What is the state&#039;s issue for kid&#039;s being considered Autistic in the schools

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Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 4:04 PM

Subject: What is the state's issue for kid's being

considered Autistic in the schools

My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all the Dr doc. of her having

PDD but they still

are saying they that have to check with the school pyschologist to see if

she qualifies.

Thanks

Stacie

Magnolia ISD

February 16, 2008

Didn't we just establish with the Autism Insurance Bill that Autism was a

medical condition not a psychological one?

Man - these schools scare me with the amount of power they have over our

children and us as parents.

I just talked with a mom yesterday whose school principal CALLED her child's

therapist/clinician without the mom's permission.

It's getting scary and wacko out there for our kids!

asccnagla wrote:

Schools consider medical doctor's evaluations 'clinical' ones. They

want psychological evaluations instead.

Nagla

>

> My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all the Dr doc. of her

having PDD but they still

> are saying they that have to check with the school pyschologist to

see if she qualifies.

>

> Thanks

> Stacie

> Magnolia ISD

>

M. Guppy

Autism is a very silent world; but the potential in that world speaks

volumes.... Texas Autism Advocacy: www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

" There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right to

compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No one should live

in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive education. Everyone

should. We cannot determine who does and who does not get the right to make

their own choices and forge their own futures. All must. "

February 16, 2008

Well we presented our schools with evaluations by 3 pediatrics neurologist

(medical doctors) and still wanted to do their own evaluation. When it

comes schools, it is politics, beauracracy and no common sense.

Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

> Schools consider medical doctor's evaluations 'clinical' ones. They

> want psychological evaluations instead.

> Nagla

>

>>

>> My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all the Dr doc. of her

> having PDD but they still

>> are saying they that have to check with the school pyschologist to

> see if she qualifies.

>>

>> Thanks

>> Stacie

>> Magnolia ISD

>>

>

> Texas Autism Advocacy

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February 16, 2008

Totally agree and it sounds like alot of us have to retrieve this

battle kinda of like that movie " V " for Vendetta, really.

We've done it their way and it is not working, time for some positive

changes and we will come together to make a differences.

POWER! RESPECT & DIGNITY!!

Irma

>

> Well we presented our schools with evaluations by 3 pediatrics

neurologist

> (medical doctors) and still wanted to do their own evaluation. When it

> comes schools, it is politics, beauracracy and no common sense.

>

February 16, 2008

Unfortunately, they can stipulate that they need to do their own AU

evaluation in addition to " considering " (using that term loosely) your

private evaluations. And an AU evaluation is typically made by an AU team -

LSSP (psychologist), SLP, OT/PT, AT, etc. That is why they are referring to

seeing what the psychologist has to say I would suspect. And it is with the

AU evaluation that they will determine if the child meets TEA criteria (not

medical criteria per DSM TR IV) for an AU eligibility. Been around this

situation too often with our youngest son - diagnosed with Asperger's yet he

does not meet TEA criteria for AU.

Amy A. Sosa

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[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Mouser

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:08 AM

Subject: Re: Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

Well we presented our schools with evaluations by 3 pediatrics neurologist

(medical doctors) and still wanted to do their own evaluation. When it

comes schools, it is politics, beauracracy and no common sense.

February 16, 2008

What I found out that a " school psychologist " does not necessarily have a

PhD. In other world, the title is symbolic.

Re: Re: What is the state's issue for

> kid's

> being considered Autistic in the schools

>

> Well we presented our schools with evaluations by 3 pediatrics neurologist

> (medical doctors) and still wanted to do their own evaluation. When it

> comes schools, it is politics, beauracracy and no common sense.

>

February 16, 2008

There is a state certification for Licensed Specialist in School

Psychologists (LSSP's). Typically, these individuals will also be certified

as licensed professional counselors (LPC), licensed marriage and family

therapists (LMFT), etc. Some will go on to further their education to get

their doctorates.

Here is a link to UTA Department of Educational Psychology website that will

better explain the doctoral programs for school psychologists to earn their

PhD.

Amy A. Sosa

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[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Mouser

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:43 AM

http://www.tsbep.state.tx.us/licensed.html

Subject: Re: Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

What I found out that a " school psychologist " does not necessarily have a

PhD. In other world, the title is symbolic.

February 16, 2008

I once interviewed a " school psychologist " to work with my son on his

home-school program, and he told me that he neither has a master nor PhD.

He was licensed as a school psychologist though.

Either way, it is not that important to me. It was just misleading to the

average Joe.

Re: Re: What is the state's issue for

> kid's

> being considered Autistic in the schools

>

> What I found out that a " school psychologist " does not necessarily have a

> PhD. In other world, the title is symbolic.

>

February 16, 2008

I didn't get the link, but maybe this is what Amy was talking about:

D. Licensed Specialist in School Psychology (Independent Practice in Public

Schools after One Year of Licensure)

Requires completion of a training program in school psychology

approved/accredited by the American Psychological Association or the

National Association of School Psychologists or a master's degree in

psychology with specified course work.

Requires passage of the National School Psychology Examination at the score

of 660

Requires passage of the Jurisprudence Examination at 90%

Board rule 463.19.

License renewals:

http://www.tsbep.state.tx.us/education.html

Tonya

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Amy A.Sosa

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:52 AM

Subject: RE: Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

There is a state certification for Licensed Specialist in School

Psychologists (LSSP's). Typically, these individuals will also be certified

as licensed professional counselors (LPC), licensed marriage and family

therapists (LMFT), etc. Some will go on to further their education to get

their doctorates.

Here is a link to UTA Department of Educational Psychology website that will

better explain the doctoral programs for school psychologists to earn their

PhD.

Amy A. Sosa

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amy.sosa@... <mailto:amy.sosa%40verizon.net>

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Subject: Re: Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

What I found out that a " school psychologist " does not necessarily have a

PhD. In other world, the title is symbolic.

February 16, 2008

,

I think the reasoning for the clinical VS psychological evaluations

has to do with academic VS medical needs. I do understand what

you're saying about autism being classified as a medical disorder.

I am not sure whether for school purposes that's helpful or not since

asthma is medical but it does not directly affect how you learn.

On th other hand, cerbal palsy is medical but it needs some

educational accomodations and therapies. Same with Down Syndrome, I

wonder how the UCP and DS guild advocates deal with this issue at

school ARDs?

Anyone have any ideas?

Nagla

> >

> > My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all the Dr doc. of

her

> having PDD but they still

> > are saying they that have to check with the school pyschologist

to

> see if she qualifies.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Stacie

> > Magnolia ISD

> >

>

> M. Guppy

> Autism is a very silent world; but the potential in that world

speaks volumes.... Texas Autism Advocacy:

> " There are some aspects of a person's life that we have no right

to compromise. We cannot negotiate the size of an institution. No

one should live in one. We cannot debate who should get an inclusive

education. Everyone should. We cannot determine who does and who

does not get the right to make their own choices and forge their own

futures. All must. "

>

February 16, 2008

HA - it would help if I did put the link into the email. Tonya's link is

excellent. The one I found only talks about what a doctoral student would

be expected to learn. Thanks Tonya - I am going to do a bit of research on

your link for certain unsavory!

http://edpsych.edb.utexas.edu/admissions/school.php

Amy A. Sosa

amy.sosa@...

Coppell, Texas

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[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Tonya Hettler

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:40 PM

http://www.tsbep. <http://www.tsbep.state.tx.us/licensed.html>

Subject: RE: Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

I didn't get the link, but maybe this is what Amy was talking about:

state.tx.us/licensed.html

February 16, 2008

No problem, it's a team effort!! J

Tonya

[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On Behalf Of Amy A.Sosa

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 3:08 PM

http://edpsych.edb.utexas.edu/admissions/school.php

Subject: RE: Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

HA - it would help if I did put the link into the email. Tonya's link is

excellent. The one I found only talks about what a doctoral student would

be expected to learn. Thanks Tonya - I am going to do a bit of research on

your link for certain unsavory!

Amy A. Sosa

<mailto:amy.sosa@... <mailto:amy.sosa%40verizon.net> >

amy.sosa@... <mailto:amy.sosa%40verizon.net>

Coppell, Texas

Home/Office -

Fax -

Cell -

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[mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy

<mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy%40yahoogroups.com> ] On Behalf Of Tonya

Hettler

Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 2:40 PM

http://www.tsbep. <http://www.tsbep.state.tx.us/licensed.html>

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Subject: RE: Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

I didn't get the link, but maybe this is what Amy was talking about:

state.tx.us/licensed.html

February 16, 2008

We took in the eval from the phsyc dr. But they did

their own eval last year when she was on stimulant

medications. And the AU team did not have a clue it

was a diag that wew went round and round with during

three years in PPCD a speech therapist, an OT and the

school psyc. that is clueless and then half these

people know her and she is a pleasure.

Stacie

--- " Amy A.Sosa " wrote:

> Unfortunately, they can stipulate that they need to

> do their own AU

> evaluation in addition to " considering " (using that

> term loosely) your

> private evaluations. And an AU evaluation is

> typically made by an AU team -

> LSSP (psychologist), SLP, OT/PT, AT, etc. That is

> why they are referring to

> seeing what the psychologist has to say I would

> suspect. And it is with the

> AU evaluation that they will determine if the child

> meets TEA criteria (not

> medical criteria per DSM TR IV) for an AU

> eligibility. Been around this

> situation too often with our youngest son -

> diagnosed with Asperger's yet he

> does not meet TEA criteria for AU.

>

> Amy A. Sosa

>

> amy.sosa@...

>

> Coppell, Texas

>

> Home/Office -

>

> Fax -

>

> Cell -

>

> _____

>

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>

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> [mailto:Texas-Autism-Advocacy ] On

> Behalf Of Mouser

> Sent: Saturday, February 16, 2008 11:08 AM

> To: Texas-Autism-Advocacy

> Subject: Re: Re: What is the

> state's issue for kid's

> being considered Autistic in the schools

>

> Well we presented our schools with evaluations by 3

> pediatrics neurologist

> (medical doctors) and still wanted to do their own

> evaluation. When it

> comes schools, it is politics, beauracracy and no

> common sense.

>

> [Non-text portions of this message have been

> removed]

>

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February 17, 2008

They want " educational " ones. I had a child psych. evaluation in my hand

when my son was dismissed from special ed. They didn't see an " educational "

need.

Anne

-- Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

Schools consider medical doctor's evaluations 'clinical' ones. They

want psychological evaluations instead.

Nagla

>

> My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all the Dr doc. of her

having PDD but they still

> are saying they that have to check with the school pyschologist to

see if she qualifies.

>

> Thanks

> Stacie

> Magnolia ISD

>

Texas Autism Advocacy

www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

Texas Disability Network

Calendar of Events

www.TexasAutismAdvocacy.org

February 17, 2008

Did you disagree, and, if so, request an IEE? Schools don't hold all

the cards.

> >

> > My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all the Dr doc. of her

> having PDD but they still

> > are saying they that have to check with the school pyschologist to

> see if she qualifies.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Stacie

> > Magnolia ISD

> >

>

> Texas Autism Advocacy

>

> Texas Disability Network

> Calendar of Events

>

February 17, 2008

I did disagree, but did not request an IEE.

Anne

-- Re: What is the state's issue for kid's

being considered Autistic in the schools

Did you disagree, and, if so, request an IEE? Schools don't hold all

the cards.

> >

> > My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all the Dr doc. of her

> having PDD but they still

> > are saying they that have to check with the school pyschologist to

> see if she qualifies.

> >

> > Thanks

> > Stacie

> > Magnolia ISD

> >

>

> Texas Autism Advocacy

>

> Texas Disability Network

> Calendar of Events

>

February 17, 2008

What is an IEE?

Stacie

--- Anne wrote:

> I did disagree, but did not request an IEE.

>

> Anne

>

> -- Re: What is the

> state's issue for kid's

> being considered Autistic in the schools

>

> Did you disagree, and, if so, request an IEE?

> Schools don't hold all

> the cards.

>

> > >

> > > My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all

> the Dr doc. of her

> > having PDD but they still

> > > are saying they that have to check with the

> school pyschologist to

> > see if she qualifies.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Stacie

> > > Magnolia ISD

> > >

> >

> > Texas Autism Advocacy

> >

> > Texas Disability Network

> > Calendar of Events

> >

February 17, 2008

indepedant eval

tim holt wrote: What is an IEE?

Stacie

--- Anne wrote:

> I did disagree, but did not request an IEE.

>

> Anne

>

> -- Re: What is the

> state's issue for kid's

> being considered Autistic in the schools

>

> Did you disagree, and, if so, request an IEE?

> Schools don't hold all

> the cards.

>

> > >

> > > My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all

> the Dr doc. of her

> > having PDD but they still

> > > are saying they that have to check with the

> school pyschologist to

> > see if she qualifies.

> > >

> > > Thanks

> > > Stacie

> > > Magnolia ISD

> > >

> >

> > Texas Autism Advocacy

> >

> > Texas Disability Network

> > Calendar of Events

> >

February 18, 2008

is where i write to the school and have one done with

someone that is not involved with the school or us?

--- A Chapman wrote:

> indepedant eval

>

> tim holt wrote:

> What is an IEE?

> Stacie

> --- Anne wrote:

>

> > I did disagree, but did not request an IEE.

> >

> > Anne

> >

> > -- Re: What is the

> > state's issue for kid's

> > being considered Autistic in the schools

> >

> > Did you disagree, and, if so, request an IEE?

> > Schools don't hold all

> > the cards.

> >

> > > >

> > > > My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in

> all

> > the Dr doc. of her

> > > having PDD but they still

> > > > are saying they that have to check with the

> > school pyschologist to

> > > see if she qualifies.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Stacie

> > > > Magnolia ISD

> > > >

> > >

> > > Texas Autism Advocacy

> > >

> > > Texas Disability Network

> > > Calendar of Events

> > >

February 18, 2008

Yes, Stacie. You are not bound to accept the school's

diagnosis/findings. You have the legal right to disagree. The school

will have to cover the cost of an IEE.

February 19, 2008

I had one too and I asked my school psychologist when they do not

accept it from an outside source. SHe stated that when they observe

something different in the child, they question it. Did you ask them

what difference they saw that she was not learning disabled?

> > > >

> > > > My daughter's ARD was to day and we took in all

> > the Dr doc. of her

> > > having PDD but they still

> > > > are saying they that have to check with the

> > school pyschologist to

> > > see if she qualifies.

> > > >

> > > > Thanks

> > > > Stacie

> > > > Magnolia ISD

> > > >

> > >

> > > Texas Autism Advocacy

> > >

> > > Texas Disability Network

> > > Calendar of Events