Re: Students urged to stand up to bullies

[Guest guest]

" Not only that, but people with little or no education invariably

repeat history ad-nauseam because they don't know that everything has

been done before, likely at least a badly as they're going to do it:

how many countries with a higher level of education do you see that

suffer constant revolution, compared to those that have lower levels of

education? "

The only country with a level of education that seems to have constant

shifts in government is Italy.

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[Guest guest]

" I know, but what about autistics that are used by NT's for

entertainment. There is a real need to protect people on the spectrum

from awareness abuse. "

Well, autistics need to stick up for other autistics. As long as most

autistics feel comfortable in their own little bubbles with no desire

to reach out and help someone, those who are bullied are going to keep

getting bullied.

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[Guest guest]

" I know, but what about autistics that are used by NT's

for

> entertainment. There is a real need to protect people on the

spectrum

> from awareness abuse.

>

> http://wbztv.com/local/brookline.school.van.2.722802.html ...

> <snip> ... "

>

> Maybe I'm not understanding well, mimi. It wasn't awareness that

led

> to this rape but rather it was the act of an opportunist who saw a

> vulnerable child. Such monsters do not act becuase they become

more

> aware of the deficits of a certain difference but rather act

because

> they believe they will get away with it.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

yes i meant the child's lack of awareness so the need for their

protection. the child in question may not have understood what

happened (even more than NT's don't) as the act is a violation of

humanness. I mean How do we protect these vunerable children from

the monsters, when the monsters are everywhere(school, bus,streets)

the places they are supposed to be the most safe are the places they

are violated. Sigh

[Guest guest]

>

> If people were aware of the US space program and how things went (part

of history that's

> before many on this list were born, though during the lifetime of

many) you'd recognize

> the phrase outside of a fictional movie context and realize the

historical background. Of

> course, if you're all for no " compulsory education " chances are you'll

never bother to take

> a course that leads to such knowledge

Now I have been enlightened. No doubt those guys had to have had some

very intense moments to think up such articulate phrases.

Kim

[Guest guest]

> Yep! Along with the podcasts that mentioned, here's how I

put

> bullying into a more positive light.

>

> 1. I learned how to size up most of my competitors in the music

> business based on profiling them against the bullies I endured

while

> attending school. I find that even after all this time of being

out

> of school, I am almost always correct on identifying who will be

the

> bullies in the group thereby allowing me time to either circumvent

> these bullies or load up on protection (factual information, never

> alone with the bully, etc.).

>

> 2. I can size up an entire crowd knowing how to diffuse

> aggressiveness in the crowd by way of comments, music choices,

> and 'spotlighting.' Bullies hate being 'spotlighted' unless they

> control the 'spotlighting' and so, when exposed publicly in a way

> that cannot come back on the one doing the 'spotlighting' these

> bullies skulk away.

>

> 3. When I run into a professional who is a bully, I do a cost-

> benefit analysis of the professional. In other words, I determine

> whether his or her services are essential and if they are

essential,

> then I tap a third-party individual as a reliable, confidential go-

> between for information exchanges.

>

> That's just three more instances where I used bullying from my past

> (the education and experience were invaluable in a terrible way, I

> can assure you) for something that is now a sort of positive.

>

> Raven

> Co-Administrator

>

snip> that was some useful stuff (I think those approaches could

work for anyone:

1)Idenify the bully

2)never be alone with them and be sure of yourself and your

information

3)honestly conclude if they need to be " in your world " or if you can

avoid it

cool thanks

[Guest guest]

>

> All criminals are opportunists. They look for weak people that will

put up

> minimal resistance. This could indeed be a negative side of Autism

awareness

> because it reveals new targets for the bad guys. Criminals also

usually think

> that they will get away with it. Depending on the location, they

could be

> right.

snip>

oh the criminals are right, many times the bus driver either allows

abuse, leaves the child in the vehicle, or is the perpitrator of

abuse (sexual or violent) Bussing is way expensive (especially for

an out of district placement and schools scramble to find cost

solutions) But I have heard(from the parents involved) dozens of

instances of abuse from school travel

It is a crazy world, where going to school is a danger. (often the

children that are targeted are non-verbal) Those children develop

a " behavioral " issue. the child then gets punised for the behavior,

meanwhile it goes unnoticed that any abuse has happened, until the

monster gets sloppy because they have gotten away so easily. I hear

this type of story 4 to 5 times a year and I don't get out much(and

that is just this area of my state) Nice huh

[Guest guest]

Well, I have known many girls and women like that. Not only that, but the real life crime shows are full of them, too: as victims. I knew one girl who went out of state with her boyfriend, but while at a party, decided that he was boring and left with three men she just met at that party. It should come as no surprise whatsoever that when they got to the other house, she found out SHE was the party. Of course, she then dumped her boyfriend because he didn't stop her, when they had all but punched him in the face to leave with those "cool" guys. One that I dated briefly ages ago chose instead a macho party guy. She actually called me from the hospital crying after he beat the daylights out of her in a drunken rage.

Anyway, it is really annoying to so the Captain Charisma party boys surrounded by the women and girls. I just think about those crime shows and the girls I mentioned, and others, and then I don't feel quite so bad.

Well, strict, I have known a few acquaintances who are terribly attracted to those types because they are so 'exciting.' Uh ... ok. <Raven rolls her eyes and chuckles.>If {the blue screen of] death is exciting, then I suppose I can see why some would go for that unstable, not-feature-complete sort of boyfriend/girlfriend. Thank goodness I'm not one of those sorts! :-DRavenCo-AdministratorGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

The less verbal ones make the best targets. One the one hand they would be less likely to report the incident, and on the other, it is a challenge to see how far they have to push to get a reaction. But really its a bad situation because if they ignore the torment, it just goes on longer and if they fight back not only do they get in trouble with the school, but they get worse treatment later. It the blow up really easily, then THEY end up being the one called the bully.

It is a "nice" situation.

It is a crazy world, where going to school is a danger. (often the children that are targeted are non-verbal) Those children develop a "behavioral" issue. the child then gets punised for the behavior, meanwhile it goes unnoticed that any abuse has happened, until the monster gets sloppy because they have gotten away so easily. I hear this type of story 4 to 5 times a year and I don't get out much(and that is just this area of my state) Nice huhGet trade secrets for amazing burgers. Watch "Cooking with Tyler Florence" on AOL Food.

[Guest guest]

strictnon_conformist wrote: " If you compare alpha (fe)males in terms

of naming to how software is typically named, I ask this question: Who

wants someone that's unstable and not feature-complete? "

Well, strict, I have known a few acquaintances who are terribly

attracted to those types because they are so 'exciting.' Uh ... ok.

<Raven rolls her eyes and chuckles.>

If {the blue screen of] death is exciting, then I suppose I can see why

some would go for that unstable, not-feature-complete sort of

boyfriend/girlfriend.

Thank goodness I'm not one of those sorts! :-D

Raven

Co-Administrator

[Guest guest]

We may disagree, we may not. Okay, here goes. Just like it's

important to teach a child the difference between good touch and bad

touch, it might be helpful to teach a young person the difference

between good joking (teasing, ribbing) and bad joking. And I say

this even though I sometimes have a hard time following the light,

hard-to-tell-if-the-person-is-serious-or-not type of conversation

often called " small talk. " Often, I have a hard time understanding

the point of it. I want to go ahead and get to the more interesting

topics, etc.

-Doug

>

> " Sometimes it's not too serious and the response can be

> giving advice to the child (or asking the child questions and

> coaching the child in a matter-of-fact way, helping the child

> discover his or her own solution). "

>

> I think if the child could discover his or her own solution, the

child

> would not be bullied. Those who are persistently bullied are

bullied

> because they know of no way to stop it. Aside from that, no

bullying

> ought to be permitted to any degree by anyone.

>

>

> Administrator

>

[Guest guest]

>

> If you compare alpha (fe)males in terms of naming to how software is

typically named, I

> ask this question:

>

> Who wants someone that's unstable and not feature-complete?

>

well I would say no one can say they are feature complete dx or not,

and unlike programs I cannot patch, or rewrite my Architecture to

impress my mate. So I am going to say sometimes my system freezes and

my hard and software will become outdated

[Guest guest]

" Okay, here goes. Just like it's important to teach a child the

difference between good touch and bad touch, it might be helpful to

teach a young person the difference between good joking (teasing,

ribbing) and bad joking. "

That may not always work with Aspies and other individuals that have a

hard time understanding social nuances. Aspies seem unable to

extrapolate or compare/contrast one situation to another sometimes. But

it is a good idea.

Another idea would be a reversion to the more formal language and

manner of speaking in the past where such joking and teasing were

considered lower class.

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