Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Thanks i sometimes think my husband and children don't understand. I know they get tired of me asking them to do things for me. My husband says all you do is sit around and mope. I am doing the best I can. I go to work and don't take pain meds while at work but by time I get home , the first thing I do is take meds. Then the meds make me sick to my stomach and irritable . It is a viscous cylce. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted December 28, 2002 Report Share Posted December 28, 2002 Thanks jamie Some days are better than others, i am sure you understand. Today , I have been in a lot of pain, but I was out yesterday to two differnet doc's and 1 other appointment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 16, 2004 Report Share Posted January 16, 2004 I think it's the best money i ever spent. I do recall wishing it had been a smaller group when i went a year ago, but there was a ratio of 1 to 3 of very caring staff people to participants and the room was set up in such a way that felt very comfortable. I sat pretty close to the front so as not to miss anything The exercises were very good in helping me go inside and lots of core beliefs came right up. That was hard, having those staring me right in the face with seemingly no place to go to hide (though of course i could have left any time), but The School is a wonderful place to be when hard beliefs surface. As i said in a post recently, even now, a year later, the school and what i experienced there comes back to me often... You will do whatever is best for you, Harry, and whatever it is will be perfect, going or not going, but if you are feeling a pull and the opportunity is there for you... well, if it were me, i would. Love, Heidi > > Hi to all of you. I am new to 's work and to this group. I > appreciate all of the wonderfully insightful thinking that I have > encountered here and look forward to hearing much more of what you > all have to say. It seems a very astute and caring group. > > I am hopeful some of you can give me some feedback on the " school " . > Although I have not actually done much of the " work " and then only > in my head, there really does seem to be something to it. Enough > that I am actually considering attending the school in MArch. I am > reaching a point of desperation in my life and though I am afraid > of " wasting " such a huge sum of money and/or of getting ripped off, > something is compelling me to take the plunge. Any thoughts from > those who have attended would be much appreciated. It is hard for me > to believe that one week in such a large group could possibly be that > worthwhile. Still.... Thank you....Harry Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Hi Janey It takes courage to admit a relationship is in trouble. You are in the right place. All I would say is that love, the love that cements a relationship is not a feeling. It is a commitment. Falling in love has everything to do with our feelings and the result of this magnificent 'out of self' experience is that we loose our boundaries - which is why it is so easy to be 'together' in all the ways our imagination can lead us. It is not a natural state of affairs in the human psyche and boundaries snap back - the resulting loss of deep feelings comes with that and the work of really trying to love begins. It is the thoughts behind these 'no feelings of love' that need to be enquired into. Easy for me to say but so hard to do! Loving what is Rosemary New Member Hi, Everyone: I've just joined the group and wanted to introduce myself. My name is Janey and I'm a new student of The Work. The reason I'm here is to learn about inquiry more so that I can do it effectively on my beliefs about my husband and our marriage. We're getting ready to go into Round 3 of marital counselling (after 6 years of marriage), and if that and The Work can't assist me in having loving feelings for him again, I'm filing for divorce. I've never actually done an inquiry, so I'm not sure if it will lead me to a place inside myself where I feel 'love' for him....those feelings have been gone for many years. But what I do know so far, with the issues I have at least applied some of the questions to, is that whichever way this goes, I will be at peace and in the right place. Thanks for the opportunity to watch and learn, and I appreciate any feedback from the group as I begin my process. Sincerely, Janey ------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Welcome, Janey. Do you have the book, Loving What Is, by Byron Kathleen ? It's the basic resource for doing The Work, so I'd highly recommend reading it and keeping a copy handy. The Judge Your Neighbor worksheet is the usual starting point for inquiry. It's in the book and also available for download from the Files section of this group (http://health.groups.yahoo.com/group/Loving-what-is/files) and from the BKI website (http://www.thework.org). Also in the Files section, there are self facilitation worksheets for applying the four questions to the judgements identified in your JYN worksheet. A number of members of the group do facilitation by telephone and in some urban areas, there are groups of folks meeting to facilitate one another in their inquiry. Some of these groups are listed at the BKI website (see above). I'm glad you're here. Tom On Sat, Jan 31, 2004 at 03:03:31AM -0000, uncommon_grace wrote: > Hi, Everyone: > > I've just joined the group and wanted to introduce myself. My name > is Janey and I'm a new student of The Work. The reason I'm here is > to learn about inquiry more so that I can do it effectively on my > beliefs about my husband and our marriage. We're getting ready to go > into Round 3 of marital counselling (after 6 years of marriage), and > if that and The Work can't assist me in having loving feelings for > him again, I'm filing for divorce. > > I've never actually done an inquiry, so I'm not sure if it will lead > me to a place inside myself where I feel 'love' for him....those > feelings have been gone for many years. But what I do know so far, > with the issues I have at least applied some of the questions to, is > that whichever way this goes, I will be at peace and in the right > place. > > Thanks for the opportunity to watch and learn, and I appreciate any > feedback from the group as I begin my process. > > Sincerely, > Janey Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted January 31, 2004 Report Share Posted January 31, 2004 Dear Jensangel, Welcome to the group. I look forward to sharing with you! Blessings, Steve D. > Hi, > > I am a new member and just recently read, " Loving What Is. " I > started on the worksheets and inquiry process this past week. > Anyway,I just wanted to introduce myself. > Thank you. Jensangel Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the worksheet and then we can begin from there. - New Member Hi! I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! Kathleen _____ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' cause they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a change in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late in life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the museum because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , it was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' s back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job of the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . > How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the > worksheet and then we can begin from there. - > > > > New Member > > > > Hi! > I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I > need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I > think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as > well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction > with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so > predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter > crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it > wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing > which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas > out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to > pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! > Kathleen > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I work long, hectic hours and it's often too difficult to do the worksheets just when I need them the most. I devised a shortcut--when someone does something that irritates me, I quickly ask myself, " When did I do a similar thing? " I can always find an example! I've found it immediately takes the sting out of the situation for me, allowing me to respond with more compassion and openness. Eddie > >Reply-To: Loving-what-is >To: Loving-what-is >Subject: New Member >Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:41:56 -0000 > >Hi! >I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >Kathleen > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 How perfect Eddie........ Can you imagine having a " tirade " and then saying " Oh excuse me, wait there a bit while I do a worksheet " . I found the image of this quite funny. Your suggestion is a good one. My " quick fix " is sometimes to go straight to the turnaround but it doesn't always cut it for me. I'll try your suggestion the next time. Thanks Doreen Eddie Katz wrote: I work long, hectic hours and it's often too difficult to do the worksheets just when I need them the most. I devised a shortcut--when someone does something that irritates me, I quickly ask myself, " When did I do a similar thing? " I can always find an example! I've found it immediately takes the sting out of the situation for me, allowing me to respond with more compassion and openness. Eddie > >Reply-To: Loving-what-is >To: Loving-what-is >Subject: New Member >Date: Tue, 03 Feb 2004 07:41:56 -0000 > >Hi! >I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >Kathleen > > _________________________________________________________________ Check out the coupons and bargains on MSN Offers! http://shopping.msn.com/softcontent/softcontent.aspx?scmId=1418 --------------------------------- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Hi " Lost in La Mancha " Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no matter what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to occupational hazard would be your story. Doreen lost in la mancha wrote: A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' cause they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a change in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late in life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the museum because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , it was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' s back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job of the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . > How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the > worksheet and then we can begin from there. - > > > > New Member > > > > Hi! > I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I > need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I > think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as > well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction > with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so > predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter > crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it > wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing > which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas > out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to > pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! > Kathleen > > > > > _____ > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries receives a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an integral part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . > Hi " Lost in La Mancha " > > Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested > in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in > a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no matter > what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to > occupational hazard would be your story. > > Doreen > > > > > lost in la mancha wrote: > A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A > woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can > this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' cause > they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no > longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- > workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his > manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a change > in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can > generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a > perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late in > life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the museum > because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , it > was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' s > back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job of > the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the > difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version > might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was > Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . > > >> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >> >> >> >> New Member >> >> >> >> Hi! >> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >> Kathleen >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I think if someone shares their feelings at 3 am it's not about being a woman in the workplace. It's about someone sharing their feelings at 3 am. Nothing more, nothing less. Doreen lost in la mancha wrote: Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries receives a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an integral part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . > Hi " Lost in La Mancha " > > Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested > in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in > a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no matter > what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to > occupational hazard would be your story. > > Doreen > > > > > lost in la mancha wrote: > A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A > woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can > this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' cause > they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no > longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- > workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his > manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a change > in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can > generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a > perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late in > life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the museum > because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , it > was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' s > back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job of > the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the > difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version > might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was > Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . > > >> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >> >> >> >> New Member >> >> >> >> Hi! >> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >> Kathleen >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Sorry, meant to add. I am a Director of Care. The highest position in my job. I supervise nurses, care aides, housekkeping , dietary and more. I certainly share my feelings in an appropriate way (for me) with my employees, the same as I do with my good friends outside work. The result? - Employees know and trust that they always know where they are in their job and in their relationship with me. By the way, I am a woman. ;-) Doreen lost in la mancha wrote: Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries receives a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an integral part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . > Hi " Lost in La Mancha " > > Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested > in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in > a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no matter > what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to > occupational hazard would be your story. > > Doreen > > > > > lost in la mancha wrote: > A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A > woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can > this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' cause > they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no > longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- > workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his > manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a change > in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can > generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a > perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late in > life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the museum > because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , it > was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' s > back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job of > the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the > difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version > might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was > Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . > > >> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >> >> >> >> New Member >> >> >> >> Hi! >> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >> Kathleen >> >> >> >> >> _____ >> >> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 I highly recommend the book God on a Harley ... A woman will never cease to surprise ! > Sorry, meant to add. I am a Director of Care. The highest position > in my job. I supervise nurses, care aides, housekkeping , dietary and > more. I certainly share my feelings in an appropriate way (for me) > with my employees, the same as I do with my good friends outside work. > The result? - Employees know and trust that they always know where > they are in their job and in their relationship with me. By the way, > I am a woman. ;-) > > Doreen > > lost in la mancha wrote: > Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . > It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries receives > a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her > feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break > ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an integral > part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . > And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a > convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . > > >> Hi " Lost in La Mancha " >> >> Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested >> in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in >> a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no matter >> what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to >> occupational hazard would be your story. >> >> Doreen >> >> >> >> >> lost in la mancha wrote: >> A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A >> woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can >> this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' >> cause >> they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no >> longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- >> workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his >> manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a >> change >> in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can >> generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a >> perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late >> in >> life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the >> museum >> because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , >> it >> was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' >> s >> back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job of >> the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the >> difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version >> might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was >> Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . >> >> >>> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >>> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >>> >>> >>> >>> New Member >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi! >>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >>> Kathleen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 Virginia Woolf : Why are women ... so much more interesting to men than men are to women? On Tuesday, February 3, 2004, at 09:04 PM, lost in la mancha wrote: > I highly recommend the book God on a Harley ... A woman will never > cease to surprise ! > > >> Sorry, meant to add. I am a Director of Care. The highest position >> in my job. I supervise nurses, care aides, housekkeping , dietary and >> more. I certainly share my feelings in an appropriate way (for me) >> with my employees, the same as I do with my good friends outside work. >> The result? - Employees know and trust that they always know where >> they are in their job and in their relationship with me. By the way, >> I am a woman. ;-) >> >> Doreen >> >> lost in la mancha wrote: >> Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . >> It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries >> receives >> a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her >> feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break >> ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an >> integral >> part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . >> And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a >> convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . >> >> >>> Hi " Lost in La Mancha " >>> >>> Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested >>> in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood >>> in >>> a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no >>> matter >>> what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to >>> occupational hazard would be your story. >>> >>> Doreen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> lost in la mancha wrote: >>> A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A >>> woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can >>> this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' >>> cause >>> they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no >>> longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- >>> workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his >>> manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a >>> change >>> in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can >>> generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a >>> perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late >>> in >>> life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the >>> museum >>> because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , >>> it >>> was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' >>> s >>> back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job >>> of >>> the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the >>> difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version >>> might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was >>> Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . >>> >>> >>>> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >>>> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New Member >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >>>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >>>> Kathleen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 3, 2004 Report Share Posted February 3, 2004 What is your recommendation of the book? New Member >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi! >>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >>> Kathleen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Hi La Mancha, I'm curious as to whether or not you do " The Work " ? (none of my business I know...still curious) lost in la mancha wrote: I highly recommend the book God on a Harley ... A woman will never cease to surprise ! > Sorry, meant to add. I am a Director of Care. The highest position > in my job. I supervise nurses, care aides, housekkeping , dietary and > more. I certainly share my feelings in an appropriate way (for me) > with my employees, the same as I do with my good friends outside work. > The result? - Employees know and trust that they always know where > they are in their job and in their relationship with me. By the way, > I am a woman. ;-) > > Doreen > > lost in la mancha wrote: > Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . > It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries receives > a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her > feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break > ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an integral > part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . > And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a > convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . > > >> Hi " Lost in La Mancha " >> >> Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested >> in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in >> a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no matter >> what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to >> occupational hazard would be your story. >> >> Doreen >> >> >> >> >> lost in la mancha wrote: >> A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A >> woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can >> this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' >> cause >> they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no >> longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- >> workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his >> manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a >> change >> in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can >> generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a >> perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late >> in >> life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the >> museum >> because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , >> it >> was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' >> s >> back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job of >> the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the >> difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version >> might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was >> Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . >> >> >>> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >>> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >>> >>> >>> >>> New Member >>> >>> >>> >>> Hi! >>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >>> Kathleen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> _____ >>> >>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 It is written with a premise that desire is paradoxically and ultimately Love ' s desire . That is , deep desire is the contingency of God ' s desire of us . It is written by a woman . The heroine is a woman . The heroine is a nurse . I don 't wish to ruin it for you so deliberately I say no more . > What is your recommendation of the book? > New Member >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >>>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >>>> Kathleen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 " curious " ? No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single experiment can prove me wrong. On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 08:41 AM, catherine wrote: > Hi La Mancha, > > I'm curious as to whether or not you do " The Work " ? (none of my > business I know...still curious) > > lost in la mancha wrote: > I highly recommend the book God on a Harley ... A woman will never > cease to surprise ! > > >> Sorry, meant to add. I am a Director of Care. The highest position >> in my job. I supervise nurses, care aides, housekkeping , dietary and >> more. I certainly share my feelings in an appropriate way (for me) >> with my employees, the same as I do with my good friends outside work. >> The result? - Employees know and trust that they always know where >> they are in their job and in their relationship with me. By the way, >> I am a woman. ;-) >> >> Doreen >> >> lost in la mancha wrote: >> Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . >> It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries >> receives >> a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her >> feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break >> ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an >> integral >> part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . >> And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a >> convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . >> >> >>> Hi " Lost in La Mancha " >>> >>> Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested >>> in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood >>> in >>> a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no >>> matter >>> what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to >>> occupational hazard would be your story. >>> >>> Doreen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> lost in la mancha wrote: >>> A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A >>> woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can >>> this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' >>> cause >>> they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no >>> longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- >>> workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his >>> manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a >>> change >>> in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can >>> generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a >>> perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late >>> in >>> life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the >>> museum >>> because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , >>> it >>> was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' >>> s >>> back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job >>> of >>> the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the >>> difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version >>> might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was >>> Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . >>> >>> >>>> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >>>> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New Member >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >>>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >>>> Kathleen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 Begin forwarded message: > > Date: Wed Feb 4, 2004 10:30:27 AM US/Central > To: Loving-what-is > Subject: Re: New Member > > " curious " ? > No amount of experimentation can ever prove me right; a single > experiment can prove me wrong. Albert Einstein . > > On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 08:41 AM, catherine wrote: > >> Hi La Mancha, >> >> I'm curious as to whether or not you do " The Work " ? (none of my >> business I know...still curious) >> >> lost in la mancha wrote: >> I highly recommend the book God on a Harley ... A woman will never >> cease to surprise ! >> >> >>> Sorry, meant to add. I am a Director of Care. The highest position >>> in my job. I supervise nurses, care aides, housekkeping , dietary >>> and >>> more. I certainly share my feelings in an appropriate way (for me) >>> with my employees, the same as I do with my good friends outside >>> work. >>> The result? - Employees know and trust that they always know where >>> they are in their job and in their relationship with me. By the way, >>> I am a woman. ;-) >>> >>> Doreen >>> >>> lost in la mancha wrote: >>> Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . >>> It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries >>> receives >>> a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her >>> feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break >>> ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an >>> integral >>> part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . >>> And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a >>> convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . >>> >>> >>>> Hi " Lost in La Mancha " >>>> >>>> Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested >>>> in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood >>>> in >>>> a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no >>>> matter >>>> what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to >>>> occupational hazard would be your story. >>>> >>>> Doreen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> lost in la mancha wrote: >>>> A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A >>>> woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How >>>> can >>>> this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' >>>> cause >>>> they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no >>>> longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman >>>> co- >>>> workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his >>>> manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a >>>> change >>>> in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can >>>> generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a >>>> perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late >>>> in >>>> life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the >>>> museum >>>> because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , >>>> it >>>> was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse >>>> ' >>>> s >>>> back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job >>>> of >>>> the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the >>>> difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s >>>> version >>>> might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was >>>> Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . >>>> >>>> >>>>> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through >>>>> the >>>>> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> New Member >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> Hi! >>>>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>>>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>>>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>>>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>>>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>>>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like >>>>> utter >>>>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>>>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>>>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>>>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>>>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. >>>>> Thanks! >>>>> Kathleen >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> _____ >>>>> >>>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 4, 2004 Report Share Posted February 4, 2004 I am still curious if i do the work ! Hoorah !... Those who matter don 't mind , those who mind don 't matter ! On Wednesday, February 4, 2004, at 08:41 AM, catherine wrote: > Hi La Mancha, > > I'm curious as to whether or not you do " The Work " ? (none of my > business I know...still curious) > > lost in la mancha wrote: > I highly recommend the book God on a Harley ... A woman will never > cease to surprise ! > > >> Sorry, meant to add. I am a Director of Care. The highest position >> in my job. I supervise nurses, care aides, housekkeping , dietary and >> more. I certainly share my feelings in an appropriate way (for me) >> with my employees, the same as I do with my good friends outside work. >> The result? - Employees know and trust that they always know where >> they are in their job and in their relationship with me. By the way, >> I am a woman. ;-) >> >> Doreen >> >> lost in la mancha wrote: >> Ok ... Secretaries in the office show how they feel to each other . >> It is way to deal with the situation . One of the secretaries >> receives >> a promotion and it is no longer appropriate for her to show her >> feelings ( because she is head of the secretaries over a coffee break >> ( substitute nuns in a convent sangha ? if that helps ) yet an >> integral >> part of a woman working the situation out is to show how she feels . >> And yet paradoxically she shares her feelings at 3 a. m . . If in a >> convent I suppose she would have to go Higher Up . >> >> >>> Hi " Lost in La Mancha " >>> >>> Mainly I have no idea what you are talking about but I am interested >>> in your comment " A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood >>> in >>> a sense " How do you see that happening? A woman is a woman no >>> matter >>> what she does..........A woman renouncing womanhood due to >>> occupational hazard would be your story. >>> >>> Doreen >>> >>> >>> >>> >>> lost in la mancha wrote: >>> A woman who is an executive renouces her womanhood in a sense . A >>> woman problem - solves by communion , showing her feelings . How can >>> this problem - solving ladies ( fairer ) engage in go on when ' >>> cause >>> they are prima donna ( in a literal sense of " valuable " ) it is no >>> longer available to show and share over a coffee break with woman co- >>> workers work related items . At home , the hubbie is true to his >>> manhood and misses the boat plenty . Or a woman may implement a >>> change >>> in domestic life which is laudable over time but in short - term can >>> generate much resistance . I am masculine and my male version of a >>> perplexing and paradoxical situation like this is the tale that late >>> in >>> life Picasso would be escorted out of the Picasso gallery at the >>> museum >>> because he attempted to change an indubitable masterpiece , heck , >>> it >>> was a Picasso . It can be shaken off like a fly shaken off a horse ' >>> s >>> back but of this kind of endeavor no lesser luminaries than the Job >>> of >>> the book of Job and Gospel author ' s have admonished us of the >>> difficulty of a " fly - less " cosmos . And pop culture ' s version >>> might be " got an issue - here is a tissue " . Remember Warhol was >>> Warhola ( pun intended ) prior to pop . >>> >>> >>>> How about picking an employee and starting with them. Go through the >>>> worksheet and then we can begin from there. - >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> New Member >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> Hi! >>>> I just started reading 's website and found it interesting. I >>>> need help coming up with questions around how I treat employees. I >>>> think there are similar things that come up in my relationship as >>>> well. Basically I'm very critical and feel a lot of disatisfaction >>>> with performance etc. When I go off on these " tirades " it's so >>>> predictable, I wake up in the middle of the night feeling like utter >>>> crap. Tonight I woke my husband in a panic wanting comfort and it >>>> wasn't there in the way I needed it, in fact we ended up arguing >>>> which made it all worse. So here I am, 3 am, miserable. Any ideas >>>> out there on how to get started? I'm not sure who in my life to >>>> pick, it seems like I do this with most everyone right now. Thanks! >>>> Kathleen >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> >>>> _____ >>>> >>>> Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted February 16, 2004 Report Share Posted February 16, 2004 Dear Mooroosoo, > I just signed up to be in this group. Welcome. > I have read " The Work " and > found it to be very interesting. I would like to do it, but can't > seem to get started by myself. Is that really true? You started already, didn't you? > I don't seem to be able to focus on > one particular problem to do the work on Focus on the one bothering you right now and start with that. > plus I'm not sure how to > proceed asking myself the questions and then answering myself. Dear Mooroosoo, can that really be true? > Please don't tell me to do this with anyone else, because there is > no one else for me to do it with. Is that really true? once said, take those cards where the 4 questions are written on. Look for a perfect stranger. Ask him if he can read. If his answer is " yes " , hand him over the card and ask him to ask you these questions, no matter what you might say. And tell him that you are confused. There you are. > I found, in the book, that Byron > sometimes asked different questions besides the main four, and I'm > not sure how I should approach this. Don't bother. > Just start with the four and > not worry about the other questions or should I make a list from the > book and use them if I think they are appropriate? Whatever you think will be appropriate. > I've been trying > to look at my life realistically for at least a year now, but after > reading the book I realize I still have " work " to do. Then be welcome. > Can anyone > share their experiences of when they first started and how they got > started? About a year ago I told a friend about problems at work that were bothering me since months and she asked me if I wanted to try something. Then she did the work with me. I was not convinced at all, but bout a book from Moritz Boerner about the work she suggested to me. I read it, and tried it with stories about my wife. I did not stop since. > I would appreciate any hints and/or suggestions. Thanks, > Mooroosoo > Take care, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 10, 2008 Report Share Posted March 10, 2008 Hi Amy... Welcome! And keep following what you know in your heart to be true. More and more docs are getting on board now. I know there are some good ones in Houston, Austin and Lubbock. Glad you're here! Jayden**************It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL Money & Finance. (http://money.aol.com/tax?NCID=aolprf00030000000001) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted March 11, 2008 Report Share Posted March 11, 2008 Welcome Amy! I am in League City. I hope you enjoy the group and we are able to help! -> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups > Date: Mon, 10 Mar 2008 20:49:30 +0000> Subject: New member> > Hello! My name is Amy and I'm 31. I live in Katy, TX with my husband > and 13-year-old son. I found this group in an online search for > thyroid information. I have come to believe that I have an undiagnosed > thyroid condition, and I'm ready to get aggressive about it. I've had > several doctors in the past suspect it, run the tests, and tell me they > are all normal. Yet the symptoms I have sure don't feel "normal"!> > I'm looking forward to being a part of this group, and hoping that > through this I can get to the bottom of what ails me, so to speak!> > > > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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