Re: Federal Court Hears Appeal Against Local Scout Troop

[Guest guest]

This is the telling part to me: I don't recall this being anything that's part

of expected

" normal " behavior for the label of Asperger's/Autistic. This sounds more like

an

anger/ODD issue. Unless, of course, he's constantly being egged on by bullies,

and this is

the reaction... without knowing that, this sounds more like bully behavior with

this kid

being the bully, really. I've run into a younger kid at church that had what

seemed like

similar behavior, who was no older than 7 at the time, and seemed to take

pleasure in

causing other's pain: I know he walked up at church and punched my friend in the

nuts

without warning or anything resembling cause, and one Sunday he got in my face

and spit

in it-- point blank, again, with no cause or warning. He's either a late teen

by this time,

or he's just late, because he did something to someone that had that person

react by

sufficiently extreme force. If he was this way to adults, in front of his

father, I hate to

think how much he terrorized other kids...

If I'd had the same situation, as a member of such a troop, I certainly wouldn't

want

someone like this with me that's unrestrained in my presence. I wonder if

there's more to

this than this article covers?

<SNIP>

>

> Reilly, who has outbursts where he spits, kicks and swears at the

> other children, requires additional supervision, Kerr said. Fathers,

> who volunteer to run Boy Scouts, would have had difficulty

> supervising him and the other 12- to 15-year-old boys during the

> seven-day trip.

>

<SNIP>

[Guest guest]

>

> This is the telling part to me: I don't recall this being anything

that's part of expected

> " normal " behavior for the label of Asperger's/Autistic. This

sounds more like an

> anger/ODD issue. Unless, of course, he's constantly being egged on

by bullies, and this is

> the reaction... without knowing that, this sounds more like bully

behavior with this kid

> being the bully, really. > <SNIP>

> >

> > Reilly, who has outbursts where he spits, kicks and swears at the

> > other children, requires additional supervision, Kerr said.

Fathers,

> > who volunteer to run Boy Scouts, would have had difficulty

> > supervising him and the other 12- to 15-year-old boys during the

> > seven-day trip.

> >

> <SNIP>

>

It is hard to say; Aspergers usually produces a withdrawn

presentment) but boys can become violent quickly if on behavior meds

(It is my belief that the meds may increase testosterone as a side

effect and make them more agressive)

Ravi used to kick as a respose to over excitement(he has changed a

considerable amount)

Also if he has a low tolerance to losing (ravi will cry and throw his

remote if he loses a game to himself) He will even say he is a loser

and cry(I tell him to practise and play again) over time the

outbursts have lessoned, but Ravi is on no medication(a boy in his

school is on medication and he is far more likely to hit)

Anger can be tied to frustration(It is very easy to make our children

sound like monsters taken out of context) He may be seeing

ineraction through behavior (we would have to know what sets him off)

The media can often skew a feeling by taking an event out of context,

or he could be angry at his home situation.

It is too easy to become a victim of media (More bullying)great

[Guest guest]

I would agree...unless he has comorbid Tourette's which does sound

like a possibility (except for the kicking piece...which I guess

could be random leg movements).

>

> This is the telling part to me: I don't recall this being anything

that's part of expected

> " normal " behavior for the label of Asperger's/Autistic. This

sounds more like an

> anger/ODD issue. Unless, of course, he's constantly being egged on

by bullies, and this is

> the reaction... without knowing that, this sounds more like bully

behavior with this kid

> being the bully, really. I've run into a younger kid at church

that had what seemed like

> similar behavior, who was no older than 7 at the time, and seemed

to take pleasure in

> causing other's pain: I know he walked up at church and punched my

friend in the nuts

> without warning or anything resembling cause, and one Sunday he got

in my face and spit

> in it-- point blank, again, with no cause or warning. He's either

a late teen by this time,

> or he's just late, because he did something to someone that had

that person react by

> sufficiently extreme force. If he was this way to adults, in front

of his father, I hate to

> think how much he terrorized other kids...

>

> If I'd had the same situation, as a member of such a troop, I

certainly wouldn't want

> someone like this with me that's unrestrained in my presence. I

wonder if there's more to

> this than this article covers?

>

> <SNIP>

> >

> > Reilly, who has outbursts where he spits, kicks and swears at the

> > other children, requires additional supervision, Kerr said.

Fathers,

> > who volunteer to run Boy Scouts, would have had difficulty

> > supervising him and the other 12- to 15-year-old boys during the

> > seven-day trip.

> >

> <SNIP>

>

[Guest guest]

I would agree...unless he has comorbid Tourette's which does sound

like a possibility (except for the kicking piece...which I guess

could be random leg movements).

>

> This is the telling part to me: I don't recall this being anything

that's part of expected

> " normal " behavior for the label of Asperger's/Autistic. This

sounds more like an

> anger/ODD issue. Unless, of course, he's constantly being egged on

by bullies, and this is

> the reaction... without knowing that, this sounds more like bully

behavior with this kid

> being the bully, really. I've run into a younger kid at church

that had what seemed like

> similar behavior, who was no older than 7 at the time, and seemed

to take pleasure in

> causing other's pain: I know he walked up at church and punched my

friend in the nuts

> without warning or anything resembling cause, and one Sunday he got

in my face and spit

> in it-- point blank, again, with no cause or warning. He's either

a late teen by this time,

> or he's just late, because he did something to someone that had

that person react by

> sufficiently extreme force. If he was this way to adults, in front

of his father, I hate to

> think how much he terrorized other kids...

>

> If I'd had the same situation, as a member of such a troop, I

certainly wouldn't want

> someone like this with me that's unrestrained in my presence. I

wonder if there's more to

> this than this article covers?

>

> <SNIP>

> >

> > Reilly, who has outbursts where he spits, kicks and swears at the

> > other children, requires additional supervision, Kerr said.

Fathers,

> > who volunteer to run Boy Scouts, would have had difficulty

> > supervising him and the other 12- to 15-year-old boys during the

> > seven-day trip.

> >

> <SNIP>

>