is called Precontemplation. For

smokers, this is the person who says they are perfectly happy with smoking and have *no* intention of ever quitting. At some point we move forward into the Contemplation Stage of Change. We begin to *think* about change. A smoker might begin to think about the cost of tobacco, or having to huddle outside in the cold to smoke. Still, there is no plan and no real intention to quit. That comes in the Preparation Stage of Change. The individual has now made a decision

and perhaps they plan to quit smoking on New Year’s Eve, or they buy the patch. Perhaps they simply plan to cut back on their smoking. *Any change is change*. A small, tentative step forward might lead to a giant leap! The Action Stage follows next. The plan is implemented. Its New Year’s Eve and the smoker crushes the remaining cigarettes. They apply the patch. The individual begins to live the new lifestyle. Around the tables, you might hear “Fake it till you make it.” If you act as if you have arrived at your goal and continue to act that way, at some point you are *there*. There is a Maintenance Stage. The individual may not need to continue doing what they did at first, but they still think about returning to the old ways, they still need to guard themselves in order to continue. In this Model, Relapse is acknowledged as a Stage. Research shows that on average, cigarette smokers try to quit 7 times before they are successful. *People learn from their mistakes*. Often a relapse can lead to greater motivation to change, especially if one does not believe they are doomed forever. A person can return to any Stage after a

relapse. Often, they are at least partly in the Contemplation Stage, still thinking about doing something different. After all, if you always do what you always did you’ll always get what you always got. At some point, after the Maintenance Stage, a person can reach the Termination Stage of Change. *We do recover*. Lasting change *is* possible. To help someone in the early Stages, education is important. Help the person see the costs and benefits of their choices. *We

all have choices*. I didn’t know that when I was using drugs. Later on, it’s important to become a cheerleader, and encourage the person who is trying. They don’t hafta do it perfectly at first, at least they are trying. The Stages area not always nice and neat and separate. A person can move from one to the other and back again many times. A Stage may last a second, or it might last a lifetime. Currently I am in the Action Stage. The Infergen has been ordered

and I’ve been eating healthy for several weeks. I’m focusing on positive thoughts. My plan is to start treatment next Friday, in case there is a strong reaction. I have no real control over the disease itself, but I do have control over how I fight it. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From:

Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of MatchinskySent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 8:01 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. I don’t seem to have permission to upload… can’t find a button. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JanetSent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:50 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. Again please upload to the files section. We really would appreciate it. Love Janet No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this incoming message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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I probably have it set to where only the moderators can upload files. I might have set that a long time ago when we were getting a lot of spam bots in the group. If you want files added to the group, send them to me or one of the other owners. We will put them in there for you. Love Janet Matchinsky wrote: I don’t seem to have permission to upload… can’t find a button. "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JanetSent: Saturday,

March 08, 2008 7:50 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. Again please upload to the files section. We really would appreciate it. Love Janet No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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Yeah, it is a bit early in California. When I call my friends in California I have to be mindful of the fact they are 2 hours behind me, here in Oklahoma (central time). Love JanetSheena wrote: Thiese are good, Jackie uses another she will tell you about.. I see you are an early riser Mr. California.. http://www.naturalwellnessonline.com/ Matchinsky <michaelboxernest (DOT) net> wrote: Where do you find it? Is there any research on it? (I’m a scientist but I know that penicillin came from mold.) "Running is to dogs what dancing is to people. It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe." ~Stanley Coren~ "I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better." ~Maya Angelou~ From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of JanetSent: Saturday, March 08, 2008 7:51 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Feel alone. Milk thistle has help me a lot too. To me, I couldn't live without my daily doses of Milk thistle.*smile. Love JanetSheena <mom4possums2002> wrote: I'd be interested in that booklet! , are you taking a good Milk Thistle? I found it helped some with the fatigue.. Sheena No virus found in this outgoing message.Checked by AVG Free Edition.Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database:

269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM Never miss a thing. Make Yahoo your homepage. "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go" Frederick Faber

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Hey , do You know of any resources of a 'Secular'-nature-?

As I am an Atheist, I have no use what-so-ever for the 'higher-power'

routine/s,...

I really wouldn't want to trade an addiction/s for another

addiction/s, (mind-virus) ....to say nothing of the fact that I

REALLY don't want (can't-afford) to be giving 10% of my Gross-income

(before-taxes)to anyplace for the rest of my life. LOL

Actual FREEDOM of body AND mind would be much better choices in my

situation/viewpoint.

Thanks for the help, if You can.

>

> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played

> around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29.

The

> stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c

> attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking

> care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a

sudden

> I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new

> people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a

deep

> rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make

her

> send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first

> get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years.

Can

> stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind?

> Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo

>

>

>

>

> Jackie

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Wonderful!

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of Janet

Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 9:48 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: RE: Feel alone.

I did that and you should be receiving a email letting you

know that they are in our file section.

Love

Janet

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I don’t blame you… I don’t “tithe”

myself. RET (by Albert Ellis) is secular and so are the Stages of Change

and the Stress Management information that was uploaded. Even in the 12

Step programs, a belief in God isn’t necessary; just a belief that

someone or something can help. Many use their group support as that “Higher

Power.” With Hep C, I tend to look at medicine as a “power

greater than myself.” I don’t believe that anyone should be

forced to accept a Higher Power, though my attitude is still unusual in the

addiction treatment industry. Probation officers and Treatment

programs get away with forcing people to AA/NA because they are considered “educational.”

BTW- I am not religious, though I consider myself

spiritual. I do not believe in any organized religion, though Buddhism

holds some appeal. There is a great book called “In the Lap of

Buddha” written by a man with AIDs that’s is a great source of

inspiration. There are some addiction support groups such as Secular

Organizations for Sobriety (SOS) also known as Save Our Selves and SMART that

are secular in nature.

I’m not sure exactly what you’re looking for, but “Feeling

Good” by Burns is a great resource for gaining some happiness and

RET is great for gaining back some control over our lives.

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of DUG

Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:35 AM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: Re: Feel alone.

Hey , do You know of any resources of a

'Secular'-nature-?

As I am an Atheist, I have no use what-so-ever for the 'higher-power'

routine/s,...

I really wouldn't want to trade an addiction/s for another

addiction/s, (mind-virus) ....to say nothing of the fact that I

REALLY don't want (can't-afford) to be giving 10% of my Gross-income

(before-taxes)to anyplace for the rest of my life. LOL

Actual FREEDOM of body AND mind would be much better choices in my

situation/viewpoint.

Thanks for the help, if You can.

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Sounds interesting, I'll check-into SOS and SMART, and see what those

programs might have to offer in my area.

It also makes things difficult because of a lack of transport/ability

to appear to 'meetings' etc. on anything resembling a 'regular'-basis.

Thanks again ,.... at least I have 'something' to go on now-

! :-)

>

> I don't blame you… I don't " tithe " myself. RET (by Albert Ellis)

is secular

> and so are the Stages of Change and the Stress Management

information that

> was uploaded. Even in the 12 Step programs, a belief in God isn't

> necessary; just a belief that someone or something can help. Many

use their

> group support as that " Higher Power. " With Hep C, I tend to look at

> medicine as a " power greater than myself. " I don't believe that

anyone

> should be forced to accept a Higher Power, though my attitude is

still

> unusual in the addiction treatment industry. Probation officers

and

> Treatment programs get away with forcing people to AA/NA because

they are

> considered " educational. "

>

>

>

> BTW- I am not religious, though I consider myself spiritual. I do

not

> believe in any organized religion, though Buddhism holds some

appeal. There

> is a great book called " In the Lap of Buddha " written by a man with

AIDs

> that's is a great source of inspiration. There are some addiction

support

> groups such as Secular Organizations for Sobriety (SOS) also known

as Save

> Our Selves and SMART that are secular in nature.

>

>

>

> I'm not sure exactly what you're looking for, but " Feeling Good " by

> Burns is a great resource for gaining some happiness and RET is

great for

> gaining back some control over our lives.

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

>

> 19

>

> " Running is to dogs what dancing is to people.

>

> It is their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

>

> ~Stanley Coren~

>

>

>

> " I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did better. "

>

>

>

> ~Maya Angelou~

>

>

>

> From: Hepatitis_C_Central

> [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of DUG

> Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 10:35 AM

> To: Hepatitis_C_Central

> Subject: Re: Feel alone.

>

>

>

> Hey , do You know of any resources of a 'Secular'-nature-?

>

> As I am an Atheist, I have no use what-so-ever for the 'higher-

power'

> routine/s,...

>

> I really wouldn't want to trade an addiction/s for another

> addiction/s, (mind-virus) ....to say nothing of the fact that I

> REALLY don't want (can't-afford) to be giving 10% of my Gross-

income

> (before-taxes)to anyplace for the rest of my life. LOL

>

> Actual FREEDOM of body AND mind would be much better choices in my

> situation/viewpoint.

>

> Thanks for the help, if You can.

>

>

>

>

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SOS can be found here: http://www.secularsobriety.org/

and SMART is here: http://www.smartrecovery.org/

" Running

is to dogs what dancing is to people.

It is

their way to get into the rhythm of the universe. "

~Stanley

Coren~

" I did then what I knew then and when I knew better, I did

better. "

~Maya Angelou~

From:

Hepatitis_C_Central

[mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of DUG

Sent: Sunday, March 09, 2008 1:03 PM

To: Hepatitis_C_Central

Subject: Re: Feel alone.

Sounds interesting, I'll check-into SOS and

SMART, and see what those

programs might have to offer in my area.

It also makes things difficult because of a lack of transport/ability

to appear to 'meetings' etc. on anything resembling a 'regular'-basis.

Thanks again ,.... at least I have 'something' to go on now-

! :-)

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Sharon I just want to give you a big ol' hug! Stop being so hard on yourself honey!

You said... "but I should be getting over it by now...." Those woulda, shoulda, coulda's are putting so many expectations on you, that's not fair to yourself.

Go check 's RET booklet, that'll challenge those darned "woulda, shoulda, coulda's"!

Luv

anne

Re: Re: Feel alone.

Joyce, I feel the same, tho I've now been out of tx for 6 months. My marriage is in danger, but I cannot get myself to turn around. Need better pills!! lol During tx, it's par for the course, but I should be getting over it by now....

Sharon in NW Washington

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We respect all faiths here Dug.. but I would appreciate it if you didnt refer to faith as a "Mind-virus".. or any other derogative connotations.... please... thanks jaxDUG wrote: Hey , do You know of any resources of a 'Secular'-nature-?As I am an Atheist, I have no use what-so-ever for the 'higher-power' routine/s,... I really wouldn't want to trade an addiction/s for another addiction/s, (mind-virus) ....to say nothing of the fact that I

REALLY don't want (can't-afford) to be giving 10% of my Gross-income (before-taxes)to anyplace for the rest of my life. LOL Actual FREEDOM of body AND mind would be much better choices in my situation/viewpoint.Thanks for the help, if You can.>

> I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo > > > > > Jackie>

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Thanks for all the support. I read everybody's reply and went and

looked at the links. I read the articles in the files section. They

helped a lot. This is what really got me...the tiredness of hcv.

One day I can feel good, great even and the next day I can't even

talk on the phone. I thought I was going crazy. Hard to explain to

my friends, but the letter you'all sent me, should help to some

degree. I am taking milk thistle, along with some other vitamins. I

quit smoking 1 1/2 years ago. Joined WW in Nov.'07, to learn how to

eat a healthy diet. I have felt a lot better since following their

plan. Basicly a fat free and portion controlled diet with lots of

fruit, grains, and vegatables. The article on stress I got in

response to my letter was most informative. Thanks all for the words

of wisdom. I will be reading here even if you don't hear from me. Jo

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> stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c

> attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking

> care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a

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> people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a

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> Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo

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im glad we all could help, god knows i get inspiration and encouragement for all of you evertyday, id be lost without every single one of you, sounds like you are doing all the right things, Joanne wrote: Thanks for all the support. I read everybody's reply and went and looked at the links. I read the articles in the files section. They helped a lot. This is what really got me...the tiredness of hcv. One day I can feel good, great even and the next day I can't even talk on the phone. I thought I was going

crazy. Hard to explain to my friends, but the letter you'all sent me, should help to some degree. I am taking milk thistle, along with some other vitamins. I quit smoking 1 1/2 years ago. Joined WW in Nov.'07, to learn how to eat a healthy diet. I have felt a lot better since following their plan. Basicly a fat free and portion controlled diet with lots of fruit, grains, and vegatables. The article on stress I got in response to my letter was most informative. Thanks all for the words of wisdom. I will be reading here even if you don't hear from me. Jo> > I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years. Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo >

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Joanne, that is good but you NEED some fats because if you dont consume some, you put yourself at risk of nerve issues.. the nerve sheath is made up of some fats and so you cannot eat a non fat diet all the time and expect to remain well.. Olive oil, coconut oil,real butter are good fats,, margarines that are full of transfats are not and cause damage..Joanne wrote: Thanks for all the support. I read everybody's reply and went and looked at the links. I read the articles in the files section. They helped a lot. This

is what really got me...the tiredness of hcv. One day I can feel good, great even and the next day I can't even talk on the phone. I thought I was going crazy. Hard to explain to my friends, but the letter you'all sent me, should help to some degree. I am taking milk thistle, along with some other vitamins. I quit smoking 1 1/2 years ago. Joined WW in Nov.'07, to learn how to eat a healthy diet. I have felt a lot better since following their plan. Basicly a fat free and portion controlled diet with lots of fruit, grains, and vegatables. The article on stress I got in response to my letter was most informative. Thanks all for the words of wisdom. I will be reading here even if you don't hear from me. Jo> > I have likely had this virus since I was a teenager when I played > around with drugs. Have been sober and drug free since I was 29. The > stress of my husband's death put me in the hospital. Having a hep c > attack? Don't understand what happens to my body. Have been taking > care of myself and keeping stress out of my life. Then all of a sudden > I found my job very stressful. A lot of new things happened and new > people brought into work. My mind got very confused and I felt a deep > rage at mankind in general. I picked a fight with my boss and make her > send me home. Skin showing some jaudice in the morning when I first > get up, then it goes away. No energy. Had the virus 38-40 years.

Can > stress realy cause this stuff to flair up in the body and the mind? > Any comments would be helpful. Thanks Jo > > > > > > Jackie> > > > No virus found in this incoming message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM> > > No virus found in this outgoing message.> Checked by AVG Free Edition.> Version: 7.5.516 / Virus Database: 269.21.6/1317 - Release Date: 3/7/2008 8:15 AM> > > > > > > > > > "There are souls in this world that have the gift of finding joy everywhere and of leaving it behind them when they go"> Frederick Faber>Jackie