Re: PolyEm, PolyGel...a difference?

[Guest guest]

I'm not expert on this but I've used these products a bit and can answer some of

your questions but not all.

Yes...phenonip and or germabenII at .7 to 1% works in both.

If you take a whiff of the either poly gel or poly em....you will know the stuff

is acidic.. it smells almost vinegary.

I've also used TEA (Triethanolamine) in a 1:1 proportion to neutralize these

products. its much easier than mixing a 20% solution of lye.

PolyEm, PolyGel...a difference?

One a vendor site they list PolyEm as acrylates/C10, alykl acrylate

and they list PolyGel also as acrylates/C10, alykl acrylate.

Are they selling the same thing but just with different mixing instructions,

or is the ratio of the ingredients different, thus making two different

things?

Also, the instructions for neutralizing the product call for NaOH and water.

OK....that is clear enough but for some reason I am taking the alykl as

meaning alkaline in some way. I am assuming my assumption is wrong

and just want clarification that NaOH is indeed the neutralizing agent.

I am on digest and would appreciate a person response as well as the

list response. Thank you. = )

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[Guest guest]

Hi,

Yes, they are different yet share the same INCI designation.

They both have a pH of around 3.5 and it needs to be raised in

order to work.

While I put these on the market over 2 years ago I have recently

chosen to discontinue both to the general public.

My reasons are:

1. Various other people began to get interested and offer co-ops

without the benifit of having any knowledge of the raw materials, or

would present these co-ops as being affiliated with me which they

were not, or would co-op a similar but not same product.

Now I understand that biz is biz but I got a little tired of

getting e-mail from people who are not customers asking for my

recipies/formula's or for help on my 800 number which costs me money.

2. Far more serious - that there are a lot of people who do not

follow the directions and misue the product. From the type problems I

have heard it became apparent that people have actually used straight

lye instead of making a solution because they skipped the first page

entirely - the effect was more of a hair remover than lotion. (Or

they use far too much solution and end up with water.)

I don't need/want the liability that can arise from this - quite

frankly it scares me.

So, I will be substituting these ingredients with others which do

not require any neutralizing and reformatting the recipies/formula's.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Jen for what its worth.

I found the poly gel and poly em a breeze to work with.I've used both lye

solution and TEA to neutralize with.

I've made the most incredible stuff with those products! I have a list as long

as my arm of more stuff I've dreamed up.

Its neat stuff..Easy to use..and makes incredible product.

I would urge you not to totally discontinue them. They really are wonderful.

Sutton

Re: PolyEm, PolyGel...a difference?

Hi,

Yes, they are different yet share the same INCI designation.

They both have a pH of around 3.5 and it needs to be raised in

order to work.

While I put these on the market over 2 years ago I have recently

chosen to discontinue both to the general public.

My reasons are:

1. Various other people began to get interested and offer co-ops

without the benifit of having any knowledge of the raw materials, or

would present these co-ops as being affiliated with me which they

were not, or would co-op a similar but not same product.

Now I understand that biz is biz but I got a little tired of

getting e-mail from people who are not customers asking for my

recipies/formula's or for help on my 800 number which costs me money.

2. Far more serious - that there are a lot of people who do not

follow the directions and misue the product. From the type problems I

have heard it became apparent that people have actually used straight

lye instead of making a solution because they skipped the first page

entirely - the effect was more of a hair remover than lotion. (Or

they use far too much solution and end up with water.)

I don't need/want the liability that can arise from this - quite

frankly it scares me.

So, I will be substituting these ingredients with others which do

not require any neutralizing and reformatting the recipies/formula's.

Jen

[Guest guest]

Good stuff, Thanks

--- Sutton wrote:

> Jen for what its worth.

>

> I found the poly gel and poly em a breeze to work

> with.I've used both lye solution and TEA to

> neutralize with.

>

> I've made the most incredible stuff with those

> products! I have a list as long as my arm of more

> stuff I've dreamed up.

>

> Its neat stuff..Easy to use..and makes incredible

> product.

>

> I would urge you not to totally discontinue them.

> They really are wonderful.

>

> Sutton

> Re: PolyEm, PolyGel...a

> difference?

>

>

> Hi,

> Yes, they are different yet share the same

> INCI designation.

> They both have a pH of around 3.5 and it

> needs to be raised in

> order to work.

> While I put these on the market over 2 years

> ago I have recently

> chosen to discontinue both to the general public.

>

> My reasons are:

>

>

> 1. Various other people began to get interested

> and offer co-ops

> without the benifit of having any knowledge of the

> raw materials, or

> would present these co-ops as being affiliated

> with me which they

> were not, or would co-op a similar but not same

> product.

> Now I understand that biz is biz but I got a

> little tired of

> getting e-mail from people who are not customers

> asking for my

> recipies/formula's or for help on my 800 number

> which costs me money.

>

> 2. Far more serious - that there are a lot of

> people who do not

> follow the directions and misue the product. From

> the type problems I

> have heard it became apparent that people have

> actually used straight

> lye instead of making a solution because they

> skipped the first page

> entirely - the effect was more of a hair remover

> than lotion. (Or

> they use far too much solution and end up with

> water.)

> I don't need/want the liability that can arise

> from this - quite

> frankly it scares me.

> So, I will be substituting these ingredients

> with others which do

> not require any neutralizing and reformatting the

> recipies/formula's.

>

> Jen

>

>

>

>

[Guest guest]

>ÿÿÿÿ Yes, they are different yet share the same INCI designation.

>ÿÿÿÿ They both have a pH of around 3.5 and it needs to be raised in

>order to work.

>ÿÿÿÿ While I put these on the market over 2 years ago I have recently

>chosen to discontinue both to the general public.ÿ

>ÿÿÿÿ My reasons are:

>

>

>1.ÿ Various other people began to get interested and offer co-ops

>without the benifit of having any knowledge of the raw materials, or

>would present these co-ops as being affiliated with me which they

>were not, or would co-op a similar but not same product.ÿ

>ÿÿÿ Now I understand that biz is biz but I got a little tired of

>getting e-mail from people who are not customers asking for my

>recipies/formula's or for help on my 800 number which costs me money.

>

>2. Far more serious - that there are a lot of people who do not

>follow the directions and misue the product. From the type problems I

>have heard it became apparent that people have actually used straight

>lye instead of making a solution because they skipped the first page

>entirely - the effect was more of a hair remover than lotion.ÿ (Or

>they use far too much solution and end up with water.)ÿ

>ÿÿ I don't need/want the liability that can arise from this - quite

>frankly it scares me.

>ÿÿ So, I will be substituting these ingredients with others which do

>not require any neutralizing and reformatting the recipies/formula's.

I think you decision to stop selling these products was a wise and

responsible decision. As a business person, you do not want to expose

your company to any laibility.

Its obvious, for whatever reason, some of your customer were abusing

your products and exposing themslves and family to potential harm. I

support your decision and a resonsible vendor.

Maurice

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Maurice O. Hevey

Convergent Cosmetics, Inc.

http://www.ConvergentCosmetics.com