Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Thank you for posting this Christy! I was wondering how the presentation went. This is all very exciting news and I really hope that every single person sends in their $15!!! Carol in ILMom to , 8 DS My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.VOTE NOBAMA '08Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition My name is Christy and I have a 12 month old son with Ds. I want to share the following information with your group. Last weekend I flew to New York City and watched the premiere of the documentary, "Changing a Mind." Let me say, my reaction to the film was "WOW!" The potential of the research being done at Garner Lab at Stanford is absolutely amazing. If you have not looked at Garner Lab's website lately - you need to! Dr. Garner just posted A LOT of new information last week. Be sure to read through every page, every link - it is quite interesting. Please read the excerpt (from Garner Lab's website) I've pasted at the end of this email. It discusses how learning is impaired for individuals with Ds. In a nutshell, he has demonstrated in the Ds mouse model that the inhibitory communication in the brains of Ds mice is acting like a "parking brake" by being overactive and inhibiting learning. By turning it down (they are using a drug called PTZ in the lab - currently not available in the US) learning can better occur. It is based on this research that people are now giving their kids Ginkgo Biloba. It is the Bilobalide in the Ginkgo Biloba that works to "release the parking brake" ever so slightly. Dr. Garner is hopeful that the PTZ will have a much BETTER effect than the Ginkgo Biloba on the inhibitory pathways. Dr. Cody Cashion formulated the CMP treatment featured in the documentary. It is important to note that the BEST RESULTS occurred in the film when the Ginkgo Biloba was used IN CONJUNCTION with Prozac. According to the research referenced on the changingmindsfounda tion.com Research section, Prozac has been proven to have a neurogenesis effect on the brain (produce new neurons). This is an important component of the Protocol since it has been shown by autopsy that by six months of age, babies with Down syndrome have ONLY HALF of the number of neurons in the brain as a typical child. In the lab, when Prozac was given to mice their neuron count DOUBLED in 24 days (this article is also posted in the Research section on changingmindsfounda tion.com ). So basically, by increasing the neuron count AND "releasing the parking brake" on the inhibitory pathway - the kids in the film made tremendous progress. I was able to meet with Dr. Garner and discuss his current research for over an hour after the film. He truly has a passion to find an effective treatment to improve cognition in individuals with Down syndrome. I'm sure that many of you have the same questions I did, but here is the main one - WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS NEW DRUG THROUGH CLINICAL TRIAL AND TO MARKET? The answer is very simple - Money - approximately $3 - $5 million. This may sound like a lot, but really - it's not! There are 350,000 people with Ds living in the US. If each family of each person with Ds gave just $15 DIRECTLY to Dr. Garner's Ds Lab fund that would be over $5 million!! He could go forward with the process of conducting a proper clinical trial without having to jump through time consuming hoops to raise the money through alternate sources. The Changing Minds Foundation is also raising money to go toward Dr. Garner's research. Don't take my word for how impressive this research is - I'm not a scientist, I'm just a mom like you. Read all of the information for yourself at http://garnerlab. stanford. edu/ . Watch the 3 minute preview on www.changingmindsfo undation. org . Read the research posted on www.changingmindsfo undation. com . Buy the DVD directly from their website for $35. Host a showing of the DVD at a local church or school as a fund raiser for this vital research! I would like to encourage each of you to do your part right now and write a check for at least $15 and send it to: Attn: Deborah Stinchfield, Stanford University, Office of Medical Development, 2700 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025. Make your check payable to Stanford University and BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CODE in the memo section (DHAYQ) - this designates your gift for the Garner Down Syndrome Fund. "Studies in the Garner lab have confirmed that in this mouse model of Down syndrome communication between two types of brain cells—excitatory and inhibitory neurons—is out of balance. There is too much inhibitory communication, which prevents learning from properly taking place. It's as if somebody forgot to release the parking break—the car just won't go.The Garner lab further investigated whether inhibitory communication between neurons could somehow be reduced in this mouse model. For this purpose, Down syndrome mice and normal mice were tested on two tasks that were designed to assess learning and memory. As expected, the Down syndrome mice performed significantly worse than the normal mice. The Down syndrome mice were then treated for several weeks with different drugs, which are known to reduce inhibitory communication. These drugs work by partially blocking a receptor located on the neurons called GABA A receptor. Blocking these receptors should reduce inhibitory communication, thereby increasing excitatory communication. When tested on the learning and memory tasks, the Down syndrome mice now performed almost as well as the normal mice. Even several weeks after drug treatment had been terminated, these mice still performed better. These results confirm that too much inhibitory communication between neurons indeed prevents learning from taking place in this mouse model of Down syndrome. Reducing this inhibition with specific drugs restores the balance between inhibitory and excitatory neurons so that learning can take place." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Christy, May I forward this email to my local group? Thank you, Caroline Carol in IL wrote: > Thank you for posting this Christy! I was wondering how the > presentation went. This is all very exciting news and I really hope > that every single person sends in their $15!!! > Carol in IL > Mom to , 8 DS > > My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. > VOTE NOBAMA '08 > > > Join our Down Syndrome information group - > http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ > > > Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic > > > [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports > Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition > > My name is Christy and I have a 12 month old son with Ds. I want to > share the following information with your group. Last weekend I flew > to New York City and watched the premiere of the documentary, > " Changing a Mind. " Let me say, my reaction to the film was " WOW! " The > potential of the research being done at Garner Lab at Stanford is > absolutely amazing. If you have not looked at Garner Lab's website > lately - you need to! Dr. Garner just posted A LOT of new information > last week. Be sure to read through every page, every link - it is > quite interesting. > > Please read the excerpt (from Garner Lab's website) I've pasted at the > end of this email. It discusses how learning is impaired for > individuals with Ds. In a nutshell, he has demonstrated in the Ds > mouse model that the _inhibitory communication _in the brains of Ds > mice is acting like a " parking brake " by being overactive and > inhibiting learning. By turning it down (they are using a drug called > PTZ in the lab - currently not available in the US) learning can > better occur. It is based on this research that people are now giving > their kids Ginkgo Biloba. It is the Bilobalide in the Ginkgo Biloba > that works to " release the parking brake " ever so slightly. Dr. Garner > is hopeful that the PTZ will have a much BETTER effect than the Ginkgo > Biloba on the inhibitory pathways. Dr. Cody Cashion formulated > the CMP treatment featured in the documentary. It is important to note > that the BEST RESULTS occurred in the film when the Ginkgo Biloba was > used IN CONJUNCTION with Prozac. According to the research referenced > on the changingmindsfounda tion.com <http://tion.com> Research > section, Prozac has been proven to have a neurogenesis effect on the > brain (produce new neurons). This is an important component of the > Protocol since it has been shown by autopsy that by six months of age, > babies with Down syndrome have ONLY HALF of the number of neurons in > the brain as a typical child. In the lab, when Prozac was given to > mice their neuron count DOUBLED in 24 days (this article is also > posted in the Research section on changingmindsfounda tion.com ). So > basically, by increasing the neuron count AND " releasing the parking > brake " on the inhibitory pathway - the kids in the film made > tremendous progress. > > I was able to meet with Dr. Garner and discuss his current research > for over an hour after the film. He truly has a passion to find an > effective treatment to improve cognition in individuals with Down > syndrome. I'm sure that many of you have the same questions I did, but > here is the main one - WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS NEW DRUG > THROUGH CLINICAL TRIAL AND TO MARKET? The answer is very simple - > Money - approximately $3 - $5 million. This may sound like a lot, but > really - it's not! There are 350,000 people with Ds living in the US. > If each family of each person with Ds gave just $15 DIRECTLY to Dr. > Garner's Ds Lab fund that would be over $5 million!! He could go > forward with the process of conducting a proper clinical trial without > having to jump through time consuming hoops to raise the money through > alternate sources. > > The Changing Minds Foundation is also raising money to go toward Dr. > Garner's research. Don't take my word for how impressive this research > is - I'm not a scientist, I'm just a mom like you. Read all of the > information for yourself at http://garnerlab. stanford. edu/ > <http://garnerlab.stanford.edu/>_ _ . Watch the 3 minute preview on > www.changingmindsfo undation. org > <http://www.changingmindsfoundation.org/> . Read the research posted > on www.changingmindsfo undation. com > <http://www.changingmindsfoundation.com/> . Buy the DVD directly from > their website for $35. Host a showing of the DVD at a local church or > school as a fund raiser for this vital research! > > I would like to encourage each of you to do your part right now and > write a check for *at least $15* and send it to: /Attn: Deborah > Stinchfield, Stanford University, Office of Medical Development, 2700 > Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025/. Make your check payable to > _Stanford University_ and BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CODE in the > memo section (DHAYQ) - this designates your gift for the Garner Down > Syndrome Fund. > > * " **/Studies in the Garner lab have confirmed that in this mouse model > of Down syndrome communication between two types of brain > cells—excitatory and inhibitory neurons—is out of balance. There is > too much inhibitory communication, which prevents learning from > properly taking place. It's as if somebody forgot to release the > parking break—the car just won't go. > The Garner lab further investigated whether inhibitory communication > between neurons could somehow be reduced in this mouse model. For this > purpose, Down syndrome mice and normal mice were tested on two tasks > that were designed to assess learning and memory. As expected, the > Down syndrome mice performed significantly worse than the normal mice. /* > > / > /*/The Down syndrome mice were then treated for several weeks with > different drugs, which are known to reduce inhibitory communication. > These drugs work by partially blocking a receptor located on the > neurons called GABA A receptor. Blocking these receptors should reduce > inhibitory communication, thereby increasing excitatory communication. > When tested on the learning and memory tasks, the Down syndrome mice > now performed almost as well as the normal mice. Even several weeks > after drug treatment had been terminated, these mice still performed > better./* > > / > /*/These results confirm that too much inhibitory communication > between neurons indeed prevents learning from taking place in this > mouse model of Down syndrome. Reducing this inhibition with specific > drugs restores the balance between inhibitory and excitatory neurons > so that learning can take place. " /* > > ** > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition My name is Christy and I have a 12 month old son with Ds. I want to share the following information with your group. Last weekend I flew to New York City and watched the premiere of the documentary, "Changing a Mind." Let me say, my reaction to the film was "WOW!" The potential of the research being done at Garner Lab at Stanford is absolutely amazing. If you have not looked at Garner Lab's website lately - you need to! Dr. Garner just posted A LOT of new information last week. Be sure to read through every page, every link - it is quite interesting. Please read the excerpt (from Garner Lab's website) I've pasted at the end of this email. It discusses how learning is impaired for individuals with Ds. In a nutshell, he has demonstrated in the Ds mouse model that the inhibitory communication in the brains of Ds mice is acting like a "parking brake" by being overactive and inhibiting learning. By turning it down (they are using a drug called PTZ in the lab - currently not available in the US) learning can better occur. It is based on this research that people are now giving their kids Ginkgo Biloba. It is the Bilobalide in the Ginkgo Biloba that works to "release the parking brake" ever so slightly. Dr. Garner is hopeful that the PTZ will have a much BETTER effect than the Ginkgo Biloba on the inhibitory pathways. Dr. Cody Cashion formulated the CMP treatment featured in the documentary. It is important to note that the BEST RESULTS occurred in the film when the Ginkgo Biloba was used IN CONJUNCTION with Prozac. According to the research referenced on the changingmindsfounda tion.com Research section, Prozac has been proven to have a neurogenesis effect on the brain (produce new neurons). This is an important component of the Protocol since it has been shown by autopsy that by six months of age, babies with Down syndrome have ONLY HALF of the number of neurons in the brain as a typical child. In the lab, when Prozac was given to mice their neuron count DOUBLED in 24 days (this article is also posted in the Research section on changingmindsfounda tion.com ). So basically, by increasing the neuron count AND "releasing the parking brake" on the inhibitory pathway - the kids in the film made tremendous progress. I was able to meet with Dr. Garner and discuss his current research for over an hour after the film. He truly has a passion to find an effective treatment to improve cognition in individuals with Down syndrome. I'm sure that many of you have the same questions I did, but here is the main one - WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS NEW DRUG THROUGH CLINICAL TRIAL AND TO MARKET? The answer is very simple - Money - approximately $3 - $5 million. This may sound like a lot, but really - it's not! There are 350,000 people with Ds living in the US. If each family of each person with Ds gave just $15 DIRECTLY to Dr. Garner's Ds Lab fund that would be over $5 million!! He could go forward with the process of conducting a proper clinical trial without having to jump through time consuming hoops to raise the money through alternate sources. The Changing Minds Foundation is also raising money to go toward Dr. Garner's research. Don't take my word for how impressive this research is - I'm not a scientist, I'm just a mom like you. Read all of the information for yourself at http://garnerlab. stanford. edu/ . Watch the 3 minute preview on www.changingmindsfo undation. org . Read the research posted on www.changingmindsfo undation. com .. Buy the DVD directly from their website for $35. Host a showing of the DVD at a local church or school as a fund raiser for this vital research! I would like to encourage each of you to do your part right now and write a check for at least $15 and send it to: Attn: Deborah Stinchfield, Stanford University, Office of Medical Development, 2700 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025. Make your check payable to Stanford University and BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CODE in the memo section (DHAYQ) - this designates your gift for the Garner Down Syndrome Fund. "Studies in the Garner lab have confirmed that in this mouse model of Down syndrome communication between two types of brain cells—excitatory and inhibitory neurons—is out of balance. There is too much inhibitory communication, which prevents learning from properly taking place. It's as if somebody forgot to release the parking break—the car just won't go.The Garner lab further investigated whether inhibitory communication between neurons could somehow be reduced in this mouse model. For this purpose, Down syndrome mice and normal mice were tested on two tasks that were designed to assess learning and memory. As expected, the Down syndrome mice performed significantly worse than the normal mice. The Down syndrome mice were then treated for several weeks with different drugs, which are known to reduce inhibitory communication. These drugs work by partially blocking a receptor located on the neurons called GABA A receptor. Blocking these receptors should reduce inhibitory communication, thereby increasing excitatory communication. When tested on the learning and memory tasks, the Down syndrome mice now performed almost as well as the normal mice. Even several weeks after drug treatment had been terminated, these mice still performed better. These results confirm that too much inhibitory communication between neurons indeed prevents learning from taking place in this mouse model of Down syndrome. Reducing this inhibition with specific drugs restores the balance between inhibitory and excitatory neurons so that learning can take place." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 My doctor read all the information but is very apprehensive about the Prozac. I was a little disappointed, although it scares me too. Shari We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition My name is Christy and I have a 12 month old son with Ds. I want to share the following information with your group. Last weekend I flew to New York City and watched the premiere of the documentary, " Changing a Mind. " Let me say, my reaction to the film was " WOW! " The potential of the research being done at Garner Lab at Stanford is absolutely amazing. If you have not looked at Garner Lab's website lately - you need to! Dr. Garner just posted A LOT of new information last week. Be sure to read through every page, every link - it is quite interesting. Please read the excerpt (from Garner Lab's website) I've pasted at the end of this email. It discusses how learning is impaired for individuals with Ds. In a nutshell, he has demonstrated in the Ds mouse model that the inhibitory communication in the brains of Ds mice is acting like a " parking brake " by being overactive and inhibiting learning. By turning it down (they are using a drug called PTZ in the lab - currently not available in the US) learning can better occur. It is based on this research that people are now giving their kids Ginkgo Biloba. It is the Bilobalide in the Ginkgo Biloba that works to " release the parking brake " ever so slightly. Dr. Garner is hopeful that the PTZ will have a much BETTER effect than the Ginkgo Biloba on the inhibitory pathways. Dr. Cody Cashion formulated the CMP treatment featured in the documentary. It is important to note that the BEST RESULTS occurred in the film when the Ginkgo Biloba was used IN CONJUNCTION with Prozac. According to the research referenced on the changingmindsfounda tion.com Research section, Prozac has been proven to have a neurogenesis effect on the brain (produce new neurons). This is an important component of the Protocol since it has been shown by autopsy that by six months of age, babies with Down syndrome have ONLY HALF of the number of neurons in the brain as a typical child. In the lab, when Prozac was given to mice their neuron count DOUBLED in 24 days (this article is also posted in the Research section on changingmindsfounda tion.com ). So basically, by increasing the neuron count AND " releasing the parking brake " on the inhibitory pathway - the kids in the film made tremendous progress. I was able to meet with Dr. Garner and discuss his current research for over an hour after the film. He truly has a passion to find an effective treatment to improve cognition in individuals with Down syndrome. I'm sure that many of you have the same questions I did, but here is the main one - WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS NEW DRUG THROUGH CLINICAL TRIAL AND TO MARKET? The answer is very simple - Money - approximately $3 - $5 million. This may sound like a lot, but really - it's not! There are 350,000 people with Ds living in the US. If each family of each person with Ds gave just $15 DIRECTLY to Dr. Garner's Ds Lab fund that would be over $5 million!! He could go forward with the process of conducting a proper clinical trial without having to jump through time consuming hoops to raise the money through alternate sources. The Changing Minds Foundation is also raising money to go toward Dr. Garner's research. Don't take my word for how impressive this research is - I'm not a scientist, I'm just a mom like you. Read all of the information for yourself at http://garnerlab. stanford. edu/ . Watch the 3 minute preview on www.changingmindsfo undation. org . Read the research posted on www.changingmindsfo undation. com .. Buy the DVD directly from their website for $35. Host a showing of the DVD at a local church or school as a fund raiser for this vital research! I would like to encourage each of you to do your part right now and write a check for at least $15 and send it to: Attn: Deborah Stinchfield, Stanford University, Office of Medical Development, 2700 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025. Make your check payable to Stanford University and BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CODE in the memo section (DHAYQ) - this designates your gift for the Garner Down Syndrome Fund. " Studies in the Garner lab have confirmed that in this mouse model of Down syndrome communication between two types of brain cells—excitatory and inhibitory neurons—is out of balance. There is too much inhibitory communication, which prevents learning from properly taking place. It's as if somebody forgot to release the parking break—the car just won't go. The Garner lab further investigated whether inhibitory communication between neurons could somehow be reduced in this mouse model. For this purpose, Down syndrome mice and normal mice were tested on two tasks that were designed to assess learning and memory. As expected, the Down syndrome mice performed significantly worse than the normal mice. The Down syndrome mice were then treated for several weeks with different drugs, which are known to reduce inhibitory communication. These drugs work by partially blocking a receptor located on the neurons called GABA A receptor. Blocking these receptors should reduce inhibitory communication, thereby increasing excitatory communication. When tested on the learning and memory tasks, the Down syndrome mice now performed almost as well as the normal mice. Even several weeks after drug treatment had been terminated, these mice still performed better. These results confirm that too much inhibitory communication between neurons indeed prevents learning from taking place in this mouse model of Down syndrome. Reducing this inhibition with specific drugs restores the balance between inhibitory and excitatory neurons so that learning can take place. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Judy how old is Reece? I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! / Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS (Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Reece is 3 1/2. I had my reservations about Prozac as well but our Pediatrician said that it is safe. Maybe it would help if you sent the Changing minds website and the Stanford site to your doctor. Judy Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS (Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 One more thing...I also sent the website to our Developmental Pediatrician. I haven't gotten her response yet but I'll let you know. Judy Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS (Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Fyi..I am sure that you have considered this carefully, but just wanted to mention the possible side effects of Prozac. What side effects may occur? Return to top Side effects cannot be anticipated. If any develop or change in intensity, inform your doctor as soon as possible. Only your doctor can determine if it is safe for you to continue taking Prozac. Side effects may include: Abnormal dreams, abnormal ejaculation, abnormal vision, anxiety, diarrhea, diminished sex drive, dizziness, dry mouth, flu-like symptoms, flushing, gas, headache, impotence, insomnia, itching, loss of appetite, nausea, nervousness, rash, sex-drive changes, sinusitis, sleepiness, sore throat, sweating, tremors, upset stomach, vomiting, weakness, yawning Why should Prozac not be prescribed? Return to top If you are sensitive to or have ever had an allergic reaction to Prozac or similar drugs, you should not take this medication. Make sure that your doctor is aware of any drug reactions that you have experienced. Do not take this drug while using an MAO inhibitor (see " Most important fact about this drug " ). You should also not use Prozac if you are taking thioridazine. Likewise, do not start taking thioridazine within 5 weeks of stopping Prozac. Special warnings about Prozac Return to top In clinical studies, antidepressants increased the risk of suicidal thinking and behavior in children and adolescents with depression and other psychiatric disorders. Anyone considering the use of Prozac or any other antidepressant in a child or adolescent must balance this risk with the clinical need. Prozac is approved for treating major depression in children 8 years and older and for treating obsessive-compulsive disorder in children 7 years and older. Additionally, the progression of major depression is associated with a worsening of symptoms and/or the emergence of suicidal thinking or behavior in both adults and children, whether or not they are taking antidepressants. Individuals being treated with Prozac and their caregivers should watch for any change in symptoms or any new symptoms that appear suddenly—especially agitation, anxiety, hostility, panic, restlessness, extreme hyperactivity, and suicidal thinking or behavior—and report them to the doctor immediately. Be especially observant at the beginning of treatment or whenever there is a change in dose. Unless you are directed to do so by your doctor, do not take this medication if you are recovering from a heart attack or if you have liver disease or diabetes. Prozac may cause you to become drowsy or less alert and may affect your judgment. Therefore, driving or operating dangerous machinery or participating in any hazardous activity that requires full mental alertness is not recommended. While taking this medication, you may feel dizzy or light-headed or actually faint when getting up from a lying or sitting position. If getting up slowly doesn't help or if this problem continues, notify your doctor. If you develop a skin rash or hives while taking Prozac, discontinue use of the medication and notify your doctor immediately. Prozac should be used with caution if you have a history of mania or seizures. You should discuss all of your medical conditions with your doctor before taking this medication. Prozac can occasionally cause decreased appetite and weight loss, especially in depressed people who are already underweight and in those with bulimia. If you notice changes in your weight or appetite, tell your doctor. Antidepressants such as Prozac could potentially cause stomach bleeding, especially when combined with nonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, and ketoprofen. Consult your doctor before combining Prozac with NSAIDs or blood-thinning medications. There have been rare reports of prolonged seizures in people who received electroconvulsive therapy (ECT) while taking Prozac. To date, there are no clinical studies establishing the benefit of combined treatment with Prozac and ECT. As with other SSRIs, Prozac therapy should be slowly tapered instead of abruptly stopped. If abruptly discontinued, drowsiness, irritability, agitation, anxiety, headache, and insomnia may occur. Possible food and drug interactions when taking Prozac Return to top Never take Prozac with MAO inhibitors or thioridazine (see " Most important fact about this drug " ). Do not drink alcohol while taking this medication. If Prozac is taken with certain other drugs, the effects of either could be increased, decreased, or altered. It is especially important to check with your doctor before combining Prozac with the following: AlprazolamAny other antidepressantsAspirinCarbamazepineClozapineepamDigitoxinDrugs that impair brain function, such as sleep aids and narcotic painkillersFlecainideHaloperidolLithiumNonsteroidal anti-inflammatory drugs (NSAIDs) such as aspirin, ibuprofen, naproxen, and ketoprofenPhenytoinPimozideSumatriptanTryptophanVinblastineWarfarin From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Müller Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 4:53 PM To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judy how old is Reece? I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! / Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 This is why everyone needs to send MONEY so they can do trials and then we can all use it if proves to be safe. Carol in ILMom to , 8 DS My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.VOTE NOBAMA '08Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition My name is Christy and I have a 12 month old son with Ds. I want to share the following information with your group. Last weekend I flew to New York City and watched the premiere of the documentary, "Changing a Mind." Let me say, my reaction to the film was "WOW!" The potential of the research being done at Garner Lab at Stanford is absolutely amazing. If you have not looked at Garner Lab's website lately - you need to! Dr. Garner just posted A LOT of new information last week. Be sure to read through every page, every link - it is quite interesting. Please read the excerpt (from Garner Lab's website) I've pasted at the end of this email. It discusses how learning is impaired for individuals with Ds. In a nutshell, he has demonstrated in the Ds mouse model that the inhibitory communication in the brains of Ds mice is acting like a "parking brake" by being overactive and inhibiting learning. By turning it down (they are using a drug called PTZ in the lab - currently not available in the US) learning can better occur. It is based on this research that people are now giving their kids Ginkgo Biloba. It is the Bilobalide in the Ginkgo Biloba that works to "release the parking brake" ever so slightly. Dr. Garner is hopeful that the PTZ will have a much BETTER effect than the Ginkgo Biloba on the inhibitory pathways. Dr. Cody Cashion formulated the CMP treatment featured in the documentary. It is important to note that the BEST RESULTS occurred in the film when the Ginkgo Biloba was used IN CONJUNCTION with Prozac. According to the research referenced on the changingmindsfounda tion.com Research section, Prozac has been proven to have a neurogenesis effect on the brain (produce new neurons). This is an important component of the Protocol since it has been shown by autopsy that by six months of age, babies with Down syndrome have ONLY HALF of the number of neurons in the brain as a typical child. In the lab, when Prozac was given to mice their neuron count DOUBLED in 24 days (this article is also posted in the Research section on changingmindsfounda tion.com ). So basically, by increasing the neuron count AND "releasing the parking brake" on the inhibitory pathway - the kids in the film made tremendous progress. I was able to meet with Dr. Garner and discuss his current research for over an hour after the film. He truly has a passion to find an effective treatment to improve cognition in individuals with Down syndrome. I'm sure that many of you have the same questions I did, but here is the main one - WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS NEW DRUG THROUGH CLINICAL TRIAL AND TO MARKET? The answer is very simple - Money - approximately $3 - $5 million. This may sound like a lot, but really - it's not! There are 350,000 people with Ds living in the US. If each family of each person with Ds gave just $15 DIRECTLY to Dr. Garner's Ds Lab fund that would be over $5 million!! He could go forward with the process of conducting a proper clinical trial without having to jump through time consuming hoops to raise the money through alternate sources. The Changing Minds Foundation is also raising money to go toward Dr. Garner's research. Don't take my word for how impressive this research is - I'm not a scientist, I'm just a mom like you. Read all of the information for yourself at http://garnerlab. stanford. edu/ . Watch the 3 minute preview on www.changingmindsfo undation. org . Read the research posted on www.changingmindsfo undation. com .. Buy the DVD directly from their website for $35. Host a showing of the DVD at a local church or school as a fund raiser for this vital research! I would like to encourage each of you to do your part right now and write a check for at least $15 and send it to: Attn: Deborah Stinchfield, Stanford University, Office of Medical Development, 2700 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025. Make your check payable to Stanford University and BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CODE in the memo section (DHAYQ) - this designates your gift for the Garner Down Syndrome Fund. "Studies in the Garner lab have confirmed that in this mouse model of Down syndrome communication between two types of brain cells—excitatory and inhibitory neurons—is out of balance. There is too much inhibitory communication, which prevents learning from properly taking place. It's as if somebody forgot to release the parking break—the car just won't go. The Garner lab further investigated whether inhibitory communication between neurons could somehow be reduced in this mouse model. For this purpose, Down syndrome mice and normal mice were tested on two tasks that were designed to assess learning and memory. As expected, the Down syndrome mice performed significantly worse than the normal mice. The Down syndrome mice were then treated for several weeks with different drugs, which are known to reduce inhibitory communication. These drugs work by partially blocking a receptor located on the neurons called GABA A receptor. Blocking these receptors should reduce inhibitory communication, thereby increasing excitatory communication. When tested on the learning and memory tasks, the Down syndrome mice now performed almost as well as the normal mice. Even several weeks after drug treatment had been terminated, these mice still performed better. These results confirm that too much inhibitory communication between neurons indeed prevents learning from taking place in this mouse model of Down syndrome. Reducing this inhibition with specific drugs restores the balance between inhibitory and excitatory neurons so that learning can take place." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I will definitely be sending $15.00 for this testing. I'm so glad I joined this list. This is amazing information! Thank you, Carolyn http://stores.ebay.com/ck-antiques_W0QQsspagenameZL2222QQtZkm We've gone co-op! Come and see our newest location at Black Diamond Antiques in the Schuylkill Mall, Frackville, PA! 'Don't worry about the world coming to an end today.It's already tomorrow in Australia ' ( Schultz) -- Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition This is why everyone needs to send MONEY so they can do trials and then we can all use it if proves to be safe. Carol in ILMom to , 8 DS My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.VOTE NOBAMA '08Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition My name is Christy and I have a 12 month old son with Ds. I want to share the following information with your group. Last weekend I flew to New York City and watched the premiere of the documentary, "Changing a Mind." Let me say, my reaction to the film was "WOW!" The potential of the research being done at Garner Lab at Stanford is absolutely amazing. If you have not looked at Garner Lab's website lately - you need to! Dr. Garner just posted A LOT of new information last week. Be sure to read through every page, every link - it is quite interesting. Please read the excerpt (from Garner Lab's website) I've pasted at the end of this email. It discusses how learning is impaired for individuals with Ds. In a nutshell, he has demonstrated in the Ds mouse model that the inhibitory communication in the brains of Ds mice is acting like a "parking brake" by being overactive and inhibiting learning. By turning it down (they are using a drug called PTZ in the lab - currently not available in the US) learning can better occur. It is based on this research that people are now giving their kids Ginkgo Biloba. It is the Bilobalide in the Ginkgo Biloba that works to "release the parking brake" ever so slightly. Dr. Garner is hopeful that the PTZ will have a much BETTER effect than the Ginkgo Biloba on the inhibitory pathways. Dr. Cody Cashion formulated the CMP treatment featured in the documentary. It is important to note that the BEST RESULTS occurred in the film when the Ginkgo Biloba was used IN CONJUNCTION with Prozac. According to the research referenced on the changingmindsfounda tion.com Research section, Prozac has been proven to have a neurogenesis effect on the brain (produce new neurons). This is an important component of the Protocol since it has been shown by autopsy that by six months of age, babies with Down syndrome have ONLY HALF of the number of neurons in the brain as a typical child. In the lab, when Prozac was given to mice their neuron count DOUBLED in 24 days (this article is also posted in the Research section on changingmindsfounda tion.com ). So basically, by increasing the neuron count AND "releasing the parking brake" on the inhibitory pathway - the kids in the film made tremendous progress. I was able to meet with Dr. Garner and discuss his current research for over an hour after the film. He truly has a passion to find an effective treatment to improve cognition in individuals with Down syndrome. I'm sure that many of you have the same questions I did, but here is the main one - WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS NEW DRUG THROUGH CLINICAL TRIAL AND TO MARKET? The answer is very simple - Money - approximately $3 - $5 million. This may sound like a lot, but really - it's not! There are 350,000 people with Ds living in the US. If each family of each person with Ds gave just $15 DIRECTLY to Dr. Garner's Ds Lab fund that would be over $5 million!! He could go forward with the process of conducting a proper clinical trial without having to jump through time consuming hoops to raise the money through alternate sources. The Changing Minds Foundation is also raising money to go toward Dr. Garner's research. Don't take my word for how impressive this research is - I'm not a scientist, I'm just a mom like you. Read all of the information for yourself at http://garnerlab. stanford. edu/ . Watch the 3 minute preview on www.changingmindsfo undation. org . Read the research posted on www.changingmindsfo undation. com . Buy the DVD directly from their website for $35. Host a showing of the DVD at a local church or school as a fund raiser for this vital research! I would like to encourage each of you to do your part right now and write a check for at least $15 and send it to: Attn: Deborah Stinchfield, Stanford University, Office of Medical Development, 2700 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025. Make your check payable to Stanford University and BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CODE in the memo section (DHAYQ) - this designates your gift for the Garner Down Syndrome Fund. "Studies in the Garner lab have confirmed that in this mouse model of Down syndrome communication between two types of brain cells—excitatory and inhibitory neurons—is out of balance. There is too much inhibitory communication, which prevents learning from properly taking place. It's as if somebody forgot to release the parking break—the car just won't go.The Garner lab further investigated whether inhibitory communication between neurons could somehow be reduced in this mouse model. For this purpose, Down syndrome mice and normal mice were tested on two tasks that were designed to assess learning and memory. As expected, the Down syndrome mice performed significantly worse than the normal mice. The Down syndrome mice were then treated for several weeks with different drugs, which are known to reduce inhibitory communication. These drugs work by partially blocking a receptor located on the neurons called GABA A receptor. Blocking these receptors should reduce inhibitory communication, thereby increasing excitatory communication. When tested on the learning and memory tasks, the Down syndrome mice now performed almost as well as the normal mice. Even several weeks after drug treatment had been terminated, these mice still performed better. These results confirm that too much inhibitory communication between neurons indeed prevents learning from taking place in this mouse model of Down syndrome. Reducing this inhibition with specific drugs restores the balance between inhibitory and excitatory neurons so that learning can take place." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I agree…I am chicken enough that I won’t use it for Danny yet, but I will send money for the trial, because it does sound promising. KathyR From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Carol in IL Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 5:14 PM To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition This is why everyone needs to send MONEY so they can do trials and then we can all use it if proves to be safe. Carol in IL Mom to , 8 DS My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me. VOTE NOBAMA '08 Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition My name is Christy and I have a 12 month old son with Ds. I want to share the following information with your group. Last weekend I flew to New York City and watched the premiere of the documentary, " Changing a Mind. " Let me say, my reaction to the film was " WOW! " The potential of the research being done at Garner Lab at Stanford is absolutely amazing. If you have not looked at Garner Lab's website lately - you need to! Dr. Garner just posted A LOT of new information last week. Be sure to read through every page, every link - it is quite interesting. Please read the excerpt (from Garner Lab's website) I've pasted at the end of this email. It discusses how learning is impaired for individuals with Ds. In a nutshell, he has demonstrated in the Ds mouse model that the inhibitory communication in the brains of Ds mice is acting like a " parking brake " by being overactive and inhibiting learning. By turning it down (they are using a drug called PTZ in the lab - currently not available in the US) learning can better occur. It is based on this research that people are now giving their kids Ginkgo Biloba. It is the Bilobalide in the Ginkgo Biloba that works to " release the parking brake " ever so slightly. Dr. Garner is hopeful that the PTZ will have a much BETTER effect than the Ginkgo Biloba on the inhibitory pathways. Dr. Cody Cashion formulated the CMP treatment featured in the documentary. It is important to note that the BEST RESULTS occurred in the film when the Ginkgo Biloba was used IN CONJUNCTION with Prozac. According to the research referenced on the changingmindsfounda tion.com Research section, Prozac has been proven to have a neurogenesis effect on the brain (produce new neurons). This is an important component of the Protocol since it has been shown by autopsy that by six months of age, babies with Down syndrome have ONLY HALF of the number of neurons in the brain as a typical child. In the lab, when Prozac was given to mice their neuron count DOUBLED in 24 days (this article is also posted in the Research section on changingmindsfounda tion.com ). So basically, by increasing the neuron count AND " releasing the parking brake " on the inhibitory pathway - the kids in the film made tremendous progress. I was able to meet with Dr. Garner and discuss his current research for over an hour after the film. He truly has a passion to find an effective treatment to improve cognition in individuals with Down syndrome. I'm sure that many of you have the same questions I did, but here is the main one - WHAT IS IT GOING TO TAKE TO GET THIS NEW DRUG THROUGH CLINICAL TRIAL AND TO MARKET? The answer is very simple - Money - approximately $3 - $5 million. This may sound like a lot, but really - it's not! There are 350,000 people with Ds living in the US. If each family of each person with Ds gave just $15 DIRECTLY to Dr. Garner's Ds Lab fund that would be over $5 million!! He could go forward with the process of conducting a proper clinical trial without having to jump through time consuming hoops to raise the money through alternate sources. The Changing Minds Foundation is also raising money to go toward Dr. Garner's research. Don't take my word for how impressive this research is - I'm not a scientist, I'm just a mom like you. Read all of the information for yourself at http://garnerlab. stanford. edu/ . Watch the 3 minute preview on www.changingmindsfo undation. org . Read the research posted on www.changingmindsfo undation. com . Buy the DVD directly from their website for $35. Host a showing of the DVD at a local church or school as a fund raiser for this vital research! I would like to encourage each of you to do your part right now and write a check for at least $15 and send it to: Attn: Deborah Stinchfield, Stanford University, Office of Medical Development, 2700 Sand Hill Road, Menlo Park, CA 94025. Make your check payable to Stanford University and BE SURE TO INCLUDE THE FOLLOWING CODE in the memo section (DHAYQ) - this designates your gift for the Garner Down Syndrome Fund. " Studies in the Garner lab have confirmed that in this mouse model of Down syndrome communication between two types of brain cells—excitatory and inhibitory neurons—is out of balance. There is too much inhibitory communication, which prevents learning from properly taking place. It's as if somebody forgot to release the parking break—the car just won't go. The Garner lab further investigated whether inhibitory communication between neurons could somehow be reduced in this mouse model. For this purpose, Down syndrome mice and normal mice were tested on two tasks that were designed to assess learning and memory. As expected, the Down syndrome mice performed significantly worse than the normal mice. The Down syndrome mice were then treated for several weeks with different drugs, which are known to reduce inhibitory communication. These drugs work by partially blocking a receptor located on the neurons called GABA A receptor. Blocking these receptors should reduce inhibitory communication, thereby increasing excitatory communication. When tested on the learning and memory tasks, the Down syndrome mice now performed almost as well as the normal mice. Even several weeks after drug treatment had been terminated, these mice still performed better. These results confirm that too much inhibitory communication between neurons indeed prevents learning from taking place in this mouse model of Down syndrome. Reducing this inhibition with specific drugs restores the balance between inhibitory and excitatory neurons so that learning can take place. " Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 I did consider it carefully....I don't even like giving Reece Tylenol. I appreciate the information though! By starting each medication individually, we'll be able to determine which ones (if any) are causing any side affects. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Do they recommend starting the different things so close together? From what I read today, sometimes it takes 4 weeks to see improvement in depression after starting Prozac..are the changes quicker in kids w/Ds? I saw improvement in Danny within a couple of weeks after starting him on Gingko. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 7:39 PM To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition I did consider it carefully....I don't even like giving Reece Tylenol. I appreciate the information though! By starting each medication individually, we'll be able to determine which ones (if any) are causing any side affects. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judy how old is Reece? I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! / Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 My understanding of Prozac for down syndrome is to to make more neurons since people with DS are born with 1/2 of what typical people are born with. I'm not sure how soon we would know more neurons have developed. On the Changing Minds sight they said that most people start all of the medicines at once. If Reece is having a side affect then it seems it would be hard to determine which of the ingredients is causing it. After reading about it again, maybe it would be better to give it a few weeks before adding a new item. As far as Prozac side affects, our doctor was telling us that the most common side affect is diarrhea. Reece is usually constipated so maybe it'll work out for him. I am putting a lot of trust in my doctor as he said all of the items in the protocol are safe. The next item on the list after Prozac is the body bio balanced oil. My dr doesn't know what that is and what's it's for so he's going to put in a call at Stanford. I feel pretty good knowing that our dr is going to be working with us closely on this. Listed below is what was sent to my husband. Changing Minds Protocol TM Frequently Asked Questions · How do I get started on the CMPTM Protocol Order of Importance Ginkgo Biloba Prozac Body Bio Balanced Oil Phosphatidyl Choline Focalin XR Folic acid/B12 Each part of the protocol is helpful, even by itself. However, the best results will not be received by just participating in one or two. We have found that the protocol works exponentially well together, given consistently and over a period of time. Therefore, all parts are integral to the total success and helping the body to work as effectively as possible. · Should I start everything at once? Most participants have started everything at once; however, you may find it better to start one at a time. This way you will see the independent results and it is easier to determine appropriate dosing if adding one substance at a time and allowing a few weeks before adding another. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Let us know what they say about the body bio balanced oil!Shari My understanding of Prozac for down syndrome is to to make more neurons since people with DS are born with 1/2 of what typical people are born with. I'm not sure how soon we would know more neurons have developed. On the Changing Minds sight they said that most people start all of the medicines at once. If Reece is having a side affect then it seems it would be hard to determine which of the ingredients is causing it. After reading about it again, maybe it would be better to give it a few weeks before adding a new item. As far as Prozac side affects, our doctor was telling us that the most common side affect is diarrhea. Reece is usually constipated so maybe it'll work out for him. I am putting a lot of trust in my doctor as he said all of the items in the protocol are safe. The next item on the list after Prozac is the body bio balanced oil. My dr doesn't know what that is and what's it's for so he's going to put in a call at Stanford. I feel pretty good knowing that our dr is going to be working with us closely on this. Listed below is what was sent to my husband. Changing Minds Protocol TM Frequently Asked Questions · How do I get started on the CMPTM Protocol Order of Importance Ginkgo Biloba Prozac Body Bio Balanced Oil Phosphatidyl Choline Focalin XR Folic acid/B12 Each part of the protocol is helpful, even by itself. However, the best results will not be received by just participating in one or two. We have found that the protocol works exponentially well together, given consistently and over a period of time. Therefore, all parts are integral to the total success and helping the body to work as effectively as possible. · Should I start everything at once? Most participants have started everything at once; however, you may find it better to start one at a time. This way you will see the independent results and it is easier to determine appropriate dosing if adding one substance at a time and allowing a few weeks before adding another. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! / Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Yeah, I think it is a good idea to start slow and see how each component is affecting him before adding another thing. Reece had had his thyroid checked, right? Danny was very constipated as a baby, but once we started him on thyroid meds (and digestive enzymes) he started having normal bms. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Saturday, September 27, 2008 11:56 PM To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition My understanding of Prozac for down syndrome is to to make more neurons since people with DS are born with 1/2 of what typical people are born with. I'm not sure how soon we would know more neurons have developed. On the Changing Minds sight they said that most people start all of the medicines at once. If Reece is having a side affect then it seems it would be hard to determine which of the ingredients is causing it. After reading about it again, maybe it would be better to give it a few weeks before adding a new item. As far as Prozac side affects, our doctor was telling us that the most common side affect is diarrhea. Reece is usually constipated so maybe it'll work out for him. I am putting a lot of trust in my doctor as he said all of the items in the protocol are safe. The next item on the list after Prozac is the body bio balanced oil. My dr doesn't know what that is and what's it's for so he's going to put in a call at Stanford. I feel pretty good knowing that our dr is going to be working with us closely on this. Listed below is what was sent to my husband. Changing Minds Protocol TM Frequently Asked Questions · How do I get started on the CMPTM Protocol Order of Importance Ginkgo Biloba Prozac Body Bio Balanced Oil Phosphatidyl Choline Focalin XR Folic acid/B12 Each part of the protocol is helpful, even by itself. However, the best results will not be received by just participating in one or two. We have found that the protocol works exponentially well together, given consistently and over a period of time. Therefore, all parts are integral to the total success and helping the body to work as effectively as possible. · Should I start everything at once? Most participants have started everything at once; however, you may find it better to start one at a time. This way you will see the independent results and it is easier to determine appropriate dosing if adding one substance at a time and allowing a few weeks before adding another. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judy how old is Reece? I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! / Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Yep, Reece is taking Synthroid. He's been non ambulatory up until a couple months ago so I'm sure that will change now that he's using a walker to get around. Oh, and he just learned to crawl 2 days ago....wooohooo! I'm really hoping that this treatment helps Reece. It seems like the gap between Reece and typical children is getting wider as he gets older. I'd sure like to to see it get closer. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Yep, Reece is taking Synthroid. He's been non ambulatory up until a couple months ago so I'm sure that will change now that he's using a walker to get around. Oh, and he just learned to crawl 2 days ago....wooohooo! I'm really hoping that this treatment helps Reece. It seems like the gap between Reece and typical children is getting wider as he gets older. I'd sure like to to see it get closer. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Hey, good for him!! We noticed a huge change in Danny(speechwise…longer sentences, etc) after he started the gingko…hope that the same thing happens for Reece. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:35 AM To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Yep, Reece is taking Synthroid. He's been non ambulatory up until a couple months ago so I'm sure that will change now that he's using a walker to get around. Oh, and he just learned to crawl 2 days ago....wooohooo! I'm really hoping that this treatment helps Reece. It seems like the gap between Reece and typical children is getting wider as he gets older. I'd sure like to to see it get closer. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judy how old is Reece? I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! / Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Hey, good for him!! We noticed a huge change in Danny(speechwise…longer sentences, etc) after he started the gingko…hope that the same thing happens for Reece. From: DownSyndromeInfoExchange [mailto:DownSyndromeInfoExchange ] On Behalf Of Judy Sent: Sunday, September 28, 2008 12:35 AM To: DownSyndromeInfoExchange Subject: Re: [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Yep, Reece is taking Synthroid. He's been non ambulatory up until a couple months ago so I'm sure that will change now that he's using a walker to get around. Oh, and he just learned to crawl 2 days ago....wooohooo! I'm really hoping that this treatment helps Reece. It seems like the gap between Reece and typical children is getting wider as he gets older. I'd sure like to to see it get closer. Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judy how old is Reece? I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! / Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Thanks, Kathy! I'll keep you posted! Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 27, 2008 Report Share Posted September 27, 2008 Thanks, Kathy! I'll keep you posted! Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judyhow old is Reece?I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us!/ Switzerland -- with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS(Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) Judy schrieb: We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! Judy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Judy, Prozac - most of the children are taking 10 mg. Results have been obtained with 5 mg. For a child only 3 1/2 years old, I would start with 5 mg. Since your son is so young, it may be advisable to wait a little longer with the prozac. But, you have to live in your own skin, and I know that it would be hard to wait if you have a doctor who is excited and ready to implement the protocol. Ginkgo - we are giving our son, , 300 mg of Ginkgold (2.85 mg/lb). suggests a minimum of 2.5 mg/lb. I'm thinking of raising it to 360 mg (3.3 mg/lb) but will wait for awhile. Focalin-XR - frankly, this one scares me the most. This is for attention, each child is different. I would not rush with the Focalin-XR. As far as the " order of importance " , you may wish to put the B6/B12 ahead of the Focalin-XR. All the best to you and your son, Marsha > > My understanding of Prozac for down syndrome is to to make more neurons since people with DS are born with 1/2 of what typical people are born with. I'm not sure how soon we would know more neurons have developed. On the Changing Minds sight they said that most people start all of the medicines at once. If Reece is having a side affect then it seems it would be hard to determine which of the ingredients is causing it. After reading about it again, maybe it would be better to give it a few weeks before adding a new item. As far as Prozac side affects, our doctor was telling us that the most common side affect is diarrhea. Reece is usually constipated so maybe it'll work out for him. I am putting a lot of trust in my doctor as he said all of the items in the protocol are safe. The next item on the list after Prozac is the body bio balanced oil. My dr doesn't know what that is and what's it's for so he's going to put in a > call at Stanford. I feel pretty good knowing that our dr is going to be working with us closely on this. > > Listed below is what was sent to my husband. > > > Changing Minds Protocol TM Frequently Asked Questions > · How do I get started on theCMPTM > Protocol Order of Importance > Ginkgo Biloba > Prozac > Body Bio Balanced Oil > Phosphatidyl Choline > Focalin XR > Folic acid/B12 > > Each part of the protocol is helpful, even by itself. However, the best results will not be received by just participating in one or two. We have found that the protocol works exponentially well together, given consistently and over a period of time. Therefore, all parts are integral to the total success and helping the body to work as effectively as possible. > > · Should I start everything at once? > Most participants have started everything at once; however, you may find it better to start one at a time. This way you will see the independent results and it is easier to determine appropriate dosing if adding one substance at a time and allowing a few weeks before adding another. > > > > Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition > > Judy > how old is Reece? > I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! > / Switzerland > > -- > > with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS > (Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) > > > Judy schrieb: > We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! > > Judy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 Judy, I'm glad that your doctor is willing to work closely with you on this! How exciting. I know that just seeing the word Prozac listed as something to give our kids scares a lot of parents. But I think that you and I have the right idea by taking it straight to our doctors first. And may I suggest to others that if your own doctor isn't familiar with or willing to work with you on this protocol to seek a second (or third) opinion. I didn't realize until investigating this recently that Prozac is sometimes prescribed for constipation! It seems that not only is most of our immune system in our gut, but it also has serotonin which when brought back into balance can help regulate bowel movements. I would also like to say that I was quite concerned about the " increased suicidal thoughts " side effect listed for Prozac. I asked a doctor about that also and he said that you have to keep in mind that this side effect was noticed in persons who already had suicidal or depression tendencies. My child doesn't have a depressed bone in his body right now. . . so I believe that the risk of this incidence would be minutely small. Good luck and let us how this works for your son. Christy > > My understanding of Prozac for down syndrome is to to make more neurons since people with DS are born with 1/2 of what typical people are born with. I'm not sure how soon we would know more neurons have developed. On the Changing Minds sight they said that most people start all of the medicines at once. If Reece is having a side affect then it seems it would be hard to determine which of the ingredients is causing it. After reading about it again, maybe it would be better to give it a few weeks before adding a new item. As far as Prozac side affects, our doctor was telling us that the most common side affect is diarrhea. Reece is usually constipated so maybe it'll work out for him. I am putting a lot of trust in my doctor as he said all of the items in the protocol are safe. The next item on the list after Prozac is the body bio balanced oil. My dr doesn't know what that is and what's it's for so he's going to put in a > call at Stanford. I feel pretty good knowing that our dr is going to be working with us closely on this. > > Listed below is what was sent to my husband. > > > Changing Minds Protocol TM Frequently Asked Questions > · How do I get started on theCMPTM > Protocol Order of Importance > Ginkgo Biloba > Prozac > Body Bio Balanced Oil > Phosphatidyl Choline > Focalin XR > Folic acid/B12 > > Each part of the protocol is helpful, even by itself. However, the best results will not be received by just participating in one or two. We have found that the protocol works exponentially well together, given consistently and over a period of time. Therefore, all parts are integral to the total success and helping the body to work as effectively as possible. > > · Should I start everything at once? > Most participants have started everything at once; however, you may find it better to start one at a time. This way you will see the independent results and it is easier to determine appropriate dosing if adding one substance at a time and allowing a few weeks before adding another. > > > > Re: [DownSyndromeInfoEx change] Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition > > Judy > how old is Reece? > I'm beginning to think this might something for our son as well, but he's only turning 4 this December. I can see the face of our paediatrician when we suggest Prozac - he'll kill us! > / Switzerland > > -- > > with Saskia, Nora-Jane*2001, *2004/DS > (Lemon flavored Codliver Oil, highly dosed CoenzymeQ10, Vit. A, buffered Vit. C + natural Vit. E, Raspberry flavored Folic Acid + B12, Selenium, Zinc, Probiotic, Ginkgo Biloba, Prilosec, Thyroxine) > > > Judy schrieb: > We are starting our son, Reece on this program. We're going to add each item one at a time to see the individual benefits. We're starting Gingko tomorrow and then on to Prozac next week. I'll be sure to let everyone know how Reece is progressing. Our Pedi strongly feels that Dr. Garner is on to something huge and he is so excited about it! > > Judy > > > > Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest guest Posted September 28, 2008 Report Share Posted September 28, 2008 This has been a great thread, enjoy reading it and will be anxiously awaiting the results of the trials and the resulting recommendations. I like to listen to the medical podcasts and they all say the same thing regarding the suicide risk of prozac- the stats are because of the population that typicaly takes it, not a side effect of the drug it's self.Also wanted to point out the SCD helps guts to work efficiently and there by improves immunity and serotonin levels. One of the big surprises of the diet was her huge increase in skills across the board. Exercise has been shown to increase serotonin and exposing your child to as many new experiences as possible, also helps to build neuronal connections. That's the route I have been taking and it's working very well. If this proves safe, we would use if for , but until then I will send money and wait. :-) Carol in ILMom to , 8 DS My problem is not how I look. It's how you see me.VOTE NOBAMA '08Join our Down Syndrome information group - http://health. groups.yahoo. com/group/ DownSyndromeInfo Exchange/ Listen to oldest dd's music http://www.myspace. com/vennamusic [DownSyndromeInfoExchange] Re: Stanford Ds Research Supports Possible Treatment to Improve Cognition Judy, I'm glad that your doctor is willing to work closely with you on this! How exciting. I know that just seeing the word Prozac listed as something to give our kids scares a lot of parents. But I think that you and I have the right idea by taking it straight to our doctors first. And may I suggest to others that if your own doctor isn't familiar with or willing to work with you on this protocol to seek a second (or third) opinion. I didn't realize until investigating this recently that Prozac is sometimes prescribed for constipation! It seems that not only is most of our immune system in our gut, but it also has serotonin which when brought back into balance can help regulate bowel movements. I would also like to say that I was quite concerned about the "increased suicidal thoughts" side effect listed for Prozac. I asked a doctor about that also and he said that you have to keep in mind that this side effect was noticed in persons who already had suicidal or depression tendencies. My child doesn't have a depressed bone in his body right now. . . so I believe that the risk of this incidence would be minutely small. Good luck and let us how this works for your son. Christy -- Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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