[SPAM]Re: [SPAM]Re: Re: Speech & Behavioral Therapist-Houston

[Guest guest]

They could easily be left out as ABA looks at overt behaviors - ones that can

be described and seen by the naked eye so that they can a) be replicated and

observed by others and data recorded that is objective because it is only based

on what is seen. So in that case, I could easily see that children can look

" indistinguishable " because only behavior is being recorded i.e. How many times

the child initiated, did they play with a certain toy, did they answer questions

when asked...but those are just surface behaviors - important, but for me not

enough and do not look at other things like reflective thought, creativity,

ideation etc...that are addressed by other approaches. Quite frankly, their are

situations that if the right environment was created, my son could look

indistinguishable - and he is soooo far from that, so in the context of a first

grade classroom - I could see that - but I want to know how well these children

work in small groups on

open ended tasks, how well do they pick up on nonverbal cues, can they be

creative, can they think outside the box...etc...and, more importantly, what do

they look like as they enter middle school...

Re: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Re: Speech & Behavioral

> Therapist-Houston

>

> Did the Meyer Center not tell you about their Bridges Program for children

>

> up to 7 years old? Bridges is a comprehensive therapeutic program that

> provides floortime, speech and language, occupational and physical therapy

> for

> children with developmental challenges and their families.

>

> _http://www.texaschi ldrens.org/ carecenters/ Bridges/faqs. aspx_

> (http://www.texaschi ldrens.org/ carecenters/ Bridges/faqs. aspx)

>

> CReece

>

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[Guest guest]

If you do not know anything about how DIR works, then why do you find it strange

that they would choose DIR over ABA? You can only think it odd if you had some

working knowledge of the approach. rather than dismissing it off hand without

first understanding the principles upon which it is based. The concepts that

Staci outlined below can be taught to children - young and old alike - because

the developmental process is taken into account - just by doing that, you have

broken complex concepts down but are, nevertheless, teaching such higher level

thought processes such as comparative thought and reflective thinking - the

difference is is that it is rooted in a context that has meaning to the child -

generalization is built in and becomes unnecessary oftentimes, because it has

already been taken into account. Learning how to stay calm and regulated is the

touchstone upon which all the other principles and learning takes place - and

this is not about

extinguishing behaviors, and dealing with each new one that crops up as a

result, but truly identifying what it is about the sensory environment that is

dysregulating the child and teaching them how to adjust to it so that they are

then capable of learning. As a behavior analyst, I would encourage you to learn

about other methodologies - like Floortime, occupational therapy etc...if you

really want to afford your clientele a comprehensive program that helps in all

areas. My new BCBA is wonderful because she recognizes the value of her chosen

profession but also recognizes its limitations and is willing to learn new

approaches to better meets the needs of the children she is working with.

Re: [Texas-Autism- Advocacy] Re: Speech & Behavioral

> > Therapist-Houston

> >

> > Did the Meyer Center not tell you about their Bridges Program

for children

> >

> > up to 7 years old? Bridges is a comprehensive therapeutic

program that

> > provides floortime, speech and language, occupational and

physical therapy

> > for

> > children with developmental challenges and their families.

> >

> > _http://www.texaschi ldrens.org/ carecenters/ Bridges/faqs. aspx_

> > (http://www.texaschi ldrens.org/ carecenters/ Bridges/faqs. aspx)

> >

> > CReece

> >

> > ************ **It's Tax Time! Get tips, forms, and advice on AOL

Money &

> > Finance. (http://money. aol.com/tax? NCID=aolprf00030 000000001)

> >

> >

[Guest guest]

Based on Texas law, I think only kids under 6 would get a

prescription for ABA, and for the large numbers of kids with GI pain

it would not even be close to the best use of money.

>

> The argument has never been, from my perspective, over which

>

> approach is better.

>

>

>

> The point that I have been unsuccessfully trying to make is that

>

> ABA has solid, good research to back it up. Floortime and DIR

>

> and RDI don't. I just get really annoyed seeing them lumped

>

> in together as if an Equivalent amount of work had gone into

>

> both, and it simply hasn't.

>

>

>

> In fact, I often see ABA vilified by parents and professionals

>

> outside the behavioral field, so part of my reaction is to that.

>

>

>

> If ABA were a drug with the same amount of research behind

>

> it, EVERY child would leave the Doctor's office with a

>

> prescription for ABA. Every child.

>

> S.

>

>

>

> " Most people say that is it is the intellect which makes a great

scientist.

>

> They are wrong: it is character. "

>

> Albert Einstein

>

>

>

> I do not know why we have to have this argument periodically over

which one

> is better than the other.

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

No matter what therapies you decide to go with for your child, if they are

in physical pain - biomedical should be the first! It would be difficult

for a child to gain much from any therapies until they are treated and

feeling better. Good point!

> Based on Texas law, I think only kids under 6 would get a

> prescription for ABA, and for the large numbers of kids with GI pain

> it would not even be close to the best use of money.

>

>

> >

> > The argument has never been, from my perspective, over which

> >

> > approach is better.

> >

> >

> >

> > The point that I have been unsuccessfully trying to make is that

> >

> > ABA has solid, good research to back it up. Floortime and DIR

> >

> > and RDI don't. I just get really annoyed seeing them lumped

> >

> > in together as if an Equivalent amount of work had gone into

> >

> > both, and it simply hasn't.

> >

> >

> >

> > In fact, I often see ABA vilified by parents and professionals

> >

> > outside the behavioral field, so part of my reaction is to that.

> >

> >

> >

> > If ABA were a drug with the same amount of research behind

> >

> > it, EVERY child would leave the Doctor's office with a

> >

> > prescription for ABA. Every child.

> >

> > S.

> >

> >

> >

> > " Most people say that is it is the intellect which makes a great

> scientist.

> >

> > They are wrong: it is character. "

> >

> > Albert Einstein

> >

> >

> >

> > I do not know why we have to have this argument periodically over

> which one

> > is better than the other.

> >

> >

> >

> >