Re: paranoia?

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> The language people speak in my country is portuguese,

Marilia, I used to work for a Brazilian doctor here in the U.S. He was

always speaking English to us employees, but at times I could hear him

speaking Portuguese to his family or friends. I think it is so

interesting. I have a friend who speaks eight languages, and he says

Portuguese is one of his favorites. One thing I learned about

Portuguese from working for this doctor is that the " J " in Portuguese

is pronounced more like the French " J " and not with an " H " sound as it

is in Spanish.

My husband speaks French (his mother was from France). As you can

probably tell, language is a " special interest " of mine.

[Guest guest]

> Apologies for my ignorance.

>

>

No reason for apologies.

Well, since we are talking about languages, I was reading Jim Sinclair

this morning on an interview to a brazilian paper about Asperger. He

says he doesn´t find respectful to aspies the idea to make them be

submitted to therapies to learn social skils to make them similar to,

or to simulate the neurotypicals. He says neurotypicals should learn

also how to communicate with aspergians: " it is the same as refusing to

talk to you unless you (the brazilian who made the interview) spoke the

same english spoken by people who were born in a english speaking

territory. You should then, have the same accent, same fluency, etc.

Othwerwise I would not reply to your questions. Worse: you should also

never speak portuguese ever again and not relate to portuguese speaking

folks.And should feel portuguese is an inferior language and also that

it is very embarassing to get caught speaking portuguese and your life

is miserable and empty unless you switch to english. This is what nt

try to do when they teach social skills to an aspie " ...

Marilia

[Guest guest]

Nice to hear your interests on languages.

Do you do remember whether he was from Portugal or Brazil? Because

they have some differences. I find brazilian portuguese sweeter than

the one in Portugal, and believe most people who do not speak

portuguese think that way too.

Poeple from Portugal are also very literal. One doc said aspergian

should feel more confortable living there than in Brazil. Like, if

you ask someone in Brazil, like, a taxi driver, 'can you take me to

the airport?', he will say, probably, ok, lets go. Or, ok...do you

want to go now?

If you ask the same question to a portuguese driver, 'can you drive

me to the airport?' he will simply reply yes or no.

He will not understand that you implicitly asked him to be taken to

the airport.

(Well, still on folks and literality, I also heard it is more

confotable to an aspie to live in England than in not so uptight

cultures because people say exactly what they mean. Like, if they

invite you to a party they will tell you the time the party starts

and the time it is supposed to end. Here if people invite you to go

to a party at 8 pm you should understand you are supposed to arrive

around 9:30 or ten and you will have to have a feeling on when it is

apropriate to leave...and things like that.)

Yes, the j in portuguese is the same as in french.

Our rr can be like spanish js.

Spanish speaking folks they do talk only 5 vowels. The o, for

instance, is the same way as o in 'over', in english. In portuguese

we also have the o like the o in 'hobby'. But in spanish there is

only one o and even though they live in diferent places that do speak

the two os they do not hear them and could not reproduce them.

It is interesting that not just they do not talk the two oos, but

they cannot recognize them. Once I was telling them that grandma in

portuguese is 'avó'-o like hobby, and grandpa is 'avo'. Of course

anyone in France or US would HEAR the difference. But they cannot

since they do not use it. Amazing. When Brazil was in war with

Paraguay many years in the past there were many paraguayans who were

here pretending they were brazilians. They did speak good portuguese,

etc...but one general asked the soldiers to repeat a sentence: passar

no poço eu nao posso. The first poço is pronounced exactly like

posso, except by the os. The first is like in over and the second

like in hobby. He could realize which were fake brazilians doing this

test. Haha, maybe it is a joke, but people can hear and speak just

one o if they spoke spanish all their lives.

I had a french teacher from Ecuador, when I lived there, and the way

he pronounced je and j´ai were the same...same sound, but he made a

different mouth. I mean, he noticed visually the mouth, the lips,

were a bit different whether you said le or les, je and j´ai, but he

could not perceive the sound.

They also do not hear the differences entre b andv. My kid was in

school and had dictate-is it the word when the teacher reads and you

are supposed to write what she is saying?-and the word 'vivir' in

spanish sometimes is pronounced BY THEM with b and sometimes with

v...for them it is the same. My kid heard clearly bibir and wrote

bibir...but all the locals knew that even when the teacher pronounces

with b is written with v. In my french class everyone were spanish

spoken folks, and the first would say: Je habite a Quito, the second

would say je havite, the third habite. No one noticed what they were

doing. Then I said: one is saying havite, the other habite...the

teacher pointed: Marilia has an axcelent ear!!! Haha, but anyone in

US or France would notice because for some of us the two letters are

so different!!!

In a restaurant once I freaked: in the same menu the first was

cebiche, the second was ceviche and the famous french dessert

bavaroise was written vabaroise. Amazing!

Well, on the same token I cannot notice the difference in the many o

with interesting figures over it you find in hungarian or swedish

languages. haha

Marilia

> >

> > The language people speak in my country is portuguese,

>

> Marilia, I used to work for a Brazilian doctor here in the U.S. He

was

> always speaking English to us employees, but at times I could hear

him

> speaking Portuguese to his family or friends. I think it is so

> interesting. I have a friend who speaks eight languages, and he

says

> Portuguese is one of his favorites. One thing I learned about

> Portuguese from working for this doctor is that the " J " in

Portuguese

> is pronounced more like the French " J " and not with an " H " sound as

it

> is in Spanish.

>

> My husband speaks French (his mother was from France). As you can

> probably tell, language is a " special interest " of mine.

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

I think Sinclair meant by his comments an analogy meant for the NTs

(*resists Micro$oft joke*) to understand. I know an aspie who knows at

least ten languages including Basque and another language she made

herself.

[Guest guest]

Yes, that was exactly what Sinclari did. At least I understood that

way. And I liked the metaphor.

Loved the way he defined nts.

Do you know it?

More or less like this: neurotypical sindrome is characterized by a

neurobiological disorder that makes people preocupied with social

stuff, cannot stand being alone, suffer of superiority dellusions, and

obsessions with conformity. Frequently they assume their world

experience is the only one there is or the only correct one. They find

difficult being alone and they are intolerant to differences.

Haha

Marilia

>

> I think Sinclair meant by his comments an analogy meant for the NTs

> (*resists Micro$oft joke*) to understand. I know an aspie who knows at

> least ten languages including Basque and another language she made

> herself.

>

[Guest guest]

I can't take cough medicines for much the same reason. The last time I took a full doze, I had heart palpitations, very fast pulse and other unpleasant side effects. I did take some after that, but small doses. There was some reaction to that, but not as bad, but then it didn't work too well either, but it was enough to take the edge off the congestion.

Aspirin is one of the few things I don't seem to have reactions to.

I too cannot take pain killers (vicadin) some anti-inflamitories give me heart palpitations. I am better off with aleve than asprin. In any case most meds good for other hospitalize me. For the most part I avoid all meds and seek out, whenever possible another alternative.Wondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

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> I can't take cough medicines for much the same reason. The last

time I took

> a full doze, I had heart palpitations, very fast pulse and other

unpleasant

> side effects. I did take some after that, but small doses. There

was some

> reaction to that, but not as bad, but then it didn't work too well

either, but it

> was enough to take the edge off the congestion.

>

> Aspirin is one of the few things I don't seem to have reactions to.

>

>

>

>

I can't take cough medicines either (are you allergic, or do you

react to alcohol?) That is why I can't take it, or sometimes the

colorant and often high sugar. I am not sure why I can't take cough

medicine but I have a reaction to many types of alcohol so I thought

those might be the reason. heart palpitation occur with cough meds

for me too. Maybe it is just that a regular amount is too much for

us.

That was the case for me when I was put out for a carpal tunnel

release. (I stayed asleep far longer: 5 hours than I should have) I

was way more dizzy and neausous (I hate dr's) they have always

nearly killed me trying to help

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I don't know if I am allergic to alcohol or not, but it doesn't agree with me. There have been times that I have even gotten sick from food cooked with alcohol. My reaction to the cough medicine could also have been the colorant or all the sugar. I'm not really sure though, just that I avoid the liquid medicines as I can.

Most medicines do cause reactions. I usually have some of the side effects mentioned along with the medicines, so I prefer not to take any at all. Like you say, I used to take an anti-depressant that made me sleep literally 16 or more hours per day. The doctor didn't seem to think that was a problem if you can believe that. So I stopped taking the meds and went to a new doctor. The cholesterol meds all affect my muscles and who knows what else. Sure they lower the levels, but fat lot of good that is if I can't get up out of a chair.

I can't take cough medicines either (are you allergic, or do you react to alcohol?) That is why I can't take it, or sometimes the colorant and often high sugar. I am not sure why I can't take cough medicine but I have a reaction to many types of alcohol so I thought those might be the reason. heart palpitation occur with cough meds for me too. Maybe it is just that a regular amount is too much for us.That was the case for me when I was put out for a carpal tunnel release. (I stayed asleep far longer: 5 hours than I should have) I was way more dizzy and neausous (I hate dr's) they have always nearly killed me trying to helpWondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

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" Most medicines do cause reactions. I usually have some of the side

effects mentioned along with the medicines, so I prefer not to take

any at all. Like you say, I used to take an anti-depressant that made

me sleep literally 16 or more hours per day. The doctor didn't seem

to think that was a problem if you can believe that. So I stopped

taking the meds and went to a new doctor. The cholesterol meds all

affect my muscles and who knows what else. Sure they lower the

levels, but fat lot of good that is if I can't get up out of a chair. "

I have heard this stated over and over and over again by many people

in many different Aspie forums that I frequent. This is why I think

one of the biggest failures of modern medicine is the utter refusal

of doctors to take seriously the fact that medication affects many

autistics differently than it does non-autistics. It seems like you

can bunch up a group of NTs and the meds will affect them similarly,

as per studies. 3% of the population might have side effects, but 97%

do not.

Get a bunch of Aspies together and give them a med and you get all

sorts of negative reactions.

I think half the reson Aspies wind up doped up on so many meds under

the approval of their ignorant parents is because Aspies keep having

bad reactions to most of what they are prescribed and doctors keep

adding prescriptions to offset the bad effects, thereby compounding

the problem exponentially.

I have tried to make this point with parents in other forums, but the

my points either fall on deaf ears, or else they are too dense to

understand the thrust of my argument.

Administrator

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Caffeine is weird with me too. Sometimes I'll drink some coffee and the caffeine will make me sleepy and I'll take a nap. Other times it will make me a bit wired. Soda usually doesn't bother me, but then I have gotten to the point where I only drink it when I mix a shot in a glass of water to make it taste better. (Oddly enough some of my cousins do that too, which I didn't know about until other family saw me do it and mentioned that some other cousins did it too.) Certain powerful drinks like Cappuccino are just out of the question because they make me seriously wired and hyper for a long time and it is very uncomfortable.

In a message dated 5/5/2008 8:13:47 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

Forgot to add what caffiene does for me. I can take it or leave it. I may not drink it for months at a time, or I might have a few glasses of pop for weeks in a row. But I find that whenever I can't get to sleep at night, a quick couple of ounces of cola puts me out in a jiffy. Most people would say I am looking for a "caffiene fix" but I have no craving for a drink of soda when I go without it, or chocolate, or anything else that has caffiene in it, and I am not a coffee drinker either.AdministratorWondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

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I used to be a very fast metabolizer and just couldn't put on weight until I was about 28 or so. It seems to have slowed down some since then.

Like you say, if I get a bad headache or one of the several times per year Migraine, a plain aspirin or two and a nap in a quiet place usually does the trick.

In a message dated 5/5/2008 8:10:39 P.M. Eastern Daylight Time, no_reply writes:

You will find that most of us here have intolerances to certain meds, allegeric reactions to certain meds, or the meds may not function properly with us, or they may perform functions other than what they are known to be effective for. (Raven uses Aspirin as sleeping pills. I use them to cure blinding migraines almost instantaneously. All the ibuprofins do not work for me at all.) And yes, some of us are slow metabolizers, but I also think some of us are quick metabolizers. In some circumstances, I can be waylaid with a blinding headache that causes me to seek bedrest, and after two aspirin, I am fine in half an hour...and I sleep better for the next few nights also.AdministratorWondering what's for Dinner Tonight? Get new twists on family favorites at AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

WHile I would have to say that AT TIMES medication can be helpful in

treating symptoms associated with autism (severe meltdowns, self-

injurious behaviors, severe anxiety) etc., I'd put a couple of

caveats here:

a) Medication treats symptoms. It doesn't cure the underlying

disorder. Thus, the purpose should only be to help the person get to

the point where they are calm enough to be able to learn other

strategies so that hopefully they can get off the medication

There is no scientfic proof, but my best guess is that people

with AS are genetically predisposed to be " slow metabolizers. " We

know there is such a thing as " slow metabolizers... " it's been proven

in genetic studies...what we don't know is whether there is a llink

to AS. I have noticed, however, that many people with AS/autism do

well on a very low dose of medication...about half that " normally "

prescribed. That suggests the body may not break it up as quickly

and thus it stays active longer. There is no harm to starting on

half-strength medication and SLOWLY building up from there as

needed. There IS harm, however, in making someone too sleepy to be

able to function.

>

> " Most medicines do cause reactions. I usually have some of the side

> effects mentioned along with the medicines, so I prefer not to take

> any at all. Like you say, I used to take an anti-depressant that

made

> me sleep literally 16 or more hours per day. The doctor didn't seem

> to think that was a problem if you can believe that. So I stopped

> taking the meds and went to a new doctor. The cholesterol meds all

> affect my muscles and who knows what else. Sure they lower the

> levels, but fat lot of good that is if I can't get up out of a

chair. "

>

> I have heard this stated over and over and over again by many

people

> in many different Aspie forums that I frequent. This is why I think

> one of the biggest failures of modern medicine is the utter refusal

> of doctors to take seriously the fact that medication affects many

> autistics differently than it does non-autistics. It seems like you

> can bunch up a group of NTs and the meds will affect them

similarly,

> as per studies. 3% of the population might have side effects, but

97%

> do not.

>

> Get a bunch of Aspies together and give them a med and you get all

> sorts of negative reactions.

>

> I think half the reson Aspies wind up doped up on so many meds

under

> the approval of their ignorant parents is because Aspies keep

having

> bad reactions to most of what they are prescribed and doctors keep

> adding prescriptions to offset the bad effects, thereby compounding

> the problem exponentially.

>

> I have tried to make this point with parents in other forums, but

the

> my points either fall on deaf ears, or else they are too dense to

> understand the thrust of my argument.

>

>

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

" There is no scientfic proof, but my best guess is that people

with AS are genetically predisposed to be " slow metabolizers. "

You will find that most of us here have intolerances to certain meds,

allegeric reactions to certain meds, or the meds may not function

properly with us, or they may perform functions other than what they

are known to be effective for. (Raven uses Aspirin as sleeping pills. I

use them to cure blinding migraines almost instantaneously. All the

ibuprofins do not work for me at all.)

And yes, some of us are slow metabolizers, but I also think some of us

are quick metabolizers. In some circumstances, I can be waylaid with a

blinding headache that causes me to seek bedrest, and after two

aspirin, I am fine in half an hour...and I sleep better for the next

few nights also.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Forgot to add what caffiene does for me.

I can take it or leave it. I may not drink it for months at a time,

or I might have a few glasses of pop for weeks in a row. But I find

that whenever I can't get to sleep at night, a quick couple of ounces

of cola puts me out in a jiffy. Most people would say I am looking

for a " caffiene fix " but I have no craving for a drink of soda when I

go without it, or chocolate, or anything else that has caffiene in

it, and I am not a coffee drinker either.

Administrator

" There is no scientfic proof, but my best guess is that people

with AS are genetically predisposed to be " slow metabolizers. "

You will find that most of us here have intolerances to certain meds,

allegeric reactions to certain meds, or the meds may not function

properly with us, or they may perform functions other than what they

are known to be effective for. (Raven uses Aspirin as sleeping pills.

I

use them to cure blinding migraines almost instantaneously. All the

ibuprofins do not work for me at all.)

And yes, some of us are slow metabolizers, but I also think some of us

are quick metabolizers. In some circumstances, I can be waylaid with a

blinding headache that causes me to seek bedrest, and after two

aspirin, I am fine in half an hour...and I sleep better for the next

few nights also.

Administrator

[Guest guest]

Interesting that Raven finds that aspirin acts as a sleeping pill.

My daughter (undiagnosed AS) has always become extremely hyperactive

if she takes tylenol. One time the doctor gave her something for

pain and she called me talking a mile a minute. I knew automatically

that whatever he gave her had acetaminophen in it...and sure enough

it did.

>

> " There is no scientfic proof, but my best guess is that people

> with AS are genetically predisposed to be " slow metabolizers. "

>

> You will find that most of us here have intolerances to certain

meds,

> allegeric reactions to certain meds, or the meds may not function

> properly with us, or they may perform functions other than what they

> are known to be effective for. (Raven uses Aspirin as sleeping

pills.

> I

> use them to cure blinding migraines almost instantaneously. All the

> ibuprofins do not work for me at all.)

>

> And yes, some of us are slow metabolizers, but I also think some of

us

> are quick metabolizers. In some circumstances, I can be waylaid

with a

> blinding headache that causes me to seek bedrest, and after two

> aspirin, I am fine in half an hour...and I sleep better for the next

> few nights also.

>

>

> Administrator

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