ATTN : Vaccines

[Guest guest]

Hey ,

I'm meeting with a pediatrician on Monday and wanted to pick your

brain on vaccinations and such so that I will have some info to

present to him if necessary.

They are planning now on inducing me on WEDNESDAY so the time has

gotten completely away from us!!!!

Thanks so much! I hope this isn't too short of notice considering the

Holiday.

AmyinPlano

[Guest guest]

Hi Amy,

Here's some of the best info I have found on proposing to

conventional pediatricians why you want to follow a delayed

vaccination schedule:

http://tinyurl.com/3xnqev

There's lots of other useful info on Dr. Sears website. Note, he

will not come out and say do not vaccinate, but he discusses the

rarity of many of the diseases for which children are commonly

vaccinated today.

Note: I've only included tiny URLs as most of them are long.

And, here's the top 3 reasons I use as to why I will no longer have

my sons vaccinated (identifying relations to thyroid disease):

1) Folks with autoimmune thyroid disease often have the genes that

predispose them to having the vaccines not even work - i.e., not

generate anti-bodies- or actually cause problems. Here's a couple

articles on the topic:

a) http://tinyurl.com/5egh9a: this is triggering of rheumatoid

arthiritis for both the DR1 and DR4 genes - I have the DR4 as does

my younger son - my older one has the DR1. The DR4 does go along

with autoimmune thyroid disease, as well - it's due to the linkage

with DQ7.

http://tinyurl.com/5gll9v: this one talks about low levels of

antibodies following measles vaccination for DRB1 of 3 (aka DR17)

and DQ2 (main celiac gene) - I looked into this after a doctor

friend mentioned that before she could do her residency, they

actually tested to see if she had the antibodies and they required

her to be re-vaccinated as she did not (despite a past

vaccination). These two genes are also in linkage and are also ones

associated with a predisposition for autoimmune thyroid disease (and

this includes Grave's as well). This is the other gene that I and

both my sons have - they have now been both diagnosed with hashi's.

2) The diseases for which most vaccinations are now given were

actually on the decline at the time the vaccinations were being

rolled out. As it is today, one of the primary motivations was the

potential for $s for big pharma. We can certainly see that nowadays

with Gardisil, which has been associated with a number of very bad

reactions - again likely due to genes, which leads to my 3rd point.

3) If you read the materials (the detailed pamplet that requires

about a 10x magnifying glass to read, you will find notes about

adverse reactions and the FACT that they occur in a small

percentage. I know that my DR4 gene is one that only 3% of the

population has and my guess is that it's folks with this genotype

that are the ones with adverse reactions. I don't even do the

tetanus as I can't find anyone that has it separate from the

Diptheria and Pertussis. Also, reading the ingredients shows that it

is derived from bovine casein and my kids are allergic to dairy. IT

also has formaldehyde and aluminum - both known neurotoxins. And, if

you think about it, in the case of just about any emergency room

visit, they will give the tetanus shot anyways, since most folks

don't carry vaccination records with them.

IMHO, the best approach might be summarizing the top 3 reasons why

the early vaccinations may not be good for your child. Personally, I

would choose the ones above, but it is important that some of it be

based on your personal experiences and familial health history. For

example, if you yourself had a bad reaction to a past vaccination or

noticed a decline in health sometime thereafter that might be a

really good reason. This is exactly what I experienced following the

HepB - I was violently ill and didn't recover my health until

recently and while the vaccination was certainly not the only

contributing factor, I believe it was akin to the straw that broke

the camel's back.

That all said, most hospitals are very, very strict about the day

one vaccinations and unless you have your MDs support (and the best

thing would be the support of the pediatrician you've chose) AND you

have it well documented AND have someone like your husband

communicate this to all staff, you may not have alot of luck. In

looking at the newborn vaccinations, I personally would strongly

object to the hepatitis B:

http://tinyurl.com/5wto8c

HepB is sexually transmitted so unless you have been very

promiscuous in the past or traveled to countries with poor

sanitation where it is more common, you are very unlikely to have

been exposed.

The number of vaccination give at 2, 4, 6, 12,15 and 18 months and

then 4-6 yrs are likely to immunologically challenge even the

healthiest child.

However, that doesn't mean you can't find a good pediatrician after

the fact and get on a delayed (or no) vaccination schedule, delaying

or skipping subsequent Hep B vaccinations. The most effective

approach for avoiding altogether is based on religious beliefs -

Texas lumps this all under conscientious objection. Here's the form,

however, it is likely too late for you to get one now, but it has

come in very handy for me recently and I've had no pushback at all

from summer camps nor a private school:

https://webds.dshs.state.tx.us/immco/affidavit.shtm

Public schools CANNOT refuse to accept the form - they might make it

difficult, but it is a parental right.

Good luck with your delivery and I pray that it will be as short as

possible and that you and your baby will be healthy afterwards!

B.

>

> Hey ,

>

> I'm meeting with a pediatrician on Monday and wanted to pick your

> brain on vaccinations and such so that I will have some info to

> present to him if necessary.

>

> They are planning now on inducing me on WEDNESDAY so the time has

> gotten completely away from us!!!!

>

> Thanks so much! I hope this isn't too short of notice considering

the

> Holiday.

>

> AmyinPlano

>

[Guest guest]

Thanks, ,

I am really nervous about meeting with this doctor as I've had issues with

explaining

myself in the past and, admittedly, I don't know much about the whole

vaccination thing.

I wish I'd not put off doing the research. As I said things got a little hectic

these past few

weeks and not a lot has gone like we expected.

I did serve overseas back in 2001-2002 and had a host of vaccinations. It

wasn't until

after I got back to the States that I was diagnosed hypo (Hashi's). I could say

that is one of

my concerns, but I was also vaccinated as a child (and had a bad reaction to the

DPT). I

personally think my Hashi's goes back a ways, but perhaps it was aggravated by

the

immunizations.

Your post was a lot to take in, but I'm going to do my best to digest it ;-).

Thank you so

much for sharing your wisdom and personal experience with me.

We'll try to remember to swing by and let y'all know how everything goes with

the delivery.

If you don't hear from us, don't worry. We'll get over here soon!

Prayers and happy thoughts are greatly appreciated. Momma's getting pretty

nervous!!!!

>

> Hi Amy,

>

> Here's some of the best info I have found on proposing to

> conventional pediatricians why you want to follow a delayed

> vaccination schedule:

> http://tinyurl.com/3xnqev

> There's lots of other useful info on Dr. Sears website. Note, he

> will not come out and say do not vaccinate, but he discusses the

> rarity of many of the diseases for which children are commonly

> vaccinated today.

>

> Note: I've only included tiny URLs as most of them are long.

>

> And, here's the top 3 reasons I use as to why I will no longer have

> my sons vaccinated (identifying relations to thyroid disease):

>

> 1) Folks with autoimmune thyroid disease often have the genes that

> predispose them to having the vaccines not even work - i.e., not

> generate anti-bodies- or actually cause problems. Here's a couple

> articles on the topic:

> a) http://tinyurl.com/5egh9a: this is triggering of rheumatoid

> arthiritis for both the DR1 and DR4 genes - I have the DR4 as does

> my younger son - my older one has the DR1. The DR4 does go along

> with autoimmune thyroid disease, as well - it's due to the linkage

> with DQ7.

>

> http://tinyurl.com/5gll9v: this one talks about low levels of

> antibodies following measles vaccination for DRB1 of 3 (aka DR17)

> and DQ2 (main celiac gene) - I looked into this after a doctor

> friend mentioned that before she could do her residency, they

> actually tested to see if she had the antibodies and they required

> her to be re-vaccinated as she did not (despite a past

> vaccination). These two genes are also in linkage and are also ones

> associated with a predisposition for autoimmune thyroid disease (and

> this includes Grave's as well). This is the other gene that I and

> both my sons have - they have now been both diagnosed with hashi's.

>

> 2) The diseases for which most vaccinations are now given were

> actually on the decline at the time the vaccinations were being

> rolled out. As it is today, one of the primary motivations was the

> potential for $s for big pharma. We can certainly see that nowadays

> with Gardisil, which has been associated with a number of very bad

> reactions - again likely due to genes, which leads to my 3rd point.

>

> 3) If you read the materials (the detailed pamplet that requires

> about a 10x magnifying glass to read, you will find notes about

> adverse reactions and the FACT that they occur in a small

> percentage. I know that my DR4 gene is one that only 3% of the

> population has and my guess is that it's folks with this genotype

> that are the ones with adverse reactions. I don't even do the

> tetanus as I can't find anyone that has it separate from the

> Diptheria and Pertussis. Also, reading the ingredients shows that it

> is derived from bovine casein and my kids are allergic to dairy. IT

> also has formaldehyde and aluminum - both known neurotoxins. And, if

> you think about it, in the case of just about any emergency room

> visit, they will give the tetanus shot anyways, since most folks

> don't carry vaccination records with them.

>

>

> That all said, most hospitals are very, very strict about the day

> one vaccinations and unless you have your MDs support (and the best

> thing would be the support of the pediatrician you've chose) AND you

> have it well documented AND have someone like your husband

> communicate this to all staff, you may not have alot of luck. In

> looking at the newborn vaccinations, I personally would strongly

> object to the hepatitis B:

> http://tinyurl.com/5wto8c

>

> HepB is sexually transmitted so unless you have been very

> promiscuous in the past or traveled to countries with poor

> sanitation where it is more common, you are very unlikely to have

> been exposed.

> The number of vaccination give at 2, 4, 6, 12,15 and 18 months and

> then 4-6 yrs are likely to immunologically challenge even the

> healthiest child.

>

> However, that doesn't mean you can't find a good pediatrician after

> the fact and get on a delayed (or no) vaccination schedule, delaying

> or skipping subsequent Hep B vaccinations. The most effective

> approach for avoiding altogether is based on religious beliefs -

> Texas lumps this all under conscientious objection. Here's the form,

> however, it is likely too late for you to get one now, but it has

> come in very handy for me recently and I've had no pushback at all

> from summer camps nor a private school:

> https://webds.dshs.state.tx.us/immco/affidavit.shtm

> B.