Introduction

[Guest guest]

Welcome Kimberfree,

I am happy that you could join us. I loved your list of mentors and

they are all you/me, isn't it wonderful?

Those eyes are really something aren't they?

Blessings, Steve D.

> Hi All,

> I'm new here and to The Work. I picked up " Loving What Is " after a

> friend casually mentioned it. It has already changed my life and

> I've only been doing The Work for a week. Tonight Byron is

> visiting our city and I had the opportunity to meet her. I have to

> say that she is one of the most beautiful people I've ever laid

eyes

> on. Her eyes sparkle with pure peace, joy and love.She truly

> radiates and is a living example of what she teaches.What a

blessing

> her message is. She has been added to my list of mentors and those

> that inspire,she's up at the top with Jesus, Buddah, Mother Theresa

> & Gandhi. The Work is so incredibly powerful.

> Peace to All

> Kimberfree

[Guest guest]

Hi . I also have two sons on the spectrum - one much higher functioning

than the other - they are 5 and 7 now and they were 1 1/2 and 3 1/2 when they

were diagnosed. You need to have a good support system - that's the way my

husband and I have made it so far. Start educating family, friends, anyone who

will help you over the next few years as you try to meet both of your kids

needs. It's tough. These listserves will help you out alot as you start to

make your way through therapies, diets, etc... hang in there! (in Katy,

Tx)

Introduction

Hi Everybody,

My name is and I have two sons, Jack(4) and (2).

Jack just started PPCD yesterday. He met the criteria for

autism (PDD) and speech impairment. We have suspected that Jack had

some kind of autism for a long time, but we have gotten a lot of

conflicting opinions from professionals. It has been very confusing.

is in ECI. His social awareness seems better than

Jack's, but his language, interests, and play skills (or lack of them)

seem to be following a similar pattern of development. I am confused

about that too.

They are beautiful, wonderful, happy children and I love them

both for who they are.

I recently join this and several other yahoo groups and feat-

nt. I am glad to finally connect with a group of parents with whom I

can relate. I am sure that you will be helpful to me and maybe I can

occasionally be of help too.

Thanks,

[Guest guest]

What part of Texas are you from?

>

> Hi Everybody,

>

> My name is and I have two sons, Jack(4) and

(2).

> Jack just started PPCD yesterday. He met the criteria for

> autism (PDD) and speech impairment. We have suspected that Jack had

> some kind of autism for a long time, but we have gotten a lot of

> conflicting opinions from professionals. It has been very

confusing.

> is in ECI. His social awareness seems better than

> Jack's, but his language, interests, and play skills (or lack of

them)

> seem to be following a similar pattern of development. I am

confused

> about that too.

> They are beautiful, wonderful, happy children and I love

them

> both for who they are.

> I recently join this and several other yahoo groups and

feat-

> nt. I am glad to finally connect with a group of parents with whom

I

> can relate. I am sure that you will be helpful to me and maybe I

can

> occasionally be of help too.

>

> Thanks,

>

[Guest guest]

We are in the DFW area.

>

> What part of Texas are you from?

>

[Guest guest]

Welcome , I am Ann a new member as well with an 6 year old son with ASD.

Introduction

Hi Everybody,

My name is and I have two sons, Jack(4) and (2).

Jack just started PPCD yesterday. He met the criteria for

autism (PDD) and speech impairment. We have suspected that Jack had

some kind of autism for a long time, but we have gotten a lot of

conflicting opinions from professionals. It has been very confusing.

is in ECI. His social awareness seems better than

Jack's, but his language, interests, and play skills (or lack of them)

seem to be following a similar pattern of development. I am confused

about that too.

They are beautiful, wonderful, happy children and I love them

both for who they are.

I recently join this and several other yahoo groups and feat-

nt. I am glad to finally connect with a group of parents with whom I

can relate. I am sure that you will be helpful to me and maybe I can

occasionally be of help too.

Thanks,

Texas Autism Advocacy

www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

Texas Disability Network

Calendar of Events

www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

[Guest guest]

Hi,

I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning

here.

I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2

years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little

success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone right

now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just

switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat

thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals

first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was

all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased an

old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am going

to try the graph again.

I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal

cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I

went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good

testimonies from his products?

Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat

adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind

driving.

Looking forward to meeting you all,

Tina

[Guest guest]

I'm reading a book written by Dr. Hotze (in Katy) www.drhotze.com. He's

the one I wish I could afford to see. I'm still playing insurance

allowed doctor roulette.

Introduction

Hi,

I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning

here.

I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2

years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little

success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone right

now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just

switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat

thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals

first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was

all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased an

old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am going

to try the graph again.

I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal

cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I

went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good

testimonies from his products?

Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat

adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind

driving.

Looking forward to meeting you all,

Tina

[Guest guest]

Dr. Pucillo in Sugarland trained under Dr. Hotze. One of my

daughters is seeing Pucillo himself right now, although he has a whole host

of doctors and services there in his facility. Her insurance covers a lot,

but not the detox program, and I can't figure out what else was included

within a $1500 fee he charged. This was just for Pucillo's services. Even

the allergy testing she had was almost totally covered by insurance. They

are filing a lot of stuff off the bill (she and her husband) on insurance

for the $1500, and I know that they will get some money back. I'm just

thinking that Pucillo doesn't want to work his buns off to get it paid, and

that's why they don't file that part, or maybe he wants to keep his unique

alternative methods out of insurance merrry go round, who knows. Anyway, he

does test adrenals, deals a lot with thyroid, has both of these himself, and

covers a lot of territory, inlcuding the Vitamin D a whole lot of other

stuff, i.e., thinks out of the box. She saw Zuiberry or whatever her name

is, when she first went, but considering that they found the adrenal

fatigue, and she wanted to talk about bioidentical hormones, they did make

her an appointment with the one who owns the facility, and that would be

Pucillo. It has paid off, so far, and they put her on a little bit of

testosterone, a little biest, and a little progesterone, not huge amts.

Also, they have her on the hydrocortisone, plus they discovered huge

multiple allergies, which they are treating with a homeopathic treatment,

instead of the shots. There's plenty more to come yet, but I'm not privvy

to all of it yet, and some of it hasn't happened yet. We'll see.

RE: Introduction

> I'm reading a book written by Dr. Hotze (in Katy) www.drhotze.com. He's

> the one I wish I could afford to see. I'm still playing insurance

> allowed doctor roulette.

[Guest guest]

Who is your doc prescribing Armour plus HC? It is not too hard to find a doc to Rx Armour, but the HC is nearly impossible. Why are you looking around? Tina Chapek wrote: Hi,I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning here. I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2 years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone right now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the

adrenals first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased an old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am going to try the graph again.I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good testimonies from his products?Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind driving. Looking forward to meeting you all,:)Tina

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[Guest guest]

What doctor are you seeing now that is

prescribing the hydrocortisone? How much are you taking?

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Tina Chapek

Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008

10:59 AM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject:

Introduction

Hi,

I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning

here.

I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2

years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little

success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone right

now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just

switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat

thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals

first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was

all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased an

old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am going

to try the graph again.

I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal

cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I

went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good

testimonies from his products?

Are there any doctors in the Houston

area that know how to treat

adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston

but don't mind

driving.

Looking forward to meeting you all,

Tina

[Guest guest]

It worked out for me to be a lot less

expensive to see Dr in Lubbock.

Hotze will run a lot of tests that he runs

on everyone if you are not very assertive. In the summer of 2006, I was

quoted a minimum price of $3000. There are absolutely no guarantees that

any of it will be covered by insurance.

Kim in No Texas

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Your Web Developer

Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008

12:02 PM

To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject: RE:

Introduction

I'm reading a book written by Dr. Hotze (in Katy)

www.drhotze.com. He's

the one I wish I could afford to see. I'm still playing insurance

allowed doctor roulette.

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RE:

Introduction

I'm reading a book written by Dr. Hotze (in Katy) www.drhotze.com.

He's

the one I wish I could afford to see. I'm still playing insurance

allowed doctor roulette.

can help increase

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[Guest guest]

That's what I was about to ask!!!!! I want to know who she is seeing....

Kate G

At 01:16 PM 2/6/2008, you wrote:

>Who is your doc prescribing Armour plus HC? It is not too hard to find a

>doc to Rx Armour, but the HC is nearly impossible. Why are you looking around?

>

>Tina Chapek wrote:

>Hi,

>

>I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning

>here.

>

>I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2

>years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little

>success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone right

>now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just

>switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat

>thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals

>first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was

>all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased an

>old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am going

>to try the graph again.

>

>I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal

>cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I

>went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good

>testimonies from his products?

>

>Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat

>adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind

>driving.

>

>Looking forward to meeting you all,

>

>

>

>Tina

>

>

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[Guest guest]

Tina,

If you doctor is giving your hydrocortisone, then they have identified that

your adrenals are low. That is so much more than many doctors will

do. That is HUGE! The adrenals take time to rebuild. Has your doctor

checked ferretin, B12, and D? How long have your been are HC and

Armour? What is your dose on both?

Kate G

At 02:03 PM 2/6/2008, you wrote:

>Jan,

>

>I am looking for a doctor that knows how to find the root problem so

>that healing can take place.

>

>Do you know anything about adrenal cortex extracts - like if they are

>good or not? I am thinking of trying Dr. 's Adrenal

>Rebuilder. Search the forum here but didn't see any " wow "

>testimonies!

>

>

>

>Tina

>

>

> Hi,

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Hotze Health and Wellness. 12.5 mg divided doses. By the responses

so far, are doctors not prescribing HC anymore?!

Tina

>

> What doctor are you seeing now that is prescribing the

hydrocortisone? How

> much are you taking?

>

>

>

> _____

>

> From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Tina

Chapek

> Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:59 AM

> To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> Subject: Introduction

>

>

>

> Hi,

>

> I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning

> here.

>

> I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2

> years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little

> success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone

right

> now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just

> switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat

> thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals

> first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was

> all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased

an

> old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am

going

> to try the graph again.

>

> I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal

> cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I

> went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good

> testimonies from his products?

>

> Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat

> adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind

> driving.

>

> Looking forward to meeting you all,

>

>

>

> Tina

>

[Guest guest]

Most doctors don't understand adrenals. What about your Armour dose? Are

they leaving you at 12.5mg or raising it? Are you still having any adrenal

issues?

Kate G

At 04:46 PM 2/6/2008, you wrote:

>Hotze Health and Wellness. 12.5 mg divided doses. By the responses

>so far, are doctors not prescribing HC anymore?!

>

>Tina

>

>

> >

> > What doctor are you seeing now that is prescribing the

>hydrocortisone? How

> > much are you taking?

> >

> >

> >

> > _____

> >

> > From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> > [mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On Behalf Of Tina

>Chapek

> > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 10:59 AM

> > To: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

> > Subject: Introduction

> >

> >

> >

> > Hi,

> >

> > I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning

> > here.

> >

> > I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2

> > years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little

> > success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone

>right

> > now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just

> > switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat

> > thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals

> > first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was

> > all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased

>an

> > old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am

>going

> > to try the graph again.

> >

> > I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal

> > cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I

> > went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good

> > testimonies from his products?

> >

> > Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat

> > adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind

> > driving.

> >

> > Looking forward to meeting you all,

> >

> >

> >

> > Tina

> >

>

>

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

They never started, at least for adrenal

fatigue. After all adrenal fatigue does not exist!!

From: Texas_Thyroid_Groups

[mailto:Texas_Thyroid_Groups ] On

Behalf Of Tina Chapek

Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008

4:46 PM

To:

Texas_Thyroid_Groups

Subject:

Re: Introduction

Hotze Health and Wellness. 12.5 mg divided doses. By the responses

so far, are doctors not prescribing HC anymore?!

Tina

>

> What doctor are you seeing now that is prescribing the

hydrocortisone? How

> much are you taking?

>

[Guest guest]

Hi, Tina,

Were you taking the HC capsules with food? I've heard they should always be taken with food or they will cause stomach upset.

No, I have not heard any good reports from anybody on the extracts or other adrenal supplements. Just the opposite I have heard they don't do much but cost money.

I believe Hydrocortisone is the first line treatment of choice. You may need slowly increasing doses, but it sounds like you're on the right track.

Why are you not satisfied with your treatment?

Carol

>> Hi,> > I'm new to the board. Been doing some reading today and learning > here. > > I started having a lot of problems with anxiety and fatigue about 2 > years ago. I have been to a couple different doctors with little > success. My doctor has me on Armour Thyroid and Hydrocortisone right > now but I'm having a hard time stomaching the HC capsules so just > switched to cream. I recently learned that it's difficult to treat > thyroid problems if you aren't adequately treating the adrenals > first. I was trying to graph my temps but my little ole digital was > all over the scale from one minute to the next so I just purchased an > old fashioned mercury one. It seems to be working fine so I am going > to try the graph again.> > I just got a copy of Dr. 's book and he talks about adrenal > cortex extracts. Do any of you take these and get good results? I > went to his website and saw the Adrenal Rebuilder too. Any good > testimonies from his products?> > Are there any doctors in the Houston area that know how to treat > adrenal fatigue and thyroid? We are in SE Houston but don't mind > driving. > > Looking forward to meeting you all,> > > > Tina>

[Guest guest]

Kate,

I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the standard

blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look

at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour

Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA,

Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by,

just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When

I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would

suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a

difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do

about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little and

suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt a

little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt a

litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and

said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I

could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the

lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC

started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take

with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an empty

stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take

Prilosec. They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4,

ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I

called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 weeks

and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so

pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC

because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the

root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.

My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-

420). WOuld you know wht that means?

I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is

fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.

Tina

Hi,

> > >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Kate,

My HC dose is 12.5 mg. My armour thyroid dose is 60 mg.

I have been on the HC for 18 months and still have fatigue and

anxiety. I just got a copy of Dr. 's book on Adrenal Fatigue.

He talks about the difference between cortisol (HC) and adrenal

cortex extracts. " Adrenal cell extracts nourish and help rebuild

your adrenal cells...In contrast, corticosteroids, whether natural or

synthetic, tend to reduce or shut down the activity of your adrenal

glands. This happens because your brain senses the presence of these

cortisol substitutes and, in response, withholds the signal (ACTH) it

would otherwise send to your adrenal to make more adrenal

hormones... Thus corticosteroids suppress the functions of your

adrenal glands, over-riding the normal feed back loops that regulate

and balance adrenal hormones... " My understanding was that taking

the low dosage of HC would allow your adrenal glands to rest. That

makes sense to me. But he believes they are ok for short term use but

they don't actually help the adrenals to heal.

So I started wondering if trying the cortex extracts might help. He

documents how they were used in the early 1900s. I would just like

to have some more data before I make the investment.

Sorry - I am sure this is more than you wanted to know!

Tina

> >Hotze Health and Wellness. 12.5 mg divided doses. By the

responses

> >so far, are doctors not prescribing HC anymore?!

> >

> >Tina

[Guest guest]

Putting you on all of those hormones without first testing is a huge red flag. Testosterone in particular is a huge red flag. It is a listed controlled substance. The doc could lose his license. . . . .if he were not politically very well-connected. For thyroid, looking beyond the test results with good documentation, will fly. I am not sure that this extends to testosterone. From a purely practical point of view, many hypo/hashi folks have difficulty tolerating a variety of hormones and supplements that they need. So, it is foolhardy to start them on a full protocol. Most folks need their ferritin between 50 and 100 or more to even start feeling well. Low ferritin can impact your ability to

tolerate thyroid hormone. The solution is iron supplements and lots of mooo, oink, ba-a-a-a, and Cluck-Pikaw! Chelated ferrous bisglycinate such as Solgar Gentle Iron is easier on the stomach than some others. If he failed to flag your ferritin below 50, he flat dropped the ball. As for the Free T3, did you take your meds before the blood draw? If so, how long before? What was your Free T4? Your report confirms

what I have said when asked about Hotze, "I know of docs who will help you more and charge you less." Tina Chapek wrote: Kate,I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the standard blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA, Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by, just

based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little and suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt a little calmer. So on my own, I increased it a little more and felt a litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an empty stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take Prilosec.

They gave me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4, ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 weeks and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to say bad things about HHWC because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.:)My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-420). WOuld you know wht that means?I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.Tina

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[Guest guest]

,

Thanks for the insight. I am seeing a conventional doctor on Monday

however his natural program (he has both a conventional and a

natural practice!) is $2000 for a year which covers 6 office visits,

3 spectracell tests and saliva tests, one free chiro visit, one free

fitness instruction, one free nutritional session). AFter spending

gobs at HHWC, I am hesitant but I have been to him on the conv side

before and he personally takes AT and something for adrenals. So I

am going in for some more questions before we decide if I will do the

program. My husband is wonderful about it but I feel bad spending

this kind of money.

Can you tell me if being easily startled is an adrenal thing. That

and morning anxiety are what make me think it is adrenal. And that

the HC helps. Is there a way to tell if it is pituitary or

hypothalamus? I am taking amino acids for neurotransmitter balance

and I do feel better after taking them for a few months but the

anxiety (jitters) never fully goes away. Eating protein doesn't seem

to make a difference - I was wondering if it was hypoglycemia. I

welcome any thoughts!

Thanks again,

Tina

>

> Hi Tina,

>

> I have been taking the Adrenal Cortex extracts (not the brand they

> recommend as it has other things that I can't tolerate) and it has

> helped me to survive the last 5 years. But, I do still have some

> very funky issues with my adrenals. It really depends upon how out

> of whack your adrenals are whether the glandular is all you need.

I

> likely still would have been better off if I had been able to find

a

> doctor that would address all my hormones from the get go, rather

> than having to rely on the OTC supplements to survive. Also, I had

> originally been afraid of using the HC as I had Lyme disease when I

> became so ill and cortisone is strongly discouraged for Lyme

> patients, however, I learned last year from a top Lyme doctor that

> the low doses prescribed for adrenal fatigue are perfectly okay

> (although, unfortunately, some of the docs that treat Lyme are in

> the same old school mentality of alot of other docs and they're

> afraid of HC).

>

> If you do choose to try the glandulars, you really need to make

sure

> that you inform the doctors (as you should with ALL supplements).

> Otherwise, when they run labs, you can get some things very

skewed.

> If you're planning on seeing someone ASAP about all of this, I

would

> not recommend starting with the glandulars as I really think by the

> time most of us find this group, the HC is likely the most

effective

> way to go.

>

> B.

>

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I agree completely. I hope that after she goes with me next Friday to Dr R that she will reconsider. The problem, as I see it, is that she comes from old money and can go wherever whenever. Hopefully, she'll change her mind next week. Marcie carol77096 wrote: Marcie, The best thing you can do for your friend is tell her to regroup and get to Dr. R. if she is very sick. He will help her more and she won't have to travel. It would be a lot easier and better for her any way you look at it. She will get very individualized care with Dr. R. Carol > > Kate,> > I am sorry to say I disagree. Dr. Hotze and company run the > standard > > blood tests but don't put much weight on them - they prefer to look > > at symptoms. On my first visit, I left with 7 perscriptions (Armour > > Thyroid, HC, Pregnenolone, Testosterone, Progesterone, DHEA, > > Nystatin, Dyflucan)! They did not have any test results to go by, > > just based on how I felt. I have been on the HC for 18 months. When > > I called because I was still having a lot of anxiety, they would > > suggest supplements. I tried them and didn't really notice a > > difference. When I hurt my back and called them to see what to do > > about anti-inflammatories, they suggested increasing HC a little > and > > suggested 2 supplements. I noticed when I increased the HC, I felt > a > > little calmer. So on my own, I

increased it a little more and felt > a > > litle more calm. I called and told them and they were stumped and > > said that my doctor doesn't like to increase HC! I mentioned that I > > could then increase my Armour Thyroid whereas when I was on the > > lowest dosage of HC, I could not. Again, stumped! When the HC > > started bothering my stomach (their information did not say to take > > with food and they verbally told me to take all hormones on an > empty > > stomach!), they said to decrease the dosage by 2.5 mg and take > > Prilosec. They gav! e me an RX for blood work to check T3, T4, > > ferritin etc. and I confirmed they were sent the results. When I > > called, they said he would call me to discuss the results in 2 > weeks > > and I never heard back! Hence, I am looking for a new (not so > > pricey!) doctor. I so don't like to

say bad things about HHWC > > because they do help people but they don't seem to understand the > > root problems of adrenals and thyroid and how to fine-tune.> > > > My ferritin is low: 25 (10-232) and my Free T3 is high 603 (230-> > 420). WOuld you know wht that means?> > > > I had a spectracell test done through a local chiro and my B12 is > > fine though my zinc and B2 were low. My D was in range.> > > > Tina > ---------------------------------> Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.>

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Dr E Steve in Lubbock, TX.Tina Chapek wrote: Marcie,Who is Dr. R?:)TIna>> You say a 'ticking time bomb.' What do you mean? I ask because I have a friend who just went down there two weeks ago. She's really sick and needs help. I'm just thinking she may have bought into the hype. I didn't find out about Dr R till she had already made her appointment down there...yes, she flew out of Lubbock to Houston!> > Marcie> >

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"Dr. R"? Dr. E. Steve in Lubbock. He is currently in Family Practice, but his background includes teaching and doing research in steroid biochemistry at UT Southwestern Medical School. He is hypothyroid himself, as is his wife, their natural daughter, and their adopted daughter. Toodles, the hypo cat, went to kitty heaven. He prescribes Armour Thyroid and compounded bio-identical hormones including hydrocortisone. I drive six plus hours to see him and make a point of discussing all of my health issues with him, because he just knows more than any other doc I have ever seen. He does not push supplements, but may sometimes suggest vitamins and minerals. He sends most of his compound prescriptions to Womens International Pharmacy in Madison WI, which has very reasonable prices and a good track record for potency. He is one of the very few good thyroid docs who takes some, but not all, insurance. Tina Chapek wrote: Marcie,Who is Dr. R?:)TIna>> You say a 'ticking time bomb.' What do you mean? I ask because I have a friend who just went down there two weeks ago. She's really sick and needs help. I'm just thinking she may have bought into the hype. I didn't find out about Dr R till she had already made her appointment down there...yes, she flew out of Lubbock to Houston!> > Marcie> >