From the listowner and moderator

[Guest guest]

Just fair warning that if another post on the issue of school

vouchers/scholarships, whatever - is in any way cutting down another person's

views and not instead educating us all on the facts - in an non-inflammatory or

accusing way - that person will be set to moderation.

This issue is a very huge issue for Texas and there are many opinions/facts

about this issue.

It is very much a heated issue and there is division - to an extent....

I know that we all want the same outcome: A Free and Appropriate Public

Education.

There are many ways to achieve that and we need to be informed about that.

But cutting down another person in the process will not be tolerated.

Saying things like " ...but this group opposed that and instead we got

nothing.... " -- things of that nature are inflammatory. And that's not an

exact quote from anyone's post - just the gist of the underlying sarcasm I can

read into.

I don't know what the solution is, but I am open to hearing all sides so I can

make an informed decision.

I don't know how else to word this - respect each other's view and do not send

personal attacks or defenses if you feel attacked -- through this list. Debate

those things personally among yourselves.

While we are doing those things - folks at TEA are sitting back sipping their

Starbucks secure in their job.

We need to turn these emotions toward the source - which is not each other -

but those who are responsible for creating this situation.

For every post sent back in forth to each other on this issue on this list --

I certainly hope to Gosh that 2 were sent first to TEA and your

Legislators.........

Sincerely,

M. Guppy

M. Guppy

Don't tell God how big your storm is - tell the storm how big your God is!

Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

" There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to

compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live

in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone

should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make

their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. "

[Guest guest]

I belong to both the Texas Autism Advocacy Yahoo group and the Ohio Autism Yahoo

group. For those who doubt the success of the Ohio Autism Scholarship Program ,

I suggest you become a member of that group and compare the tone of the posts

and hopefulness with the Texas group and make the decision for yourself on which

system seems to work for kids with autism.

Tammy

Re: From the listowner and moderator

" Saying things like " ...but this group opposed that and instead we got

nothing.... " -- things of that nature are inflammatory. And that's

not an exact quote from anyone's post - just the gist of the

underlying sarcasm I can read into. "

, you mischaraterizing my comment is only furthering the

divide. I said it was my opinion that our lack of unity sent a mixed

message that MAY have convinced our legislators this is not a big

enough problem to require immediate action. NO sarcasm whatsover.

This could have been posted by someone on either side of this issue.

The same would be true if a group opposed the insurance bill because

it cut off services at age 5 - since that wouldn't help everyone

equally. But that did not happen and the bill passed.

My opinion was met by a slew of personal attacks calling me " vicious "

and a liar and mischaracterizing my statements as an attack on

everyone opposing the bill as " harming children " and pushing a

fabricated " voucher " view on everyone. These people are allowed to

continue to post and the ones defending me are censored and now

threatened in this post to be put on " moderation. "

I've really had enough of being reprimanded for sharing an opinion,

and blocked form clarifying my position while personal attacks are

permitted and those who attack are martyred by the moderator. You

have left me with no choice but to resign from this list. I hope

others can remain who will not be isolated for opposing views.

>

> Just fair warning that if another post on the issue of school

vouchers/scholarships, whatever - is in any way cutting down another

person's views and not instead educating us all on the facts - in an

non-inflammatory or accusing way - that person will be set to

moderation.

>

> This issue is a very huge issue for Texas and there are many

opinions/facts about this issue.

>

> It is very much a heated issue and there is division - to an

extent....

>

> I know that we all want the same outcome: A Free and Appropriate

Public Education.

>

> There are many ways to achieve that and we need to be informed

about that.

>

>

> But cutting down another person in the process will not be

tolerated.

>

> Saying things like " ...but this group opposed that and instead we

got nothing.... " -- things of that nature are inflammatory. And

that's not an exact quote from anyone's post - just the gist of the

underlying sarcasm I can read into.

>

> I don't know what the solution is, but I am open to hearing all

sides so I can make an informed decision.

>

>

> I don't know how else to word this - respect each other's view

and do not send personal attacks or defenses if you feel attacked --

through this list. Debate those things personally among yourselves.

>

> While we are doing those things - folks at TEA are sitting back

sipping their Starbucks secure in their job.

>

> We need to turn these emotions toward the source - which is not

each other - but those who are responsible for creating this

situation.

>

> For every post sent back in forth to each other on this issue on

this list -- I certainly hope to Gosh that 2 were sent first to TEA

and your Legislators.........

>

> Sincerely,

> M. Guppy

>

>

> M. Guppy

> Don't tell God how big your storm is - tell the storm how big your

God is! Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

>

> " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right

to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No

one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive

education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who

does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own

futures. All must. "

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

Tammy - could you send me a link to the Ohio group at my email address?

amy.sosa@...

Thank you in advance,

Amy

Coppell, TX

>

> I belong to both the Texas Autism Advocacy Yahoo group and the Ohio

Autism Yahoo group. For those who doubt the success of the Ohio Autism

Scholarship Program , I suggest you become a member of that group and

compare the tone of the posts and hopefulness with the Texas group and

make the decision for yourself on which system seems to work for kids

with autism.

>

> Tammy

>

[Guest guest]

Tammy,

I am a member of your group Ohio Autism Scholarship Program and

repeatedly posted here on TAA about the many families loving their

scholarship benefit in Ohio. I am glad you posted. So far, we

have not created change, but hopeful with the 81st we can change

something at our State level with the Texas Education Agency. There

are many families who are working again at the grassroot level to

create something better for Texas, not sure what, but we WANT to do

something BIG :>)

We appreciate your friendship. I was always impressed with how

families posted to find how they could use the scholarship benefit.

It was pretty nice to read posts about finding solutions instead of

bickering and feuding with our school districts.

Mark

> >

> > Just fair warning that if another post on the issue of school

> vouchers/scholarships, whatever - is in any way cutting down

another

> person's views and not instead educating us all on the facts -

in an

> non-inflammatory or accusing way - that person will be set to

> moderation.

> >

> > This issue is a very huge issue for Texas and there are many

> opinions/facts about this issue.

> >

> > It is very much a heated issue and there is division - to an

> extent....

> >

> > I know that we all want the same outcome: A Free and

Appropriate

> Public Education.

> >

> > There are many ways to achieve that and we need to be informed

> about that.

> >

> >

> > But cutting down another person in the process will not be

> tolerated.

> >

> > Saying things like " ...but this group opposed that and instead

we

> got nothing.... " -- things of that nature are inflammatory. And

> that's not an exact quote from anyone's post - just the gist of

the

> underlying sarcasm I can read into.

> >

> > I don't know what the solution is, but I am open to hearing

all

> sides so I can make an informed decision.

> >

> >

> > I don't know how else to word this - respect each other's view

> and do not send personal attacks or defenses if you feel

attacked --

> through this list. Debate those things personally among

yourselves.

> >

> > While we are doing those things - folks at TEA are sitting

back

> sipping their Starbucks secure in their job.

> >

> > We need to turn these emotions toward the source - which is

not

> each other - but those who are responsible for creating this

> situation.

> >

> > For every post sent back in forth to each other on this issue

on

> this list -- I certainly hope to Gosh that 2 were sent first to

TEA

> and your Legislators.........

> >

> > Sincerely,

> > M. Guppy

> >

> >

> > M. Guppy

> > Don't tell God how big your storm is - tell the storm how big

your

> God is! Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

> >

> > " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no

right

> to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution.

No

> one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an

inclusive

> education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who

> does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their

own

> futures. All must. "

> >

> >

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

oops I meant Ohio Autism Yahoo group

> > >

> > > Just fair warning that if another post on the issue of

school

> > vouchers/scholarships, whatever - is in any way cutting down

> another

> > person's views and not instead educating us all on the facts -

> in an

> > non-inflammatory or accusing way - that person will be set to

> > moderation.

> > >

> > > This issue is a very huge issue for Texas and there are many

> > opinions/facts about this issue.

> > >

> > > It is very much a heated issue and there is division - to an

> > extent....

> > >

> > > I know that we all want the same outcome: A Free and

> Appropriate

> > Public Education.

> > >

> > > There are many ways to achieve that and we need to be

informed

> > about that.

> > >

> > >

> > > But cutting down another person in the process will not be

> > tolerated.

> > >

> > > Saying things like " ...but this group opposed that and

instead

> we

> > got nothing.... " -- things of that nature are inflammatory.

And

> > that's not an exact quote from anyone's post - just the gist

of

> the

> > underlying sarcasm I can read into.

> > >

> > > I don't know what the solution is, but I am open to hearing

> all

> > sides so I can make an informed decision.

> > >

> > >

> > > I don't know how else to word this - respect each other's

view

> > and do not send personal attacks or defenses if you feel

> attacked --

> > through this list. Debate those things personally among

> yourselves.

> > >

> > > While we are doing those things - folks at TEA are sitting

> back

> > sipping their Starbucks secure in their job.

> > >

> > > We need to turn these emotions toward the source - which is

> not

> > each other - but those who are responsible for creating this

> > situation.

> > >

> > > For every post sent back in forth to each other on this

issue

> on

> > this list -- I certainly hope to Gosh that 2 were sent first

to

> TEA

> > and your Legislators.........

> > >

> > > Sincerely,

> > > M. Guppy

> > >

> > >

> > > M. Guppy

> > > Don't tell God how big your storm is - tell the storm how

big

> your

> > God is! Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

> > >

> > > " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no

> right

> > to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution.

> No

> > one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an

> inclusive

> > education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and

who

> > does not get the right to make their own choices and forge

their

> own

> > futures. All must. "

> > >

> > >

> > >

> > >