Re: Help we need another chickenpox vaccine I am freaking out!!!!!!

[Guest guest]

I agree and disagree. I agree that the vaccine should be

avoided. I do not agree that we should just forget about chicken pox

in general though. Adults can have major secondary infection

problems if they didn't have chicken pox as children and contract the

virus as an adult, particularly pregnant women.

I made the mistake of vaccinating my dds when they were little when

the vaccine was new. They still contracted the virus and then

exposed my dh who had never had them before. He was very, very ill

with secondary infections of bronchitis, sinusitis, and ear

infections. The blisters were EVERYWHERE and they got infected even

though he was on antibiotics and they were extremely painful. He

looked monstrous. I actually had to help him drain the thousands of

blisters on his face and head. You aren't supposed to do that, but I

was extremely careful and hygenic about it. We know that we saved

him from serious scarring by doing that because they first couple

that burst open on their own before I carefully drained the rest,

left large scars. Fortunately he did not get pneumonia.

If I were to do it over, I would not vaccinate for it. I would try

VERY hard to expose my kids while they were little (but not while an

infant.) If I couldn't get them exposed while very young, I might

consider advising them to get the vaccine as a young adult -

particularly a dd BEFORE she was interested in childbearing.

>

> Just forget about chicken pox, don't get vaccinated and don " t go

to

> chicken pox parties. you cannot get shingles if you don " t get

chicken

> pox. So if you don't touch this virus in the first place you are

> maximising your chances of not getting in trouble. It is just and

> just a question a making money for manufacturers. Our continent

does

> not use this vaccine and does not consider chicken pox as a

serious

> matter (I do because my kid is on the spectrum, got it and still

has

> to fight it because his immune system is low but vaccines would

have

> added a lot more burden than that)

>

> Senta

[Guest guest]

Forgot to say - I would NOT expose a child who was already immune-

compromised to chicken pox!!

> >

> > Just forget about chicken pox, don't get vaccinated and don " t go

> to

> > chicken pox parties. you cannot get shingles if you don " t get

> chicken

> > pox. So if you don't touch this virus in the first place you

are

> > maximising your chances of not getting in trouble. It is just

and

> > just a question a making money for manufacturers. Our continent

> does

> > not use this vaccine and does not consider chicken pox as a

> serious

> > matter (I do because my kid is on the spectrum, got it and still

> has

> > to fight it because his immune system is low but vaccines would

> have

> > added a lot more burden than that)

> >

> > Senta

>

[Guest guest]

Many parents don't know about the following information. I don't know if it can

help

you,as I don't know your religious beliefs. Had I known this, my children would

not have

gotten any of those vaccinations. Hope this might help you.

The Campaign for Ethical Vaccines (US Information)

Introduction

As British parents strongly opposed to abortion my husband and I were very

concerned to

learn that many childhood vaccines are manufactured from the cell lines of

aborted

babies. For general information on the use of fetal tissue in vaccine

manufacture, British

and International information, see Alternatives to vaccines made from aborted

babies .

We have also had an increasing number of queries from other parts of the world,

in

particular from the USA, and as a result I have prepared this page of

information for US

readers. For more information and to join the campaign to make ethical vaccines

available

in the US please go to www.cogforlife.org

Vaccines made from fetal cell lines commonly used in the US and licensed by the

FDA

Disease Brand name Manufacturer Cell lines (Human fetal)

Polio Poliovax (polio-E-IPV) Pasteur Merieux Conaught Labs USA MRC5

Measles, mumps, rubella MMR II Merck Sharp & Dohme WI-38

Rabies Imovax HDCV

DCO Pasteur Merieux Connaught

Pasteur Merieux Conaught MRC5

?

Hepatitis A Havarix

VAQTA kline Beecham

MSD MRC5

MRC5

Chickenpox Varivax MSD WI-38

Alternatives

The following vaccines do not use fetal cell lines. L= licensed by FDA UL= not

licensed by

FDA (I do not know if it is possible to obtain unlicensed vaccines in the US.

Please E-mail

me if you know about this. Also please let me know if there are any more

suitable

alternatives and any import companies able to supply them.)

Disease Brand name Company Cell line

Polio IPOL (L)

Orimune (L) Pasteur-Merieux Connaught

Lerderle Labs Monkey kidney & calf serum

Monkey Kidney cells

Mumps Mumpsvax (L) Provaccine, Switzerland

Merck Sharpe & Dohme USA Chick embryo

Measles Attenuvax (L) Merck sharpe & Dohme USA

Rubella Takahashi Strain (UL) Kitasato Institute Rabbit Kidney

Rabies (RVA )(L)

RabAvert (PECE) (L) kline -Beecham

Chirion Bering Gmbl & Co Rhesus Monkey

Chick embryo

Hepatitis A Aimmugen (UL) Chemo-therapeutic Institute Japan (Kaketsuken) Monkey

Kidney

Flu All brands (L) All manufacturers Chick embryos

Yellow Fever YF-Vax (17D) (L) Pasteur Merieux Connaught Chick embryo

Japanese Encephalitis JE-Vax (L) Biken Osaka, Distributed by Connaught Mouse

derived

Smallpox (L) Supplied by CDC

For Laboratory Workers and Military Calf Lymph

The following diseases are bacterial and are made on nutrient solutions and not

on living

cells . As no fetal cells are used there is no ethical problem from a prolife

point of veiw .(

Whether all vaccines required for school entry are medically advisable is

debatable and not

an issue I am covering in this site)

Whooping cough,tetanus,diptheria , bacterial meningitis, typhoid, tuberculosis

and

anthrax.

Influenza vaccines are usually made on chicken cells although this is a viral

disease.Hepatitis B

is grown on yeast cells..

[Guest guest]

My son had one of the worst cases of chicken pox the hospital he went to had ever seen when he was young.  He had to be hospitalized and at one point they were seriously concerned that he might not make it.  He had pox blisters *inside* his body.  So although very rare, chicken pox can be pretty dangerous.  But so can the flu so I'm not trying to encourage anyone to get the vax, just to know that although generally, it's a harmless disease, it can get serious.Cheryl I agree and disagree. I agree that the vaccine should be avoided. I do not agree that we should just forget about chicken pox in general though. Adults can have major secondary infection problems if they didn't have chicken pox as children and contract the virus as an adult, particularly pregnant women. I made the mistake of vaccinating my dds when they were little when the vaccine was new. They still contracted the virus and then exposed my dh who had never had them before. He was very, very ill with secondary infections of bronchitis, sinusitis, and ear infections. The blisters were EVERYWHERE and they got infected even though he was on antibiotics and they were extremely painful. He looked monstrous. I actually had to help him drain the thousands of blisters on his face and head. You aren't supposed to do that, but I was extremely careful and hygenic about it. We know that we saved him from serious scarring by doing that because they first couple that burst open on their own before I carefully drained the rest, left large scars. Fortunately he did not get pneumonia. If I were to do it over, I would not vaccinate for it. I would try VERY hard to expose my kids while they were little (but not while an infant.) If I couldn't get them exposed while very young, I might consider advising them to get the vaccine as a young adult - particularly a dd BEFORE she was interested in childbearing. > > Just forget about chicken pox, don't get vaccinated and don"t go to > chicken pox parties. you cannot get shingles if you don"t get chicken > pox. So if you don't touch this virus in the first place you are > maximising your chances of not getting in trouble. It is just and > just a question a making money for manufacturers. Our continent does > not use this vaccine and does not consider chicken pox as a serious > matter (I do because my kid is on the spectrum, got it and still has > to fight it because his immune system is low but vaccines would have > added a lot more burden than that) > > Senta