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Viral load can very wildly, its not uncommon.. but when they are typically very high and suddenly over time go lower and lower and lower and even end up in the normal range, that is NOT a good sign.. that is a sign that the liver is getting sicker and sicker and can no longer even make the enzymes to leak.. We've seen that in end stage cirrhosis where the alt/ast and viral load drop down because the liver is getting sicker and sicker.. Is there a particular reason you are asking?euryale65802 wrote: Does anyone have an idea why

numbers of a viral load would drop considerably & why? Jackie

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Viral

load can greatly vary, and according to my heptologist, the numbers are really meaningless.

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Does anyone have an idea why numbers of a viral

load would drop

considerably & why?

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Ok now I have a question. I joined this group awile ago and just

read the posts daily. My husaband has hep c. He started treatment 5

weeks ago at that time his vl was 1.5 million at his 4 week check up

his vl was 15,000 he is also a stage 4 cirrhosis. So are you saying

his vl is down because the liver is sicker not because of the

treatment. I am confused his dr is very pleased with his response to

treatment. Very little side effects and all of his blookwork came

back within a normal range.

Does anyone have an idea why numbers of a viral load would drop

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Good

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Subject: RE: Viral Load

Except for the fact that they sure can play a

part in how you FEEL..

Matchinsky wrote:

Viral load can greatly vary, and according to my heptologist, the numbers are

really meaningless.

Fighting

the Dragon

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Does anyone have an idea why numbers of a viral load would

drop

considerably & why?

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Actually an ugly one, but valid.. I am staying away from blood work for now, what we don't know kind of thing, since I am in a holding pattern.. Sheena. Matchinsky wrote: Good point…. Fighting the Dragon From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of SheenaSent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:03 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Viral Load Except for the fact that they sure can play a part in how you

FEEL.. Matchinsky <michaelboxernest (DOT) net> wrote: Viral load can greatly vary, and according to my heptologist, the numbers are really meaningless. Fighting the Dragon From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of euryale65802Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 12:51 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: Viral Load Does anyone have an idea why numbers of a viral load would dropconsiderably &

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I've had so many needle pokes.....Just had several put in my leg to insert a laser to seal off the vein which has become painfully varicose...

One more item in my 65 year overhaul accounted for. lol

Sharon in NW Washington

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Actually an ugly one, but valid..

I am staying away from blood work for now, what we don't know

kind of thing, since I am in a holding pattern..

Sheena.

Matchinsky wrote:

Good point..

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From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of SheenaSent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:03 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Viral Load

Except for the fact that they sure can play a part in how you FEEL..

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I've had so many needle pokes.....Just had several put in my leg to insert a laser to seal off the vein which has become painfully varicose...

One more item in my 65 year overhaul accounted for. lol

Sharon in NW Washington

Knitting is...time and love made tangible. Alison Hyde

Actually an ugly one, but valid..

I am staying away from blood work for now, what we don't know

kind of thing, since I am in a holding pattern..

Sheena.

Matchinsky wrote:

Good point..

Fighting the Dragon

From: Hepatitis_C_Central [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On Behalf Of SheenaSent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:03 AMTo: Hepatitis_C_Central Subject: RE: Viral Load

Except for the fact that they sure can play a part in how you FEEL..

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Hello Group!

I have been doing some research and I cannot seem to

find anything that shows a correlation between viral

load and fatigue. My husband is at 8 million+ and I

am trying to best educate us on how to complete his

disability paperwork. Any suggestions?

Thank you in advance!

Kathy

--- SHARON CROSBY wrote:

> I've had so many needle pokes.....Just had several

> put in my leg to insert a laser to seal off the vein

> which has become painfully varicose...

> One more item in my 65 year overhaul accounted for.

> lol

> Sharon in NW Washington

>

> Knitting is...time and love made tangible. Alison

> Hyde

>

> Actually an ugly one, but valid..

> I am staying away from blood work for now, what we

> don't know

> kind of thing, since I am in a holding pattern..

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> Sheena.

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> Matchinsky

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> Good point..

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> Fighting the Dragon

> From:

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> [mailto:Hepatitis_C_Central ] On

> Behalf Of Sheena

> Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2008 10:03 AM

> To: Hepatitis_C_Central

> Subject: RE: Viral Load

> Except for the fact that they sure can play a

> part in how you FEEL..

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There is no correlation between the viral load and fatigue . But there is correlation between stage/grade biopsy's and fatigue

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Ok-Thank you! He has never had a biopsy-but I will

insist this new doctor have one done.

Have a great day!

--- elizabethnv1 wrote:

> There is no correlation between the viral load and

> fatigue . But there is correlation between

> stage/grade biopsy's and fatigue

> RE: Viral Load

> > Except for the fact that they sure can play a

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Where can I find that info? I am grade 1, stage 1. Must be psychosomatic or something with me then, lol.. elizabethnv1 wrote: There is no correlation between the viral load and fatigue . But there is correlation between stage/grade biopsy's and fatigue RE: Viral Load> Except for the fact that they sure can play a> part in how you FEEL..> > __________________________________________________________Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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He should have an ultrasound also , but the biopsy is the most important thing and shows exactly what damage there is .

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You really want that info Sheena ? lol I have tons of links

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I know that the numbers can go up and down but I think it has to do with the livers ability to compensate for the damaging virus cells .

Viral Load

Does anyone have an idea why numbers of a viral load would dropconsiderably & why?

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He has had ultrasounds and CT scans. So far, no

cancer. His tumor markers are cancer level. I am

upset that it seems they are not doing enough for him.

He had an endoscopy 5 years ago that showed

varices...but not one since.

Fortunately, I am picking up copies of all dr notes

and I will have a better idea what is going on.

Thanks for your support!

Kathy

--- elizabethnv1 wrote:

> He should have an ultrasound also , but the biopsy

> is the most important thing and shows exactly what

> damage there is .

> RE: Viral Load

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If his tumor markers are up then his doctor should have immediately ordered a biopsy . Get on em about it

RE: Viral Load> > > Except for the fact that they sure can play a> > > part in how you FEEL..> > > > > > > > > > > >> >__________________________________________________________> > Be a better friend, newshound, and > > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.> >> >http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> > > > > > >__________________________________________________________> Be a better friend, newshound, and > know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now.>http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ> > > __________________________________________________________Be a better friend, newshound, and know-it-all with Yahoo! Mobile. Try it now. http://mobile.yahoo.com/;_ylt=Ahu06i62sR8HDtDypao8Wcj9tAcJ

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absolutely! tomorrow is the dr appt!

--- elizabethnv1 wrote:

> If his tumor markers are up then his doctor should

> have immediately ordered a biopsy . Get on em about

> it

> RE: Viral

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No, sweetie, I know you are the queen of research, I am just trying to understand the why's.. elizabethnv1 wrote: You really want that info Sheena ? lol I have tons of links RE: Viral Load> Except for the fact that they sure can play a> part in how you FEEL..> >

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Thats a relief, keep us posted Kathy, I agree they need to do more for him! Sheena kathy przybyla kloth wrote: absolutely! tomorrow is the dr appt!--- elizabethnv1 <elizabethnv1earthlink (DOT) net> wrote:> If his tumor markers are up then his doctor

should> have immediately ordered a biopsy . Get on em about> it > RE: Viral> Load> > > > Except for the fact that they sure can play> a> > > > part in how you FEEL..> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > >>

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I hope the day goes well for your hubby . Is your husband taking any beta blockers for the varices ?

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Even as educated as I am with the human body and this disease I still haven't found definative answers to lots of my why's lol xoxo

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Thank you Sheena! It has been an uphill battle! But

they just don't know how persistent I am!

--- Sheena wrote:

> Thats a relief, keep us posted Kathy, I agree they

> need

> to do more for him!

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> Sheena

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> kathy przybyla kloth wrote:

> absolutely! tomorrow is the dr appt!

> --- elizabethnv1 wrote:

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> > If his tumor markers are up then his doctor should

> > have immediately ordered a biopsy . Get on em

> about

> > it

> > RE: Viral

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No he is not...he is only on his diabetic meds...

--- elizabethnv1 wrote:

> I hope the day goes well for your hubby . Is your

> husband taking any beta blockers for the varices ?

> RE: Viral

> > Load

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But that keeps you researching! :)

--- elizabethnv1 wrote:

> Even as educated as I am with the human body and

> this disease I still haven't found definative

> answers to lots of my why's lol xoxo

> RE: Viral

> Load

> > Except for the fact that they sure can

> play a

> > part in how you FEEL..

> >

> >

>

>

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